From TUBADON40 at aol.com  Mon Mar  1 14:48:12 2010
From: TUBADON40 at aol.com (TUBADON40 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:48:12 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 help needed.
Message-ID: <300d2.3971e232.38bd9e2c@aol.com>

I am trying to get a tired old amberola 75 working.  The main problem  I am 
facing is the crank ratchet.
The device on both my amberola 30s have a metal tab that turns out of the  
way when winding and backs into the teeth of the gears to prevent movement 
in  the other direction.  This 75 seems to be missing or never had this metal 
 piece. It has only whats left of a friction spring that would release in 
the  winding direction and grab the other way. There is nothig it would  grab 
onto however. Whatever it was hooked to is gone or did it just have  the 
end of the spring bent to interfere with the gear mesh when  undwinding.  I 
suspect that could be but when winding, it would just click  along the teeth 
of the spring barrel gear. Is that how it was made? Improved  later maybe?  
Anyway if just the spring did the whole trick I  would need one.  Please 
enlighten me. 
Thanks. 
Don

From ddazer at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar  1 15:47:00 2010
From: ddazer at sbcglobal.net (David Dazer)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:47:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 help needed.
In-Reply-To: <300d2.3971e232.38bd9e2c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <414632.30468.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It uses the same type of ratchet.? Contact George Vollema and he'll hook you right up.
Dave

--- On Mon, 3/1/10, TUBADON40 at aol.com <TUBADON40 at aol.com> wrote:


From: TUBADON40 at aol.com <TUBADON40 at aol.com>
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 help needed.
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 5:48 PM


I am trying to get a tired old amberola 75 working.? The main problem? I am 
facing is the crank ratchet.
The device on both my amberola 30s have a metal tab that turns out of the? 
way when winding and backs into the teeth of the gears to prevent movement 
in? the other direction.? This 75 seems to be missing or never had this metal 
piece. It has only whats left of a friction spring that would release in 
the? winding direction and grab the other way. There is nothig it would? grab 
onto however. Whatever it was hooked to is gone or did it just have? the 
end of the spring bent to interfere with the gear mesh when? undwinding.? I 
suspect that could be but when winding, it would just click? along the teeth 
of the spring barrel gear. Is that how it was made? Improved? later maybe?? 
Anyway if just the spring did the whole trick I? would need one.? Please 
enlighten me. 
Thanks. 
Don
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From Tubanuts at aol.com  Mon Mar  1 18:23:54 2010
From: Tubanuts at aol.com (Tubanuts at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 21:23:54 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 help needed.
Message-ID: <3d761.65aa8860.38bdd0ba@aol.com>

OK  I believe that piece must have been lost. It seems PO had removed  the 
input shaft to repair stripped threads on the crank connection and just  
ended up welding the crank to it. He must have forgotten to put that missing  
piece back therefore never got it running again.
George was going to be my next call anyway. I might as well get a crank,  
shaft, ratchet piece and spring all at once.
 
Thanks   Don

From klinger at modex.com  Thu Mar  4 17:14:31 2010
From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 20:14:31 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Conference 2010
Message-ID: <512340002B55416598BDBB1663209BC5@WEKDesktop>

The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections
(ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click
on one of the links or e-mail addresses below.


--- 2010 ANNUAL CONFERENCE ---

You are invited to join friends and colleagues for the 44th annual
conference of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections. The event will
be held May 19-22, at the Chateau Bourbon, 800 Iberville Street, New
Orleans, Louisiana. Local hosts include the Historic New Orleans Collection,
the Louisiana State Museum, and Tulane University's Hogan Jazz Archive.

The Chateau Bourbon, a historic hotel in the French Quarter, is located in
the former D. H. Holmes department store, which opened in 1849. The
pre-Civil War landmark was transformed into a unique hotel through a
complete renovation in 1995. Nearby points of interest include the National
D-Day Museum, Audubon Zoo, Preservation Hall, and the 1300-acre City Park.

A block of rooms has been reserved for ARSC conference attendees at the
special rate of $129 (plus tax), single / double (1 king / 2 queen beds),
for the nights of May 18-22. Conference rates will also be honored three
days prior (May 15-17), subject to availability. Rollaway beds may be added
for $20 per night, subject to availability.

Rooms must be reserved by Tuesday April 27, though you are strongly
encouraged to make your reservations as early as possible. All rooms are
held on a first-come, first-served basis, and it is likely that our room
block will sell out prior to this deadline. Reservations for the conference
dates can be made on ARSC's group page:
http://www.wyndham.com/groupeventsnew/msycb_recordedsound/main.wnt

If you plan to arrive early or stay late, or have any special requests,
please call 1-888-404-6875 and refer to "Association for Recorded Sound
Collections."

Register early and save! Full conference registration postmarked by April 27
is $145 for ARSC members, $170 for non-members, and $85 for students. After
that date, registration is $170 for ARSC members, $195 for non-members, and
$95 for students.

Single-day registration fees are as follows: $50 per day, members; $58 per
day, non-members; $30 per day, students. After April 27, $58 per day,
members; $65 per day, non-members; $35 per day, students.

For the complete preliminary program, registration form, and further details
about the conference:
http://www.arsc-audio.org/conference/

For further information, contact Brenda Nelson-Strauss, Conference Manager,
at bnelsons at indiana.edu or 812-855-7530. For exhibitor and sponsorship
opportunities, contact Kurt Nauck, nauck at 78rpm.com, 281-288-7826.


CONFERENCE PROGRAM
ARSC is dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in
all genres of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods.
Reflecting this broad mission, the upcoming conference offers talks and
sessions that will appeal to both collectors and professionals.

Scheduled presentations include:

-- "New Orleans Veteran Record Makers Panel" -- moderated by Ira "Dr. Ike"
Padnos
-- "Louis Armstrong and the Fleischmann Radio Recordings" -- Dan Morgenstern
-- "Fifty Years of Catching the Sounds of Southwest Louisiana" -- Chris
Strachwitz
-- "Louisiana Rocks: The True Genesis of Rock & Roll" -- Tom Aswell
-- "Bon Temps and Good News: The Influence of New Orleans on the Performance
Style of Mahalia Jackson" -- Robert M. Marovich
-- "Long Lost Blues: The Early Blues Industry in America" -- Peter C. Muir
-- "Preserving the Grateful Dead's Audio Collection and Making It
Accessible" -- David Lemieux
-- "The Record Changer 1942-1957: Jazz Collector's Haven" -- Cary Ginell
-- "The Buddy Bolden Cylinder Meltdown: Presaging the Jazz Band on Record"
-- David Sager
-- "New Orleans' First Record Label: Louis 'Bebe' Vasnier & the Louisiana
Phonograph Company, 1891" -- Tim Brooks

Don't forget the "Collectors' Roundtable" on Friday evening, May 21 where
you can share your expertise or favorite collecting stories.

The preliminary conference schedule can be viewed at:
http://www.arsc-audio.org/conference/pdf/preliminaryschedule_final.pdf


PRE-CONFERENCE WORKSHOP
The Education and Training Committee is sponsoring a pre-conference workshop
on "Disaster Planning and Recovery for Audio Materials," on Wednesday, May
19. Spaces are limited and a separate registration fee applies.
Pre-registration is required. For more information:
http://www.arsc-audio.org/conference/pdf/2010workshop.pdf


HISTORIC NEW ORLEANS COLLECTION TOURS
The HNOC is offering tours of the Louisiana History Galleries, located on
the second floor of the Merieult House, at 533 Royal Street. The docent-led
tours are offered Tuesday to Saturday at 10:00 a.m., 11:00 a.m., 2:00 p.m.,
and 3:00p.m. Identify yourself as an ARSC member to receive free admission.


SPECIAL EVENTS

LOUISIANA STATE MUSEUM RECEPTION
On Thursday evening, the Louisiana State Museum is hosting a private tour of
the historic Cabildo (site of the Louisiana Purchase Transfer ceremonies, in
1803) and the exhibit "Unsung Heroes: The Secret History of Louisiana Rock
'n' Roll." Co-sponsored by the Ponderosa Stomp, the exhibit offers a
sampling of rare and previously unseen artifacts from the golden ages of
rhythm and blues, rock 'n' roll, rockabilly, pop, and soul. The exhibit also
provides a wonderful overview of Louisiana record labels and performers.

LOUISIANA MUSIC FACTORY CD RELEASE PARTY
Following the conference sessions on Friday, there will be a special CD
release party for "Cabaret Echoes: New Orleans Jazzers at Work, 1918-1927,"
a new project co-produced by Doug Benson and David Sager and issued by Off
the Record. The CD features a collection of early New Orleans jazz bands and
oral history excerpts drawn from the collections at Tulane University's
Hogan Jazz Archives.


AWARDS BANQUET
The conference will conclude on the evening of May 22 with the annual Awards
Banquet in the hotel's Lafitte ballroom, preceded by a Happy Hour. Winners
of the 2009 and 2010 ARSC Awards will be honored. The local arrangements
committee is promising some very special after dinner entertainment. Banquet
tickets are $50 each.



The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization
dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres
of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in
bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals --
everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound.



From klinger at modex.com  Fri Mar  5 17:06:25 2010
From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 20:06:25 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Pre-Conference Workshop 2010 -- Details
Message-ID: <C6E7CFE3A83A46FDB3FE5CD8D8249E73@WEKDesktop>

The following message has been posted by the ARSC Outreach Committee. If you
have any questions, please click on the links or e-mail addresses below.

--- ARSC PRE-CONFERENCE WORKSHOP 2010 ---

The Education and Training Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound
Collections presents "A Workshop on Disaster Planning and Recovery for Audio
Materials." The workshop will be held on Wednesday, May 19, 9:00 a.m. - 5:00
p.m., at the Chateau Bourbon Hotel, 800 Iberville Street, New Orleans,
Louisiana.

Disasters can have a major impact on all our audio collections, and it's
important for everyone working in an archive, library, or special collection
to know what to do after a disaster occurs. This year's workshop will focus
specifically on disaster planning and recovery of audio materials.

This workshop is for archivists, librarians, audio engineers, and others who
work with sound recordings. Participants will gain specific information
about what precautions to take before a disaster event, whom to call for
help, how to keep track of holdings after disaster strikes, and what actions
can be taken to minimize damage and stabilize collections.

The workshop features the following sessions:

-- "Disaster Recovery after Hurricane Katrina"
-- "Vendors and Barcodes: Keeping Track of Your Collection"
-- "Administrators vs. Archivists: A Mock Debate on Funding for Disaster
Preparedness and Recovery"
-- "Hands-on for Disaster Recovery -- What To Do After the Disaster!"

The workshop registration fee is not included in the conference registration
fee. Early workshop registration (postmarked by April 27) is $75 for ARSC
members, $85 for non-members, and $40 for students. After that date,
registration is $85 for ARSC members, $100 for non-members, and $45 for
students. Detailed information about the workshop can be found at:
http://www.arsc-audio.org/conference/pdf/2010workshop.pdf

Space is limited and will be filled on a first-come, first-served basis.

Please direct all workshop-related questions to the Education and Training
Committee Co-Chairs:
Karen Fishman: kfishman at loc.gov, (202) 707-5856
Aaron Bittel: ambittel at arts.ucla.edu, (310) 825-1695


The 2010 ARSC Conference, May 19-22, offers a number of learning
opportunities. Please see the preliminary program details at:
http://www.arsc-audio.org/conference/pdf/preliminaryschedule_final.pdf



The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization
dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres
of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in
bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals --
everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound.



From vinyl.visions at live.com  Sat Mar  6 05:48:52 2010
From: vinyl.visions at live.com (Curt Angstman)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 08:48:52 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Carolina Antique Music & Phonograph Show
In-Reply-To: <C6E7CFE3A83A46FDB3FE5CD8D8249E73@WEKDesktop>
References: <C6E7CFE3A83A46FDB3FE5CD8D8249E73@WEKDesktop>
Message-ID: <BLU132-W269ACF8F8FFBA435B9EC219E370@phx.gbl>


Just a reminder, in case you want to attend: 

 

Carolina Antique Music & Phonograph Society is sponsoring a show/sale in Mooresville, NC

next Saturday - March 13th from 9:00 AM to 3 PM at Memory Lane Auto Museum in

Mooresville, NC. Admission to the show is free, unless you would like a sale table. 

 

Food will be provided by the Statesville NC Shriners with proceeds going to their burn center.

 

Details are on our website:

www.carolinaphonosociety.com 

 


 
 		 	   		  
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From john9ten at pacbell.net  Sat Mar  6 06:24:05 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 06:24:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Carolina Antique Music & Phonograph Show
In-Reply-To: <BLU132-W269ACF8F8FFBA435B9EC219E370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <846765.27611.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wish I could go! Good luck with the show, and my best to the Shriners. As a Mason myself, I know their burn centers and Shriner's Hospitals do amazing work.
John Robles

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From: Curt Angstman <vinyl.visions at live.com>
Subject: [Phono-L] Carolina Antique Music & Phonograph Show
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 5:48 AM


Just a reminder, in case you want to attend: 

 

Carolina Antique Music & Phonograph Society is sponsoring a show/sale in Mooresville, NC

next Saturday - March 13th from 9:00 AM to 3 PM at Memory Lane Auto Museum in

Mooresville, NC. Admission to the show is free, unless you would like a sale table. 

 

Food will be provided by the Statesville NC Shriners with proceeds going to their burn center.

 

Details are on our website:

www.carolinaphonosociety.com 

 


 
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From msprinzen at juno.com  Sat Mar  6 17:28:41 2010
From: msprinzen at juno.com (Merle Sprinzen)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 20:28:41 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] List of 78 records for sale
Message-ID: <20100306.202951.4232.11.msprinzen@juno.com>

Everyone --

Pasted below is a list of records being offered for sale by Mark Baumann
(email address in the cc: line of this email).  Please contact him
directly if there's anything here you'd like.  


78rpm 10" single side


artistsong
Busy Bee


. Invicble quartettemy old kentucky home
VictorEvan Williamsa dream
VictorJohn McCormacksilver threads among the gold
victorHarry Lauderinverany
VictrolaAlma Gluck-Paul Reimerssilent night, holy night
VictorCharles D'almainespring song
VictorFritz Kreislerandantino
VictrolaJohn McCormackthree o;clock in the morning
VictorArthur Pryor's Bandthe forge in the forest
VictorBryan C Harlanmeet me sweet kathleen
VictorSousa's Bandmoonlight
ColumbiaHenry Burrover yonder where the 

VictorErstine Schumanno come all you faithful
VictorAlma Gluck I'm goin' back to dixie
VictrolaMischa Elmansouvenir
Victor RecordJosefh Hoffmanlecygne (the swan)





78rpm 10" double side

Columbiademostration recorddemostration





Columbia goldLewis Jamesmaytime


land of my sunset dreams
Columbia  bluePaulist Choristorsagnus dei


salve regina
Columbia  bluePaulist Choristorsalleluia maec dies


veni jesu
Columbia  greenStolbergim grune wald ist holzauktion


trinnas 





..?
Columbia  blackPrince's Orchestrabelle of brittany

Columbia Quaretteby the light of the silvery moon
Columbia  blackCharles Adamssans souci bucalossi

Princes Orchestrathe dolman pricess
Columbia  blackMarshall Lufskydreamy moments


birdies favorite
Columbia  blackGeorge Alexanderanchored

Mrs A Stewart Holtthe homeland
Columbia  greenLouis Bauer QuartetteSchnitzelbank teil1


Schnitzelbank teil2
Columbia  redBuddy Clarkdon't you love anymore


the little old mill
Columbia  blueGuido Derioava maria


il trovatore
Columbia  blueAmos 'N' Andythe lords prayer

The Jeff Alexander Choirlitle bitty baby
Columbia  redPercy Faith and his Orchestradelicado


festival
Columbia  blackGeorge Roseymotor march

Ethelbert Nevinthe rosary
Columbia  blackAndrealpine violets


on the high alps
Columbia  blueHerbert Stuart and Billy BurtonThere's a long, long trail

Henry Burrthere's a little lane turning on 
.
Columbia  blackArthur Pryors Bandalexanders rag time band

Ada Jones and 
.it's nice to be nice
Columbia  blueJohn Kimmelmedly jigs


medly hornpipe
Columbia  blueHenry Burrover yonder where the lillies grow

Hough Donovanthe rose of no mans land
Columbia   redThe Marinersrusty old halo


chee chee-  oo chee
Columbia  bannerFlorencio Constantinocavalleria rusticana


cavalleria rusticana
DeccaInk SpotsI cover the waterfront


prisoner of love
DeccaBing Crosbydoes your heeart beat for me


among my souvineers
DeccaMills Brothersyou broke the only heart that ever loved you


I'm afraid to love you
DeccaInk SpotsI was dancing with someone


sometime
DeccaGordon Jenkins and His Orchestradark eyes


maybe you'll be there
DeccaGuy Lombardogive me the moon over brooklyn


seems like old times
Decca Russ Morgantavern song


spaghetti rag
MajesticEddy Hioward and His Orchestramidnight masquarde


my adobe hacienda
LondonMantovani and His Orchestrawhite christmas


adeste fideles
BrunswickRoyal Hawaiianshonolulu sweetheart


in sunny hawaii
Victrola   redAlma Gluck   Paul Reimersder tanneum baum


silent night, holy night
Victor recordFisk University Jubilee Quartetswing low, sweet chariot


golden slippers
VictorAmerican Quartetwhat do you do Sunday, Mary

Bill Murray  Ed Smalleoh, how she lied to me
VictorSterling Triowhen eill the sun shine for me?


carolina mammy
VictorAlbert Muilercarnival of venice

Guido Gialdinijoys of spring- intermezzo
VictorNeapoliton Triohappy days


the herd girls dream
VictorVictor concert orchestracauallenia rusticana- intermezzo


tales of hofiman
VictorBill Murray  Ed Smallethat old gang of mine


hi lee hi lo
VictorNeapoliton Triowoodland echoes


evening chimes
VictorWilliam Reitzcupid's garden


evening chimes
VictorEmil Meunchdie wacht am rhein


lorelei volksleid
VictorOlive Kline  Elsie Bakerwhispering hope


abide with me
VictorArthur Pryors Bandthe whistler and his dog


the warbler's serenade
VictorFrida Bennechetreue liebe (true love)


freut euch des lebens
VictorGeorgie Pricebring back those rock-a-bye baby days


my best girl
VictorTrinity Male Choirchristans, awake, salute the happy man


watchman, tell us of the nightVictor
VictorRalph BinghamMrs. Rastus Johnson at the wedding


goldstein behind the bars
VictorVictor Robertsoh! how I laugh when I think about you


my sahara rose
VictorHernry Burrwhen the corn is waving, Anne dear


I'll take you home again, Kathleen
VictorCal Stewartuncle josh at a camp meeting


uncle josh playing golf
National Music LoversNew Yorkauld lang syne


kathleen mavourneen
National Music LoversNew Yorkold black joe


lullaby from "primine"
National Music LoversNew Yorkcomin thru the rye


last rose of summer
National Music LoversNew Yorkmy old kentucky home


nearer my god to thee
MGMFrank Petty Triolet it snow, let it snow, let it snow


italian christmas bells
MGMBilly Eckstinewhat are you doing new years eve?


christmas eve
MGMThe Elliot Brothersin the mood


12th street rag
MGMArt LundI'll always be in love with you


what'll I do
CapitolJack Smithdon't you love me anymore


civilization
OkehSam Ashout where the blue begins


faded love letters
UniversalHarmonicatsI love you


my gal sal
MercuryHarmonicatsevery little movement


that girl
DeccaFour Acesa garden in the rain


tell me why
DeccaTed WheemsI wonder whos kissing her now


that old gang of mine
MGMArt Mooneyencore, cherie


baby face
MGMArt Mooneythe big brass band from brazil


I'm looking over a four leaf clover
MercuryGeorgia Gibbsgoobbye to rome


24 hours a day
Mercury Richard hayesmoonlight


lonely
DeccaGuy Lomabrdothe cocanut song


take care
CapitolLes Paul and Mary Fordvaya con dios


johnny
DeccaLouis Armstronga kiss to build a dream on


I get ideas
Decca Guy LombardoI'm my own grandpa


frankie and johnny
DeccaRuss Morganhold me, hold me, hold me


It's all over now
DeccaAndrews Sisterstoolioe, oolie, doolie


I hate to loose you
CapitolLes Paul and Mary Fordtake me in your arms and hold me


meet mister callaghan
MusicraftMaurice RoccoSt Louis blues


begin the beguine
ColumbiaRosemary Clooneypoor whip-poor-will


half as much
MajarDenise Lorif I gaive my heart to you


hello darling
CloumbiaTony Bennethere comes the heartache again


rags to riches
DeccaGuy Lombardogrieg piano concerto in A mnor


concerto
DeccaMills Brothersyou always hurt the one you love


till then
DeccaAndrews SistersI don't know (I just do)


azusa
DeccaMills Brothersacross the alley from the alamo


dream, dream, dream
DeccaMills Brothersyou're not worth my tears


high and dry
DeccaInk Spotswhispering grass


if I don't care
ColumbiaThe Charioteerschi-baba chi-baba


say no more
CapitolJohnny Mercer and the Pied Piperswhy should I cry over you


sugar blues
DeccaInk Spots and Ella Fitzgeraldthat's the way it is


cow cow boogie
MGMArt Lundsleppy time gal


mam' selle
MercuryRalph Marteriewhile we dream


caravan
RCA VictorTommy Dorsey ans his Orchestrathere you go- fox trot


boogie woogie- fox trot
VictorBlue Steele and his Orchestrayour'e so different- waltz


coconado- fox trot
RCA VictorPerry Comewhen you're were sweet sixteren


chi-baba chi-baba
VictorThe High Hattersthe web of love- fox trot


I'm in love with you- fox trot
VictorJohnny Johnson and 
.my one and only- fox trot


thou swell- fox trot
RCA VictorGlenn Miller and his Orchestrain the mood


sunrise senerade
VictorBoyd Senter and 
.beale street blues- fox trot


copenhgen- fox trot
VictorPale K Laura- David Kailiwailana waltz

Irene West Royal Hawaiianshilo-hawaiian march
RCA VictorEddy ArnoldI'll hold you in my heart


don't bother to cry
VictorTed Weems and 
.oh, if only I had you

Seattle Harmony Kingshow many times
RCA VictorTommy Dorsey and his OrchestraMarie- fox trot


Who- fox trot
RCA VictorSmmy KayeI hate to loose you


they're mine, they're mine, they're mine
RCA VictorTommy DorseyHawaiin war chant- fox trot


midnight on the trail- fox trot
VictorNebe Quartetteehre sei gott in der hohe!


stille nacht heilige nacht
VictorBlue and White Marimba Bandmarinba march


columbia waltz
VictorHenry Burrwhen the harvest moon is shining


mother's hands
VictorMcKee Triothe miracle of love


gavotte
VictorLewis JamesI'll see you in my dreams

Franklyn Baurbecause they all love you
RCA VictorEddie Fisherjust a little lovin'


I?m yours
RCA VictorSammy Kayean apple blossom wedding


the echo said "no"

78 rpm boxed sets

Horace HeidtRalph Sigwald(3) songs from the heart




Horace HeidtDick Contino(4) a phillip morris star




DeccaJean Sablon(4) souvenir album




DeccaBing Crosby(5) favorite hawaiian songs





78 rpm 12" single side

VictrolaJohn McCormack- Frtitz Kreislerava maria
Victor RecordArthur Pryor's BandHungarian rhapsody no. 2
Victor RecordMischa Elmanserenade
VictrolaIgmace Jan Psderewskinocturne in f minor
Victor RecordBanda De Policasemiramis obertura
Victor RecordCaruso (and three more artists)rigoletto
Victor RecordGrisi




..trovature
Victor RecordD'almaine and Lyonsdream of the mountains
Victor Record Miss Florence Haywardthe angel's serenade
Victor RecordVictor Dance Orchestrapaquita waltzes
Victor RecordMiss Edith Helenacaro nome
VictrolaErnestine Schumann Heinkstille nacht-heilige nacht
VictrolaPhilidelphia Symphonysamson et dalilia
Victor RecordVictor Dance Orchestrain the dreamy hudson waters
Victor RecordVictor Light Opera Companythe arcadians
Victor RecordRattay and Lyonswhen life is brightest
Victor RecordJosef Hollmanserenade
Victor RecordFredrick Freemantelthen you'll remember me
VictrolaJohn McCormackkathleen mavourneen
Victor RecordLyons and Christespring greetings
Victor RecordVictor Sorlinmadame butterfly
Victor RecordCharles D'Almainebrindisi
Victor RecordMay Irwinmoses andrew jackson 




Victor RecordGerald Farrarannie laurie
Victor RecordVictor Dance Orchestrathe call to arms
Victor RecordJohn Lemmoneby the brook- idyl
Victor RecordEmma Calvepearl of  brazil
Victor RecordMelbagood bye (tosti)
VictrolaPhilidelphia Symphonysamson et dalilia
Victor RecordMelba & Gilbertun angle est venu
Victor RecordSeinbrich (and 5 other artists)lucia sextette
Victor RecordVictor Orchestrawoodland songsters





78 rpm 12" double side

VictorVictor light Operagems from the student prince


gems from the love song
VictorTrinity Choirchristmas hymns and carols #1


christmas hymns and carols #2
Victor RecordArthur Pryor's Banddance of the serpents


daughter of the regiment
RCA VictorLeopold Stkowski and OrchestraHungarian rhapsody #2


Hungarian rhapsody #2
VictorJohn Charles Thomasall the things you are 


the song is you
Victor RecordVictor Dance Orchestrala balnch waltzes

Darius Lyonsle fleurance
VictorFaustscena della prigione

Babda Itiliana Vesselafavorite gran fantasia
VictorVictor Symphony Orchestranew years eve in new york


new years eve in new york, part 2
Victor RecordArthur Pryors Bandthe spinning wheel

Sousa's Bandpearl fishers selection
ColumbiaE. Heroldoverture "zampa"

Menzelsweet longing romance
ColumbiaPrince's Military Bandselections from tannauser


selections from tannauser part 2
ColumbiaStanley Burrcrucifix

George Alexanderthe holy city
ColumbiaColumbia Quaretteold black joe

Fredrick Weldhome sweet home
ColumbiaBanda Espanolarigolette

Prince's Military Bandsextette from "lucia"
ColumbiaAlessandro Buncil'africana


carmen
ColumbiaGiuseppe Camparanicazone del tureador


eri tu
ColumbiaMetropolitian Opera Housetraviata selections


traviata selections part 2
ColumbiaRuth Vincentcomin' thru the rye

David Damroschdanny deever
ColumbiaEarl Fuller's Orchestracastle valse classique


one fleeting hour
ColumbiaFrank O Frenchjust for tonight

Albert Campbellwhen daddy sings the little ones to sleep
ColumbiaPrince's Military BandRoyal italian march


to poet and pleasant
ColumbiaMetropolitian Opera Housela boheme selections


la boheme selections part 2
ColumbiaPrincesan antonio medley


valese caressante
Columbia Rambler Minstrelsclimb up ye children

Collins and Harlandown where the big banannas grow
ColumbiaCollins and Harlanin a chimney corner 

Henry BurrI'll sing the song of arary
ColumbiaPrince's Bandmoning, noon, and night


selections from "martha"
ColumbiaPrince's Orchestradearie medley waltz


silver heels two step




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From jimcip at earthlink.net  Sun Mar  7 11:46:46 2010
From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:46:46 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
Message-ID: <380-22010307194646250@earthlink.net>

I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs.   I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the "typical" Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an
Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup.    I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked at Hondas (all of which have
too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider unattractive) & Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision.   Thanks!
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances, Inc.


jimcip at earthlink.net

From hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com  Sun Mar  7 12:22:34 2010
From: hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com (Hawthorn's Antique Audio)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 12:22:34 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] Commercial: new record auction list now available -
	finally!
Message-ID: <D143A64049724C4BBFEEFD3A59887603@Tom>

Hi Everyone,

Hawthorn's Antique Audio is still in business!  We had to take several months off to move to a new home, but we are up and running again with another great record list - Auction 129 - "New Beginnings."  In it, you will find:

*Five inch concert cylinders
*Brown wax cylinders
*Early 7" discs
*14" Pathe discs
*Another Pathe Pfestival
*Personality and pop vocal selections
*College songs
*Christmas songs
*Books and sheet music
*Record catalogs and supplements
*Jazz - all kinds!
*A large Fats Waller collection
*Classical vocal gems
*Early concert band recordings
*Edison Diamond Discs
*A Treasure Hunt
*Previews of coming attractions
*and much, much more.....

Both printed and electronic copies are being sent out over the weekend.  If you're on our mailing list, look for a copy to arrive in your mailbox or inbox very soon.  If you're not on our mailing list and would like a complimentary copy, just send us an email request (off list please - use the email address below), and we'll send you one right away.  Be sure to let us know if you want the printed copy or the PDF file.  More information is on our website at www.thoseoldrecords.com.  Don't miss out on all the goodies!

Thanks,

Tom Hawthorn
Hawthorn's Antique Audio
www.thoseoldrecords.com
hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com

From lherault at bu.edu  Sun Mar  7 12:20:25 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:20:25 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <380-22010307194646250@earthlink.net>
References: <380-22010307194646250@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <002e01cabe33$9fc38180$df4a8480$@edu>

Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright
Victrola.   It fills all my other criteria.    What about the Kia Soul? and
doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback?

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM
To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice of
Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique
phonographs.   I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the "typical"
Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well
the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an
Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup.
I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked at Hondas
(all of which have
too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider unattractive) &
Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate the
above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might
be nice to get your input before making a final decision.   Thanks!
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances, Inc.


jimcip at earthlink.net
_______________________________________________
Phono-L mailing list
http://phono-l.oldcrank.org


From ddazer at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar  7 13:57:45 2010
From: ddazer at sbcglobal.net (David Dazer)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:57:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <002e01cabe33$9fc38180$df4a8480$@edu>
Message-ID: <336240.94332.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Have you looked at any American made cars? 
Dave

edu> wrote:


From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:20 PM


Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright
Victrola.???It fills all my other criteria.? ? What about the Kia Soul? and
doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback?

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM
To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice of
Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique
phonographs.???I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the "typical"
Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well
the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an
Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup.
I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked at Hondas
(all of which have
too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider unattractive) &
Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate the
above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might
be nice to get your input before making a final decision.???Thanks!
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances, Inc.


jimcip at earthlink.net
_______________________________________________
Phono-L mailing list
http://phono-l.oldcrank.org

_______________________________________________
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http://phono-l.oldcrank.org

From lherault at bu.edu  Sun Mar  7 14:06:34 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:06:34 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <336240.94332.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <002e01cabe33$9fc38180$df4a8480$@edu>
	<336240.94332.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003501cabe42$73ba0410$5b2e0c30$@edu>

I'm rather short, at 5".25" and rarely find an American vehicle that I can
get a comfortable driving position in and still both reach the pedals and
see over the hood while not being too close to the wheel. They are usually
softer sprung and don't get the mileage I'm used to getting.  For the first
10 years or so of my driving life, I drove nothing but Triumphs (I still own
a TR-6) and like the feel off the road, responsive steering and quick
cornering the Japanese cars deliver.  I still drive a stick so even these
small cars (my current daily driver is a 1999 Kia Sephia 5 speed with 130K
on it) are pretty peppy.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of David Dazer
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:58 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

Have you looked at any American made cars? 
Dave

edu> wrote:


From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:20 PM


Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright
Victrola.???It fills all my other criteria.? ? What about the Kia Soul? and
doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback?

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM
To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice of
Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique
phonographs.???I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the "typical"
Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well
the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an
Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup.
I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked at Hondas
(all of which have
too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider unattractive) &
Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate the
above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might
be nice to get your input before making a final decision.???Thanks!
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances, Inc.


jimcip at earthlink.net
_______________________________________________
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http://phono-l.oldcrank.org

_______________________________________________
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_______________________________________________
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http://phono-l.oldcrank.org


From pjfraser at mac.com  Sun Mar  7 14:12:47 2010
From: pjfraser at mac.com (Peter Fraser)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:12:47 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <380-22010307194646250@earthlink.net>
References: <380-22010307194646250@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AA1DD72E-A69E-4D0D-9862-BDBA15CEEC2E@mac.com>

Subaru Forester is my hearty recommendation. Mileage in the high 20s,  
carlike ride, and extremely durable. Hauls phonos like nobody's  
business.

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
pjfraser at mac.com

On Mar 7, 2010, at 11:46 AM, "jimcip at earthlink.net" <jimcip at earthlink.net 
 > wrote:

> I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the  
> advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to  
> haul antique phonographs.   I'd like to have cargo capacity to  
> transport the "typical" Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond  
> Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I  
> need to haul an
> Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC  
> pickup.    I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle &  
> have looked at Hondas (all of which have
> too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider  
> unattractive) & Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which  
> will accommodate the above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards  
> the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before  
> making a final decision.   Thanks!
> Jim Cartwright
> Immortal Performances, Inc.
>
>
> jimcip at earthlink.net
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org

From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  7 14:35:31 2010
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 14:35:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <AA1DD72E-A69E-4D0D-9862-BDBA15CEEC2E@mac.com>
References: <380-22010307194646250@earthlink.net>
	<AA1DD72E-A69E-4D0D-9862-BDBA15CEEC2E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <779682.90583.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Peter,
I had that same dilemma a couple of years ago.When my Ford Taurus wagon died, I was looking for either another wagon, a minivan or a small SUV. I ended up getting a 3006 SuzukiForenza wagon. It may be small, but I can haul a VVVXI, or a VV Credenza, or an Edison C-250. It gets great mileage, 30mpg in town and 37mpg on the highway. It rides very smooth and has a big car feel.
Harvey Kravitz





________________________________
From: Peter Fraser <pjfraser at mac.com>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 2:12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

Subaru Forester is my hearty recommendation. Mileage in the high 20s, carlike ride, and extremely durable. Hauls phonos like nobody's business.

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
pjfraser at mac.com

On Mar 7, 2010, at 11:46 AM, "jimcip at earthlink.net" <jimcip at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice of Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique phonographs.   I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the "typical" Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an
> Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup.    I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked at Hondas (all of which have
> too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider unattractive) & Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate the above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice to get your input before making a final decision.   Thanks!
> Jim Cartwright
> Immortal Performances, Inc.
> 
> 
> jimcip at earthlink.net
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
_______________________________________________
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http://phono-l.oldcrank.org



      

From gpaul2000 at aol.com  Sun Mar  7 14:33:03 2010
From: gpaul2000 at aol.com (gpaul2000 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:33:03 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <380-22010307194646250@earthlink.net>
References: <380-22010307194646250@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CC8C5D488293EE-45A4-1DB92@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com>


 Jim,

This is only my personal experience - - which may be counter to everyone else's.

We had a 2002 Toyota Rav 4 which we liked very much until last summer when the transmission self-destructed at 120,000 miles.  (I'm a stickler for maintenance - - our other vehicle is a Chevy Astro van with 244,000 miles on it and continues to deliver daily dependability.)  Our Rav 4 received regular maintenance including tranny flushes every 30,000 miles, and I had the service records.  But it turned out that Toyota was having "software problems" and the computer was sending bad signals to the transmission which caused it to shift at inappropriate times and resulted in its destruction.  The Toyota dealer who evaluated the problem said that they've been seeing this problem a lot in Rav 4s, and had received several "Dealer Alerts" from Toyota on the subject.  The guy knew what the problem was on the phone even before I brought in the vehicle!  Bottom line: despite this being a manufacturer's defect, Toyota did not stand behind the product since it was off warranty.  The only option they offered us was to replace the entire transmission for $4500.00.  We dumped the Rav 4 that week and bought a new Subaru Forester (which has loads of cargo capacity).  So far so good with the Forester - - it's superb in the snow and gets 29-30 mpg on the highway.

Anyhow, although we've had 2 Toyotas in the past, I don't see us ever buying another simply because of the dependability issue we (and reportedly many others) experienced.  Had the company stood behind the problem, I'd feel differently.

As long as you're driving a 1969 GMC pickup, it's suggestive that you're not wed to driving a new vehicle.  I'd recommend finding a good used Chevy Astro van (they're no longer being manufactured).  The 4.3 V-6 is a fabulous motor, and the transmissions are virtually bulletproof (ours is the original).  More than adequate cargo room, and all dry, cozy, and heated/air conditioned.  I've owned two since 1988 and loved them both.  When my present one dies, I'll follow my own advice and look for another one.

 
Whatever you decide, good luck!

George P.


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: jimcip at earthlink.net <jimcip at earthlink.net>
To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 2:46 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?


I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice of 
Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique 
phonographs.   I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the "typical" 
Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well the 
Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an
Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup.    I 
want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked at Hondas (all 
of which have
too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider unattractive) & 
Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate the above 
mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might be nice 
to get your input before making a final decision.   Thanks!
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances, Inc.


jimcip at earthlink.net
_______________________________________________
Phono-L mailing list
http://phono-l.oldcrank.org

 

From filerphono at bellsouth.net  Sun Mar  7 15:09:48 2010
From: filerphono at bellsouth.net (Joe Filer)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 15:09:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <002e01cabe33$9fc38180$df4a8480$@edu>
Message-ID: <266649.85177.qm@web180712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Do your Grandchildren a favor and Buy American. There are plenty of domestic vehicles to suit your needs,
Regards, Joe Filer
--- On Sun, 3/7/10, Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu> wrote:

From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:20 PM

Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright
Victrola.???It fills all my other criteria.? ? What about the Kia Soul? and
doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback?

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM
To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice of
Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique
phonographs.???I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the "typical"
Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well
the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an
Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup.
I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked at Hondas
(all of which have
too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider unattractive) &
Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate the
above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might
be nice to get your input before making a final decision.???Thanks!
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances, Inc.


jimcip at earthlink.net
_______________________________________________
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http://phono-l.oldcrank.org

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From edisone1 at verizon.net  Sun Mar  7 16:00:35 2010
From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:00:35 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
References: <266649.85177.qm@web180712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F9366FFD8C2E4ED9B7B7F9E4EBC5D729@moms>

 I bought a  '99 Dodge Caravan ... then checked the VIN ... Made in Windsor, 
Ontario.  O Canada !


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Filer" <filerphono at bellsouth.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?


Do your Grandchildren a favor and Buy American. There are plenty of domestic 
vehicles to suit your needs,


From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Sun Mar  7 16:29:00 2010
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:29:00 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <266649.85177.qm@web180712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <266649.85177.qm@web180712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B9444CC.9050800@octoxol.com>

That implies a Ford...

Joe Filer wrote:
> Do your Grandchildren a favor and Buy American. There are plenty of domestic vehicles to suit your needs,
> Regards, Joe Filer
> --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu> wrote:
> 
> From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:20 PM
> 
> Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright
> Victrola.   It fills all my other criteria.    What about the Kia Soul? and
> doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback?
> 
> Ron L
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
> Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM
> To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> 
> I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice of
> Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique
> phonographs.   I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the "typical"
> Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well
> the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an
> Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup.
> I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked at Hondas
> (all of which have
> too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider unattractive) &
> Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate the
> above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might
> be nice to get your input before making a final decision.   Thanks!
> Jim Cartwright
> Immortal Performances, Inc.
> 
> 
> jimcip at earthlink.net
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> _______________________________________________
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> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> 
> 

From john9ten at pacbell.net  Sun Mar  7 16:43:17 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten at pacbell.net)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 00:43:17 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
Message-ID: <948476521-1268008928-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2070404821-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I higly recommend the Suzuki XL7. Split back seats, lotsa features, I can fit a victrola xvi easily, comfortable..I love mine!
John Robles
------Original Message------
From: Ron L'Herault
Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
Sent: Mar 7, 2010 12:20 PM

Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright
Victrola.   It fills all my other criteria.    What about the Kia Soul? and
doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback?

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM
To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice of
Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique
phonographs.   I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the "typical"
Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well
the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an
Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup.
I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked at Hondas
(all of which have
too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider unattractive) &
Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate the
above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might
be nice to get your input before making a final decision.   Thanks!
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances, Inc.


jimcip at earthlink.net
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From filerphono at bellsouth.net  Sun Mar  7 17:27:37 2010
From: filerphono at bellsouth.net (Joe Filer)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:27:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <4B9444CC.9050800@octoxol.com>
Message-ID: <439736.38734.qm@web180706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Actually it implies that any, and all profits get distributed to the the Americans that work hard, pay taxes, and support this great land. When you buy Japanese, Korean, German, etc, you help to support their schools, their government,and their economy. I'm not going to go one-on-one comparing vehicles, i.e. gas mileage, MSRP, storage space, re-sale value, etc. Take a look at our economy and you decide what's best; the future of your country, or your desire to get the best deal for YOU.

--- On Sun, 3/7/10, Rich <rich-mail at octoxol.com> wrote:

From: Rich <rich-mail at octoxol.com>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 7:29 PM

That implies a Ford...

Joe Filer wrote:
> Do your Grandchildren a favor and Buy American. There are plenty of domestic vehicles to suit your needs,
> Regards, Joe Filer
> --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu> wrote:
> 
> From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:20 PM
> 
> Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright
> Victrola.???It fills all my other criteria.? ? What about the Kia Soul? and
> doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback?
> 
> Ron L
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
> Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM
> To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> 
> I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice of
> Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique
> phonographs.???I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the "typical"
> Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well
> the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an
> Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup.
> I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked at Hondas
> (all of which have
> too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider unattractive) &
> Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate the
> above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might
> be nice to get your input before making a final decision.???Thanks!
> Jim Cartwright
> Immortal Performances, Inc.
> 
> 
> jimcip at earthlink.net
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> _______________________________________________
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From john9ten at pacbell.net  Sun Mar  7 17:42:34 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:42:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <439736.38734.qm@web180706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <248457.94795.qm@web80703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The American factory worker working for a foreign automaker with an American plant gets paid a good American labor wage, benefits package, local tax revenues are collected, state and Federal revenues are collected..business taxes, licensing taxes...I'd say we get a pretty fair shake out of it. Plus why should I buy a crappy American car that I am pouring money into? My last two American cars were Oldsmobile and Chevy, buth of which had problems. The Chevy was never able to be satisfactorily fixed so I bought the Olds. The dashboard skin on the Olds separated from the substrate and wrinkled up. Ugly. The dealership wouldn't do anything, and I wrote to GM corporaion several times and finally they said (literally) my warranty wouldn't cover a new dash and that if I wrote them about it again, they would not respond. The dealership told me they had seen this problem before on other Olds Aleros. And they said the same thing, GM refused to fix the problem.
 These were NEW cars. That's why I won't buy American again, i can't trust them. Chet me once, shame on me. Cheat me twice, shame on you. Oh and then there was the new Ford whose tranny went out at 60,000 miles. Bad juju. And I promise no more car ranting from me! Sorry guys!!
John

--- On Sun, 3/7/10, Joe Filer <filerphono at bellsouth.net> wrote:

From: Joe Filer <filerphono at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 5:27 PM

Actually it implies that any, and all profits get distributed to the the Americans that work hard, pay taxes, and support this great land. When you buy Japanese, Korean, German, etc, you help to support their schools, their government,and their economy. I'm not going to go one-on-one comparing vehicles, i.e. gas mileage, MSRP, storage space, re-sale value, etc. Take a look at our economy and you decide what's best; the future of your country, or your desire to get the best deal for YOU.

--- On Sun, 3/7/10, Rich <rich-mail at octoxol.com> wrote:

From: Rich <rich-mail at octoxol.com>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 7:29 PM

That implies a Ford...

Joe Filer wrote:
> Do your Grandchildren a favor and Buy American. There are plenty of domestic vehicles to suit your needs,
> Regards, Joe Filer
> --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu> wrote:
> 
> From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:20 PM
> 
> Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright
> Victrola.???It fills all my other criteria.? ? What about the Kia Soul? and
> doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback?
> 
> Ron L
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
> Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM
> To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> 
> I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice of
> Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique
> phonographs.???I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the "typical"
> Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well
> the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an
> Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup.
> I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked at Hondas
> (all of which have
> too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider unattractive) &
> Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate the
> above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might
> be nice to get your input before making a final decision.???Thanks!
> Jim Cartwright
> Immortal Performances, Inc.
> 
> 
> jimcip at earthlink.net
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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> 
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From pjfraser at mac.com  Sun Mar  7 17:58:37 2010
From: pjfraser at mac.com (Peter Fraser)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:58:37 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <439736.38734.qm@web180706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <439736.38734.qm@web180706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <463AD018-4DAF-4F35-867C-910D0F2C539B@mac.com>

This would also include boycotting Walmart, killer of the independent  
American small business, pervasive employee abuser, and 10th-largest  
trading partner of China (including nations).

Buy American only goes so far, and in the above case, it's likely too  
late - walmart has obliterated the mom and pop shops pretty much  
everywhere.



-- Peter
pjfraser at mac.com

On Mar 7, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Joe Filer <filerphono at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Actually it implies that any, and all profits get distributed to the  
> the Americans that work hard, pay taxes, and support this great  
> land. When you buy Japanese, Korean, German, etc, you help to  
> support their schools, their government,and their economy. I'm not  
> going to go one-on-one comparing vehicles, i.e. gas mileage, MSRP,  
> storage space, re-sale value, etc. Take a look at our economy and  
> you decide what's best; the future of your country, or your desire  
> to get the best deal for YOU.
>
> --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Rich <rich-mail at octoxol.com> wrote:
>
> From: Rich <rich-mail at octoxol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 7:29 PM
>
> That implies a Ford...
>
> Joe Filer wrote:
>> Do your Grandchildren a favor and Buy American. There are plenty of  
>> domestic vehicles to suit your needs,
>> Regards, Joe Filer
>> --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>> To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>> Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 3:20 PM
>>
>> Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common  
>> upright
>> Victrola.   It fills all my other criteria.    What about the Kia  
>> Soul? and
>> doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback?
>>
>> Ron L
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l- 
>> bounces at oldcrank.org] On
>> Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net
>> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM
>> To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
>> Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>>
>> I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the  
>> advice of
>> Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique
>> phonographs.   I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the  
>> "typical"
>> Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph  
>> (C-250) as well
>> the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an
>> Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC  
>> pickup.
>> I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked  
>> at Hondas
>> (all of which have
>> too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider  
>> unattractive) &
>> Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate  
>> the
>> above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought  
>> it might
>> be nice to get your input before making a final decision.   Thanks!
>> Jim Cartwright
>> Immortal Performances, Inc.
>>
>>
>> jimcip at earthlink.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
>>
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> _______________________________________________
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> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org

From lherault at bu.edu  Sun Mar  7 17:35:45 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:35:45 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <948476521-1268008928-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2070404821-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <948476521-1268008928-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2070404821-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <003e01cabe5f$ac8f6650$05ae32f0$@edu>

nice, but more expensive than I can handle and it does not get great
mileage.  I'm not happy when I only get 28 to the gallon instead of 30.  I
wish I could afford a hybrid.

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of john9ten at pacbell.net
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:43 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

I higly recommend the Suzuki XL7. Split back seats, lotsa features, I can
fit a victrola xvi easily, comfortable..I love mine!
John Robles
------Original Message------
From: Ron L'Herault
Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
Sent: Mar 7, 2010 12:20 PM

Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright
Victrola.   It fills all my other criteria.    What about the Kia Soul? and
doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback?

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM
To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice of
Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique
phonographs.   I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the "typical"
Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as well
the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an
Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC pickup.
I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked at Hondas
(all of which have
too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider unattractive) &
Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate the
above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it might
be nice to get your input before making a final decision.   Thanks!
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances, Inc.


jimcip at earthlink.net
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From deedeeblais at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  8 08:57:16 2010
From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:57:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Cylinders For Sale
Message-ID: <805838.88865.qm@web113804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I am offering 56 unboxed cylinder records for sale.  They are the typical cross section of titles.  There are two wax amberol, one indestructible, and the balance are Blue Amberol.  If you call, I would be happy to read titles and answer any questions.  The price for all the records is $80 and I'm happy to deliver to Union or ship them.  Please email jerry.blais at yahoo.com or call 541-990-0781.  Thanks, Jerry Blais


      

From jimcip at earthlink.net  Mon Mar  8 09:11:15 2010
From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:11:15 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
Message-ID: <380-22010318171115375@earthlink.net>

Hybrids are not yet what they are cracked up to be.    I had an 2006 Lexus
Rx400h & its actual mileage, both in town & on the road, was consistently 6
- 8 miles below its rated mileage.     I don't think hybrid technology is
yet perfected.     One should wait for the next generation hybrids with
more efficient batteries, etc.
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances, Inc.

jimcip at earthlink.net


> [Original Message]
> From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 07-Mar-2010 10:37:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
> nice, but more expensive than I can handle and it does not get great
> mileage.  I'm not happy when I only get 28 to the gallon instead of 30.  I
> wish I could afford a hybrid.
>
> Ron L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]
On
> Behalf Of john9ten at pacbell.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:43 PM
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
> I higly recommend the Suzuki XL7. Split back seats, lotsa features, I can
> fit a victrola xvi easily, comfortable..I love mine!
> John Robles
> ------Original Message------
> From: Ron L'Herault
> Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> Sent: Mar 7, 2010 12:20 PM
>
> Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright
> Victrola.   It fills all my other criteria.    What about the Kia Soul?
and
> doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback?
>
> Ron L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]
On
> Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM
> To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
> I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice of
> Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique
> phonographs.   I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the "typical"
> Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as
well
> the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an
> Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC
pickup.
> I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked at
Hondas
> (all of which have
> too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider
unattractive) &
> Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate the
> above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it
might
> be nice to get your input before making a final decision.   Thanks!
> Jim Cartwright
> Immortal Performances, Inc.
>
>
> jimcip at earthlink.net
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
>
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From andy at popyrus.com  Mon Mar  8 10:03:00 2010
From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:03:00 -0700
Subject: [Phono-L] Cylinders For Sale
In-Reply-To: <805838.88865.qm@web113804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <805838.88865.qm@web113804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C8FCA335-DA4E-40E9-8DCE-9EE36099CB55@popyrus.com>

Hi Jerry ~

Just tried to call but was routed to voice mail and I didn't leave a  
message.  If not already sold, can you let me know when I might call  
to get the titles?

Also, I can be reached at 505-986-9182.

Best,
Andy Baron
Santa Fe

On Mar 8, 2010, at 9:57 AM, DeeDee Blais wrote:

> I am offering 56 unboxed cylinder records for sale.  They are the  
> typical cross section of titles.  There are two wax amberol, one  
> indestructible, and the balance are Blue Amberol.  If you call, I  
> would be happy to read titles and answer any questions.  The price  
> for all the records is $80 and I'm happy to deliver to Union or ship  
> them.  Please email jerry.blais at yahoo.com or call 541-990-0781.   
> Thanks, Jerry Blais
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org


From john9ten at pacbell.net  Mon Mar  8 10:24:26 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:24:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <380-22010318171115375@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <601734.77889.qm@web80708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge..
John Robles

--- On Mon, 3/8/10, jimcip at earthlink.net <jimcip at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: jimcip at earthlink.net <jimcip at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 9:11 AM

Hybrids are not yet what they are cracked up to be.? ? I had an 2006 Lexus
Rx400h & its actual mileage, both in town & on the road, was consistently 6
- 8 miles below its rated mileage.? ???I don't think hybrid technology is
yet perfected.? ???One should wait for the next generation hybrids with
more efficient batteries, etc.
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances, Inc.

jimcip at earthlink.net


> [Original Message]
> From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 07-Mar-2010 10:37:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
> nice, but more expensive than I can handle and it does not get great
> mileage.? I'm not happy when I only get 28 to the gallon instead of 30.? I
> wish I could afford a hybrid.
>
> Ron L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]
On
> Behalf Of john9ten at pacbell.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:43 PM
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
> I higly recommend the Suzuki XL7. Split back seats, lotsa features, I can
> fit a victrola xvi easily, comfortable..I love mine!
> John Robles
> ------Original Message------
> From: Ron L'Herault
> Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> Sent: Mar 7, 2010 12:20 PM
>
> Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright
> Victrola.???It fills all my other criteria.? ? What about the Kia Soul?
and
> doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback?
>
> Ron L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]
On
> Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM
> To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
> I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice of
> Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique
> phonographs.???I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the "typical"
> Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as
well
> the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an
> Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC
pickup.
> I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked at
Hondas
> (all of which have
> too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider
unattractive) &
> Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate the
> above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it
might
> be nice to get your input before making a final decision.???Thanks!
> Jim Cartwright
> Immortal Performances, Inc.
>
>
> jimcip at earthlink.net
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From edisone1 at verizon.net  Mon Mar  8 10:57:07 2010
From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:57:07 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
References: <601734.77889.qm@web80708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B44602240F24E059AECD69E21349C77@moms>

 They say 100 miles under ideal conditions.  That's more than I drive each 
week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no driveway so no 
place to plug it in !    The 'LEAF" doesn't look Victrola-sized, either


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?


I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I 
wonder how far you get on a charge..
John Robles



From john9ten at pacbell.net  Mon Mar  8 11:02:17 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:02:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <3B44602240F24E059AECD69E21349C77@moms>
Message-ID: <595279.15121.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how long they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will need to be places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not a lot of ground to cover when you are scouring the countryside for phonographs!
John

--- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net> wrote:

From: DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM

They say 100 miles under ideal conditions.? That's more than I drive each week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no driveway so no place to plug it in !? ? The 'LEAF" doesn't look Victrola-sized, either


----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?


I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge..
John Robles


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From gbogantz1 at charter.net  Mon Mar  8 11:19:22 2010
From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:19:22 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
References: <595279.15121.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9EDACCD7C7034A9AB761A11BE39CC4B7@gbhpa1514n>

    The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these hybrid 
cars is the cost to replace the battery pack.  Anybody who has ever owned a 
rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good for about 3 years, 
advertising claims to the contrary.  The published cost of the battery pack 
for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000.  Anyone who has any thought of buying 
a used Prius had better be prepared to shuck out another 3 grand very 
quickly to actually keep the thing on the road.  And the estimated battery 
cost of the new Chebby Volt is about 8 GRAND!  No wonder the car is set to 
retail for 40 grand.  Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in 
these battery packs, the whole "economical, money saving" baloney about 
operating one of these cars is just a pipe dream.  It makes good advertising 
malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner rather 
than later.

Greg Bogantz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?


Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how long 
they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will need to be 
places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not a lot of ground 
to cover when you are scouring the countryside for phonographs!
John

--- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net> wrote:

From: DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM

They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive each 
week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no driveway so no 
place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF" doesn't look Victrola-sized, either


----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?


I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I 
wonder how far you get on a charge..
John Robles


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From lherault at bu.edu  Mon Mar  8 11:23:16 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:23:16 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <595279.15121.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <3B44602240F24E059AECD69E21349C77@moms>
	<595279.15121.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008701cabef4$cd7e8900$54d6299b@ad.bu.edu>

ISTR that house current charges it in 16 hours.  220V in about 5 and special
440 hook ups in a hour or two.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how long
they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will need to be
places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not a lot of ground
to cover when you are scouring the countryside for phonographs!
John

--- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net> wrote:

From: DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM

They say 100 miles under ideal conditions.? That's more than I drive each
week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no driveway so no
place to plug it in !? ? The 'LEAF" doesn't look Victrola-sized, either


----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?


I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I
wonder how far you get on a charge..
John Robles


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From lherault at bu.edu  Mon Mar  8 11:25:41 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:25:41 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <9EDACCD7C7034A9AB761A11BE39CC4B7@gbhpa1514n>
References: <595279.15121.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9EDACCD7C7034A9AB761A11BE39CC4B7@gbhpa1514n>
Message-ID: <008801cabef5$23f71220$54d6299b@ad.bu.edu>

I thought Toyota gives the batteries 10 years.  I think they are the newer
Lithium Ion type, right?  These are better than the older Nickel
rechargeables, I'm pretty sure.

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Bogantz
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:19 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

    The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these hybrid 
cars is the cost to replace the battery pack.  Anybody who has ever owned a 
rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good for about 3 years,

advertising claims to the contrary.  The published cost of the battery pack 
for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000.  Anyone who has any thought of buying 
a used Prius had better be prepared to shuck out another 3 grand very 
quickly to actually keep the thing on the road.  And the estimated battery 
cost of the new Chebby Volt is about 8 GRAND!  No wonder the car is set to 
retail for 40 grand.  Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in 
these battery packs, the whole "economical, money saving" baloney about 
operating one of these cars is just a pipe dream.  It makes good advertising

malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner rather

than later.

Greg Bogantz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?


Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how long 
they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will need to be

places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not a lot of ground 
to cover when you are scouring the countryside for phonographs!
John

--- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net> wrote:

From: DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM

They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive each 
week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no driveway so no 
place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF" doesn't look Victrola-sized, either


----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?


I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I 
wonder how far you get on a charge..
John Robles


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From edisonstuff at comcast.net  Mon Mar  8 11:32:51 2010
From: edisonstuff at comcast.net (edisonstuff at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:32:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <380-22010318171115375@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <238174751.13738661268076771048.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



I agree recently sold my 07 Camry Hybrid, just in time with the problems Toyota is having. Now have a Chevy HHR that gets about 5 miles to the gallon less than the hybrid?!? Also a good part of the trunk in the hybrid was taken up by the batteries, My HHR can carry a whole lot more including at least one large Victrola. The downside Chevy makes the HHR in Mexico. 



Jim Galoppa 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: jimcip at earthlink.net 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> 
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 12:11:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? 

Hybrids are not yet what they are cracked up to be. ? ?I had an 2006 Lexus 
Rx400h & its actual mileage, both in town & on the road, was consistently 6 
- 8 miles below its rated mileage. ? ? I don't think hybrid technology is 
yet perfected. ? ? One should wait for the next generation hybrids with 
more efficient batteries, etc. 
Jim Cartwright 
Immortal Performances, Inc. 

jimcip at earthlink.net 


> [Original Message] 
> From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu> 
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org> 
> Date: 07-Mar-2010 10:37:07 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? 
> 
> nice, but more expensive than I can handle and it does not get great 
> mileage. ?I'm not happy when I only get 28 to the gallon instead of 30. ?I 
> wish I could afford a hybrid. 
> 
> Ron L 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] 
On 
> Behalf Of john9ten at pacbell.net 
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:43 PM 
> To: Antique Phonograph List 
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? 
> 
> I higly recommend the Suzuki XL7. Split back seats, lotsa features, I can 
> fit a victrola xvi easily, comfortable..I love mine! 
> John Robles 
> ------Original Message------ 
> From: Ron L'Herault 
> Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org 
> To: 'Antique Phonograph List' 
> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List 
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle? 
> Sent: Mar 7, 2010 12:20 PM 
> 
> Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a common upright 
> Victrola. ? It fills all my other criteria. ? ?What about the Kia Soul? 
and 
> doesn't Hyundai have a hatchback? 
> 
> Ron L 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] 
On 
> Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net 
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM 
> To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org 
> Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle? 
> 
> I am on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice of 
> Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul antique 
> phonographs. ? I'd like to have cargo capacity to transport the "typical" 
> Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph (C-250) as 
well 
> the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I need to haul an 
> Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to use my 1969 GMC 
pickup. 
> I want a smaller, more economical 4 cylinder vehicle & have looked at 
Hondas 
> (all of which have 
> too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I consider 
unattractive) & 
> Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 & Venza,all of which will accommodate the 
> above mentioned machines) & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it 
might 
> be nice to get your input before making a final decision. ? Thanks! 
> Jim Cartwright 
> Immortal Performances, Inc. 
> 
> 
> jimcip at earthlink.net 
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From john9ten at pacbell.net  Mon Mar  8 12:49:54 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten at pacbell.net)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:49:54 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <9EDACCD7C7034A9AB761A11BE39CC4B7@gbhpa1514n>
References: <595279.15121.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9EDACCD7C7034A9AB761A11BE39CC4B7@gbhpa1514n>
Message-ID: <1350977028-1268081323-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1943489893-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Time to buy a horse and cart!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Greg Bogantz" <gbogantz1 at charter.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:19:22 
To: Antique Phonograph List<phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

    The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these hybrid 
cars is the cost to replace the battery pack.  Anybody who has ever owned a 
rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good for about 3 years, 
advertising claims to the contrary.  The published cost of the battery pack 
for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000.  Anyone who has any thought of buying 
a used Prius had better be prepared to shuck out another 3 grand very 
quickly to actually keep the thing on the road.  And the estimated battery 
cost of the new Chebby Volt is about 8 GRAND!  No wonder the car is set to 
retail for 40 grand.  Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in 
these battery packs, the whole "economical, money saving" baloney about 
operating one of these cars is just a pipe dream.  It makes good advertising 
malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner rather 
than later.

Greg Bogantz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?


Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how long 
they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will need to be 
places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not a lot of ground 
to cover when you are scouring the countryside for phonographs!
John

--- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net> wrote:

From: DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM

They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive each 
week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no driveway so no 
place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF" doesn't look Victrola-sized, either


----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?


I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I 
wonder how far you get on a charge..
John Robles


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From ger55 at comcast.net  Mon Mar  8 13:08:48 2010
From: ger55 at comcast.net (ger)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:08:48 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
References: <595279.15121.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9EDACCD7C7034A9AB761A11BE39CC4B7@gbhpa1514n>
Message-ID: <B36B9862BC9B4C19B28F609967BE617B@GER1>

Agreed. 
I'd love an economical "new" 4-wheel drive with ABS brakes, large enough for "stuff." But frankly, battery power doesn't seem like the way to go. I'm stickin' with my 13 year old Honda CRV (traction-control) which has over 120K miles and still gets about 24-26 MPG...until something better comes out, like a Hydrogen converter...if I live that long. ;) 
Mom's little 2001 Honda Civic get 38 MPG. It has tilt forward rear seats and is amazinly accomodative (7-8ft lumber). The size limitation is the width/height of the trunk entry area...too bad. You'd think that whatever technology went into that little 9-year old car could have been expanded to include larger vehicles, wouldn't ya?

Ger

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Greg Bogantz 
  To: Antique Phonograph List 
  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?


      The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these hybrid 
  cars is the cost to replace the battery pack.  Anybody who has ever owned a 
  rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good for about 3 years, 
  advertising claims to the contrary.  The published cost of the battery pack 
  for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000.  Anyone who has any thought of buying 
  a used Prius had better be prepared to shuck out another 3 grand very 
  quickly to actually keep the thing on the road.  And the estimated battery 
  cost of the new Chebby Volt is about 8 GRAND!  No wonder the car is set to 
  retail for 40 grand.  Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in 
  these battery packs, the whole "economical, money saving" baloney about 
  operating one of these cars is just a pipe dream.  It makes good advertising 
  malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner rather 
  than later.

  Greg Bogantz



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
  To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?


  Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how long 
  they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will need to be 
  places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not a lot of ground 
  to cover when you are scouring the countryside for phonographs!
  John

  --- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net> wrote:

  From: DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net>
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
  To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
  Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM

  They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive each 
  week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no driveway so no 
  place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF" doesn't look Victrola-sized, either


  ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
  To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?


  I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric vehicle. I 
  wonder how far you get on a charge..
  John Robles


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From ger55 at comcast.net  Mon Mar  8 13:13:20 2010
From: ger55 at comcast.net (ger)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:13:20 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone price reduced
Message-ID: <C0FC47BD4C73443085A158AFB38F944B@GER1>

Forgive if this is a repeat. I think I sent this message to another group by mistake. DUH.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerdan/sets/72157604051321084/
This is in my mother's house. Her house is to be sold. At this point, I'd rather sell the phono to a collector than move it to my house. It needs some tinkering and TLC, but it plays, loud and clear.
It's listed in my shop for $14,950 with full description (see tias link). The site gets very good exposure. However, I'd rather sell directly than through my shop. 
Open to any **reasonable offer from this group. 

Location is Canaan CT 06018. Buyer must arrange for pick-up or shipping. Pick-up is probably best since it's big, heavy and old-age fragile. ;)

You all know that there weren't many of these made, and this has been in my family for over 50 years...it was my Pop's fav. I'm not in a big hurry, but I do need to move this...somewhere.

>From Pop's collection, I also have a front-mount Zonophone, Victor (VIC 1), 4 Edisons, a repaired Herbert, hundreds of records (about half are decent Blue Amb), over a dozen horns (several MG with painted roses; one rare large solid brass). They all play except one Edison which seems to have sprung its spring (and the Herbert turns, but???) . These don't have to be moved, but if anyone is interested in any or all, feel free to ask. In the collection are extra parts including reproducers, horn rods (one is floor model), gears (etc.). And an Edison Home timing device (rare and odd).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerdan/sets/72157623456339863/
Parts will only go with sale of the whole "other" collection, excluding Hex and timer which can be bought on their on, based on best offer.

Email me with a phone number and a legit/hard email. I was once approached (through this list!?) by a questionable source (with a throw-away email) who would not give me his phone #, so I'm a bit cautious. I can give lists of "stuff" in doc format and another link to the flickr site which has most photos of the collection.

I am looking for a "collector." One "dealer" offered me less (for everything) than what he later sold a single Hex for. So please be reasonable. :)

Thanks,
Ger

ger55 on ebay; ger55 at comcast.net
Victorian Glass Plus!
http://www.tias.com/stores/vgpp
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/glass_antique_and_old/

From AllenAmet at aol.com  Mon Mar  8 13:29:43 2010
From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:29:43 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone price reduced/
Message-ID: <2e4d1.24535f26.38c6c647@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 3/8/2010 4:19:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ger55 at comcast.net writes:

And an  Edison Home timing device (rare and  odd).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerdan/sets/72157623456339863/


------------
Hi
 
  Is there any info, besides the rpms, inscribed on the metal parts,  such 
as mfr?
 
allen
 

From ger55 at comcast.net  Mon Mar  8 15:11:54 2010
From: ger55 at comcast.net (ger)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:11:54 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone price reduced/
References: <2e4d1.24535f26.38c6c647@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A5244FAE26C5420D9A42AB87D198213B@GER1>

"The Kemmer Indicator" on the base right in front and then "Pat. May 6, 1902" near the pointer on the base.

Then in really really tiny letters on the bottom of what looks like white plastic (don't know what the material is though), under "Home" is "The Whitehead and Hoag Co, Newark, N.J." 

Ger

ger55 on ebay; ger55 at comcast.net
Victorian Glass Plus!
http://www.tias.com/stores/vgpp
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/glass_antique_and_old/
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: AllenAmet at aol.com 
  To: phono-l at oldcrank.org 
  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Hexaphone price reduced/



  In a message dated 3/8/2010 4:19:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
  ger55 at comcast.net writes:

  And an  Edison Home timing device (rare and  odd).
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerdan/sets/72157623456339863/


  ------------
  Hi
   
    Is there any info, besides the rpms, inscribed on the metal parts,  such 
  as mfr?
   
  allen
   
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From artempo42 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar  8 15:22:09 2010
From: artempo42 at sbcglobal.net (jerry f bacon)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:22:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicles
Message-ID: <616899.17825.qm@web180106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I wonder if a Baker Electric could be fitted with these new batteries? I don't have one.

Cheers from Dallas,Tx
Jerry F Bacon

From deedeeblais at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  8 16:01:23 2010
From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:01:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle
Message-ID: <571606.36935.qm@web113819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I've been thinking about a new phonomobile and I'm leaning towards a Suburu Outback.  I'm also attracted to the VW Passat diesel wagon.  I've owned a couple of VW's and even my diesel Rabbit was fun to drive.  I drove it to CAPS a couple of times.  Once I removed the back seat so I could deliver an "L" door Victrola.  There was room for the Victrola as well as four or five horn machines, luggage and Mike Stitt.  Jerry Blais


      

From deedeeblais at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  8 15:55:58 2010
From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:55:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] The Cylinders Have Been Sold!
Message-ID: <340756.47069.qm@web113802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks, my 56 cylinders have been sold.  Jerry Blais


      

From Zonophone2006 at aol.com  Mon Mar  8 16:00:50 2010
From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:00:50 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
Message-ID: <3b899.5f062c4f.38c6e9b2@aol.com>

HI ALL
For my two cents
i have a corvette and a avalanche
they are both great cars and great mileage on the vette
the avalanche is a great truck but the mileage is not 
seems all cars have some problems
i e the nissans and toyotas in the news lately too
its a mechanical device and like even phonographs can have some  problems
just my thoughts
zono
 
 
In a message dated 3/8/2010 12:41:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jimcip at earthlink.net writes:

Hybrids  are not yet what they are cracked up to be.    I had an 2006  Lexus
Rx400h & its actual mileage, both in town & on the road, was  consistently 6
- 8 miles below its rated mileage.     I  don't think hybrid technology is
yet perfected.     One  should wait for the next generation hybrids with
more efficient batteries,  etc.
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances,  Inc.

jimcip at earthlink.net


> [Original Message]
>  From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
> To: Antique Phonograph  List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 07-Mar-2010 10:37:07  PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
> nice, but more  expensive than I can handle and it does not get great
> mileage.   I'm not happy when I only get 28 to the gallon instead of 30.  
I
>  wish I could afford a hybrid.
>
> Ron L
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org  [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]
On
> Behalf Of  john9ten at pacbell.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:43 PM
> To:  Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L]  Vehicle?
>
> I higly recommend the Suzuki XL7. Split back seats,  lotsa features, I can
> fit a victrola xvi easily, comfortable..I love  mine!
> John Robles
> ------Original Message------
> From:  Ron L'Herault
> Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> To:  'Antique Phonograph List'
> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List
>  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> Sent: Mar 7, 2010 12:20  PM
>
> Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a  common upright
> Victrola.   It fills all my other  criteria.    What about the Kia Soul?
and
> doesn't Hyundai  have a hatchback?
>
> Ron L
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org  [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]
On
> Behalf Of  jimcip at earthlink.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM
> To:  Phono-L at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
> I am  on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice  
of
> Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul  antique
> phonographs.   I'd like to have cargo capacity to  transport the "typical"
> Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond  Disc Phonograph (C-250) as
well
> the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I  need to haul an
> Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to  use my 1969 GMC
pickup.
> I want a smaller, more economical 4  cylinder vehicle & have looked at
Hondas
> (all of which  have
> too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I  consider
unattractive) &
> Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 &  Venza,all of which will accommodate the
> above mentioned machines)  & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it
might
> be nice to  get your input before making a final decision.   Thanks!
> Jim  Cartwright
> Immortal Performances, Inc.
>
>
>  jimcip at earthlink.net
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From kend at lemur.org  Mon Mar  8 16:58:48 2010
From: kend at lemur.org (Ken Danckaert)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:58:48 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicles
In-Reply-To: <616899.17825.qm@web180106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <616899.17825.qm@web180106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e82cd3771003081658o7172613an74c61a3751bdcf44@mail.gmail.com>

You know that Emile Berliner drove a Stanley Steamer.  No batteries to worry
about!

Ken Danckaert

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 6:22 PM, jerry f bacon <artempo42 at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> I wonder if a Baker Electric could be fitted with these new batteries? I
> don't have one.
>
> Cheers from Dallas,Tx
> Jerry F Bacon
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From thatcher at mediaguide.com  Mon Mar  8 17:06:11 2010
From: thatcher at mediaguide.com (Thatcher Graham)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:06:11 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <9EDACCD7C7034A9AB761A11BE39CC4B7@gbhpa1514n>
References: <595279.15121.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9EDACCD7C7034A9AB761A11BE39CC4B7@gbhpa1514n>
Message-ID: <4B959F03.2030809@mediaguide.com>

Greg,

I have to point out that while $3,00 sounds like a lot, that cash is off 
set by paying the equivalent of about $1 a gallon for gas.  For example: 
I gas up once a week, at a cost of about $30. That's over $1,500 the 
first year, a total of $4,680 in 3 years. Even if the batteries all die 
in 3 years, I came out ahead.

But granted. 3 grand is a helluva tune up.




Greg Bogantz wrote:
>    The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these 
> hybrid cars is the cost to replace the battery pack.  Anybody who has 
> ever owned a rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good 
> for about 3 years, advertising claims to the contrary.  The published 
> cost of the battery pack for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000.  Anyone 
> who has any thought of buying a used Prius had better be prepared to 
> shuck out another 3 grand very quickly to actually keep the thing on 
> the road.  And the estimated battery cost of the new Chebby Volt is 
> about 8 GRAND!  No wonder the car is set to retail for 40 grand.  
> Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in these battery 
> packs, the whole "economical, money saving" baloney about operating 
> one of these cars is just a pipe dream.  It makes good advertising 
> malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner 
> rather than later.
>
> Greg Bogantz
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
>
> Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how 
> long they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will 
> need to be places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not 
> a lot of ground to cover when you are scouring the countryside for 
> phonographs!
> John
>
> --- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> From: DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM
>
> They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive 
> each week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no 
> driveway so no place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF" doesn't look 
> Victrola-sized, either
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
>
> I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric 
> vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge..
> John Robles
>
>
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From vinyl.visions at live.com  Mon Mar  8 17:15:44 2010
From: vinyl.visions at live.com (Curt Angstman)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:15:44 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle
In-Reply-To: <571606.36935.qm@web113819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <571606.36935.qm@web113819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU132-W21926C6055B9A18C02BDE9E340@phx.gbl>


My suggestion is a BMW Z3 and forget about hauling phonographs or you could attach a trailer. I have one and its a great car and fun to drive, not to mention the prices have come down on them.
 
> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:01:23 -0800
> From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle
> 
> I've been thinking about a new phonomobile and I'm leaning towards a Suburu Outback. I'm also attracted to the VW Passat diesel wagon. I've owned a couple of VW's and even my diesel Rabbit was fun to drive. I drove it to CAPS a couple of times. Once I removed the back seat so I could deliver an "L" door Victrola. There was room for the Victrola as well as four or five horn machines, luggage and Mike Stitt. Jerry Blais
> 
> 
> 
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From AllenAmet at aol.com  Mon Mar  8 17:32:25 2010
From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:32:25 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone price reduced/
Message-ID: <3f48a.13bf3c80.38c6ff29@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 3/8/2010 6:31:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ger55 at comcast.net writes (re Kemmer):

Then in  really really tiny letters on the bottom of what looks like white 
plastic  (don't know what the material is though), under "Home" is "The 
Whitehead and  Hoag Co, Newark, N.J." 


--------------
Thanks - that's celluloid. The patent is listed in PHP.
 
allen
 

From tomj33 at msn.com  Mon Mar  8 18:07:40 2010
From: tomj33 at msn.com (Tom Jordan)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:07:40 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <3b899.5f062c4f.38c6e9b2@aol.com>
References: <3b899.5f062c4f.38c6e9b2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP8FE2E6F10088EDBF8B5BDD9340@phx.gbl>

Did you all see the news tonight from California?  I Police vehicle had to
get in front of a Toyota and slow it to a stop as the driver called 911 as
his car was stuck at 90 MPH and he couldn't slow or stop it?  Fords are
looking really good to me these days.



-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Zonophone2006 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:01 PM
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

HI ALL
For my two cents
i have a corvette and a avalanche
they are both great cars and great mileage on the vette
the avalanche is a great truck but the mileage is not 
seems all cars have some problems
i e the nissans and toyotas in the news lately too
its a mechanical device and like even phonographs can have some  problems
just my thoughts
zono
 
 
In a message dated 3/8/2010 12:41:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jimcip at earthlink.net writes:

Hybrids  are not yet what they are cracked up to be.    I had an 2006  Lexus
Rx400h & its actual mileage, both in town & on the road, was  consistently 6
- 8 miles below its rated mileage.     I  don't think hybrid technology is
yet perfected.     One  should wait for the next generation hybrids with
more efficient batteries,  etc.
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances,  Inc.

jimcip at earthlink.net


> [Original Message]
>  From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
> To: Antique Phonograph  List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 07-Mar-2010 10:37:07  PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
> nice, but more  expensive than I can handle and it does not get great
> mileage.   I'm not happy when I only get 28 to the gallon instead of 30.  
I
>  wish I could afford a hybrid.
>
> Ron L
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org  [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]
On
> Behalf Of  john9ten at pacbell.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:43 PM
> To:  Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L]  Vehicle?
>
> I higly recommend the Suzuki XL7. Split back seats,  lotsa features, I can
> fit a victrola xvi easily, comfortable..I love  mine!
> John Robles
> ------Original Message------
> From:  Ron L'Herault
> Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> To:  'Antique Phonograph List'
> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List
>  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> Sent: Mar 7, 2010 12:20  PM
>
> Dang, I was hoping the Honda Fit would be big enough for a  common upright
> Victrola.   It fills all my other  criteria.    What about the Kia Soul?
and
> doesn't Hyundai  have a hatchback?
>
> Ron L
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org  [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]
On
> Behalf Of  jimcip at earthlink.net
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:47 PM
> To:  Phono-L at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
> I am  on the verge of getting a new vehicle & thought I'd ask the advice  
of
> Phono-L members since, like myself, you all have need to haul  antique
> phonographs.   I'd like to have cargo capacity to  transport the "typical"
> Victrola (XVI), the "typical" Edison Diamond  Disc Phonograph (C-250) as
well
> the Orthophonic "Credenza" - when I  need to haul an
> Orthophonic changer or a Capehart, I'll continue to  use my 1969 GMC
pickup.
> I want a smaller, more economical 4  cylinder vehicle & have looked at
Hondas
> (all of which  have
> too small a cargo area except the "Element" which I  consider
unattractive) &
> Toyotas (Scion, Metric, RAV 4 &  Venza,all of which will accommodate the
> above mentioned machines)  & am leaning towards the RAV4 but thought it
might
> be nice to  get your input before making a final decision.   Thanks!
> Jim  Cartwright
> Immortal Performances, Inc.
>
>
>  jimcip at earthlink.net
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>
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>
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From tomj33 at msn.com  Mon Mar  8 19:12:33 2010
From: tomj33 at msn.com (Tom Jordan)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:12:33 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <4B959F03.2030809@mediaguide.com>
References: <595279.15121.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<9EDACCD7C7034A9AB761A11BE39CC4B7@gbhpa1514n>
	<4B959F03.2030809@mediaguide.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP62DAF2B7E2BDBBF1FE20C9D9340@phx.gbl>

Do some reading on the environmental impact of producing the batteries for
these cars.  The raw materials that are taken from the planet leave the
surrounding area a toxic waste dump.  Those materials are then shipped to
the opposite side of the world in ships where the batteries are built.  Then
they are shipped back to the United States in the same ships to be put into
the cars.

What do we do with the spent batteries once they are replaced?  Landfills?
No savings is realized whatsoever and the planet is ravaged in the process.

I put my hopes into REALLY energy efficient gas or diesel vehicles or
hydrogen.  They are possible, but manufacturers aren't motivated to make
them as consumers continue to buy the old technology.

Consumers simply need to stop purchasing vehicles that pollute and vote with
their pocketbooks.  Greedy corporations will come around when their bottom
lines are ravaged.  It's the only way to grab their attention and get real
change.

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Thatcher Graham
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:06 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

Greg,

I have to point out that while $3,00 sounds like a lot, that cash is off 
set by paying the equivalent of about $1 a gallon for gas.  For example: 
I gas up once a week, at a cost of about $30. That's over $1,500 the 
first year, a total of $4,680 in 3 years. Even if the batteries all die 
in 3 years, I came out ahead.

But granted. 3 grand is a helluva tune up.




Greg Bogantz wrote:
>    The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these 
> hybrid cars is the cost to replace the battery pack.  Anybody who has 
> ever owned a rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good 
> for about 3 years, advertising claims to the contrary.  The published 
> cost of the battery pack for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000.  Anyone 
> who has any thought of buying a used Prius had better be prepared to 
> shuck out another 3 grand very quickly to actually keep the thing on 
> the road.  And the estimated battery cost of the new Chebby Volt is 
> about 8 GRAND!  No wonder the car is set to retail for 40 grand.  
> Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in these battery 
> packs, the whole "economical, money saving" baloney about operating 
> one of these cars is just a pipe dream.  It makes good advertising 
> malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner 
> rather than later.
>
> Greg Bogantz
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
>
> Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how 
> long they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will 
> need to be places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not 
> a lot of ground to cover when you are scouring the countryside for 
> phonographs!
> John
>
> --- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> From: DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM
>
> They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive 
> each week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no 
> driveway so no place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF" doesn't look 
> Victrola-sized, either
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
>
> I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric 
> vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge..
> John Robles
>
>
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From thatcher at mediaguide.com  Mon Mar  8 20:36:54 2010
From: thatcher at mediaguide.com (Thatcher Graham)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:36:54 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP62DAF2B7E2BDBBF1FE20C9D9340@phx.gbl>
References: <595279.15121.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<9EDACCD7C7034A9AB761A11BE39CC4B7@gbhpa1514n>	<4B959F03.2030809@mediaguide.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP62DAF2B7E2BDBBF1FE20C9D9340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B95D066.5060403@mediaguide.com>

If you're going to gripe about lead, remember that the iron, steel and 
aluminum in all cars also mined, shipped and assembled and all leave a 
big dirty crater behind like all modern electronic and mechanical devices.

I think the last clean machine on earth may be the old crank phonograph.




Tom Jordan wrote:
> Do some reading on the environmental impact of producing the batteries for
> these cars.  The raw materials that are taken from the planet leave the
> surrounding area a toxic waste dump.  Those materials are then shipped to
> the opposite side of the world in ships where the batteries are built.  Then
> they are shipped back to the United States in the same ships to be put into
> the cars.
>
> What do we do with the spent batteries once they are replaced?  Landfills?
> No savings is realized whatsoever and the planet is ravaged in the process.
>
> I put my hopes into REALLY energy efficient gas or diesel vehicles or
> hydrogen.  They are possible, but manufacturers aren't motivated to make
> them as consumers continue to buy the old technology.
>
> Consumers simply need to stop purchasing vehicles that pollute and vote with
> their pocketbooks.  Greedy corporations will come around when their bottom
> lines are ravaged.  It's the only way to grab their attention and get real
> change.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
> Behalf Of Thatcher Graham
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:06 PM
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
> Greg,
>
> I have to point out that while $3,00 sounds like a lot, that cash is off 
> set by paying the equivalent of about $1 a gallon for gas.  For example: 
> I gas up once a week, at a cost of about $30. That's over $1,500 the 
> first year, a total of $4,680 in 3 years. Even if the batteries all die 
> in 3 years, I came out ahead.
>
> But granted. 3 grand is a helluva tune up.
>
>
>
>
> Greg Bogantz wrote:
>   
>>    The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these 
>> hybrid cars is the cost to replace the battery pack.  Anybody who has 
>> ever owned a rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good 
>> for about 3 years, advertising claims to the contrary.  The published 
>> cost of the battery pack for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000.  Anyone 
>> who has any thought of buying a used Prius had better be prepared to 
>> shuck out another 3 grand very quickly to actually keep the thing on 
>> the road.  And the estimated battery cost of the new Chebby Volt is 
>> about 8 GRAND!  No wonder the car is set to retail for 40 grand.  
>> Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in these battery 
>> packs, the whole "economical, money saving" baloney about operating 
>> one of these cars is just a pipe dream.  It makes good advertising 
>> malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner 
>> rather than later.
>>
>> Greg Bogantz
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>>
>>
>> Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how 
>> long they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will 
>> need to be places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not 
>> a lot of ground to cover when you are scouring the countryside for 
>> phonographs!
>> John
>>
>> --- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> From: DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>> Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM
>>
>> They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive 
>> each week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no 
>> driveway so no place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF" doesn't look 
>> Victrola-sized, either
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>>
>>
>> I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric 
>> vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge..
>> John Robles
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>     
>
>   


From Aph4990 at aol.com  Mon Mar  8 21:15:36 2010
From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 00:15:36 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
Message-ID: <4d14c.30fc3f89.38c73378@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 3/8/10 9:41:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
thatcher at mediaguide.com writes:

If  you're going to gripe about lead, remember that the iron, steel and  
aluminum in all cars also mined, shipped and assembled and all leave a  
big dirty crater behind like all modern electronic and mechanical  devices.

I think the last clean machine on earth may be the old crank  phonograph.



If I remember accurately, the question posed concerned the best vehicle to  
transport a phonograph--not the greenest vehicle, nor the cheapest  
vehicle.  For my two cents, I think that any small wagon with fold down  rear seats 
will handle a floor model Edison or Victrola. (But not  a  mini wagon)  If 
you plan on carrying multiple phonos, then a van is  certainly going to work 
better.  I have an Audi A4 wagon and it handled a  large Victor floor model 
Radio-phono easily.  30 miles per gallon on the  road is enough for me at 
this time.
 
Now, for those looking for the most ecologically sound vehicle, I think the 
 most appropriate would be a wind up.  I'm still waiting for GE, as the  
descendant of the Edison Company,  to come out with one.
 
Art Heller
 
 

From edisone1 at verizon.net  Mon Mar  8 21:13:45 2010
From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:13:45 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
References: <595279.15121.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9EDACCD7C7034A9AB761A11BE39CC4B7@gbhpa1514n>
	<4B959F03.2030809@mediaguide.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP62DAF2B7E2BDBBF1FE20C9D9340@phx.gbl>
	<4B95D066.5060403@mediaguide.com>
Message-ID: <288D178F73D54A51A5FB68A5E3C50C70@moms>

 The most practical electric vehicle: 
http://cyanpdx.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Portland_streetcar.jpg

(and yes, the last/best clean machine is still Human Power, which includes 
hand-wound phonos, push-mowers, and walking anyplace! )




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thatcher Graham" <thatcher at mediaguide.com>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?


> If you're going to gripe about lead, remember that the iron, steel and 
> aluminum in all cars also mined, shipped and assembled and all leave a big 
> dirty crater behind like all modern electronic and mechanical devices.
>
> I think the last clean machine on earth may be the old crank phonograph.


From darren at ingram.fi  Tue Mar  9 01:17:44 2010
From: darren at ingram.fi (D P Ingram)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:17:44 +0200
Subject: [Phono-L] The Cylinders Have Been Sold!
In-Reply-To: <340756.47069.qm@web113802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <340756.47069.qm@web113802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B3C1FE08-C9B9-41DB-BEA9-56CBFC39A192@ingram.fi>

This reminds me, for the benefit of the list's European members (might be easier for postage) a list of a few items surplus to Music Library Finland can be found here (of course, will ship worldwide on request).

Select phonograph cylinders from list.

http://bit.ly/apzstk




Rgds, Darren

On 9 mar 2010, at 01.55, DeeDee Blais wrote:

> Thanks, my 56 cylinders have been sold.  Jerry Blais
> 
> 
> 
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? D P Ingram ? Ab Ingram Oy ?
? darren at ingram.fi ?  www.ingram.fi ? 
? 
? MUSIC LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi 
?
? +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ? +46 8 5511 4995 (SWE) ? +44 203 318 0599  (UK) ?
? extn 8001
?









From steve_noreen at msn.com  Tue Mar  9 04:11:02 2010
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 07:11:02 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Mini van with stow and go feature
In-Reply-To: <4d14c.30fc3f89.38c73378@aol.com>
References: <4d14c.30fc3f89.38c73378@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W373165787420EF4ED54554F6340@phx.gbl>


Look at the mini van with the stow and go feature, all the seats fold down and the room is amazing.  When I rent a vehicle that is what I get.  

 

The brand is your preference.  

 

Steve
 
 		 	   		  

From deedeeblais at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  9 08:15:21 2010
From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 08:15:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] For Sale!
Message-ID: <48200.77504.qm@web113815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I am thinning things out a bit and am selling the following:
Col BK, two minute cylinder player, $400 /// Long Green Model A Home, two minute, $400 /// Branded Case Model A Gem, $450 /// Symphony (plays United big hole records), $200/// Original Siam Sue, $500 /// Nipper, 11" paper, $200.  I am happy to send photos and answer questions.  Please email jerry.blais at yahoo.com or call 541-990-0781


      

From khwright at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  9 15:51:16 2010
From: khwright at hotmail.com (Keith Wright)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:51:16 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
In-Reply-To: <288D178F73D54A51A5FB68A5E3C50C70@moms>
References: <595279.15121.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<9EDACCD7C7034A9AB761A11BE39CC4B7@gbhpa1514n>,
	<4B959F03.2030809@mediaguide.com>,
	<BLU0-SMTP62DAF2B7E2BDBBF1FE20C9D9340@phx.gbl>,
	<4B95D066.5060403@mediaguide.com>,
	<288D178F73D54A51A5FB68A5E3C50C70@moms>
Message-ID: <COL110-W1526C7BB98EC7FD177E414DB340@phx.gbl>


...and bicycles.

> From: edisone1 at verizon.net
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 00:13:45 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> 
>  The most practical electric vehicle: 
> http://cyanpdx.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Portland_streetcar.jpg
> 
> (and yes, the last/best clean machine is still Human Power, which includes 
> hand-wound phonos, push-mowers, and walking anyplace! )
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Thatcher Graham" <thatcher at mediaguide.com>
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> 
> 
> > If you're going to gripe about lead, remember that the iron, steel and 
> > aluminum in all cars also mined, shipped and assembled and all leave a big 
> > dirty crater behind like all modern electronic and mechanical devices.
> >
> > I think the last clean machine on earth may be the old crank phonograph.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
Stay in touch.
http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959

From chrisk33 at cox.net  Wed Mar 10 17:47:42 2010
From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:47:42 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
Message-ID: <4B984BBE.3060102@cox.net>

Can anyone give me the lowdown on jukebox needles?  I bought some new 
old stock Cole's coin machine needles with osmium tips.  The package 
says the needle lasts many plays and doesn't have to be rotated.  I'm 
also curious about the shape of the needle.  A couple of millimeters up 
from the point, the metal is flattened into a pointed oval like a cobra 
head and then resumes being cylindrical.  What is that for?

Osmium is nearly as hard as tungsten and I've seen some references to 
people cutting their own needles from tungsten wire and forming the 
point by rubbing the cut end in a record groove while rotating it (which 
seems astonishing).

Is such hardness a good idea in a needle, or does it cause excessive 
record wear? 

If these jukebox needles are safe to use, how do I tell when it's time 
to change one?

Best regards,

Chris

From gbogantz1 at charter.net  Wed Mar 10 19:03:07 2010
From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:03:07 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
References: <4B984BBE.3060102@cox.net>
Message-ID: <14E3EC12D3864BD788D9762B52CB6446@gbhpa1514n>

    Osmium tipped needles were a transitional style.  They were the cheapest 
"permanent" needle typically marketed in the late 1930s thru the '50s.  The 
more expensive varieties of "permanent" needles were sapphire or ruby and 
the most expensive were diamond.  People were using record changers and 
didn't want to mess around with changing steel needles all the time, so 
these styles became popular.  The problem with all of these needles in that 
time period is that the pickups tracked at too high a force for any of them 
to be optimal with regard to record wear.  The magnetic and crystal pickups 
of that period typically tracked at between 30 and 80 grams.  Although 
that's less than the 80 to 150 grams of the earlier acoustic reproducer 
period, it's still just too high for any of these hard needles.  They were 
especially deadly when used with the early vinyl 78s that were beginning to 
appear after WWII.  The proper technology for high tracking forces was the 
steel or tungsten wire needle when used with shellac records that contained 
abrasive fillers that were intended to quickly wear the needle into 
conformance with the groove shape.  But, of course, the steel needles needed 
to be changed with every record side or two.  Tungsten WIRE shaped needles 
are superior to the osmium tipped needles because the cylindrical wire shape 
retains the same cross-sectional area during the entire lifetime of the 
needle.  The osmium needles were tapered and as they wore they got a bigger 
cross section.  This is fine until the cross section gets too big to fit 
into the groove width which happens after just a few records are played. 
Then the needle forms shoulders that ride outside the groove and on the land 
of the record.  This lifts the needle out of close contact with the groove 
walls which leads to mistracking, distortion, and high record wear.  These 
hard needles, especially the sapphire and diamond ones don't wear down 
quickly, and instead wear the records.  These needles that were typical in 
this time period are the main reason that records that have survived from 
the '30s thru the '50s look worn and sound more distorted and worn than 
records that have survived from the teens and '20s and that were played 
properly with steel or tungsten wire needles.  The use of these hard needles 
only became proper when pickup tracking forces were reduced to 10 grams or 
less in the 1950s.  I don't feel comfortable using them even above about 5 
grams.  Tracking forces of 1 to 2 grams became commonplace in the early 
1960s, and jewel-tipped needles are perfectly satisfactory when used in 
these pickups.

    The bottom line is, I would NOT recommend using hard needles in any 
pickup tracking at more than 10 grams if you want to preserve your records. 
When new, these needles will sound good for a while.  But they will be 
grinding the bejeezus out of your records if you are tracking them at 30 
grams or more.  If you have a jukebox or record changer that operates at 
high tracking force, use tungsten wire needles.  Or change the pickup (and 
tonearm if necessary) to allow tracking forces below 10 grams if you want to 
use jewel-tipped needles.  Osmium would also work in this application, but 
it will wear out after 20 sides or so, even at this tracking force.  Osmium 
is just a bad idea for just about any application.

Greg Bogantz


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Kocsis" <chrisk33 at cox.net>
To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:47 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?


> Can anyone give me the lowdown on jukebox needles?  I bought some new old 
> stock Cole's coin machine needles with osmium tips.  The package says the 
> needle lasts many plays and doesn't have to be rotated.  I'm also curious 
> about the shape of the needle.  A couple of millimeters up from the point, 
> the metal is flattened into a pointed oval like a cobra head and then 
> resumes being cylindrical.  What is that for?
>
> Osmium is nearly as hard as tungsten and I've seen some references to 
> people cutting their own needles from tungsten wire and forming the point 
> by rubbing the cut end in a record groove while rotating it (which seems 
> astonishing).
>
> Is such hardness a good idea in a needle, or does it cause excessive 
> record wear?
> If these jukebox needles are safe to use, how do I tell when it's time to 
> change one?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org 


From chrisk33 at cox.net  Wed Mar 10 19:23:29 2010
From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:23:29 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
In-Reply-To: <14E3EC12D3864BD788D9762B52CB6446@gbhpa1514n>
References: <4B984BBE.3060102@cox.net>
	<14E3EC12D3864BD788D9762B52CB6446@gbhpa1514n>
Message-ID: <4B986231.4080104@cox.net>

Thank you, Greg!

Are you saying that tungsten wire shaped needles are just clipped 
lengths of tungsten wire, without a point being formed on them before 
being used to play a record?

Chris

Greg Bogantz wrote:
>    Osmium tipped needles were a transitional style.  They were the 
> cheapest "permanent" needle typically marketed in the late 1930s thru 
> the '50s.  The more expensive varieties of "permanent" needles were 
> sapphire or ruby and the most expensive were diamond.  People were 
> using record changers and didn't want to mess around with changing 
> steel needles all the time, so these styles became popular.  The 
> problem with all of these needles in that time period is that the 
> pickups tracked at too high a force for any of them to be optimal with 
> regard to record wear.  The magnetic and crystal pickups of that 
> period typically tracked at between 30 and 80 grams.  Although that's 
> less than the 80 to 150 grams of the earlier acoustic reproducer 
> period, it's still just too high for any of these hard needles.  They 
> were especially deadly when used with the early vinyl 78s that were 
> beginning to appear after WWII.  The proper technology for high 
> tracking forces was the steel or tungsten wire needle when used with 
> shellac records that contained abrasive fillers that were intended to 
> quickly wear the needle into conformance with the groove shape.  But, 
> of course, the steel needles needed to be changed with every record 
> side or two.  Tungsten WIRE shaped needles are superior to the osmium 
> tipped needles because the cylindrical wire shape retains the same 
> cross-sectional area during the entire lifetime of the needle.  The 
> osmium needles were tapered and as they wore they got a bigger cross 
> section.  This is fine until the cross section gets too big to fit 
> into the groove width which happens after just a few records are 
> played. Then the needle forms shoulders that ride outside the groove 
> and on the land of the record.  This lifts the needle out of close 
> contact with the groove walls which leads to mistracking, distortion, 
> and high record wear.  These hard needles, especially the sapphire and 
> diamond ones don't wear down quickly, and instead wear the records.  
> These needles that were typical in this time period are the main 
> reason that records that have survived from the '30s thru the '50s 
> look worn and sound more distorted and worn than records that have 
> survived from the teens and '20s and that were played properly with 
> steel or tungsten wire needles.  The use of these hard needles only 
> became proper when pickup tracking forces were reduced to 10 grams or 
> less in the 1950s.  I don't feel comfortable using them even above 
> about 5 grams.  Tracking forces of 1 to 2 grams became commonplace in 
> the early 1960s, and jewel-tipped needles are perfectly satisfactory 
> when used in these pickups.
>
>    The bottom line is, I would NOT recommend using hard needles in any 
> pickup tracking at more than 10 grams if you want to preserve your 
> records. When new, these needles will sound good for a while.  But 
> they will be grinding the bejeezus out of your records if you are 
> tracking them at 30 grams or more.  If you have a jukebox or record 
> changer that operates at high tracking force, use tungsten wire 
> needles.  Or change the pickup (and tonearm if necessary) to allow 
> tracking forces below 10 grams if you want to use jewel-tipped 
> needles.  Osmium would also work in this application, but it will wear 
> out after 20 sides or so, even at this tracking force.  Osmium is just 
> a bad idea for just about any application.
>
> Greg Bogantz
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kocsis" <chrisk33 at cox.net>
> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:47 PM
> Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
>
>
>> Can anyone give me the lowdown on jukebox needles?  I bought some new 
>> old stock Cole's coin machine needles with osmium tips.  The package 
>> says the needle lasts many plays and doesn't have to be rotated.  I'm 
>> also curious about the shape of the needle.  A couple of millimeters 
>> up from the point, the metal is flattened into a pointed oval like a 
>> cobra head and then resumes being cylindrical.  What is that for?
>>
>> Osmium is nearly as hard as tungsten and I've seen some references to 
>> people cutting their own needles from tungsten wire and forming the 
>> point by rubbing the cut end in a record groove while rotating it 
>> (which seems astonishing).
>>
>> Is such hardness a good idea in a needle, or does it cause excessive 
>> record wear?
>> If these jukebox needles are safe to use, how do I tell when it's 
>> time to change one?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Chris
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org 
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>

From gbogantz1 at charter.net  Thu Mar 11 16:05:48 2010
From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:05:48 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
References: <4B984BBE.3060102@cox.net><14E3EC12D3864BD788D9762B52CB6446@gbhpa1514n>
	<4B986231.4080104@cox.net>
Message-ID: <D2852774D61C47088C99B050DC808480@gbhpa1514n>

Hi Chris,

    Yes, that's right.  There was no shaping of the end of the wire on 
Victor Tungstones.  I just confirmed that by looking at a couple of NOS 
Tungstones that I have.  The wire was sheared to essentially a flat end 
shape.  Victor advised playing a junk record first to shape the end of the 
wire before using a new needle to play good records.  Likewise, Victor 
advised reshaping the needle by playing a junk record if the user ever 
removed the needle and then remounted it in the reproducer.  The wire wears 
into the shape of the groove in just a minute or so of play, so the initial 
shape of it is irrelevant.

I failed to comment earlier specifically on the claim that osmium and other 
hard needles could be removed and remounted without a problem.  This is NOT 
correct, for the same reason that Victor advised reshaping their tungsten 
needles if they were remounted.  The needle tip wears into the "V" shape of 
the groove fairly quickly, depending on the hardness of the needle. 
Remounting the needle with exactly the same orientation as when it was 
removed is almost impossible.  After remounting, there is a very high 
probability that the misoriented needle will severely gouge the record for a 
while until it is reformed to fit the groove, the moreso with the harder 
needles.  This is not so much of a problem with the tungsten wire needles as 
they can be reformed in only about a minute of play with a junk record.

Greg Bogantz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Kocsis" <chrisk33 at cox.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?


> Thank you, Greg!
>
> Are you saying that tungsten wire shaped needles are just clipped lengths 
> of tungsten wire, without a point being formed on them before being used 
> to play a record?
>
> Chris
>
> Greg Bogantz wrote:
>>    Osmium tipped needles were a transitional style.  They were the 
>> cheapest "permanent" needle typically marketed in the late 1930s thru the 
>> '50s.  The more expensive varieties of "permanent" needles were sapphire 
>> or ruby and the most expensive were diamond.  People were using record 
>> changers and didn't want to mess around with changing steel needles all 
>> the time, so these styles became popular.  The problem with all of these 
>> needles in that time period is that the pickups tracked at too high a 
>> force for any of them to be optimal with regard to record wear.  The 
>> magnetic and crystal pickups of that period typically tracked at between 
>> 30 and 80 grams.  Although that's less than the 80 to 150 grams of the 
>> earlier acoustic reproducer period, it's still just too high for any of 
>> these hard needles.  They were especially deadly when used with the early 
>> vinyl 78s that were beginning to appear after WWII.  The proper 
>> technology for high tracking forces was the steel or tungsten wire needle 
>> when used with shellac records that contained abrasive fillers that were 
>> intended to quickly wear the needle into conformance with the groove 
>> shape.  But, of course, the steel needles needed to be changed with every 
>> record side or two.  Tungsten WIRE shaped needles are superior to the 
>> osmium tipped needles because the cylindrical wire shape retains the same 
>> cross-sectional area during the entire lifetime of the needle.  The 
>> osmium needles were tapered and as they wore they got a bigger cross 
>> section.  This is fine until the cross section gets too big to fit into 
>> the groove width which happens after just a few records are played. Then 
>> the needle forms shoulders that ride outside the groove and on the land 
>> of the record.  This lifts the needle out of close contact with the 
>> groove walls which leads to mistracking, distortion, and high record 
>> wear.  These hard needles, especially the sapphire and diamond ones don't 
>> wear down quickly, and instead wear the records.  These needles that were 
>> typical in this time period are the main reason that records that have 
>> survived from the '30s thru the '50s look worn and sound more distorted 
>> and worn than records that have survived from the teens and '20s and that 
>> were played properly with steel or tungsten wire needles.  The use of 
>> these hard needles only became proper when pickup tracking forces were 
>> reduced to 10 grams or less in the 1950s.  I don't feel comfortable using 
>> them even above about 5 grams.  Tracking forces of 1 to 2 grams became 
>> commonplace in the early 1960s, and jewel-tipped needles are perfectly 
>> satisfactory when used in these pickups.
>>
>>    The bottom line is, I would NOT recommend using hard needles in any 
>> pickup tracking at more than 10 grams if you want to preserve your 
>> records. When new, these needles will sound good for a while.  But they 
>> will be grinding the bejeezus out of your records if you are tracking 
>> them at 30 grams or more.  If you have a jukebox or record changer that 
>> operates at high tracking force, use tungsten wire needles.  Or change 
>> the pickup (and tonearm if necessary) to allow tracking forces below 10 
>> grams if you want to use jewel-tipped needles.  Osmium would also work in 
>> this application, but it will wear out after 20 sides or so, even at this 
>> tracking force.  Osmium is just a bad idea for just about any 
>> application.
>>
>> Greg Bogantz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kocsis" <chrisk33 at cox.net>
>> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:47 PM
>> Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
>>
>>
>>> Can anyone give me the lowdown on jukebox needles?  I bought some new 
>>> old stock Cole's coin machine needles with osmium tips.  The package 
>>> says the needle lasts many plays and doesn't have to be rotated.  I'm 
>>> also curious about the shape of the needle.  A couple of millimeters up 
>>> from the point, the metal is flattened into a pointed oval like a cobra 
>>> head and then resumes being cylindrical.  What is that for?
>>>
>>> Osmium is nearly as hard as tungsten and I've seen some references to 
>>> people cutting their own needles from tungsten wire and forming the 
>>> point by rubbing the cut end in a record groove while rotating it (which 
>>> seems astonishing).
>>>
>>> Is such hardness a good idea in a needle, or does it cause excessive 
>>> record wear?
>>> If these jukebox needles are safe to use, how do I tell when it's time 
>>> to change one?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phono-L mailing list
>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
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From jnichol at fuse.net  Thu Mar 11 17:38:27 2010
From: jnichol at fuse.net (Jim Nichol)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:38:27 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Vehicles
In-Reply-To: <e82cd3771003081658o7172613an74c61a3751bdcf44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <616899.17825.qm@web180106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<e82cd3771003081658o7172613an74c61a3751bdcf44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5B1A5101-EA8D-42E5-A58E-C48A4CAAB7E9@fuse.net>

That is great to know!  I am a big fan of Stanley Steamers.

Jim

On Mar 8, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Ken Danckaert wrote:

> You know that Emile Berliner drove a Stanley Steamer.  No batteries to worry
> about!
> 
> Ken Danckaert
> 
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 6:22 PM, jerry f bacon <artempo42 at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> 
>> I wonder if a Baker Electric could be fitted with these new batteries? I
>> don't have one.
>> 
>> Cheers from Dallas,Tx
>> Jerry F Bacon


From lherault at bu.edu  Fri Mar 12 08:33:36 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:33:36 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
In-Reply-To: <D2852774D61C47088C99B050DC808480@gbhpa1514n>
References: <4B984BBE.3060102@cox.net><14E3EC12D3864BD788D9762B52CB6446@gbhpa1514n>
	<4B986231.4080104@cox.net>
	<D2852774D61C47088C99B050DC808480@gbhpa1514n>
Message-ID: <005901cac201$c3eb8b30$4bc2a190$@edu>

I believe Victor also mentions using the lead out groove for shaping the tip
of the Tungstone.

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Bogantz
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:06 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?

Hi Chris,

    Yes, that's right.  There was no shaping of the end of the wire on 
Victor Tungstones.  I just confirmed that by looking at a couple of NOS 
Tungstones that I have.  The wire was sheared to essentially a flat end 
shape.  Victor advised playing a junk record first to shape the end of the 
wire before using a new needle to play good records.  Likewise, Victor 
advised reshaping the needle by playing a junk record if the user ever 
removed the needle and then remounted it in the reproducer.  The wire wears 
into the shape of the groove in just a minute or so of play, so the initial 
shape of it is irrelevant.

I failed to comment earlier specifically on the claim that osmium and other 
hard needles could be removed and remounted without a problem.  This is NOT 
correct, for the same reason that Victor advised reshaping their tungsten 
needles if they were remounted.  The needle tip wears into the "V" shape of 
the groove fairly quickly, depending on the hardness of the needle. 
Remounting the needle with exactly the same orientation as when it was 
removed is almost impossible.  After remounting, there is a very high 
probability that the misoriented needle will severely gouge the record for a

while until it is reformed to fit the groove, the moreso with the harder 
needles.  This is not so much of a problem with the tungsten wire needles as

they can be reformed in only about a minute of play with a junk record.

Greg Bogantz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Kocsis" <chrisk33 at cox.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?


> Thank you, Greg!
>
> Are you saying that tungsten wire shaped needles are just clipped lengths 
> of tungsten wire, without a point being formed on them before being used 
> to play a record?
>
> Chris
>
> Greg Bogantz wrote:
>>    Osmium tipped needles were a transitional style.  They were the 
>> cheapest "permanent" needle typically marketed in the late 1930s thru the

>> '50s.  The more expensive varieties of "permanent" needles were sapphire 
>> or ruby and the most expensive were diamond.  People were using record 
>> changers and didn't want to mess around with changing steel needles all 
>> the time, so these styles became popular.  The problem with all of these 
>> needles in that time period is that the pickups tracked at too high a 
>> force for any of them to be optimal with regard to record wear.  The 
>> magnetic and crystal pickups of that period typically tracked at between 
>> 30 and 80 grams.  Although that's less than the 80 to 150 grams of the 
>> earlier acoustic reproducer period, it's still just too high for any of 
>> these hard needles.  They were especially deadly when used with the early

>> vinyl 78s that were beginning to appear after WWII.  The proper 
>> technology for high tracking forces was the steel or tungsten wire needle

>> when used with shellac records that contained abrasive fillers that were 
>> intended to quickly wear the needle into conformance with the groove 
>> shape.  But, of course, the steel needles needed to be changed with every

>> record side or two.  Tungsten WIRE shaped needles are superior to the 
>> osmium tipped needles because the cylindrical wire shape retains the same

>> cross-sectional area during the entire lifetime of the needle.  The 
>> osmium needles were tapered and as they wore they got a bigger cross 
>> section.  This is fine until the cross section gets too big to fit into 
>> the groove width which happens after just a few records are played. Then 
>> the needle forms shoulders that ride outside the groove and on the land 
>> of the record.  This lifts the needle out of close contact with the 
>> groove walls which leads to mistracking, distortion, and high record 
>> wear.  These hard needles, especially the sapphire and diamond ones don't

>> wear down quickly, and instead wear the records.  These needles that were

>> typical in this time period are the main reason that records that have 
>> survived from the '30s thru the '50s look worn and sound more distorted 
>> and worn than records that have survived from the teens and '20s and that

>> were played properly with steel or tungsten wire needles.  The use of 
>> these hard needles only became proper when pickup tracking forces were 
>> reduced to 10 grams or less in the 1950s.  I don't feel comfortable using

>> them even above about 5 grams.  Tracking forces of 1 to 2 grams became 
>> commonplace in the early 1960s, and jewel-tipped needles are perfectly 
>> satisfactory when used in these pickups.
>>
>>    The bottom line is, I would NOT recommend using hard needles in any 
>> pickup tracking at more than 10 grams if you want to preserve your 
>> records. When new, these needles will sound good for a while.  But they 
>> will be grinding the bejeezus out of your records if you are tracking 
>> them at 30 grams or more.  If you have a jukebox or record changer that 
>> operates at high tracking force, use tungsten wire needles.  Or change 
>> the pickup (and tonearm if necessary) to allow tracking forces below 10 
>> grams if you want to use jewel-tipped needles.  Osmium would also work in

>> this application, but it will wear out after 20 sides or so, even at this

>> tracking force.  Osmium is just a bad idea for just about any 
>> application.
>>
>> Greg Bogantz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kocsis" <chrisk33 at cox.net>
>> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:47 PM
>> Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
>>
>>
>>> Can anyone give me the lowdown on jukebox needles?  I bought some new 
>>> old stock Cole's coin machine needles with osmium tips.  The package 
>>> says the needle lasts many plays and doesn't have to be rotated.  I'm 
>>> also curious about the shape of the needle.  A couple of millimeters up 
>>> from the point, the metal is flattened into a pointed oval like a cobra 
>>> head and then resumes being cylindrical.  What is that for?
>>>
>>> Osmium is nearly as hard as tungsten and I've seen some references to 
>>> people cutting their own needles from tungsten wire and forming the 
>>> point by rubbing the cut end in a record groove while rotating it (which

>>> seems astonishing).
>>>
>>> Is such hardness a good idea in a needle, or does it cause excessive 
>>> record wear?
>>> If these jukebox needles are safe to use, how do I tell when it's time 
>>> to change one?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phono-L mailing list
>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From cenfin at comcast.net  Fri Mar 12 10:36:30 2010
From: cenfin at comcast.net (Albert)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:36:30 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
In-Reply-To: <005901cac201$c3eb8b30$4bc2a190$@edu>
Message-ID: <20100312184404.36E4035B8DE@mail.intellitechcomputing.com>

Are tungstone needles being reproduced today for commercial sale?

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Ron L'Herault
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:34 AM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?

I believe Victor also mentions using the lead out groove for shaping the tip
of the Tungstone.

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Bogantz
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:06 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?

Hi Chris,

    Yes, that's right.  There was no shaping of the end of the wire on 
Victor Tungstones.  I just confirmed that by looking at a couple of NOS 
Tungstones that I have.  The wire was sheared to essentially a flat end 
shape.  Victor advised playing a junk record first to shape the end of the 
wire before using a new needle to play good records.  Likewise, Victor 
advised reshaping the needle by playing a junk record if the user ever 
removed the needle and then remounted it in the reproducer.  The wire wears 
into the shape of the groove in just a minute or so of play, so the initial 
shape of it is irrelevant.

I failed to comment earlier specifically on the claim that osmium and other 
hard needles could be removed and remounted without a problem.  This is NOT 
correct, for the same reason that Victor advised reshaping their tungsten 
needles if they were remounted.  The needle tip wears into the "V" shape of 
the groove fairly quickly, depending on the hardness of the needle. 
Remounting the needle with exactly the same orientation as when it was 
removed is almost impossible.  After remounting, there is a very high 
probability that the misoriented needle will severely gouge the record for a

while until it is reformed to fit the groove, the moreso with the harder 
needles.  This is not so much of a problem with the tungsten wire needles as

they can be reformed in only about a minute of play with a junk record.

Greg Bogantz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Kocsis" <chrisk33 at cox.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?


> Thank you, Greg!
>
> Are you saying that tungsten wire shaped needles are just clipped lengths 
> of tungsten wire, without a point being formed on them before being used 
> to play a record?
>
> Chris
>
> Greg Bogantz wrote:
>>    Osmium tipped needles were a transitional style.  They were the 
>> cheapest "permanent" needle typically marketed in the late 1930s thru the

>> '50s.  The more expensive varieties of "permanent" needles were sapphire 
>> or ruby and the most expensive were diamond.  People were using record 
>> changers and didn't want to mess around with changing steel needles all 
>> the time, so these styles became popular.  The problem with all of these 
>> needles in that time period is that the pickups tracked at too high a 
>> force for any of them to be optimal with regard to record wear.  The 
>> magnetic and crystal pickups of that period typically tracked at between 
>> 30 and 80 grams.  Although that's less than the 80 to 150 grams of the 
>> earlier acoustic reproducer period, it's still just too high for any of 
>> these hard needles.  They were especially deadly when used with the early

>> vinyl 78s that were beginning to appear after WWII.  The proper 
>> technology for high tracking forces was the steel or tungsten wire needle

>> when used with shellac records that contained abrasive fillers that were 
>> intended to quickly wear the needle into conformance with the groove 
>> shape.  But, of course, the steel needles needed to be changed with every

>> record side or two.  Tungsten WIRE shaped needles are superior to the 
>> osmium tipped needles because the cylindrical wire shape retains the same

>> cross-sectional area during the entire lifetime of the needle.  The 
>> osmium needles were tapered and as they wore they got a bigger cross 
>> section.  This is fine until the cross section gets too big to fit into 
>> the groove width which happens after just a few records are played. Then 
>> the needle forms shoulders that ride outside the groove and on the land 
>> of the record.  This lifts the needle out of close contact with the 
>> groove walls which leads to mistracking, distortion, and high record 
>> wear.  These hard needles, especially the sapphire and diamond ones don't

>> wear down quickly, and instead wear the records.  These needles that were

>> typical in this time period are the main reason that records that have 
>> survived from the '30s thru the '50s look worn and sound more distorted 
>> and worn than records that have survived from the teens and '20s and that

>> were played properly with steel or tungsten wire needles.  The use of 
>> these hard needles only became proper when pickup tracking forces were 
>> reduced to 10 grams or less in the 1950s.  I don't feel comfortable using

>> them even above about 5 grams.  Tracking forces of 1 to 2 grams became 
>> commonplace in the early 1960s, and jewel-tipped needles are perfectly 
>> satisfactory when used in these pickups.
>>
>>    The bottom line is, I would NOT recommend using hard needles in any 
>> pickup tracking at more than 10 grams if you want to preserve your 
>> records. When new, these needles will sound good for a while.  But they 
>> will be grinding the bejeezus out of your records if you are tracking 
>> them at 30 grams or more.  If you have a jukebox or record changer that 
>> operates at high tracking force, use tungsten wire needles.  Or change 
>> the pickup (and tonearm if necessary) to allow tracking forces below 10 
>> grams if you want to use jewel-tipped needles.  Osmium would also work in

>> this application, but it will wear out after 20 sides or so, even at this

>> tracking force.  Osmium is just a bad idea for just about any 
>> application.
>>
>> Greg Bogantz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kocsis" <chrisk33 at cox.net>
>> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:47 PM
>> Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
>>
>>
>>> Can anyone give me the lowdown on jukebox needles?  I bought some new 
>>> old stock Cole's coin machine needles with osmium tips.  The package 
>>> says the needle lasts many plays and doesn't have to be rotated.  I'm 
>>> also curious about the shape of the needle.  A couple of millimeters up 
>>> from the point, the metal is flattened into a pointed oval like a cobra 
>>> head and then resumes being cylindrical.  What is that for?
>>>
>>> Osmium is nearly as hard as tungsten and I've seen some references to 
>>> people cutting their own needles from tungsten wire and forming the 
>>> point by rubbing the cut end in a record groove while rotating it (which

>>> seems astonishing).
>>>
>>> Is such hardness a good idea in a needle, or does it cause excessive 
>>> record wear?
>>> If these jukebox needles are safe to use, how do I tell when it's time 
>>> to change one?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phono-L mailing list
>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org 

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From lherault at bu.edu  Fri Mar 12 14:03:55 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:03:55 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
In-Reply-To: <20100312184404.36E4035B8DE@mail.intellitechcomputing.com>
References: <005901cac201$c3eb8b30$4bc2a190$@edu>
	<20100312184404.36E4035B8DE@mail.intellitechcomputing.com>
Message-ID: <007401cac22f$e90809b0$bb181d10$@edu>

No, and I did try and interest a company in making them.  If you do a patent
search, you will find the machines developed to shear the tungsten wire and
swage it into the end of the needles shank too.  The machines had to have
been made.  I wonder if they fell victim to scrap metal drives or something.

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Albert
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:37 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?

Are tungstone needles being reproduced today for commercial sale?

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Ron L'Herault
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:34 AM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?

I believe Victor also mentions using the lead out groove for shaping the tip
of the Tungstone.

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Bogantz
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:06 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?

Hi Chris,

    Yes, that's right.  There was no shaping of the end of the wire on 
Victor Tungstones.  I just confirmed that by looking at a couple of NOS 
Tungstones that I have.  The wire was sheared to essentially a flat end 
shape.  Victor advised playing a junk record first to shape the end of the 
wire before using a new needle to play good records.  Likewise, Victor 
advised reshaping the needle by playing a junk record if the user ever 
removed the needle and then remounted it in the reproducer.  The wire wears 
into the shape of the groove in just a minute or so of play, so the initial 
shape of it is irrelevant.

I failed to comment earlier specifically on the claim that osmium and other 
hard needles could be removed and remounted without a problem.  This is NOT 
correct, for the same reason that Victor advised reshaping their tungsten 
needles if they were remounted.  The needle tip wears into the "V" shape of 
the groove fairly quickly, depending on the hardness of the needle. 
Remounting the needle with exactly the same orientation as when it was 
removed is almost impossible.  After remounting, there is a very high 
probability that the misoriented needle will severely gouge the record for a

while until it is reformed to fit the groove, the moreso with the harder 
needles.  This is not so much of a problem with the tungsten wire needles as

they can be reformed in only about a minute of play with a junk record.

Greg Bogantz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Kocsis" <chrisk33 at cox.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?


> Thank you, Greg!
>
> Are you saying that tungsten wire shaped needles are just clipped lengths 
> of tungsten wire, without a point being formed on them before being used 
> to play a record?
>
> Chris
>
> Greg Bogantz wrote:
>>    Osmium tipped needles were a transitional style.  They were the 
>> cheapest "permanent" needle typically marketed in the late 1930s thru the

>> '50s.  The more expensive varieties of "permanent" needles were sapphire 
>> or ruby and the most expensive were diamond.  People were using record 
>> changers and didn't want to mess around with changing steel needles all 
>> the time, so these styles became popular.  The problem with all of these 
>> needles in that time period is that the pickups tracked at too high a 
>> force for any of them to be optimal with regard to record wear.  The 
>> magnetic and crystal pickups of that period typically tracked at between 
>> 30 and 80 grams.  Although that's less than the 80 to 150 grams of the 
>> earlier acoustic reproducer period, it's still just too high for any of 
>> these hard needles.  They were especially deadly when used with the early

>> vinyl 78s that were beginning to appear after WWII.  The proper 
>> technology for high tracking forces was the steel or tungsten wire needle

>> when used with shellac records that contained abrasive fillers that were 
>> intended to quickly wear the needle into conformance with the groove 
>> shape.  But, of course, the steel needles needed to be changed with every

>> record side or two.  Tungsten WIRE shaped needles are superior to the 
>> osmium tipped needles because the cylindrical wire shape retains the same

>> cross-sectional area during the entire lifetime of the needle.  The 
>> osmium needles were tapered and as they wore they got a bigger cross 
>> section.  This is fine until the cross section gets too big to fit into 
>> the groove width which happens after just a few records are played. Then 
>> the needle forms shoulders that ride outside the groove and on the land 
>> of the record.  This lifts the needle out of close contact with the 
>> groove walls which leads to mistracking, distortion, and high record 
>> wear.  These hard needles, especially the sapphire and diamond ones don't

>> wear down quickly, and instead wear the records.  These needles that were

>> typical in this time period are the main reason that records that have 
>> survived from the '30s thru the '50s look worn and sound more distorted 
>> and worn than records that have survived from the teens and '20s and that

>> were played properly with steel or tungsten wire needles.  The use of 
>> these hard needles only became proper when pickup tracking forces were 
>> reduced to 10 grams or less in the 1950s.  I don't feel comfortable using

>> them even above about 5 grams.  Tracking forces of 1 to 2 grams became 
>> commonplace in the early 1960s, and jewel-tipped needles are perfectly 
>> satisfactory when used in these pickups.
>>
>>    The bottom line is, I would NOT recommend using hard needles in any 
>> pickup tracking at more than 10 grams if you want to preserve your 
>> records. When new, these needles will sound good for a while.  But they 
>> will be grinding the bejeezus out of your records if you are tracking 
>> them at 30 grams or more.  If you have a jukebox or record changer that 
>> operates at high tracking force, use tungsten wire needles.  Or change 
>> the pickup (and tonearm if necessary) to allow tracking forces below 10 
>> grams if you want to use jewel-tipped needles.  Osmium would also work in

>> this application, but it will wear out after 20 sides or so, even at this

>> tracking force.  Osmium is just a bad idea for just about any 
>> application.
>>
>> Greg Bogantz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kocsis" <chrisk33 at cox.net>
>> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:47 PM
>> Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
>>
>>
>>> Can anyone give me the lowdown on jukebox needles?  I bought some new 
>>> old stock Cole's coin machine needles with osmium tips.  The package 
>>> says the needle lasts many plays and doesn't have to be rotated.  I'm 
>>> also curious about the shape of the needle.  A couple of millimeters up 
>>> from the point, the metal is flattened into a pointed oval like a cobra 
>>> head and then resumes being cylindrical.  What is that for?
>>>
>>> Osmium is nearly as hard as tungsten and I've seen some references to 
>>> people cutting their own needles from tungsten wire and forming the 
>>> point by rubbing the cut end in a record groove while rotating it (which

>>> seems astonishing).
>>>
>>> Is such hardness a good idea in a needle, or does it cause excessive 
>>> record wear?
>>> If these jukebox needles are safe to use, how do I tell when it's time 
>>> to change one?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phono-L mailing list
>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
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From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Fri Mar 12 16:42:52 2010
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:42:52 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
In-Reply-To: <007401cac22f$e90809b0$bb181d10$@edu>
References: <005901cac201$c3eb8b30$4bc2a190$@edu>	<20100312184404.36E4035B8DE@mail.intellitechcomputing.com>
	<007401cac22f$e90809b0$bb181d10$@edu>
Message-ID: <4B9ADF8C.10205@octoxol.com>

Probably sent to Japan or Germany.

Ron L'Herault wrote:
> No, and I did try and interest a company in making them.  If you do a patent
> search, you will find the machines developed to shear the tungsten wire and
> swage it into the end of the needles shank too.  The machines had to have
> been made.  I wonder if they fell victim to scrap metal drives or something.
> 
> Ron L
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
> Behalf Of Albert
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:37 PM
> To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
> 
> Are tungstone needles being reproduced today for commercial sale?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron L'Herault
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:34 AM
> To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
> 
> I believe Victor also mentions using the lead out groove for shaping the tip
> of the Tungstone.
> 
> Ron L
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
> Behalf Of Greg Bogantz
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:06 PM
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
>     Yes, that's right.  There was no shaping of the end of the wire on 
> Victor Tungstones.  I just confirmed that by looking at a couple of NOS 
> Tungstones that I have.  The wire was sheared to essentially a flat end 
> shape.  Victor advised playing a junk record first to shape the end of the 
> wire before using a new needle to play good records.  Likewise, Victor 
> advised reshaping the needle by playing a junk record if the user ever 
> removed the needle and then remounted it in the reproducer.  The wire wears 
> into the shape of the groove in just a minute or so of play, so the initial 
> shape of it is irrelevant.
> 
> I failed to comment earlier specifically on the claim that osmium and other 
> hard needles could be removed and remounted without a problem.  This is NOT 
> correct, for the same reason that Victor advised reshaping their tungsten 
> needles if they were remounted.  The needle tip wears into the "V" shape of 
> the groove fairly quickly, depending on the hardness of the needle. 
> Remounting the needle with exactly the same orientation as when it was 
> removed is almost impossible.  After remounting, there is a very high 
> probability that the misoriented needle will severely gouge the record for a
> 
> while until it is reformed to fit the groove, the moreso with the harder 
> needles.  This is not so much of a problem with the tungsten wire needles as
> 
> they can be reformed in only about a minute of play with a junk record.
> 
> Greg Bogantz
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Kocsis" <chrisk33 at cox.net>
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
> 
> 
>> Thank you, Greg!
>>
>> Are you saying that tungsten wire shaped needles are just clipped lengths 
>> of tungsten wire, without a point being formed on them before being used 
>> to play a record?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Greg Bogantz wrote:
>>>    Osmium tipped needles were a transitional style.  They were the 
>>> cheapest "permanent" needle typically marketed in the late 1930s thru the
> 
>>> '50s.  The more expensive varieties of "permanent" needles were sapphire 
>>> or ruby and the most expensive were diamond.  People were using record 
>>> changers and didn't want to mess around with changing steel needles all 
>>> the time, so these styles became popular.  The problem with all of these 
>>> needles in that time period is that the pickups tracked at too high a 
>>> force for any of them to be optimal with regard to record wear.  The 
>>> magnetic and crystal pickups of that period typically tracked at between 
>>> 30 and 80 grams.  Although that's less than the 80 to 150 grams of the 
>>> earlier acoustic reproducer period, it's still just too high for any of 
>>> these hard needles.  They were especially deadly when used with the early
> 
>>> vinyl 78s that were beginning to appear after WWII.  The proper 
>>> technology for high tracking forces was the steel or tungsten wire needle
> 
>>> when used with shellac records that contained abrasive fillers that were 
>>> intended to quickly wear the needle into conformance with the groove 
>>> shape.  But, of course, the steel needles needed to be changed with every
> 
>>> record side or two.  Tungsten WIRE shaped needles are superior to the 
>>> osmium tipped needles because the cylindrical wire shape retains the same
> 
>>> cross-sectional area during the entire lifetime of the needle.  The 
>>> osmium needles were tapered and as they wore they got a bigger cross 
>>> section.  This is fine until the cross section gets too big to fit into 
>>> the groove width which happens after just a few records are played. Then 
>>> the needle forms shoulders that ride outside the groove and on the land 
>>> of the record.  This lifts the needle out of close contact with the 
>>> groove walls which leads to mistracking, distortion, and high record 
>>> wear.  These hard needles, especially the sapphire and diamond ones don't
> 
>>> wear down quickly, and instead wear the records.  These needles that were
> 
>>> typical in this time period are the main reason that records that have 
>>> survived from the '30s thru the '50s look worn and sound more distorted 
>>> and worn than records that have survived from the teens and '20s and that
> 
>>> were played properly with steel or tungsten wire needles.  The use of 
>>> these hard needles only became proper when pickup tracking forces were 
>>> reduced to 10 grams or less in the 1950s.  I don't feel comfortable using
> 
>>> them even above about 5 grams.  Tracking forces of 1 to 2 grams became 
>>> commonplace in the early 1960s, and jewel-tipped needles are perfectly 
>>> satisfactory when used in these pickups.
>>>
>>>    The bottom line is, I would NOT recommend using hard needles in any 
>>> pickup tracking at more than 10 grams if you want to preserve your 
>>> records. When new, these needles will sound good for a while.  But they 
>>> will be grinding the bejeezus out of your records if you are tracking 
>>> them at 30 grams or more.  If you have a jukebox or record changer that 
>>> operates at high tracking force, use tungsten wire needles.  Or change 
>>> the pickup (and tonearm if necessary) to allow tracking forces below 10 
>>> grams if you want to use jewel-tipped needles.  Osmium would also work in
> 
>>> this application, but it will wear out after 20 sides or so, even at this
> 
>>> tracking force.  Osmium is just a bad idea for just about any 
>>> application.
>>>
>>> Greg Bogantz
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kocsis" <chrisk33 at cox.net>
>>> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:47 PM
>>> Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Can anyone give me the lowdown on jukebox needles?  I bought some new 
>>>> old stock Cole's coin machine needles with osmium tips.  The package 
>>>> says the needle lasts many plays and doesn't have to be rotated.  I'm 
>>>> also curious about the shape of the needle.  A couple of millimeters up 
>>>> from the point, the metal is flattened into a pointed oval like a cobra 
>>>> head and then resumes being cylindrical.  What is that for?
>>>>
>>>> Osmium is nearly as hard as tungsten and I've seen some references to 
>>>> people cutting their own needles from tungsten wire and forming the 
>>>> point by rubbing the cut end in a record groove while rotating it (which
> 
>>>> seems astonishing).
>>>>
>>>> Is such hardness a good idea in a needle, or does it cause excessive 
>>>> record wear?
>>>> If these jukebox needles are safe to use, how do I tell when it's time 
>>>> to change one?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Phono-L mailing list
>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phono-L mailing list
>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From vinyl.visions at live.com  Fri Mar 12 18:22:58 2010
From: vinyl.visions at live.com (Curt Angstman)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:22:58 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
In-Reply-To: <4B9ADF8C.10205@octoxol.com>
References: <005901cac201$c3eb8b30$4bc2a190$@edu>
	<20100312184404.36E4035B8DE@mail.intellitechcomputing.com>,
	<007401cac22f$e90809b0$bb181d10$@edu>, <4B9ADF8C.10205@octoxol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU132-W161C3925A41D96CC245AEB9E300@phx.gbl>


Here's a company still making phonograph needles and tins:

http://www.axfil.fr/needle/needle-phonograph.htm#Sp
 
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:42:52 -0600
> From: rich-mail at octoxol.com
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
> 
> Probably sent to Japan or Germany.
> 
> Ron L'Herault wrote:
> > No, and I did try and interest a company in making them. If you do a patent
> > search, you will find the machines developed to shear the tungsten wire and
> > swage it into the end of the needles shank too. The machines had to have
> > been made. I wonder if they fell victim to scrap metal drives or something.
> > 
> > Ron L
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
> > Behalf Of Albert
> > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:37 PM
> > To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
> > 
> > Are tungstone needles being reproduced today for commercial sale?
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
> > Behalf Of Ron L'Herault
> > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:34 AM
> > To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
> > 
> > I believe Victor also mentions using the lead out groove for shaping the tip
> > of the Tungstone.
> > 
> > Ron L
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
> > Behalf Of Greg Bogantz
> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:06 PM
> > To: Antique Phonograph List
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
> > 
> > Hi Chris,
> > 
> > Yes, that's right. There was no shaping of the end of the wire on 
> > Victor Tungstones. I just confirmed that by looking at a couple of NOS 
> > Tungstones that I have. The wire was sheared to essentially a flat end 
> > shape. Victor advised playing a junk record first to shape the end of the 
> > wire before using a new needle to play good records. Likewise, Victor 
> > advised reshaping the needle by playing a junk record if the user ever 
> > removed the needle and then remounted it in the reproducer. The wire wears 
> > into the shape of the groove in just a minute or so of play, so the initial 
> > shape of it is irrelevant.
> > 
> > I failed to comment earlier specifically on the claim that osmium and other 
> > hard needles could be removed and remounted without a problem. This is NOT 
> > correct, for the same reason that Victor advised reshaping their tungsten 
> > needles if they were remounted. The needle tip wears into the "V" shape of 
> > the groove fairly quickly, depending on the hardness of the needle. 
> > Remounting the needle with exactly the same orientation as when it was 
> > removed is almost impossible. After remounting, there is a very high 
> > probability that the misoriented needle will severely gouge the record for a
> > 
> > while until it is reformed to fit the groove, the moreso with the harder 
> > needles. This is not so much of a problem with the tungsten wire needles as
> > 
> > they can be reformed in only about a minute of play with a junk record.
> > 
> > Greg Bogantz
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Chris Kocsis" <chrisk33 at cox.net>
> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
> > 
> > 
> >> Thank you, Greg!
> >>
> >> Are you saying that tungsten wire shaped needles are just clipped lengths 
> >> of tungsten wire, without a point being formed on them before being used 
> >> to play a record?
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> Greg Bogantz wrote:
> >>> Osmium tipped needles were a transitional style. They were the 
> >>> cheapest "permanent" needle typically marketed in the late 1930s thru the
> > 
> >>> '50s. The more expensive varieties of "permanent" needles were sapphire 
> >>> or ruby and the most expensive were diamond. People were using record 
> >>> changers and didn't want to mess around with changing steel needles all 
> >>> the time, so these styles became popular. The problem with all of these 
> >>> needles in that time period is that the pickups tracked at too high a 
> >>> force for any of them to be optimal with regard to record wear. The 
> >>> magnetic and crystal pickups of that period typically tracked at between 
> >>> 30 and 80 grams. Although that's less than the 80 to 150 grams of the 
> >>> earlier acoustic reproducer period, it's still just too high for any of 
> >>> these hard needles. They were especially deadly when used with the early
> > 
> >>> vinyl 78s that were beginning to appear after WWII. The proper 
> >>> technology for high tracking forces was the steel or tungsten wire needle
> > 
> >>> when used with shellac records that contained abrasive fillers that were 
> >>> intended to quickly wear the needle into conformance with the groove 
> >>> shape. But, of course, the steel needles needed to be changed with every
> > 
> >>> record side or two. Tungsten WIRE shaped needles are superior to the 
> >>> osmium tipped needles because the cylindrical wire shape retains the same
> > 
> >>> cross-sectional area during the entire lifetime of the needle. The 
> >>> osmium needles were tapered and as they wore they got a bigger cross 
> >>> section. This is fine until the cross section gets too big to fit into 
> >>> the groove width which happens after just a few records are played. Then 
> >>> the needle forms shoulders that ride outside the groove and on the land 
> >>> of the record. This lifts the needle out of close contact with the 
> >>> groove walls which leads to mistracking, distortion, and high record 
> >>> wear. These hard needles, especially the sapphire and diamond ones don't
> > 
> >>> wear down quickly, and instead wear the records. These needles that were
> > 
> >>> typical in this time period are the main reason that records that have 
> >>> survived from the '30s thru the '50s look worn and sound more distorted 
> >>> and worn than records that have survived from the teens and '20s and that
> > 
> >>> were played properly with steel or tungsten wire needles. The use of 
> >>> these hard needles only became proper when pickup tracking forces were 
> >>> reduced to 10 grams or less in the 1950s. I don't feel comfortable using
> > 
> >>> them even above about 5 grams. Tracking forces of 1 to 2 grams became 
> >>> commonplace in the early 1960s, and jewel-tipped needles are perfectly 
> >>> satisfactory when used in these pickups.
> >>>
> >>> The bottom line is, I would NOT recommend using hard needles in any 
> >>> pickup tracking at more than 10 grams if you want to preserve your 
> >>> records. When new, these needles will sound good for a while. But they 
> >>> will be grinding the bejeezus out of your records if you are tracking 
> >>> them at 30 grams or more. If you have a jukebox or record changer that 
> >>> operates at high tracking force, use tungsten wire needles. Or change 
> >>> the pickup (and tonearm if necessary) to allow tracking forces below 10 
> >>> grams if you want to use jewel-tipped needles. Osmium would also work in
> > 
> >>> this application, but it will wear out after 20 sides or so, even at this
> > 
> >>> tracking force. Osmium is just a bad idea for just about any 
> >>> application.
> >>>
> >>> Greg Bogantz
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kocsis" <chrisk33 at cox.net>
> >>> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:47 PM
> >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Can anyone give me the lowdown on jukebox needles? I bought some new 
> >>>> old stock Cole's coin machine needles with osmium tips. The package 
> >>>> says the needle lasts many plays and doesn't have to be rotated. I'm 
> >>>> also curious about the shape of the needle. A couple of millimeters up 
> >>>> from the point, the metal is flattened into a pointed oval like a cobra 
> >>>> head and then resumes being cylindrical. What is that for?
> >>>>
> >>>> Osmium is nearly as hard as tungsten and I've seen some references to 
> >>>> people cutting their own needles from tungsten wire and forming the 
> >>>> point by rubbing the cut end in a record groove while rotating it (which
> > 
> >>>> seems astonishing).
> >>>>
> >>>> Is such hardness a good idea in a needle, or does it cause excessive 
> >>>> record wear?
> >>>> If these jukebox needles are safe to use, how do I tell when it's time 
> >>>> to change one?
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Phono-L mailing list
> >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Phono-L mailing list
> >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> > 
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> > 
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From appywander at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 14 10:06:30 2010
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:06:30 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Attn: Greg Bogantz
Message-ID: <SNT138-w2204CD2B0A1F0022772CD0DC2F0@phx.gbl>

Hi Greg,
Please call me at five-oh-two-four-one-zero-nine-two-six-nine or email me at appywander 'at' hotmail 'dot' com.
It's a little time-sensitive so sooner is better than later.

John
 		 	   		  

From appywander at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 14 10:12:37 2010
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:12:37 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Attn. Greg Bogantz
Message-ID: <SNT138-w6084E83B54D3AC34019E7EDC2F0@phx.gbl>

Hi Greg,
Please call me at five-oh-two-four-one-zero-nine-two-six-nine or email me at appywander 'at' hotmail 'dot' com.

This is time sensitive so sooner is better than later.

John
 		 	   		  

From gabrielmarro at telefonica.net  Sun Mar 14 13:34:01 2010
From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net (Gabriel Marro)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:34:01 +0100
Subject: [Phono-L] Where to buy Labtone
In-Reply-To: <528281.73629.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <528281.73629.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B8A05101-FF82-40EB-8D96-B00B48959A5C@telefonica.net>

Can anyone help me to find where to buy Labtone cleaner? I have read about cleaning wax cylinders using labtone and want to buy a bottle, but in wvrlabshop.com there are no options for europeans, nor I can send a question if not selecting USA or Canada as my country. I live in Spain and want to know how can I buy it from here. Do you know any shop that send overseas?

Thanks in advance,

Gabriel.


From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Sun Mar 14 14:21:44 2010
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:21:44 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Where to buy Labtone
In-Reply-To: <B8A05101-FF82-40EB-8D96-B00B48959A5C@telefonica.net>
References: <528281.73629.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B8A05101-FF82-40EB-8D96-B00B48959A5C@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <4B9D5368.1010100@octoxol.com>

It is not exportable and is hard to get in this country unless you can 
look like a commercial user.  Try Alconox which is at least available 
from some sources.  If that fails the soap used for hand brush washing 
beer glasses will do just fine, and its much cheaper.  You can get it 
from your local bar or from the supply store where they buy it.

Gabriel Marro wrote:
> Can anyone help me to find where to buy Labtone cleaner? I have read about cleaning wax cylinders using labtone and want to buy a bottle, but in wvrlabshop.com there are no options for europeans, nor I can send a question if not selecting USA or Canada as my country. I live in Spain and want to know how can I buy it from here. Do you know any shop that send overseas?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Gabriel.
> 
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> 
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From gabrielmarro at telefonica.net  Sun Mar 14 15:06:00 2010
From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net (Gabriel Marro)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:06:00 +0100
Subject: [Phono-L] Where to buy Labtone
In-Reply-To: <4B9D5368.1010100@octoxol.com>
References: <528281.73629.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B8A05101-FF82-40EB-8D96-B00B48959A5C@telefonica.net>
	<4B9D5368.1010100@octoxol.com>
Message-ID: <F375F9C2-3F31-499B-AF13-961E4BFF4854@telefonica.net>

Thank you very much. 

I have seen different products from Alcanox for laboratory cleaning:
LIQUI-NOX: phosphate-free to eliminate phosphate interference
ALCOTABS: free rinsing for difficult pipette cleaning
CITRANOX: enhanced acid for safer cleaning of trace metal residues
SOLUJET: low-foaming, phosphate-free, liquid, alkaline detergent for laboratory washers
TERGAJET: low-foaming, phosphate-free, powdered, alkaline detergent for laboratory washers
CITRAJET: low-foaming, phosphate-free. liquid, acid rinse and trace metal cleaner for lab washers
do you know wich one is good for wax cylinders?

I didn't know the hand brush washing beer glasses they use in my local bar is different from the soap I use at home for my own beer glasses. 

Gabriel.



El 14/03/2010, a las 22:21, Rich escribi?:

> It is not exportable and is hard to get in this country unless you can look like a commercial user.  Try Alconox which is at least available from some sources.  If that fails the soap used for hand brush washing beer glasses will do just fine, and its much cheaper.  You can get it from your local bar or from the supply store where they buy it.
> 
> Gabriel Marro wrote:
>> Can anyone help me to find where to buy Labtone cleaner? I have read about cleaning wax cylinders using labtone and want to buy a bottle, but in wvrlabshop.com there are no options for europeans, nor I can send a question if not selecting USA or Canada as my country. I live in Spain and want to know how can I buy it from here. Do you know any shop that send overseas?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Gabriel.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> _______________________________________________
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From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Sun Mar 14 15:07:04 2010
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:07:04 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Attn: Greg Bogantz
In-Reply-To: <SNT138-w2204CD2B0A1F0022772CD0DC2F0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT138-w2204CD2B0A1F0022772CD0DC2F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B9D5E08.4050309@octoxol.com>

try this
gbogantz1 at charter.net

John Maeder wrote:
> Hi Greg,
> Please call me at five-oh-two-four-one-zero-nine-two-six-nine or email me at appywander 'at' hotmail 'dot' com.
> It's a little time-sensitive so sooner is better than later.
> 
> John
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From abefeder1 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 15:02:06 2010
From: abefeder1 at gmail.com (Abe Feder)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:02:06 -0700
Subject: [Phono-L] Where to buy Labtone
In-Reply-To: <B8A05101-FF82-40EB-8D96-B00B48959A5C@telefonica.net>
References: <528281.73629.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B8A05101-FF82-40EB-8D96-B00B48959A5C@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <4e885f141003141502v42268c46uef6f80201eaccd06@mail.gmail.com>

Gabriel, Labtone is a powder that you mix with distilled water you can order
it from V W R International. I just googled them and they have shipping
points all over the world. Item # is R3501-44/8vwr-that is the number for
8lbs and if you order that amount you will have enough for most of your
life. I have given some away cleaned over a 1000 cylinders and 2000 records
and still have a couple of pounds left
Abe Feder
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Gabriel Marro
<gabrielmarro at telefonica.net>wrote:

> Can anyone help me to find where to buy Labtone cleaner? I have read about
> cleaning wax cylinders using labtone and want to buy a bottle, but in
> wvrlabshop.com there are no options for europeans, nor I can send a
> question if not selecting USA or Canada as my country. I live in Spain and
> want to know how can I buy it from here. Do you know any shop that send
> overseas?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Gabriel.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
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>

From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Sun Mar 14 15:28:52 2010
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:28:52 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Where to buy Labtone
In-Reply-To: <F375F9C2-3F31-499B-AF13-961E4BFF4854@telefonica.net>
References: <528281.73629.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<B8A05101-FF82-40EB-8D96-B00B48959A5C@telefonica.net>	<4B9D5368.1010100@octoxol.com>
	<F375F9C2-3F31-499B-AF13-961E4BFF4854@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <4B9D6324.2020806@octoxol.com>

I have used the plain Alconox Detergent powder.  The commercial beer 
glass soap/cleaner for hand washing is as potent as the Alconox or 
labtone and you miss the pleasure of buying a case of the stuff. 
Actually, the beer glass cleaner will take lipstick off of glassware by 
just dipping and the other 2 will not really cut into it as fast.  I 
have used all 3 of them and they all work.  Just remember this, if 
washing 4 min wax any temperature differential between record and water 
will result in record disassembly.  The records to be washed and the 
water for wash and rinse have to all be at the same temperature, 
exactly.  And you will still have a few fall apart.

Gabriel Marro wrote:
> Thank you very much. 
> 
> I have seen different products from Alcanox for laboratory cleaning:
> LIQUI-NOX: phosphate-free to eliminate phosphate interference
> ALCOTABS: free rinsing for difficult pipette cleaning
> CITRANOX: enhanced acid for safer cleaning of trace metal residues
> SOLUJET: low-foaming, phosphate-free, liquid, alkaline detergent for laboratory washers
> TERGAJET: low-foaming, phosphate-free, powdered, alkaline detergent for laboratory washers
> CITRAJET: low-foaming, phosphate-free. liquid, acid rinse and trace metal cleaner for lab washers
> do you know wich one is good for wax cylinders?
> 
> I didn't know the hand brush washing beer glasses they use in my local bar is different from the soap I use at home for my own beer glasses. 
> 
> Gabriel.
> 
> 
> 
> El 14/03/2010, a las 22:21, Rich escribi?:
> 
>> It is not exportable and is hard to get in this country unless you can look like a commercial user.  Try Alconox which is at least available from some sources.  If that fails the soap used for hand brush washing beer glasses will do just fine, and its much cheaper.  You can get it from your local bar or from the supply store where they buy it.
>>
>> Gabriel Marro wrote:
>>> Can anyone help me to find where to buy Labtone cleaner? I have read about cleaning wax cylinders using labtone and want to buy a bottle, but in wvrlabshop.com there are no options for europeans, nor I can send a question if not selecting USA or Canada as my country. I live in Spain and want to know how can I buy it from here. Do you know any shop that send overseas?
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Gabriel.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phono-L mailing list
>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 

From abefeder1 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 15:40:35 2010
From: abefeder1 at gmail.com (Abe Feder)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:40:35 -0700
Subject: [Phono-L] Where to buy Labtone
In-Reply-To: <4B9D6324.2020806@octoxol.com>
References: <528281.73629.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B8A05101-FF82-40EB-8D96-B00B48959A5C@telefonica.net>
	<4B9D5368.1010100@octoxol.com>
	<F375F9C2-3F31-499B-AF13-961E4BFF4854@telefonica.net>
	<4B9D6324.2020806@octoxol.com>
Message-ID: <4e885f141003141540n6fa4b50bw15bba7137334535@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
The Library of Congress did test a number of other products including
Alconox Detergent powder and settled on Labtone it has a lower possible
residue factor-complete chemical analysis is available through V W R
Abe

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Rich <rich-mail at octoxol.com> wrote:

> I have used the plain Alconox Detergent powder.  The commercial beer glass
> soap/cleaner for hand washing is as potent as the Alconox or labtone and you
> miss the pleasure of buying a case of the stuff. Actually, the beer glass
> cleaner will take lipstick off of glassware by just dipping and the other 2
> will not really cut into it as fast.  I have used all 3 of them and they all
> work.  Just remember this, if washing 4 min wax any temperature differential
> between record and water will result in record disassembly.  The records to
> be washed and the water for wash and rinse have to all be at the same
> temperature, exactly.  And you will still have a few fall apart.
>
> Gabriel Marro wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much.
>> I have seen different products from Alcanox for laboratory cleaning:
>> LIQUI-NOX: phosphate-free to eliminate phosphate interference
>> ALCOTABS: free rinsing for difficult pipette cleaning
>> CITRANOX: enhanced acid for safer cleaning of trace metal residues
>> SOLUJET: low-foaming, phosphate-free, liquid, alkaline detergent for
>> laboratory washers
>> TERGAJET: low-foaming, phosphate-free, powdered, alkaline detergent for
>> laboratory washers
>> CITRAJET: low-foaming, phosphate-free. liquid, acid rinse and trace metal
>> cleaner for lab washers
>> do you know wich one is good for wax cylinders?
>>
>> I didn't know the hand brush washing beer glasses they use in my local bar
>> is different from the soap I use at home for my own beer glasses.
>> Gabriel.
>>
>>
>>
>> El 14/03/2010, a las 22:21, Rich escribi?:
>>
>>  It is not exportable and is hard to get in this country unless you can
>>> look like a commercial user.  Try Alconox which is at least available from
>>> some sources.  If that fails the soap used for hand brush washing beer
>>> glasses will do just fine, and its much cheaper.  You can get it from your
>>> local bar or from the supply store where they buy it.
>>>
>>> Gabriel Marro wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can anyone help me to find where to buy Labtone cleaner? I have read
>>>> about cleaning wax cylinders using labtone and want to buy a bottle, but in
>>>> wvrlabshop.com there are no options for europeans, nor I can send a
>>>> question if not selecting USA or Canada as my country. I live in Spain and
>>>> want to know how can I buy it from here. Do you know any shop that send
>>>> overseas?
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Gabriel.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Phono-L mailing list
>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phono-L mailing list
>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>>
>>
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From lherault at bu.edu  Sun Mar 14 17:54:41 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:54:41 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Where to buy Labtone
In-Reply-To: <B8A05101-FF82-40EB-8D96-B00B48959A5C@telefonica.net>
References: <528281.73629.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B8A05101-FF82-40EB-8D96-B00B48959A5C@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <002801cac3da$18bd0c90$4a3725b0$@edu>

VWR does have international offices. Here's the one for Spain:

http://es.vwr.com/app/Home

 Do you know anyone in a school lab who might be able to order it, if it is
avaliable in Europe?  They could also ask for a small sample.  I've not
confirmed it but I have been told that it is basically Trisodium phosphate
which is readily available here in the USA as TSP, a cleaner/etchant for
painted walls.  You only need enough labtone to make the water feel slippery
and I imagine the TSP would be the same.  Check out some heavy duty painted
wall cleaners.

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Gabriel Marro
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:34 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] Where to buy Labtone

Can anyone help me to find where to buy Labtone cleaner? I have read about
cleaning wax cylinders using labtone and want to buy a bottle, but in
wvrlabshop.com there are no options for europeans, nor I can send a question
if not selecting USA or Canada as my country. I live in Spain and want to
know how can I buy it from here. Do you know any shop that send overseas?

Thanks in advance,

Gabriel.

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From GABRIELMARRO at telefonica.net  Mon Mar 15 10:08:39 2010
From: GABRIELMARRO at telefonica.net (GABRIELMARRO at telefonica.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:08:39 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Phono-L] Where to buy Labtone
In-Reply-To: <002801cac3da$18bd0c90$4a3725b0$@edu>
References: <528281.73629.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B8A05101-FF82-40EB-8D96-B00B48959A5C@telefonica.net>
	<002801cac3da$18bd0c90$4a3725b0$@edu>
Message-ID: <13711835.1172921268672919250.JavaMail.root@wm1>

Thank you very much. I do collaborate with the an university. 

Gabriel



----Mensaje original----
De: lherault at bu.edu
Fecha: 15/03/2010 1:54
Para: "Antique Phonograph List"<phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Asunto: Re: [Phono-L] Where to buy Labtone

VWR does have international offices. Here's the one for Spain:

http://es.vwr.com/app/Home

 Do you know anyone in a school lab who might be able to order it, if it is
avaliable in Europe?  They could also ask for a small sample.  I've not
confirmed it but I have been told that it is basically Trisodium phosphate
which is readily available here in the USA as TSP, a cleaner/etchant for
painted walls.  You only need enough labtone to make the water feel slippery
and I imagine the TSP would be the same.  Check out some heavy duty painted
wall cleaners.

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Gabriel Marro
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:34 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] Where to buy Labtone

Can anyone help me to find where to buy Labtone cleaner? I have read about
cleaning wax cylinders using labtone and want to buy a bottle, but in
wvrlabshop.com there are no options for europeans, nor I can send a question
if not selecting USA or Canada as my country. I live in Spain and want to
know how can I buy it from here. Do you know any shop that send overseas?

Thanks in advance,

Gabriel.

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From deedeeblais at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 16 09:58:01 2010
From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:58:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] Brass Horn For Sale
Message-ID: <743396.21603.qm@web113804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I have an all brass cylinder horn that's 29.5" long with a 13" bell.  It needs to be polished but is in overall good shape.  I compared it with a Zonophone horn on my Grand Opera and it appears to be a good candidate for a conversion to a Zonophone horn.  I'm happy to bring the horn to Union and the price is $150.  Please email jerry.blais at yahoo.com or call 541-990-0781 (Pacific time zone).  Thanks, Jerry Blais 


      

From Zonophone2006 at aol.com  Tue Mar 16 13:58:06 2010
From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:58:06 EDT
Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: Story about Ken Woodbury
Message-ID: <ae452.4381def9.38d14ade@aol.com>



 
  
____________________________________
 From: ZONOPHONE2007 at aol.com
To: LADYNIDSTER at aol.com,  zonophone2006 at aol.com
Sent: 3/16/2010 4:56:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time
Subj: Fwd: Story about Ken Woodbury





  
____________________________________
 From: ggurwit at hotmail.com
To: mideve at earthlink.net,  zonophone2007 at aol.com, dgio at dgio.net, 
bauerkirk at msn.com, nauck at 78rpm.com,  psala at us.ibm.com, corningn at comcast.net, 
lynn at intertique.com,  mbryan at catamountarts.org, 78rpmwar at comcast.net
CC:  lawrence.dubois at uvm.edu, jmvillani at aol.com, bigbaf at suscom-maine.net,  
musicallandons at charter.net, cfkristy at hotmail.com, mmleveyco at earthlink.net,  
ascobill at aol.com, markelynch at earthlink.net, frances at dishmail.net,  
recordpete at aol.com, lkrashes at optonline.net
Sent: 3/16/2010 2:30:26 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Story about Ken Woodbury


Hello, everyone.
I  was chatting with Ken Woodbury today about the one-month-away Wayne  
show.  I mentioned the upcoming anniversary of Ken's heart attack  at a prior 
April show and he led me to this link which provides  some insight into what 
happened to him that fateful day.  He was  technically dead on the floor at 
the PAL and was brought back to happier  times and a normal life, all 
through the experimental new "cool technology"  described in this article. I 
thought some of you would enjoy reading it, as  I did.
Glen Gurwit 

_http://www.stjosephshealth.org/index.php/using-cool-technology-to-save-hear
ts_ 
(http://www.stjosephshealth.org/index.php/using-cool-technology-to-save-hearts) 

_GGurwit at hotmail.com_ (mailto:GGurwit at hotmail.com) 


=



From phonophan at aol.com  Tue Mar 16 19:09:16 2010
From: phonophan at aol.com (phonophan at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:09:16 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: Story about Ken Woodbury
In-Reply-To: <ae452.4381def9.38d14ade@aol.com>
References: <ae452.4381def9.38d14ade@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC938DFB4BBD10-57D8-9CD3@webmail-d086.sysops.aol.com>


 The story of this new technology is awe-inspiring and amazing. I had no idea it had been employed in Ken's case, even though I was right there when his heart attack occurred, and witnessed the subsequent events. Of course, the "cooling" technology must be credited with the incredible results he experienced -- however I wish also to draw attention to the laudable efforts of Sylvie Agnard, a trained nurse, and her foster daughter Audrey, who were standing next to Ken when he collapsed and began immediately to administer CPR. I watched them valiantly working on Ken's fallen body until the paramedics could arrive. And I applaud their timely efforts in the face of a human emergency.

We are all thrilled about Ken's recovery, and wish him many more long years of collecting!

Cheers, Tim Fabrizio


From Zonophone2006 at aol.com  Wed Mar 17 15:30:22 2010
From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:30:22 EDT
Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd:  Fwd: Story about Ken Woodbury
Message-ID: <819bf.2e228d23.38d2b1fe@aol.com>



 
  
____________________________________
 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com
Reply-to: phono-l at oldcrank.org
To:  phono-l at oldcrank.org
Sent: 3/16/2010 9:41:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time
Subj: [Phono-L] Fwd: Story about Ken Woodbury






____________________________________
From: ZONOPHONE2007 at aol.com
To:  LADYNIDSTER at aol.com,  zonophone2006 at aol.com
Sent: 3/16/2010 4:56:44  P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time
Subj: Fwd: Story about Ken  Woodbury






____________________________________
From: ggurwit at hotmail.com
To:  mideve at earthlink.net,  zonophone2007 at aol.com, dgio at dgio.net,  
bauerkirk at msn.com, nauck at 78rpm.com,  psala at us.ibm.com,  
corningn at comcast.net, 
lynn at intertique.com,  mbryan at catamountarts.org,  78rpmwar at comcast.net
CC:  lawrence.dubois at uvm.edu, jmvillani at aol.com,  bigbaf at suscom-maine.net,  
musicallandons at charter.net,  cfkristy at hotmail.com, mmleveyco at earthlink.net, 
 
ascobill at aol.com,  markelynch at earthlink.net, frances at dishmail.net,  
recordpete at aol.com,  lkrashes at optonline.net
Sent: 3/16/2010 2:30:26 P.M.  Eastern Daylight  Time
Subj: Story about Ken Woodbury


Hello, everyone.
I   was chatting with Ken Woodbury today about the one-month-away Wayne   
show.  I mentioned the upcoming anniversary of Ken's heart  attack  at a 
prior 
April show and he led me to this link which  provides  some insight into 
what 
happened to him that fateful  day.  He was  technically dead on the floor 
at 
the PAL and was  brought back to happier  times and a normal life, all 
through the  experimental new "cool technology"  described in this article. 
I  
thought some of you would enjoy reading it, as  I did.
Glen Gurwit  

_http://www.stjosephshealth.org/index.php/using-cool-technology-to-save-hear
ts_  
(http://www.stjosephshealth.org/index.php/using-cool-technology-to-save-hear
ts)  

_GGurwit at hotmail.com_ (mailto:GGurwit at hotmail.com)  


=


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From ClockworkHome at aol.com  Mon Mar 22 02:26:27 2010
From: ClockworkHome at aol.com (ClockworkHome at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 EDT
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
Message-ID: <9ea45.3e5e6de8.38d891c3@aol.com>

Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets on 
the Victor Orthophonic reproducer?  I have been asked to make a punch and 
die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend on 
reinventing the wheel.
 
Thanks and best wishes to all on the list,
 
Al
 
 
 

From lherault at bu.edu  Mon Mar 22 06:18:35 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:18:35 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
In-Reply-To: <9ea45.3e5e6de8.38d891c3@aol.com>
References: <9ea45.3e5e6de8.38d891c3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003c01cac9c2$2dbd9cc0$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>

I think a friend of mine has a punch for making the right size gasket but I
don't know what the best material is.  I think he's tried automotive gasket
material successfully.  I'll have to call and ask him.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of ClockworkHome at aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 5:26 AM
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...

Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets on 
the Victor Orthophonic reproducer?  I have been asked to make a punch and 
die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend on 
reinventing the wheel.
 
Thanks and best wishes to all on the list,
 
Al
 
 
 
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From steve_noreen at msn.com  Mon Mar 22 08:34:26 2010
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:34:26 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
In-Reply-To: <9ea45.3e5e6de8.38d891c3@aol.com>
References: <9ea45.3e5e6de8.38d891c3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W57899646EC216EE0839790F6270@phx.gbl>


Hello Al,

The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me.  I have spoken to people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from neoprene.  I would assume Ron Sitko is selling them.  

Steve

> From: ClockworkHome at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
> 
> Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets on 
> the Victor Orthophonic reproducer?  I have been asked to make a punch and 
> die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend on 
> reinventing the wheel.
>  
> Thanks and best wishes to all on the list,
>  
> Al
>  
>  
>  
> _______________________________________________
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From lherault at bu.edu  Mon Mar 22 09:15:31 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:15:31 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W57899646EC216EE0839790F6270@phx.gbl>
References: <9ea45.3e5e6de8.38d891c3@aol.com>
	<COL118-W57899646EC216EE0839790F6270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001e01cac9da$e4eea8e0$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>

In theory, they only make an air seal, rather than playing a part in
compliance/flexibility, right?

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Steven Medved
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:34 AM
To: Phono-l
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...


Hello Al,

The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me.  I have spoken to
people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from neoprene.
I would assume Ron Sitko is selling them.  

Steve

> From: ClockworkHome at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
> 
> Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets on

> the Victor Orthophonic reproducer?  I have been asked to make a punch and 
> die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend
on 
> reinventing the wheel.
>  
> Thanks and best wishes to all on the list,
>  
> Al
>  
>  
>  
> _______________________________________________
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From john9ten at pacbell.net  Mon Mar 22 10:02:45 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:02:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
Message-ID: <159072.75008.qm@web80706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was wondering about that too, I have an orthophonic reproducer that I bought for my 4-40, and it is undamaged and easy to rebuild. When I opened it, I noticed that the gaskets were very thin and paperlike.
John Robles

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Steven Medved <steve_noreen at msn.com> wrote:

From: Steven Medved <steve_noreen at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:34 AM


Hello Al,

The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me.? I have spoken to people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from neoprene.? I would assume Ron Sitko is selling them.? 

Steve

> From: ClockworkHome at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
> 
> Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets on 
> the Victor Orthophonic reproducer?? I have been asked to make a punch and 
> die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend on 
> reinventing the wheel.
>? 
> Thanks and best wishes to all on the list,
>? 
> Al
>? 
>? 
>? 
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
 ???
 ???????? ?????? ??? ? 
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From john9ten at pacbell.net  Mon Mar 22 10:26:43 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:26:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
In-Reply-To: <001e01cac9da$e4eea8e0$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <49976.79883.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My gaskets don't appear to have anything to do with flexibility since they are so thin. I can't imagine how they do any more then keep the metal backing from touching the diaphragm directly.
John Robles

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu> wrote:

From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 9:15 AM

In theory, they only make an air seal, rather than playing a part in
compliance/flexibility, right?

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Steven Medved
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:34 AM
To: Phono-l
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...


Hello Al,

The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me.? I have spoken to
people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from neoprene.
I would assume Ron Sitko is selling them.? 

Steve

> From: ClockworkHome at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
> 
> Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets on

> the Victor Orthophonic reproducer?? I have been asked to make a punch and 
> die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend
on 
> reinventing the wheel.
>? 
> Thanks and best wishes to all on the list,
>? 
> Al
>? 
>? 
>? 
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
 ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? 
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From steve_noreen at msn.com  Mon Mar 22 10:37:10 2010
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:37:10 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
In-Reply-To: <159072.75008.qm@web80706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <159072.75008.qm@web80706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W60344450ECF05AF5E97A1FF6270@phx.gbl>


John,



The man who used to rebuild these years ago told me that switching from the
paper to neoprene really added to the overall sound quality and improved the
bass.  The HMV 5 has felt gaskets and that is why the Victor sounds so
much better.  In these cases going from paper or felt to neoprene would
really improve sound, even I am able to understand why.  Also it is
interesting to note that the last suitcase Orthophonics that do not have the
spider sound just as good as the earlier ones.  

Does your reproducer have the cover on the front?

Steve



> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:02:45 -0700
> From: john9ten at pacbell.net
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
> 
> I was wondering about that too, I have an orthophonic reproducer that I bought for my 4-40, and it is undamaged and easy to rebuild. When I opened it, I noticed that the gaskets were very thin and paperlike.
> John Robles
> 
> --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Steven Medved <steve_noreen at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Steven Medved <steve_noreen at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
> To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:34 AM
> 
> 
> Hello Al,
> 
> The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me.  I have spoken to people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from neoprene.  I would assume Ron Sitko is selling them.  
> 
> Steve
> 
> > From: ClockworkHome at aol.com
> > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
> > 
> > Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets on 
> > the Victor Orthophonic reproducer?  I have been asked to make a punch and 
> > die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend on 
> > reinventing the wheel.
> >  
> > Thanks and best wishes to all on the list,
> >  
> > Al
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>     
>                        
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> _______________________________________________
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From steve_noreen at msn.com  Mon Mar 22 10:45:00 2010
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:45:00 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
In-Reply-To: <001e01cac9da$e4eea8e0$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>
References: <9ea45.3e5e6de8.38d891c3@aol.com>,
	<COL118-W57899646EC216EE0839790F6270@phx.gbl>,
	<001e01cac9da$e4eea8e0$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <COL118-W400241776B4A6CF67DA963F6270@phx.gbl>






Ron,



I think the ideal gasket would be one of soft natural rubber but they begin to
harden.  I spoke with a man that developed a gel gasket and it really
improved the bass, unfortunately they did not last.  The hard rubber we
use today is a compromise, you sacrifice sound quality for gasket
longevity.  Ron D told me this is why Edison
went to cork in 1924 because the soft natural rubber began to harden in as little as six months.



Today we have the soft rubber white tubing that works well for the Victor
sound boxes.  I remember when all we had was the hard stuff that barely
improved sound.  



Here is where Andrew or Tom would do well to explain but in my limited
understanding the softer the gasket the more it allows the diaphragm to move in
response to the grooves.  More response equals better sound.  Is that
what compliance is?  That is why in this case just tightening the
compression ring when the reproducer is air tight would work best.  



Different sound boxes are affected in different ways.  The Exhibition No 2
and 4 are affected so much more by stiff gaskets than the Edison
reproducers.  Just changing gaskets alone is a waste of time on Edison reproducers.  I recently worked on a diamond
A reproducer that had new gaskets and sounded horrible.  Why? The stylus
was broken, the stylus bar did not move freely and the hinge block was also
frozen but some hero had installed new gaskets.



Back in 1985 I was one of these heroes.  I changed all my gaskets and
wondered why this did not help the sound on my Edisons. 
Then I wrote to EJ Goodall and learned you had to tune the reproducer as
well.  He also taught me the importance of soft gaskets.  He worked
on disc reproducers including the EMG where gaskets are important.  
Now I restore movement on Edisons and adjust needle bar tension on Victors after the reproducer is back together.  Victor said to have the bar barely touch the mica, I have gotten best results when the bar is perhaps .003 away from the mica.



Steve 




> 
> In theory, they only make an air seal, rather than playing a part in
> compliance/flexibility, right?
> 
> Ron L
> 
>
 		 	   		  

From john9ten at pacbell.net  Mon Mar 22 10:54:34 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:54:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W60344450ECF05AF5E97A1FF6270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <568283.13210.qm@web80704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The one that came on it was the one with the cover where the openings are covered in fabric. That comes from the portable Orthophonic. It sounds great, but I wanted the original, so I got one. It sounds great too, but if someone offers neoprene I would replace the originals.
J

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Steven Medved <steve_noreen at msn.com> wrote:

From: Steven Medved <steve_noreen at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 10:37 AM


John,



The man who used to rebuild these years ago told me that switching from the
paper to neoprene really added to the overall sound quality and improved the
bass.? The HMV 5 has felt gaskets and that is why the Victor sounds so
much better.? In these cases going from paper or felt to neoprene would
really improve sound, even I am able to understand why.? Also it is
interesting to note that the last suitcase Orthophonics that do not have the
spider sound just as good as the earlier ones.? 

Does your reproducer have the cover on the front?

Steve



> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:02:45 -0700
> From: john9ten at pacbell.net
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
> 
> I was wondering about that too, I have an orthophonic reproducer that I bought for my 4-40, and it is undamaged and easy to rebuild. When I opened it, I noticed that the gaskets were very thin and paperlike.
> John Robles
> 
> --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Steven Medved <steve_noreen at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Steven Medved <steve_noreen at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
> To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:34 AM
> 
> 
> Hello Al,
> 
> The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me.? I have spoken to people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from neoprene.? I would assume Ron Sitko is selling them.? 
> 
> Steve
> 
> > From: ClockworkHome at aol.com
> > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
> > 
> > Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets on 
> > the Victor Orthophonic reproducer?? I have been asked to make a punch and 
> > die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend on 
> > reinventing the wheel.
> >? 
> > Thanks and best wishes to all on the list,
> >? 
> > Al
> >? 
> >? 
> >? 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>? ???
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
> _______________________________________________
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From steve_noreen at msn.com  Mon Mar 22 10:59:01 2010
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:59:01 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
In-Reply-To: <49976.79883.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <001e01cac9da$e4eea8e0$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>,
	<49976.79883.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W5080093EB1534797764E93F6270@phx.gbl>


My gaskets don't appear to have anything to do with flexibility since they are so thin. I can't imagine how they do any more then keep the metal backing from touching the diaphragm directly.

John Robles



John,



That is why these reproducers do not sound their best.  This reproducer was so poorly designed that instead of leaving the lid open you had to close it to eliminate the unwanted sound that comes from the side opposite of the sound tube.  That is why the suitcase models have a cover on them packed with felt to deaden this sound.  With a little more effort Victor could have designed a much better reproducer.



Steve 		 	   		  

From steve_noreen at msn.com  Mon Mar 22 11:03:09 2010
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:03:09 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
In-Reply-To: <568283.13210.qm@web80704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <COL118-W60344450ECF05AF5E97A1FF6270@phx.gbl>,
	<568283.13210.qm@web80704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W4638DFDDDE136E7FE9EADAF6270@phx.gbl>


John,

The good thing about these; the gaskets do not deteriorate so you do not lose sound, the bad thing they do not sound their best.  I find it interesting with both Victor and Edison their later potmetal reproducers remain nice over the years.  Too bad Victor did not perfect their pot metal immediately.

Steve

> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:54:34 -0700
> From: john9ten at pacbell.net
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
> 
> The one that came on it was the one with the cover where the openings are covered in fabric. That comes from the portable Orthophonic. It sounds great, but I wanted the original, so I got one. It sounds great too, but if someone offers neoprene I would replace the originals.
> J
> 
> --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Steven Medved <steve_noreen at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Steven Medved <steve_noreen at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
> To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 10:37 AM
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> 
> 
> The man who used to rebuild these years ago told me that switching from the
> paper to neoprene really added to the overall sound quality and improved the
> bass.  The HMV 5 has felt gaskets and that is why the Victor sounds so
> much better.  In these cases going from paper or felt to neoprene would
> really improve sound, even I am able to understand why.  Also it is
> interesting to note that the last suitcase Orthophonics that do not have the
> spider sound just as good as the earlier ones.  
> 
> Does your reproducer have the cover on the front?
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:02:45 -0700
> > From: john9ten at pacbell.net
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
> > 
> > I was wondering about that too, I have an orthophonic reproducer that I bought for my 4-40, and it is undamaged and easy to rebuild. When I opened it, I noticed that the gaskets were very thin and paperlike.
> > John Robles
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Steven Medved <steve_noreen at msn.com> wrote:
> > 
> > From: Steven Medved <steve_noreen at msn.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
> > To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:34 AM
> > 
> > 
> > Hello Al,
> > 
> > The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me.  I have spoken to people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from neoprene.  I would assume Ron Sitko is selling them.  
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > > From: ClockworkHome at aol.com
> > > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400
> > > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
> > > 
> > > Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets on 
> > > the Victor Orthophonic reproducer?  I have been asked to make a punch and 
> > > die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend on 
> > > reinventing the wheel.
> > >  
> > > Thanks and best wishes to all on the list,
> > >  
> > > Al
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Phono-L mailing list
> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> >     
> >                        
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>                            
> _______________________________________________
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> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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From lherault at bu.edu  Mon Mar 22 11:05:48 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:05:48 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W400241776B4A6CF67DA963F6270@phx.gbl>
References: <9ea45.3e5e6de8.38d891c3@aol.com>,
	<COL118-W57899646EC216EE0839790F6270@phx.gbl>,
	<001e01cac9da$e4eea8e0$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>
	<COL118-W400241776B4A6CF67DA963F6270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004501cac9ea$4d33efa0$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>

Ah, perhaps I should have been more specific.  I was only thinking of the
Orthophonics that initiated the inquiry.  Those gaskets don't play any roll
in diaphragm compliance AFAIK.    

When I replace EX tubing, I get the needle bar to just make a scratch sound
on the back to front stroke of the needle end and no sound on the front to
back stroke. However that does not address the tension on the balance
springs.  Once can crank them down and still get the position as described
above.  I try to make them just tight enough to hold the needle bar securely
on the knife edge.

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Steven Medved
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 1:45 PM
To: Phono-l
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...






Ron,



I think the ideal gasket would be one of soft natural rubber but they begin
to
harden.  I spoke with a man that developed a gel gasket and it really
improved the bass, unfortunately they did not last.  The hard rubber we
use today is a compromise, you sacrifice sound quality for gasket
longevity.  Ron D told me this is why Edison
went to cork in 1924 because the soft natural rubber began to harden in as
little as six months.



Today we have the soft rubber white tubing that works well for the Victor
sound boxes.  I remember when all we had was the hard stuff that barely
improved sound.  



Here is where Andrew or Tom would do well to explain but in my limited
understanding the softer the gasket the more it allows the diaphragm to move
in
response to the grooves.  More response equals better sound.  Is that
what compliance is?  That is why in this case just tightening the
compression ring when the reproducer is air tight would work best.  



Different sound boxes are affected in different ways.  The Exhibition No 2
and 4 are affected so much more by stiff gaskets than the Edison
reproducers.  Just changing gaskets alone is a waste of time on Edison
reproducers.  I recently worked on a diamond
A reproducer that had new gaskets and sounded horrible.  Why? The stylus
was broken, the stylus bar did not move freely and the hinge block was also
frozen but some hero had installed new gaskets.



Back in 1985 I was one of these heroes.  I changed all my gaskets and
wondered why this did not help the sound on my Edisons. 
Then I wrote to EJ Goodall and learned you had to tune the reproducer as
well.  He also taught me the importance of soft gaskets.  He worked
on disc reproducers including the EMG where gaskets are important.  
Now I restore movement on Edisons and adjust needle bar tension on Victors
after the reproducer is back together.  Victor said to have the bar barely
touch the mica, I have gotten best results when the bar is perhaps .003 away
from the mica.



Steve 




> 
> In theory, they only make an air seal, rather than playing a part in
> compliance/flexibility, right?
> 
> Ron L
> 
>
 		 	   		  
_______________________________________________
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From gbogantz1 at charter.net  Mon Mar 22 11:53:51 2010
From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:53:51 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
References: <49976.79883.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ACEF0C56A3324AE1A2095A304C353936@gbhpa1514n>

    The Victor orthophonic reproducer (or #5 as it is sometimes known) was 
designed to have all the diaphragm flexure accommodated by the pleats 
stamped into the metal diaphragm.  Unlike earlier designs, the gaskets were 
not intended to provide flexure - they were strictly there to seal the air 
leaks where the diaphragm joins the body of the reproducer.  This design was 
purposely done to make the flexure and, therefore, the mechanical resonance 
more consistent from one unit to another and to ensure that it remains 
constant over time.  This provided a much more consistent and predictable 
performance from one production unit to another.  It was known to the 
designers of this reproducer that the earlier designs employing rubber 
gaskets deteriorated over time which resulted in decreased performance.  The 
correct replacement gaskets for the #5 would be those that seal well without 
providing any flexure.  If you do use rubber gaskets, the flexure that they 
provide will lower the diaphragm resonance frequency.  This will emphasize 
the bass frequencies, but at the expense of the treble.  The resulting sound 
will be more bass-heavy and with less treble and brilliance.  The amount of 
this change in frequency response will be dependent on the softness of the 
gasket rubber and on the amount of clamping force you have when they are in 
place.  In other words, the difference will be somewhat unpredictable and 
will vary from one implementation to another and with how the clamping force 
has been adjusted.  This is exactly what one has to deal with when 
rebuilding the earlier designs such as Edisons and the early Victors that 
require flexure in their gaskets, and good restorers are aware of this. 
Some owners may prefer this more bass-heavy sound in the #5, but it will not 
be representing the intended frequency response of the original design of 
the reproducer.

Greg Bogantz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...


My gaskets don't appear to have anything to do with flexibility since they 
are so thin. I can't imagine how they do any more then keep the metal 
backing from touching the diaphragm directly.
John Robles

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu> wrote:

From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 9:15 AM

In theory, they only make an air seal, rather than playing a part in
compliance/flexibility, right?

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Steven Medved
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:34 AM
To: Phono-l
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...


Hello Al,

The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me. I have spoken to
people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from neoprene.
I would assume Ron Sitko is selling them.

Steve

> From: ClockworkHome at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
>
> Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets on

> the Victor Orthophonic reproducer? I have been asked to make a punch and
> die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend
on
> reinventing the wheel.
>
> Thanks and best wishes to all on the list,
>
> Al
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org

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From edisone1 at verizon.net  Mon Mar 22 11:31:23 2010
From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:31:23 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
References: <9ea45.3e5e6de8.38d891c3@aol.com>
	<COL118-W57899646EC216EE0839790F6270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A84CDB9AD6564F24AC1930A95BEC34DA@moms>

 The outside edge of the Orthophonic diaphragm isn't supposed to move, so is 
clamped down between those thin paper gaskets.  There's really no advantage 
in switching to something softer, as it'll be too thin to offer any 
cushioning AND will still be squashed down hard & flat by the reproducer 
shell.  Preventing air leaks is the only real function of the Orthophonic 
gaskets.  Brunswick used the same type of shellacked paper or cardboard in 
their acoustic "Panatrope" box.

 I have a portable (made specifically for the Linguaphone language courses) 
which has a weird combo:  an Ortho-like aluminum diaphragm AND hollow rubber 
gaskets, same as used with mica.  The box is of the one-piece type, on which 
the second gasket is tucked-in around the rim ... replacing those was 
frustrating as Heck, because until the entire top gasket was in, the uneven 
pressure buckled the diaphragm horribly!   The sound quality is good, but 
not any better than an Orthophonic.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Medved" <steve_noreen at msn.com>
To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...


>
> Hello Al,
>
> The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me.  I have spoken to 
> people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from 
> neoprene.  I would assume Ron Sitko is selling them.
>
> Steve
>
>> From: ClockworkHome at aol.com
>> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400
>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
>>
>> Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets 
>> on
>> the Victor Orthophonic reproducer?  I have been asked to make a punch and
>> die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend 
>> on
>> reinventing the wheel.


From jim at phono-phixer.com  Mon Mar 22 11:42:23 2010
From: jim at phono-phixer.com (Jim K)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:42:23 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
References: <9ea45.3e5e6de8.38d891c3@aol.com>
	<COL118-W57899646EC216EE0839790F6270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001201cac9ef$69c49ca0$0a00a8c0@Jim>

I just got some from Ron Sitko to rebuild the reproducer on my 4-20 and they 
are nice, and very reasonable as well.

Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Medved" <steve_noreen at msn.com>
To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...


>
> Hello Al,
>
> The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me.  I have spoken to 
> people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from 
> neoprene.  I would assume Ron Sitko is selling them.
>
> Steve
>
>> From: ClockworkHome at aol.com
>> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400
>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
>>
>> Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets 
>> on
>> the Victor Orthophonic reproducer?  I have been asked to make a punch and
>> die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend 
>> on
>> reinventing the wheel.
>>
>> Thanks and best wishes to all on the list,
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org 


From lherault at bu.edu  Mon Mar 22 13:24:18 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:24:18 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
In-Reply-To: <001201cac9ef$69c49ca0$0a00a8c0@Jim>
References: <9ea45.3e5e6de8.38d891c3@aol.com><COL118-W57899646EC216EE0839790F6270@phx.gbl>
	<001201cac9ef$69c49ca0$0a00a8c0@Jim>
Message-ID: <008e01cac9fd$a66adad0$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>

And neoprene?  Very thin?

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Jim K
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:42 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...

I just got some from Ron Sitko to rebuild the reproducer on my 4-20 and they

are nice, and very reasonable as well.

Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Medved" <steve_noreen at msn.com>
To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...


>
> Hello Al,
>
> The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me.  I have spoken to

> people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from 
> neoprene.  I would assume Ron Sitko is selling them.
>
> Steve
>
>> From: ClockworkHome at aol.com
>> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400
>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
>>
>> Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets 
>> on
>> the Victor Orthophonic reproducer?  I have been asked to make a punch and
>> die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend 
>> on
>> reinventing the wheel.
>>
>> Thanks and best wishes to all on the list,
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jim at phono-phixer.com  Mon Mar 22 23:21:40 2010
From: jim at phono-phixer.com (Jim K)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 01:21:40 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
References: <9ea45.3e5e6de8.38d891c3@aol.com><COL118-W57899646EC216EE0839790F6270@phx.gbl><001201cac9ef$69c49ca0$0a00a8c0@Jim>
	<008e01cac9fd$a66adad0$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <000801caca51$1a4b3aa0$0a00a8c0@Jim>

Yes, I believe they are neoprene, and they are .02" thick. Id have to go 
back and look at the price guide to see what they cost. Considering what was 
left of the old gaskets, and putting in the new ones, and doing the bearing 
job on it, it sounds great. It's amazing the amount of sound generated from 
that little Orthophonic! Not quite a Credenza, but very respectable for what 
it is. I was going to sell the 4-20, but not anymore :) I still like my 
Credenza too. It's fun to tell new visitors there isn't an electric 
amplifier in there, most of the time they look at me like I wasn't telling 
the truth.

Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at bu.edu>
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...


> And neoprene?  Very thin?
>
> Ron L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Jim K
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:42 PM
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
>
> I just got some from Ron Sitko to rebuild the reproducer on my 4-20 and 
> they
>
> are nice, and very reasonable as well.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Medved" <steve_noreen at msn.com>
> To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
>
>
>>
>> Hello Al,
>>
>> The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me.  I have spoken 
>> to
>
>> people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from
>> neoprene.  I would assume Ron Sitko is selling them.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>> From: ClockworkHome at aol.com
>>> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400
>>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
>>>
>>> Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets
>>> on
>>> the Victor Orthophonic reproducer?  I have been asked to make a punch 
>>> and
>>> die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend
>>> on
>>> reinventing the wheel.
>>>
>>> Thanks and best wishes to all on the list,
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phono-L mailing list
>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From lherault at bu.edu  Tue Mar 23 06:20:42 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:20:42 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
In-Reply-To: <000801caca51$1a4b3aa0$0a00a8c0@Jim>
References: <9ea45.3e5e6de8.38d891c3@aol.com><COL118-W57899646EC216EE0839790F6270@phx.gbl><001201cac9ef$69c49ca0$0a00a8c0@Jim><008e01cac9fd$a66adad0$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>
	<000801caca51$1a4b3aa0$0a00a8c0@Jim>
Message-ID: <003201caca8b$a363c4d0$54d6299b@ad.bu.edu>

I know what you mean about the little Orthos.  I like the sound of my
Granada, and it does not even have the folded horn!  (I am looking for a new
home for the Granada though, in case anyone desires it. The Granada lives in
North Attleborough, MA)

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Jim K
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:22 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...

Yes, I believe they are neoprene, and they are .02" thick. Id have to go 
back and look at the price guide to see what they cost. Considering what was

left of the old gaskets, and putting in the new ones, and doing the bearing 
job on it, it sounds great. It's amazing the amount of sound generated from 
that little Orthophonic! Not quite a Credenza, but very respectable for what

it is. I was going to sell the 4-20, but not anymore :) I still like my 
Credenza too. It's fun to tell new visitors there isn't an electric 
amplifier in there, most of the time they look at me like I wasn't telling 
the truth.

Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at bu.edu>
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...


> And neoprene?  Very thin?
>
> Ron L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Jim K
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:42 PM
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
>
> I just got some from Ron Sitko to rebuild the reproducer on my 4-20 and 
> they
>
> are nice, and very reasonable as well.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Medved" <steve_noreen at msn.com>
> To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
>
>
>>
>> Hello Al,
>>
>> The original looks like paper coated with shellac to me.  I have spoken 
>> to
>
>> people who rebuild them and they tell me you get better sound from
>> neoprene.  I would assume Ron Sitko is selling them.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>> From: ClockworkHome at aol.com
>>> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:26:27 -0400
>>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
>>>
>>> Does anyone on this learned list know what material was used as gaskets
>>> on
>>> the Victor Orthophonic reproducer?  I have been asked to make a punch 
>>> and
>>> die to cut them out but if someone is already making them I don't intend
>>> on
>>> reinventing the wheel.
>>>
>>> Thanks and best wishes to all on the list,
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phono-L mailing list
>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
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From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 11:59:22 2010
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:59:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone
Message-ID: <84861.36988.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I have an Englewood Musicalphone made by Columbia. It uses a horn similar to a Busybee Grand. I need some information on the horn and elbow. The outside of the horn is blue with a sunburst on the inside, from what I was told. I'd like to know what the color scheme of the inside sunburst pattern is. The elbow fits into the small end of the horn like what you would see on a cylinder horn, and then into the Analyzing reproducer. The elbow is similar to a front mount AY or AR. Any information, pictures or a sale of the horn or elbow will be greatly appreciated.
Harvey Kravitz



      

From jskoch at charter.net  Tue Mar 23 14:12:18 2010
From: jskoch at charter.net (jskoch at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:12:18 -0700
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone
In-Reply-To: <84861.36988.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100323171218.QWOFH.1080099.root@mp11>

Hi I have a Musicalphone. If you can get on the talking machine forum go to page no 28. Go to number 30 and click on it. My machine is there. It's the way I got it from charley hunnel. Hope that helps.




---- harvey kravitz <harveykravitz at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> I have an Englewood Musicalphone made by Columbia. It uses a horn similar to a Busybee Grand. I need some information on the horn and elbow. The outside of the horn is blue with a sunburst on the inside, from what I was told. I'd like to know what the color scheme of the inside sunburst pattern is. The elbow fits into the small end of the horn like what you would see on a cylinder horn, and then into the Analyzing reproducer. The elbow is similar to a front mount AY or AR. Any information, pictures or a sale of the horn or elbow will be greatly appreciated.
> Harvey Kravitz
> 
> 
> 
>       
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From gbogantz1 at charter.net  Tue Mar 23 14:46:46 2010
From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:46:46 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] O/T:  Capehart 414N-1
Message-ID: <618E38973CFB41FCB3647B6E65F1E2AC@gbhpa1514n>

I realize that electronic phonos are a bit off-topic for this forum, but for those of you who can really appreciate a fine Capehart, here's a rare find: A 414N-1 with the VERY hard to find 41E-2 flipover changer:

eBay Item #150426006960

This is the last version of the 41E changer that has the interchangeable tonearms and plays both 78 and 33rpm microgroove records, circa 1949. I'm posting this here to try to rescue this unit from the grimy clutches of the Western Weenies who are going to buy this console ONLY to rip out the Western Electric speaker from it so that they can mount it under glass and drool over it. Note that there is already a bidder question posted about wanting to see the speaker. Then they'll sell off the N-1 power amp with the 2A3 output triodes to some golden ear tube yahoos. Then they'll simply junk the rest of the console or turn it into a liquor cabinet. That would be a particular shame since this is appears to be a really nice and complete original example of a fine, RARE Capehart. Trust me: the 41E-2 machines are RARE! Let's see one of our Phono-L members give this complete unit the home it deserves. This model is particularly easy to enjoy while you're not playing records as it has the modern FM radio band which means you can actually listen to good radio programs on it. In glorious monophonic sound, of course. I don't have a problem with collectors mounting things under glass to admire, but to destroy a perfectly good, working piece of fine equipment just to preserve one part of it really grinds my gears. I'd bid on it, but I don't have room for it.

Greg Bogantz

From cdh041 at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 23 15:20:33 2010
From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:20:33 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] O/T:  Capehart 414N-1
Message-ID: <410-220103223222033937@earthlink.net>

I'm with you all the way, Greg. I'll possibly bid on this thing, but I'll
most certainly get sniped out to outer space, and lose it. There are just
too many points of profit here for the hogs that look for them. Lately, I
have bid on a couple og things that might be nice, but was sniped far
beyond the bidding level. 

I've found that Craigslist is far and beyond the abominable eBay. 

My Capehart is similar, but different cabinet, P-P 6L6, and 78 only
changer. I'm trying to get a DVD for you, but this stupid computer won't
copy it. 

I have a Capehart 2A3 amp laying among my shrunken skulls.  


> [Original Message]
> From: Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net>
> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 3/23/2010 5:46:56 PM
> Subject: [Phono-L] O/T:  Capehart 414N-1
>
> I realize that electronic phonos are a bit off-topic for this forum, but
for those of you who can really appreciate a fine Capehart, here's a rare
find: A 414N-1 with the VERY hard to find 41E-2 flipover changer:
>
> eBay Item #150426006960
>
> This is the last version of the 41E changer that has the interchangeable
tonearms and plays both 78 and 33rpm microgroove records, circa 1949. I'm
posting this here to try to rescue this unit from the grimy clutches of the
Western Weenies who are going to buy this console ONLY to rip out the
Western Electric speaker from it so that they can mount it under glass and
drool over it. Note that there is already a bidder question posted about
wanting to see the speaker. Then they'll sell off the N-1 power amp with
the 2A3 output triodes to some golden ear tube yahoos. Then they'll simply
junk the rest of the console or turn it into a liquor cabinet. That would
be a particular shame since this is appears to be a really nice and
complete original example of a fine, RARE Capehart. Trust me: the 41E-2
machines are RARE! Let's see one of our Phono-L members give this complete
unit the home it deserves. This model is particularly easy to enjoy while
you're not playing records as it has t
>  he modern FM radio band which means you can actually listen to good
radio programs on it. In glorious monophonic sound, of course. I don't have
a problem with collectors mounting things under glass to admire, but to
destroy a perfectly good, working piece of fine equipment just to preserve
one part of it really grinds my gears. I'd bid on it, but I don't have room
for it.
>
> Greg Bogantz
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org




From abefeder1 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 16:27:30 2010
From: abefeder1 at gmail.com (Abe Feder)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:27:30 -0700
Subject: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
In-Reply-To: <618E38973CFB41FCB3647B6E65F1E2AC@gbhpa1514n>
References: <618E38973CFB41FCB3647B6E65F1E2AC@gbhpa1514n>
Message-ID: <4e885f141003231627h770b2a0fuf776b857a6f23ced@mail.gmail.com>

Greg, I have noted that you and several members like the Capehart units . I
have seen a few of them here in Arizona from time to time.-I know nothing
about them. There is one for sale now on Craigslist a model # B-1002-F.
Owner says that it has been in his family for 60 years. He has original
instruction manual as well as bill of sale and is asking $750.00. Any
comments about it or price?
Thx Abe Feder

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net> wrote:

> I realize that electronic phonos are a bit off-topic for this forum, but
> for those of you who can really appreciate a fine Capehart, here's a rare
> find: A 414N-1 with the VERY hard to find 41E-2 flipover changer:
>
> eBay Item #150426006960
>
> This is the last version of the 41E changer that has the interchangeable
> tonearms and plays both 78 and 33rpm microgroove records, circa 1949. I'm
> posting this here to try to rescue this unit from the grimy clutches of the
> Western Weenies who are going to buy this console ONLY to rip out the
> Western Electric speaker from it so that they can mount it under glass and
> drool over it. Note that there is already a bidder question posted about
> wanting to see the speaker. Then they'll sell off the N-1 power amp with the
> 2A3 output triodes to some golden ear tube yahoos. Then they'll simply junk
> the rest of the console or turn it into a liquor cabinet. That would be a
> particular shame since this is appears to be a really nice and complete
> original example of a fine, RARE Capehart. Trust me: the 41E-2 machines are
> RARE! Let's see one of our Phono-L members give this complete unit the home
> it deserves. This model is particularly easy to enjoy while you're not
> playing records as it has t
>  he modern FM radio band which means you can actually listen to good radio
> programs on it. In glorious monophonic sound, of course. I don't have a
> problem with collectors mounting things under glass to admire, but to
> destroy a perfectly good, working piece of fine equipment just to preserve
> one part of it really grinds my gears. I'd bid on it, but I don't have room
> for it.
>
> Greg Bogantz
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>

From AllenAmet at aol.com  Tue Mar 23 17:29:01 2010
From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:29:01 EDT
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone
Message-ID: <72013.27e0d3d3.38dab6cd@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 3/23/2010 3:01:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
harveykravitz at yahoo.com writes:

"Any  information, pictures or a sale of the horn or elbow will be greatly  
appreciated....I have an Englewood Musicalphone made by  Columbia...."



--------------------
What is the evidence that this machine was made/sold BY Columbia?
 
According to The Trademarks of Recorded Sound, the 'Musicalphone' term was  
trademarked by the Englewood Co of Illinois (Consolidated Factories). They 
may  have also used the phrase: 'Silver Tongued.'
 
Allen
 _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) 
 

From gbogantz1 at charter.net  Tue Mar 23 17:37:41 2010
From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:37:41 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
References: <618E38973CFB41FCB3647B6E65F1E2AC@gbhpa1514n>
	<4e885f141003231627h770b2a0fuf776b857a6f23ced@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57967F7108934ECEA1F07CCE970DB0DA@gbhpa1514n>

    Abe, the Capehart radio/phonos made from the mid 1930s to about 1950 
were among the very finest, most exclusive models available in the USA. 
With very few exceptions such as the D-22 and the QU-8 which actually used a 
Capehart 16E changer and the postwar Berkshire series, ALL of which are very 
rare, RCA had nothing to compare.  Aside from a very few other specialty 
makers such as E.H. Scott and McMurdo Silver, there were were no 
radio/phonos available in the USA that compared with the Capeharts.  That's 
why these Capeharts are held in such high regard by collectors today.

    There were two common series made during these years, the 100 and the 
400 series (model number were in these ranges).  The 100 series was the 
cheaper one with smaller amplifiers and less elaborate cabinetry.  The 400 
series looked similar to the 100 series, but they usually (not always) had 
more and/or larger amplifiers and more expensive speakers and more elaborate 
cabinets.  There was also a much rarer 300 series which were "tall-boy" 
cabinets with the components stacked vertically, and the EXTREMELY RARE 500 
series which were the SUPER deluxe models available usually by special, 
customized order only.  All these series used the exclusive Capehart 
flipover record changers.  The early (prewar) record changers were the 16E 
models (several variations), and the postwar changers were the 41E models 
which are easily identifiable by their chromed, tubular tonearms.  All these 
changers played only 78rpm until the 41E-2 model which came out about late 
1948.  This model had interchangeable TONEARMS (not just headshells) that 
provided for either 78rpm or for microgroove 33rpm playback.  The 41E-2 was 
made for only a short time (probably less than 2 years) before Capehart 
discontinued the flipover changers completely and went to cheaper drop-type 
changers, most of which were furnished by VM (Voice of Music).  These later 
Capeharts (starting around 1950) used a different numbering system and were 
cheapened considerably from the early 100 and 400 series.  These later 
Capeharts are not very collectible and do not bring high prices from 
collectors.  The B-1002-F model that you have mentioned in Arizona is an 
example of one of these later, post 1950 models.  It would probably bring 
around $200 in nice condition.

Greg Bogantz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Abe Feder" <abefeder1 at gmail.com>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1


> Greg, I have noted that you and several members like the Capehart units . 
> I
> have seen a few of them here in Arizona from time to time.-I know nothing
> about them. There is one for sale now on Craigslist a model # B-1002-F.
> Owner says that it has been in his family for 60 years. He has original
> instruction manual as well as bill of sale and is asking $750.00. Any
> comments about it or price?
> Thx Abe Feder
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> I realize that electronic phonos are a bit off-topic for this forum, but
>> for those of you who can really appreciate a fine Capehart, here's a rare
>> find: A 414N-1 with the VERY hard to find 41E-2 flipover changer:
>>
>> eBay Item #150426006960
>>
>> This is the last version of the 41E changer that has the interchangeable
>> tonearms and plays both 78 and 33rpm microgroove records, circa 1949. I'm
>> posting this here to try to rescue this unit from the grimy clutches of 
>> the
>> Western Weenies who are going to buy this console ONLY to rip out the
>> Western Electric speaker from it so that they can mount it under glass 
>> and
>> drool over it. Note that there is already a bidder question posted about
>> wanting to see the speaker. Then they'll sell off the N-1 power amp with 
>> the
>> 2A3 output triodes to some golden ear tube yahoos. Then they'll simply 
>> junk
>> the rest of the console or turn it into a liquor cabinet. That would be a
>> particular shame since this is appears to be a really nice and complete
>> original example of a fine, RARE Capehart. Trust me: the 41E-2 machines 
>> are
>> RARE! Let's see one of our Phono-L members give this complete unit the 
>> home
>> it deserves. This model is particularly easy to enjoy while you're not
>> playing records as it has t
>>  he modern FM radio band which means you can actually listen to good 
>> radio
>> programs on it. In glorious monophonic sound, of course. I don't have a
>> problem with collectors mounting things under glass to admire, but to
>> destroy a perfectly good, working piece of fine equipment just to 
>> preserve
>> one part of it really grinds my gears. I'd bid on it, but I don't have 
>> room
>> for it.
>>
>> Greg Bogantz
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org 


From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 17:43:17 2010
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:43:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone
In-Reply-To: <72013.27e0d3d3.38dab6cd@aol.com>
References: <72013.27e0d3d3.38dab6cd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <551192.89469.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Allen,
I guess I wasn't clear. From what I can see in the picture of the Englewood Musicalphone in the first compendium book, the horn looks like a cylinder horn. The special elbow fits on the small end of the horn. Then it fits into the Analyzing reproducer. it looks similar to the elbow that fits on an AY or BY. If you have any pictures of this elbow and the sunburst pattern of the horn, it will be greatly appreciated.
Harvey Kravitz





________________________________
From: "AllenAmet at aol.com" <AllenAmet at aol.com>
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 4:29:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone


In a message dated 3/23/2010 3:01:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
harveykravitz at yahoo.com writes:

"Any  information, pictures or a sale of the horn or elbow will be greatly  
appreciated....I have an Englewood Musicalphone made by  Columbia...."



--------------------
What is the evidence that this machine was made/sold BY Columbia?

According to The Trademarks of Recorded Sound, the 'Musicalphone' term was  
trademarked by the Englewood Co of Illinois (Consolidated Factories). They 
may  have also used the phrase: 'Silver Tongued.'

Allen
_www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) 

_______________________________________________
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From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 17:47:53 2010
From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (William Buchanan)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:47:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] O/T:  Capehart 414N-1
In-Reply-To: <410-220103223222033937@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <794902.7121.qm@web57507.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

After reading the messages below I had to see what this looked like.
I must admit that I have never seen this model before.
Once I opened the item number I was in love!!
Anybody that would do harm to this unit is crazy.
It is a shame that people would do this to such piece, but we have all seen it happened.
It would be a shame to loose such a piece for some body with more money than brains.
I hope who ever buys this does not rip it apart.

I have been very unlucky with bidding on electric phonographs in the past I now have 4 different phonographs that all were supposed to be in working order but once I opened the boxes I found out that I had been taken.
There are too many people on ebay that will rip you off and they know that it cost too much to return the items so they can say what ever they want.
I would love to have a working phonograph from the 1940's but I only have ebay as? a way to look for this stuff and after 4 times of being ripped off I won't do it again.

In case you are wondering why I only use ebay, it? is because I am a disabled vet and I am mostly confined to a bed and a wheel chair. I am not able to get out much to even hunt down leads or go to estate sales.

I do have two table top Victor and one Edison Floor model, but I would one day love to find a wooden table top phonograph with radio.
It is possible that one of the four units I have purchased may be able to be repair but I am not able to do that type of work because of the injuries.

Does anybody live in Lehigh Acres Florida that works on these?

Thanks and lets hope that the Cape Hart finds the nice home that it deserves.

Bill



--- On Tue, 3/23/10, Douglas Houston <cdh041 at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Douglas Houston <cdh041 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] O/T:  Capehart 414N-1
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 6:20 PM

I'm with you all the way, Greg. I'll possibly bid on this thing, but I'll
most certainly get sniped out to outer space, and lose it. There are just
too many points of profit here for the hogs that look for them. Lately, I
have bid on a couple og things that might be nice, but was sniped far
beyond the bidding level. 

I've found that Craigslist is far and beyond the abominable eBay. 

My Capehart is similar, but different cabinet, P-P 6L6, and 78 only
changer. I'm trying to get a DVD for you, but this stupid computer won't
copy it. 

I have a Capehart 2A3 amp laying among my shrunken skulls.? 


> [Original Message]
> From: Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net>
> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 3/23/2010 5:46:56 PM
> Subject: [Phono-L] O/T:? Capehart 414N-1
>
> I realize that electronic phonos are a bit off-topic for this forum, but
for those of you who can really appreciate a fine Capehart, here's a rare
find: A 414N-1 with the VERY hard to find 41E-2 flipover changer:
>
> eBay Item #150426006960
>
> This is the last version of the 41E changer that has the interchangeable
tonearms and plays both 78 and 33rpm microgroove records, circa 1949. I'm
posting this here to try to rescue this unit from the grimy clutches of the
Western Weenies who are going to buy this console ONLY to rip out the
Western Electric speaker from it so that they can mount it under glass and
drool over it. Note that there is already a bidder question posted about
wanting to see the speaker. Then they'll sell off the N-1 power amp with
the 2A3 output triodes to some golden ear tube yahoos. Then they'll simply
junk the rest of the console or turn it into a liquor cabinet. That would
be a particular shame since this is appears to be a really nice and
complete original example of a fine, RARE Capehart. Trust me: the 41E-2
machines are RARE! Let's see one of our Phono-L members give this complete
unit the home it deserves. This model is particularly easy to enjoy while
you're not playing records as it has t
>? he modern FM radio band which means you can actually listen to good
radio programs on it. In glorious monophonic sound, of course. I don't have
a problem with collectors mounting things under glass to admire, but to
destroy a perfectly good, working piece of fine equipment just to preserve
one part of it really grinds my gears. I'd bid on it, but I don't have room
for it.
>
> Greg Bogantz
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org



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From AllenAmet at aol.com  Tue Mar 23 17:51:46 2010
From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:51:46 EDT
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone
Message-ID: <73608.27238f15.38dabc22@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/23/2010 8:43:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
harveykravitz at yahoo.com writes:

If you  have any pictures of this elbow and the sunburst pattern of the 
horn, it will  be greatly appreciated.
---------------


Hi Harvey,
 
  No photos unfortunately, just the research on the name. They  (Englewood) 
said it was first placed on sale in July of 1904. No  mention of Columbia 
in the trademark application.
 
Allen
 

From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 18:04:49 2010
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:04:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone
In-Reply-To: <73608.27238f15.38dabc22@aol.com>
References: <73608.27238f15.38dabc22@aol.com>
Message-ID: <972142.14800.qm@web54504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Allen,
Englewood was made by Columbia. BTW, do you have a picture of a Columbia AY or AR elbow?
Harvey Kravitz




________________________________
From: "AllenAmet at aol.com" <AllenAmet at aol.com>
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 4:51:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone

In a message dated 3/23/2010 8:43:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
harveykravitz at yahoo.com writes:

If you  have any pictures of this elbow and the sunburst pattern of the 
horn, it will  be greatly appreciated.
---------------


Hi Harvey,

  No photos unfortunately, just the research on the name. They  (Englewood) 
said it was first placed on sale in July of 1904. No  mention of Columbia 
in the trademark application.

Allen

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From AllenAmet at aol.com  Tue Mar 23 18:09:10 2010
From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:09:10 EDT
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone
Message-ID: <746cf.44041866.38dac036@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 3/23/2010 9:06:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
harveykravitz at yahoo.com writes:

BTW, do  you have a picture of a Columbia AY or AR elbow?


--------------
Hi
 
 No photos unfortunately. Did Columbia make this model  (Musicalphone) for 
Columbia? If so, what is the evidence?
 
allen
 

From mf101723 at msn.com  Tue Mar 23 19:27:31 2010
From: mf101723 at msn.com (mark french)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:27:31 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Gaskets question...
Message-ID: <SNT106-W464450C030F8F176F47516C8250@phx.gbl>


I've rebuilt a couple of the suitcase soundboxes, but I removed the sound-deadening cover and cloth.  Then I added some spare bearing covers and screwed them on (since the covered version doesn't have them.)  I have a Credenza and a 10-50 and only had these really nice 5Bs that I got cheap, so I just made them look a lot closer to 5As.  Plus without the cover they are about 14 grams lighter.  I do have a real #5 too, for when I have company over  : )

As for the gaskets, I've used some that came in the rebuild kits I've bought that seem like they are made out of hard paper of some kind, maybe waxed.  But I've also made some myself out of some mylar material.  They all sealed fine as long as the back is tightened well.  I like to put a light smear of 3-in-1 oil on the gaskets too just to help with the sealing, and also helps to keep the gaskets from sticking if I need to take it apart again.  Perhaps wax or other material might be better for that.  
 		 	   		  

From mf101723 at msn.com  Tue Mar 23 19:30:13 2010
From: mf101723 at msn.com (mark french)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:30:13 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] FOUND, WTB grille for 4-door Credenza
Message-ID: <SNT106-W12EB8CF488BC891071DB06C8250@phx.gbl>


George Vollema found and sold me an absolutely beautiful grille for my Credenza,
even with perfect cloth.  Thanks!
 		 	   		  

From mf101723 at msn.com  Tue Mar 23 19:41:06 2010
From: mf101723 at msn.com (mark french)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:41:06 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin machine or jukebox needles?
Message-ID: <SNT106-W55B56F8606956F5A82DE42C8250@phx.gbl>


<<There was no shaping of the end of the wire on 
Victor Tungstones.  I just confirmed that by looking at a couple of NOS 
Tungstones that I have.  The wire was sheared to essentially a flat end 
shape.>>

That documentation on the net that shows Victor drawings of how the needles were
made shows some kind of burnishing thing rubbing on the end of the tip,
at an angle, after it has been mounted in the shank.  Perhaps this was just done
to remove any sharp burrs that were left after the cut, and not to grind in
a perfect end on the wire.  Makes sense since every record groove is a little
different, and the end is going to get ground down immediately anyway.  
But as noted, any fresh tungsten needle should be played on a junk record first. 
 		 	   		  

From bowlngn at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 21:26:29 2010
From: bowlngn at yahoo.com (Stephen Madara)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:26:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone
Message-ID: <228426.40188.qm@web44803.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have a large doublesided framed ad for an Englewood Parlor Grand Triple Expansion Motor Musicalphone and an Englewood Concert Grand Musicalphone Chicago Illinois S. Schulein Jr. President.  I can send you a photo of either machine.  I can't scan it due to its size and it is framed between two pieces of glass.  Steve Madara


      

From abefeder1 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 23:34:51 2010
From: abefeder1 at gmail.com (Abe Feder)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:34:51 -0700
Subject: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
In-Reply-To: <57967F7108934ECEA1F07CCE970DB0DA@gbhpa1514n>
References: <618E38973CFB41FCB3647B6E65F1E2AC@gbhpa1514n>
	<4e885f141003231627h770b2a0fuf776b857a6f23ced@mail.gmail.com>
	<57967F7108934ECEA1F07CCE970DB0DA@gbhpa1514n>
Message-ID: <4e885f141003232334s6d6d820drdcea44e9a77e2e44@mail.gmail.com>

Greg, As always thanks for the information- I am in the quest for a Victor
Credenza and have missed 1 or 2 units because of the freight to get them to
Az. I will because of the information that you have passed on keep my eyes
open for a Capehart unit- that might fill the bill. I have a degree in
electronics and still have some old test equipment kicking around-tube
tester, volt ohm meter even an old oscilloscope-but don't know if I will
even remember how to use the stuff or if it still works-remember HeathKit it
was their best tube tester-got one heck a shock one day while building it.
but I was just 16 then and used to think that I could do anything. I am
learning how to do this wind up stuff-in fact I just did my first reproducer
rebuild using one of your diaphrams and instructions-sounds pretty good.
This is the 3rd or 4th Capehart that has shown up in the last 3-4 months. So
maybe I will end up with one of those as well.
Abe
Thx Abe

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net> wrote:

>   Abe, the Capehart radio/phonos made from the mid 1930s to about 1950 were
> among the very finest, most exclusive models available in the USA. With very
> few exceptions such as the D-22 and the QU-8 which actually used a Capehart
> 16E changer and the postwar Berkshire series, ALL of which are very rare,
> RCA had nothing to compare.  Aside from a very few other specialty makers
> such as E.H. Scott and McMurdo Silver, there were were no radio/phonos
> available in the USA that compared with the Capeharts.  That's why these
> Capeharts are held in such high regard by collectors today.
>
>   There were two common series made during these years, the 100 and the 400
> series (model number were in these ranges).  The 100 series was the cheaper
> one with smaller amplifiers and less elaborate cabinetry.  The 400 series
> looked similar to the 100 series, but they usually (not always) had more
> and/or larger amplifiers and more expensive speakers and more elaborate
> cabinets.  There was also a much rarer 300 series which were "tall-boy"
> cabinets with the components stacked vertically, and the EXTREMELY RARE 500
> series which were the SUPER deluxe models available usually by special,
> customized order only.  All these series used the exclusive Capehart
> flipover record changers.  The early (prewar) record changers were the 16E
> models (several variations), and the postwar changers were the 41E models
> which are easily identifiable by their chromed, tubular tonearms.  All these
> changers played only 78rpm until the 41E-2 model which came out about late
> 1948.  This model had interchangeable TONEARMS (not just headshells) that
> provided for either 78rpm or for microgroove 33rpm playback.  The 41E-2 was
> made for only a short time (probably less than 2 years) before Capehart
> discontinued the flipover changers completely and went to cheaper drop-type
> changers, most of which were furnished by VM (Voice of Music).  These later
> Capeharts (starting around 1950) used a different numbering system and were
> cheapened considerably from the early 100 and 400 series.  These later
> Capeharts are not very collectible and do not bring high prices from
> collectors.  The B-1002-F model that you have mentioned in Arizona is an
> example of one of these later, post 1950 models.  It would probably bring
> around $200 in nice condition.
>
> Greg Bogantz
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abe Feder" <abefeder1 at gmail.com>
>
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
>
>
>
>  Greg, I have noted that you and several members like the Capehart units .
>> I
>> have seen a few of them here in Arizona from time to time.-I know nothing
>> about them. There is one for sale now on Craigslist a model # B-1002-F.
>> Owner says that it has been in his family for 60 years. He has original
>> instruction manual as well as bill of sale and is asking $750.00. Any
>> comments about it or price?
>> Thx Abe Feder
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I realize that electronic phonos are a bit off-topic for this forum, but
>>> for those of you who can really appreciate a fine Capehart, here's a rare
>>> find: A 414N-1 with the VERY hard to find 41E-2 flipover changer:
>>>
>>> eBay Item #150426006960
>>>
>>> This is the last version of the 41E changer that has the interchangeable
>>> tonearms and plays both 78 and 33rpm microgroove records, circa 1949. I'm
>>> posting this here to try to rescue this unit from the grimy clutches of
>>> the
>>> Western Weenies who are going to buy this console ONLY to rip out the
>>> Western Electric speaker from it so that they can mount it under glass
>>> and
>>> drool over it. Note that there is already a bidder question posted about
>>> wanting to see the speaker. Then they'll sell off the N-1 power amp with
>>> the
>>> 2A3 output triodes to some golden ear tube yahoos. Then they'll simply
>>> junk
>>> the rest of the console or turn it into a liquor cabinet. That would be a
>>> particular shame since this is appears to be a really nice and complete
>>> original example of a fine, RARE Capehart. Trust me: the 41E-2 machines
>>> are
>>> RARE! Let's see one of our Phono-L members give this complete unit the
>>> home
>>> it deserves. This model is particularly easy to enjoy while you're not
>>> playing records as it has t
>>>  he modern FM radio band which means you can actually listen to good
>>> radio
>>> programs on it. In glorious monophonic sound, of course. I don't have a
>>> problem with collectors mounting things under glass to admire, but to
>>> destroy a perfectly good, working piece of fine equipment just to
>>> preserve
>>> one part of it really grinds my gears. I'd bid on it, but I don't have
>>> room
>>> for it.
>>>
>>> Greg Bogantz
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phono-L mailing list
>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 24 11:46:55 2010
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:46:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone
In-Reply-To: <228426.40188.qm@web44803.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <228426.40188.qm@web44803.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <863055.48256.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear Steve,
Thank you for your email. Let me know the cost so I can reimburse you for the postage.
Harvey.




________________________________
From: Stephen Madara <bowlngn at yahoo.com>
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 8:26:29 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Englewood Musicalphone

I have a large doublesided framed ad for an Englewood Parlor Grand Triple Expansion Motor Musicalphone and an Englewood Concert Grand Musicalphone Chicago Illinois S. Schulein Jr. President.  I can send you a photo of either machine.  I can't scan it due to its size and it is framed between two pieces of glass.  Steve Madara


      
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From deedeeblais at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 25 09:59:16 2010
From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:59:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] Col 6" XLP Cylinder Display / Storage Rack For Sale - $40
Message-ID: <804522.10381.qm@web113810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I am selling a display / storage rack for the long 6" Columbia XLP cylinders.  The rack is 19.5" wide and 28" tall and will hold up to 48 cylinders.  It is constructed of 1"x6" pine with metal rods to provide individual space and support for each record.  The price is $40 delivered to Union or CAPS.  I prefer not the ship it.  Thanks, Jerry Blais 541-990-0781


      

From cdh041 at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 25 10:39:20 2010
From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:39:20 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] O/T:  Capehart 414N-1
Message-ID: <410-220103425173920890@earthlink.net>

I'm with ya all  the way, Bill. I've passed the 80 mark, and while I can get around slowly, I haven't lost my zeal for electric phonographs. I'm just finishing a 1940 RCA High Fidelity record player model R-98. There are more things in process, like a Victor Electrola 12-25. 


> [Original Message]
> From: William Buchanan <ret.armysgt at yahoo.com>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 3/23/2010 8:54:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] O/T:  Capehart 414N-1
>
> After reading the messages below I had to see what this looked like.
> I must admit that I have never seen this model before.
> Once I opened the item number I was in love!!
> Anybody that would do harm to this unit is crazy.
> It is a shame that people would do this to such piece, but we have all seen it happened.
> It would be a shame to loose such a piece for some body with more money than brains.
> I hope who ever buys this does not rip it apart.
>
> I have been very unlucky with bidding on electric phonographs in the past I now have 4 different phonographs that all were supposed to be in working order but once I opened the boxes I found out that I had been taken.
> There are too many people on ebay that will rip you off and they know that it cost too much to return the items so they can say what ever they want.
> I would love to have a working phonograph from the 1940's but I only have ebay as  a way to look for this stuff and after 4 times of being ripped off I won't do it again.
>
> In case you are wondering why I only use ebay, it  is because I am a disabled vet and I am mostly confined to a bed and a wheel chair. I am not able to get out much to even hunt down leads or go to estate sales.
>
> I do have two table top Victor and one Edison Floor model, but I would one day love to find a wooden table top phonograph with radio.
> It is possible that one of the four units I have purchased may be able to be repair but I am not able to do that type of work because of the injuries.
>
> Does anybody live in Lehigh Acres Florida that works on these?
>
> Thanks and lets hope that the Cape Hart finds the nice home that it deserves.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Douglas Houston <cdh041 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> From: Douglas Houston <cdh041 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] O/T:  Capehart 414N-1
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 6:20 PM
>
> I'm with you all the way, Greg. I'll possibly bid on this thing, but I'll
> most certainly get sniped out to outer space, and lose it. There are just
> too many points of profit here for the hogs that look for them. Lately, I
> have bid on a couple og things that might be nice, but was sniped far
> beyond the bidding level. 
>
> I've found that Craigslist is far and beyond the abominable eBay. 
>
> My Capehart is similar, but different cabinet, P-P 6L6, and 78 only
> changer. I'm trying to get a DVD for you, but this stupid computer won't
> copy it. 
>
> I have a Capehart 2A3 amp laying among my shrunken skulls.  
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net>
> > To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > Date: 3/23/2010 5:46:56 PM
> > Subject: [Phono-L] O/T:  Capehart 414N-1
> >
> > I realize that electronic phonos are a bit off-topic for this forum, but
> for those of you who can really appreciate a fine Capehart, here's a rare
> find: A 414N-1 with the VERY hard to find 41E-2 flipover changer:
> >
> > eBay Item #150426006960
> >
> > This is the last version of the 41E changer that has the interchangeable
> tonearms and plays both 78 and 33rpm microgroove records, circa 1949. I'm
> posting this here to try to rescue this unit from the grimy clutches of the
> Western Weenies who are going to buy this console ONLY to rip out the
> Western Electric speaker from it so that they can mount it under glass and
> drool over it. Note that there is already a bidder question posted about
> wanting to see the speaker. Then they'll sell off the N-1 power amp with
> the 2A3 output triodes to some golden ear tube yahoos. Then they'll simply
> junk the rest of the console or turn it into a liquor cabinet. That would
> be a particular shame since this is appears to be a really nice and
> complete original example of a fine, RARE Capehart. Trust me: the 41E-2
> machines are RARE! Let's see one of our Phono-L members give this complete
> unit the home it deserves. This model is particularly easy to enjoy while
> you're not playing records as it has t
> >  he modern FM radio band which means you can actually listen to good
> radio programs on it. In glorious monophonic sound, of course. I don't have
> a problem with collectors mounting things under glass to admire, but to
> destroy a perfectly good, working piece of fine equipment just to preserve
> one part of it really grinds my gears. I'd bid on it, but I don't have room
> for it.
> >
> > Greg Bogantz
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From john9ten at pacbell.net  Sat Mar 27 04:51:12 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:51:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
Message-ID: <848133.80133.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all
I have a beautiful Amberola A-VI with that loud aluminum gear - anyone suggest any fixes or methods of quieting it? With the lid down it is ok, but I am thinking of having a new gear made.
Anyone got a junker with a gear that's not too badly worn? This is a beautiful and interesting machine, too bad it was such a failure.
Thanks
John Robles

From C5fan at aol.com  Sat Mar 27 07:03:29 2010
From: C5fan at aol.com (C5fan at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:03:29 EDT
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
Message-ID: <3f9b4.15d3fbb9.38df6a31@aol.com>

I have the same problem with mine. Did anybody make a reproduction? 
 
 
In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:59:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
john9ten at pacbell.net writes:

Hello  all
I have a beautiful Amberola A-VI with that loud aluminum gear - anyone  
suggest any fixes or methods of quieting it? With the lid down it is ok, but I  
am thinking of having a new gear made.
Anyone got a junker with a gear  that's not too badly worn? This is a 
beautiful and interesting machine, too  bad it was such a failure.
Thanks
John  Robles
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From john9ten at pacbell.net  Sat Mar 27 08:51:23 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:51:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
In-Reply-To: <3f9b4.15d3fbb9.38df6a31@aol.com>
Message-ID: <556070.20830.qm@web80704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I understand that the early brass gear was noisy and this aluminum replacement wore out. Why didn't they make it of steel? Aluminum seems a stupid choice. There must be a way to remedy this.....Maybe I need to go find an old fashioned machine shop or a clock gear maker!
John

--- On Sat, 3/27/10, C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com> wrote:

From: C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:03 AM

I have the same problem with mine. Did anybody make a reproduction? 
 
 
In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:59:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? 
john9ten at pacbell.net writes:

Hello? all
I have a beautiful Amberola A-VI with that loud aluminum gear - anyone? 
suggest any fixes or methods of quieting it? With the lid down it is ok, but I? 
am thinking of having a new gear made.
Anyone got a junker with a gear? that's not too badly worn? This is a 
beautiful and interesting machine, too? bad it was such a failure.
Thanks
John? Robles
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From appywander at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 27 10:27:51 2010
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:27:51 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
In-Reply-To: <556070.20830.qm@web80704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <3f9b4.15d3fbb9.38df6a31@aol.com>,
	<556070.20830.qm@web80704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT138-w56CC9853AD8170C0ACB6F6DC220@phx.gbl>

I would think nylon would make a strong and quiet gear, rather than cutting replacements from metals.

> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:51:23 -0700
> From: john9ten at pacbell.net
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> 
> I understand that the early brass gear was noisy and this aluminum replacement wore out. Why didn't they make it of steel? Aluminum seems a stupid choice. There must be a way to remedy this.....Maybe I need to go find an old fashioned machine shop or a clock gear maker!
> John
> 
> --- On Sat, 3/27/10, C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> From: C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:03 AM
> 
> I have the same problem with mine. Did anybody make a reproduction? 
>  
>  
> In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:59:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> john9ten at pacbell.net writes:
> 
> Hello  all
> I have a beautiful Amberola A-VI with that loud aluminum gear - anyone  
> suggest any fixes or methods of quieting it? With the lid down it is ok, but I  
> am thinking of having a new gear made.
> Anyone got a junker with a gear  that's not too badly worn? This is a 
> beautiful and interesting machine, too  bad it was such a failure.
> Thanks
> John  Robles
> _______________________________________________
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> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> 
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From smstitt at gmail.com  Sat Mar 27 12:11:06 2010
From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:11:06 -0700
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
In-Reply-To: <SNT138-w56CC9853AD8170C0ACB6F6DC220@phx.gbl>
References: <3f9b4.15d3fbb9.38df6a31@aol.com>
	<556070.20830.qm@web80704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT138-w56CC9853AD8170C0ACB6F6DC220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7e8e90ff1003271211m14e687e7ncae9ff6fdc4374d4@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps the machine is what it is...It has made 90+ years. Enjoy it squawks
and noises and wrinkles.
It has earned them. Funny tho' my beard has gone gray and silver, think I
might dye it back to red.
Oldcranky

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM, John Maeder <appywander at hotmail.com>wrote:

> I would think nylon would make a strong and quiet gear, rather than cutting
> replacements from metals.
>
> > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:51:23 -0700
> > From: john9ten at pacbell.net
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> >
> > I understand that the early brass gear was noisy and this aluminum
> replacement wore out. Why didn't they make it of steel? Aluminum seems a
> stupid choice. There must be a way to remedy this.....Maybe I need to go
> find an old fashioned machine shop or a clock gear maker!
> > John
> >
> > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:03 AM
> >
> > I have the same problem with mine. Did anybody make a reproduction?
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:59:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > john9ten at pacbell.net writes:
> >
> > Hello  all
> > I have a beautiful Amberola A-VI with that loud aluminum gear - anyone
> > suggest any fixes or methods of quieting it? With the lid down it is ok,
> but I
> > am thinking of having a new gear made.
> > Anyone got a junker with a gear  that's not too badly worn? This is a
> > beautiful and interesting machine, too  bad it was such a failure.
> > Thanks
> > John  Robles
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing  list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
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> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>

From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 27 15:04:19 2010
From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (William Buchanan)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:04:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
In-Reply-To: <7e8e90ff1003271211m14e687e7ncae9ff6fdc4374d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <478386.89531.qm@web57508.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I don't know if he has the part but I did find parts listed on the website from George Vollema.

http://www.victroladoctor.com

http://www.victroladoctor.com/images/Amberola%20A-VI.jpg

I hope you find the part you need.

Bill

--- On Sat, 3/27/10, Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 3:11 PM

Perhaps the machine is what it is...It has made 90+ years. Enjoy it squawks
and noises and wrinkles.
It has earned them. Funny tho' my beard has gone gray and silver, think I
might dye it back to red.
Oldcranky

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM, John Maeder <appywander at hotmail.com>wrote:

> I would think nylon would make a strong and quiet gear, rather than cutting
> replacements from metals.
>
> > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:51:23 -0700
> > From: john9ten at pacbell.net
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> >
> > I understand that the early brass gear was noisy and this aluminum
> replacement wore out. Why didn't they make it of steel? Aluminum seems a
> stupid choice. There must be a way to remedy this.....Maybe I need to go
> find an old fashioned machine shop or a clock gear maker!
> > John
> >
> > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:03 AM
> >
> > I have the same problem with mine. Did anybody make a reproduction?
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:59:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > john9ten at pacbell.net writes:
> >
> > Hello? all
> > I have a beautiful Amberola A-VI with that loud aluminum gear - anyone
> > suggest any fixes or methods of quieting it? With the lid down it is ok,
> but I
> > am thinking of having a new gear made.
> > Anyone got a junker with a gear? that's not too badly worn? This is a
> > beautiful and interesting machine, too? bad it was such a failure.
> > Thanks
> > John? Robles
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing? list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
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From steve_noreen at msn.com  Sat Mar 27 18:30:35 2010
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:30:35 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] What is this?
Message-ID: <COL118-W30653618E602CB041B8CA4F6210@phx.gbl>


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200449137442 		 	   		  

From john9ten at pacbell.net  Sat Mar 27 18:35:55 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:35:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] What is this?
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W30653618E602CB041B8CA4F6210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <325654.16026.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It looks like maybe a sapphire holder for a Columbia or Pathe floating reproducer. 
Just my guess.
John Robles

--- On Sat, 3/27/10, Steven Medved <steve_noreen at msn.com> wrote:

From: Steven Medved <steve_noreen at msn.com>
Subject: [Phono-L] What is this?
To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>, "phonolist" <phonolist at yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 6:30 PM


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200449137442 ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? 
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From john9ten at pacbell.net  Sat Mar 27 18:39:21 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:39:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
In-Reply-To: <7e8e90ff1003271211m14e687e7ncae9ff6fdc4374d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <872928.22858.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That's a point. I bought it because it was so unusual and beautiful, and maybe the noise is a part of that. but that aluminum gear is going to keep on wearing down...I like the nylon idea!
John
--- On Sat, 3/27/10, Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 12:11 PM

Perhaps the machine is what it is...It has made 90+ years. Enjoy it squawks
and noises and wrinkles.
It has earned them. Funny tho' my beard has gone gray and silver, think I
might dye it back to red.
Oldcranky

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM, John Maeder <appywander at hotmail.com>wrote:

> I would think nylon would make a strong and quiet gear, rather than cutting
> replacements from metals.
>
> > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:51:23 -0700
> > From: john9ten at pacbell.net
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> >
> > I understand that the early brass gear was noisy and this aluminum
> replacement wore out. Why didn't they make it of steel? Aluminum seems a
> stupid choice. There must be a way to remedy this.....Maybe I need to go
> find an old fashioned machine shop or a clock gear maker!
> > John
> >
> > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:03 AM
> >
> > I have the same problem with mine. Did anybody make a reproduction?
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:59:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > john9ten at pacbell.net writes:
> >
> > Hello? all
> > I have a beautiful Amberola A-VI with that loud aluminum gear - anyone
> > suggest any fixes or methods of quieting it? With the lid down it is ok,
> but I
> > am thinking of having a new gear made.
> > Anyone got a junker with a gear? that's not too badly worn? This is a
> > beautiful and interesting machine, too? bad it was such a failure.
> > Thanks
> > John? Robles
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing? list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
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From smstitt at gmail.com  Sat Mar 27 19:27:57 2010
From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:27:57 -0700
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
In-Reply-To: <872928.22858.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <7e8e90ff1003271211m14e687e7ncae9ff6fdc4374d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<872928.22858.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7e8e90ff1003271927r239c0b64ibfc617a0280e51e8@mail.gmail.com>

John,
I take your point. I would say however don't worry about wearing the machine
or machines out. I have Victors and Edisons that will run long after I'm
dead, with original grease. Kind of like those cylinders that look like new
100 years later played on original styli. That is the appeal after all, for
me.
Leave 'em alone until it really needs to be helped by you or me. I wish
collectors would leave them untouched if not broken. 50 years from now if
not sooner some new collector will say who the hell put nylon in a 150 year
old machine. I have a great 1820's banjo clock that goes tick-tock. Glad
someone didn't throw a quartz movement in it to quiet it
down......imho....lol.
Oldcranky

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 6:39 PM, john robles <john9ten at pacbell.net> wrote:

> That's a point. I bought it because it was so unusual and beautiful, and
> maybe the noise is a part of that. but that aluminum gear is going to keep
> on wearing down...I like the nylon idea!
> John
> --- On Sat, 3/27/10, Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 12:11 PM
>
> Perhaps the machine is what it is...It has made 90+ years. Enjoy it squawks
> and noises and wrinkles.
> It has earned them. Funny tho' my beard has gone gray and silver, think I
> might dye it back to red.
> Oldcranky
>
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM, John Maeder <appywander at hotmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I would think nylon would make a strong and quiet gear, rather than
> cutting
> > replacements from metals.
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:51:23 -0700
> > > From: john9ten at pacbell.net
> > > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> > >
> > > I understand that the early brass gear was noisy and this aluminum
> > replacement wore out. Why didn't they make it of steel? Aluminum seems a
> > stupid choice. There must be a way to remedy this.....Maybe I need to go
> > find an old fashioned machine shop or a clock gear maker!
> > > John
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> > > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:03 AM
> > >
> > > I have the same problem with mine. Did anybody make a reproduction?
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:59:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > john9ten at pacbell.net writes:
> > >
> > > Hello  all
> > > I have a beautiful Amberola A-VI with that loud aluminum gear - anyone
> > > suggest any fixes or methods of quieting it? With the lid down it is
> ok,
> > but I
> > > am thinking of having a new gear made.
> > > Anyone got a junker with a gear  that's not too badly worn? This is a
> > > beautiful and interesting machine, too  bad it was such a failure.
> > > Thanks
> > > John  Robles
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Phono-L mailing  list
> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Phono-L mailing list
> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Phono-L mailing list
> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From edisone1 at verizon.net  Sat Mar 27 18:54:22 2010
From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:54:22 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
References: <872928.22858.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D3B634EC19B417799387AAC7E5725FB@T42>

 Not so much a point, actually.  Seeing as Edison & Co realized it was a 
problem & provided replacements, it's perfectly legit to seek another 
replacement today.  I see nothing wrong with a better alternative to the 
best they had at the time, which was aluminum.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help


That's a point. I bought it because it was so unusual and beautiful, and 
maybe the noise is a part of that. but that aluminum gear is going to keep 
on wearing down...I like the nylon idea!
John
--- On Sat, 3/27/10, Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 12:11 PM

Perhaps the machine is what it is...It has made 90+ years. Enjoy it squawks
and noises and wrinkles. 


From backden at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 27 20:09:17 2010
From: backden at yahoo.com (Dennis Back)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:09:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Phono-L] If it ain't broke.... (was Amberola A-VI help)
In-Reply-To: <7e8e90ff1003271927r239c0b64ibfc617a0280e51e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <908510.21376.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>





From: Mike Stitt
Leave 'em alone until it really needs to be helped by you or me. I wish
collectors would leave them untouched if not broken. 50 years from now if
not sooner some new collector will say who the hell put nylon in a 150 year
old machine

---------------------------

I agree with you.? My late father used to say, "Fix it up, shine, polish is up, so it will run and? look just like new."

I only took his advice one time (on an antique wooden camera).? My phonographs mostly have original finishes and unpolished brass.? 

Dennis 



      

From gpaul2000 at aol.com  Sat Mar 27 20:53:26 2010
From: gpaul2000 at aol.com (gpaul2000 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:53:26 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] What is this?
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W30653618E602CB041B8CA4F6210@phx.gbl>
References: <COL118-W30653618E602CB041B8CA4F6210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CC9C415AA9D1F8-2B5C-C7D9@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com>


 This is the "Ruby Point", invented by Jay Warren Moyer and sold by the Penn Phonograph Company in 1900 for $1.  Unfortunately, the disc is missing its red stylus.  Neat little item - and in a Hawthorne & Sheble "Aluminum Disc" box which originally housed a similar item.

George P.

 


 

 

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Sent: Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:30 pm
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From tomj33 at msn.com  Sat Mar 27 21:29:03 2010
From: tomj33 at msn.com (Tom Jordan)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:29:03 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
In-Reply-To: <872928.22858.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <7e8e90ff1003271211m14e687e7ncae9ff6fdc4374d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<872928.22858.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP43EEB08F61837737397D0CD9210@phx.gbl>

As long as it plays cylinders well, I would leave it alone.

My two cents worth...

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:39 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help

That's a point. I bought it because it was so unusual and beautiful, and
maybe the noise is a part of that. but that aluminum gear is going to keep
on wearing down...I like the nylon idea!
John
--- On Sat, 3/27/10, Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 12:11 PM

Perhaps the machine is what it is...It has made 90+ years. Enjoy it squawks
and noises and wrinkles.
It has earned them. Funny tho' my beard has gone gray and silver, think I
might dye it back to red.
Oldcranky

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM, John Maeder <appywander at hotmail.com>wrote:

> I would think nylon would make a strong and quiet gear, rather than
cutting
> replacements from metals.
>
> > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:51:23 -0700
> > From: john9ten at pacbell.net
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> >
> > I understand that the early brass gear was noisy and this aluminum
> replacement wore out. Why didn't they make it of steel? Aluminum seems a
> stupid choice. There must be a way to remedy this.....Maybe I need to go
> find an old fashioned machine shop or a clock gear maker!
> > John
> >
> > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:03 AM
> >
> > I have the same problem with mine. Did anybody make a reproduction?
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:59:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > john9ten at pacbell.net writes:
> >
> > Hello? all
> > I have a beautiful Amberola A-VI with that loud aluminum gear - anyone
> > suggest any fixes or methods of quieting it? With the lid down it is ok,
> but I
> > am thinking of having a new gear made.
> > Anyone got a junker with a gear? that's not too badly worn? This is a
> > beautiful and interesting machine, too? bad it was such a failure.
> > Thanks
> > John? Robles
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing? list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
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From appywander at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 27 22:10:27 2010
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 01:10:27 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP43EEB08F61837737397D0CD9210@phx.gbl>
References: <7e8e90ff1003271211m14e687e7ncae9ff6fdc4374d4@mail.gmail.com>,
	<872928.22858.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<BLU0-SMTP43EEB08F61837737397D0CD9210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT138-w563C7E103611124AC6C556DC210@phx.gbl>

I think nylon would solve the immediate problem, and would not be an irreversible repair.

> From: tomj33 at msn.com
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:29:03 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> 
> As long as it plays cylinders well, I would leave it alone.
> 
> My two cents worth...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
> Behalf Of john robles
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:39 PM
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> 
> That's a point. I bought it because it was so unusual and beautiful, and
> maybe the noise is a part of that. but that aluminum gear is going to keep
> on wearing down...I like the nylon idea!
> John
> --- On Sat, 3/27/10, Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 12:11 PM
> 
> Perhaps the machine is what it is...It has made 90+ years. Enjoy it squawks
> and noises and wrinkles.
> It has earned them. Funny tho' my beard has gone gray and silver, think I
> might dye it back to red.
> Oldcranky
> 
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM, John Maeder <appywander at hotmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > I would think nylon would make a strong and quiet gear, rather than
> cutting
> > replacements from metals.
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:51:23 -0700
> > > From: john9ten at pacbell.net
> > > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> > >
> > > I understand that the early brass gear was noisy and this aluminum
> > replacement wore out. Why didn't they make it of steel? Aluminum seems a
> > stupid choice. There must be a way to remedy this.....Maybe I need to go
> > find an old fashioned machine shop or a clock gear maker!
> > > John
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: C5fan at aol.com <C5fan at aol.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
> > > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:03 AM
> > >
> > > I have the same problem with mine. Did anybody make a reproduction?
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 3/27/2010 9:59:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > john9ten at pacbell.net writes:
> > >
> > > Hello  all
> > > I have a beautiful Amberola A-VI with that loud aluminum gear - anyone
> > > suggest any fixes or methods of quieting it? With the lid down it is ok,
> > but I
> > > am thinking of having a new gear made.
> > > Anyone got a junker with a gear  that's not too badly worn? This is a
> > > beautiful and interesting machine, too  bad it was such a failure.
> > > Thanks
> > > John  Robles
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Phono-L mailing  list
> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Phono-L mailing list
> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Phono-L mailing list
> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From phonofolks at aol.com  Sun Mar 28 04:58:46 2010
From: phonofolks at aol.com (phonofolks at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:58:46 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help
In-Reply-To: <3D3B634EC19B417799387AAC7E5725FB@T42>
References: <872928.22858.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<3D3B634EC19B417799387AAC7E5725FB@T42>
Message-ID: <8CC9C8527AD4A85-1330-1291B@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com>


Hmmm... if aluminum was the best they had at that time why did Edison have to provide replacements?

John: By law you cannot remove that gear! Did you read the new Health Care bill just signed by the president? See page 1678, section 1177Y1J2b(c)1aB23.6 of the health care bill enacted by President Obama.  It states,  " Any citizen residing in the United States in their right mind cannot change out, under penalty of purjury, any original parts to an edison or columbia phonograph unless it is absolutely necessary and the part  is beyond repair. If such a part is removed unnecessarily the Secretary has the right to confiscate machine and the owner, et. al." 

Becareful John. :)







-----Original Message-----
From: DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Sat, Mar 27, 2010 9:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help


Not so much a point, actually. Seeing as Edison & Co realized it was a problem & provided replacements, it's perfectly legit to seek another replacement today. I see nothing wrong with a better alternative to the best they had at the time, which was aluminum. 
 
----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net> 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> 
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help 
 
That's a point. I bought it because it was so unusual and beautiful, and maybe the noise is a part of that. but that aluminum gear is going to keep on wearing down...I like the nylon idea! 
John 
--- On Sat, 3/27/10, Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com> wrote: 
 
From: Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola A-VI help 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> 
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 12:11 PM 
 
Perhaps the machine is what it is...It has made 90+ years. Enjoy it squawks 
and noises and wrinkles.  
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From jnichol at fuse.net  Sun Mar 28 06:09:27 2010
From: jnichol at fuse.net (Jim Nichol)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 09:09:27 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] What is this?
In-Reply-To: <8CC9C415AA9D1F8-2B5C-C7D9@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com>
References: <COL118-W30653618E602CB041B8CA4F6210@phx.gbl>
	<8CC9C415AA9D1F8-2B5C-C7D9@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <F9972ABB-98A0-42F1-A987-67F82D8DB4B3@fuse.net>

So what is it?

Jim

On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:53 PM, gpaul2000 at aol.com wrote:

>
> This is the "Ruby Point", invented by Jay Warren Moyer and sold by  
> the Penn Phonograph Company in 1900 for $1.  Unfortunately, the disc  
> is missing its red stylus.  Neat little item - and in a Hawthorne &  
> Sheble "Aluminum Disc" box which originally housed a similar item.
>
> George P.


From gpaul2000 at aol.com  Sun Mar 28 07:10:52 2010
From: gpaul2000 at aol.com (gpaul2000 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:10:52 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] What is this?
In-Reply-To: <F9972ABB-98A0-42F1-A987-67F82D8DB4B3@fuse.net>
References: <COL118-W30653618E602CB041B8CA4F6210@phx.gbl><8CC9C415AA9D1F8-2B5C-C7D9@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com>
	<F9972ABB-98A0-42F1-A987-67F82D8DB4B3@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <8CC9C979BC5BA5F-14D8-1FC11@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>


 The "Ruby Point" was a replacement cup & stylus meant for a Graphophone reproducer.  The owner would remove the original metal stylus arm, cement the "Ruby Point" into place on the diaphragm, and enjoy the results.  An ad in the June 1900 issue of The Phonoscope claimed, 

"Sells Like Hot Cakes.  Only $1.00.  Increases the volume 50 per cent.  Eliminates all blast; sweetens the tone.  By far the greatest improvement ever made for the Graphophone.  Consists of a glass base with hard composition tip.  No trouble to sell this point.  Needs only to be shown to effect a sale.  Adjusted to your reproducer for $1.00.  LIBERAL TRADE DISCOUNT.  Beware of all metal imitations, with the point set in, they lack the brilliancy in reproduction which so distinguishes the Ruby Point."

 
It's interesting that the Penn Phonograph Company should have warned against use of "metal imitations, with the point set in" (alluding to Hawthorne & Sheble's "Aluminum Disc"), and then introduce a similar model as seen in the eBay listing.  The earlier "Ruby Point" model with glass base is shown in Antique Phonograph Accessories & Contraptions on page 72, Fig. 2-24.

George P.


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Nichol <jnichol at fuse.net>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 9:09 am
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this?


So what is it? 
 
Jim 
 
On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:53 PM, gpaul2000 at aol.com wrote: 
 
> 
> This is the "Ruby Point", invented by Jay Warren Moyer and sold by > the Penn Phonograph Company in 1900 for $1.  Unfortunately, the disc > is missing its red stylus.  Neat little item - and in a Hawthorne & > Sheble "Aluminum Disc" box which originally housed a similar item. 
> 
> George P. 
 
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From jnichol at fuse.net  Sun Mar 28 07:24:49 2010
From: jnichol at fuse.net (Jim Nichol)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:24:49 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] What is this?
In-Reply-To: <8CC9C979BC5BA5F-14D8-1FC11@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
References: <COL118-W30653618E602CB041B8CA4F6210@phx.gbl><8CC9C415AA9D1F8-2B5C-C7D9@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com>
	<F9972ABB-98A0-42F1-A987-67F82D8DB4B3@fuse.net>
	<8CC9C979BC5BA5F-14D8-1FC11@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <99B0A16A-4631-4016-9718-86DB90BD806E@fuse.net>

So the Ruby Point is much smaller than a reproducers diaphragm? I  
can't get any idea of size from the picture.

Jim

On Mar 28, 2010, at 10:10 AM, gpaul2000 at aol.com wrote:

>
> The "Ruby Point" was a replacement cup & stylus meant for a  
> Graphophone reproducer.  The owner would remove the original metal  
> stylus arm, cement the "Ruby Point" into place on the diaphragm, and  
> enjoy the results.  An ad in the June 1900 issue of The Phonoscope  
> claimed,
>
> "Sells Like Hot Cakes.  Only $1.00.  Increases the volume 50 per  
> cent.  Eliminates all blast; sweetens the tone.  By far the greatest  
> improvement ever made for the Graphophone.  Consists of a glass base  
> with hard composition tip.  No trouble to sell this point.  Needs  
> only to be shown to effect a sale.  Adjusted to your reproducer for  
> $1.00.  LIBERAL TRADE DISCOUNT.  Beware of all metal imitations,  
> with the point set in, they lack the brilliancy in reproduction  
> which so distinguishes the Ruby Point."
>
>
> It's interesting that the Penn Phonograph Company should have warned  
> against use of "metal imitations, with the point set in" (alluding  
> to Hawthorne & Sheble's "Aluminum Disc"), and then introduce a  
> similar model as seen in the eBay listing.  The earlier "Ruby Point"  
> model with glass base is shown in Antique Phonograph Accessories &  
> Contraptions on page 72, Fig. 2-24.
>
> George P.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Nichol <jnichol at fuse.net>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 9:09 am
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this?
>
>
> So what is it?
>
> Jim
>
> On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:53 PM, gpaul2000 at aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> This is the "Ruby Point", invented by Jay Warren Moyer and sold by  
>> > the Penn Phonograph Company in 1900 for $1.  Unfortunately, the  
>> disc > is missing its red stylus.  Neat little item - and in a  
>> Hawthorne & > Sheble "Aluminum Disc" box which originally housed a  
>> similar item.
>>
>> George P.
>
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From gpaul2000 at aol.com  Sun Mar 28 09:20:12 2010
From: gpaul2000 at aol.com (gpaul2000 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:20:12 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] What is this?
In-Reply-To: <99B0A16A-4631-4016-9718-86DB90BD806E@fuse.net>
References: <COL118-W30653618E602CB041B8CA4F6210@phx.gbl><8CC9C415AA9D1F8-2B5C-C7D9@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com><F9972ABB-98A0-42F1-A987-67F82D8DB4B3@fuse.net><8CC9C979BC5BA5F-14D8-1FC11@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>
	<99B0A16A-4631-4016-9718-86DB90BD806E@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <8CC9CA9AD212AF6-1C40-122CC@Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com>


 Yes - - less than half the diameter of the Graphophone's diaphragm.

George P.

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Nichol <jnichol at fuse.net>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 10:24 am
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this?


So the Ruby Point is much smaller than a reproducers diaphragm? I can't get any idea of size from the picture. 
 
Jim 
 
On Mar 28, 2010, at 10:10 AM, gpaul2000 at aol.com wrote: 
 
> 
> The "Ruby Point" was a replacement cup & stylus meant for a > Graphophone reproducer.  The owner would remove the original metal > stylus arm, cement the "Ruby Point" into place on the diaphragm, and > enjoy the results.  An ad in the June 1900 issue of The Phonoscope > claimed, 
> 
> "Sells Like Hot Cakes.  Only $1.00.  Increases the volume 50 per > cent.  Eliminates all blast; sweetens the tone.  By far the greatest > improvement ever made for the Graphophone.  Consists of a glass base > with hard composition tip.  No trouble to sell this point.  Needs > only to be shown to effect a sale.  Adjusted to your reproducer for > $1.00.  LIBERAL TRADE DISCOUNT.  Beware of all metal imitations, > with the point set in, they lack the brilliancy in reproduction > which so distinguishes the Ruby Point." 
> 
> 
> It's interesting that the Penn Phonograph Company should have warned > against use of "metal imitations, with the point set in" (alluding > to Hawthorne & Sheble's "Aluminum Disc"), and then introduce a > similar model as seen in the eBay listing.  The earlier "Ruby Point" > model with glass base is shown in Antique Phonograph Accessories & > Contraptions on page 72, Fig. 2-24. 
> 
> George P. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Jim Nichol <jnichol at fuse.net> 
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org> 
> Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 9:09 am 
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is this? 
> 
> 
> So what is it? 
> 
> Jim 
> 
> On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:53 PM, gpaul2000 at aol.com wrote: 
> 
>> 
>> This is the "Ruby Point", invented by Jay Warren Moyer and sold by >> > the Penn Phonograph Company in 1900 for $1.  Unfortunately, the >> disc > is missing its red stylus.  Neat little item - and in a >> Hawthorne & > Sheble "Aluminum Disc" box which originally housed a >> similar item. 
>> 
>> George P. 
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From cdh041 at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 28 14:07:30 2010
From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:07:30 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
Message-ID: <410-22010302821730718@earthlink.net>

Well, the Capehart sold for $6100.00. I had planned on bidding, but the
bids topped 2 grand before I would have bid. I only hope that the buyer
treats the set with the affection that the price suggests.

I sort of think that it had a little too much publicity in these posts. 


> [Original Message]
> From: Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 3/23/2010 8:38:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
>
>     Abe, the Capehart radio/phonos made from the mid 1930s to about 1950 
> were among the very finest, most exclusive models available in the USA. 
> With very few exceptions such as the D-22 and the QU-8 which actually
used a 
> Capehart 16E changer and the postwar Berkshire series, ALL of which are
very 
> rare, RCA had nothing to compare.  Aside from a very few other specialty 
> makers such as E.H. Scott and McMurdo Silver, there were were no 
> radio/phonos available in the USA that compared with the Capeharts. 
That's 
> why these Capeharts are held in such high regard by collectors today.
>
>     There were two common series made during these years, the 100 and the 
> 400 series (model number were in these ranges).  The 100 series was the 
> cheaper one with smaller amplifiers and less elaborate cabinetry.  The
400 
> series looked similar to the 100 series, but they usually (not always)
had 
> more and/or larger amplifiers and more expensive speakers and more
elaborate 
> cabinets.  There was also a much rarer 300 series which were "tall-boy" 
> cabinets with the components stacked vertically, and the EXTREMELY RARE
500 
> series which were the SUPER deluxe models available usually by special, 
> customized order only.  All these series used the exclusive Capehart 
> flipover record changers.  The early (prewar) record changers were the
16E 
> models (several variations), and the postwar changers were the 41E models 
> which are easily identifiable by their chromed, tubular tonearms.  All
these 
> changers played only 78rpm until the 41E-2 model which came out about
late 
> 1948.  This model had interchangeable TONEARMS (not just headshells) that 
> provided for either 78rpm or for microgroove 33rpm playback.  The 41E-2
was 
> made for only a short time (probably less than 2 years) before Capehart 
> discontinued the flipover changers completely and went to cheaper
drop-type 
> changers, most of which were furnished by VM (Voice of Music).  These
later 
> Capeharts (starting around 1950) used a different numbering system and
were 
> cheapened considerably from the early 100 and 400 series.  These later 
> Capeharts are not very collectible and do not bring high prices from 
> collectors.  The B-1002-F model that you have mentioned in Arizona is an 
> example of one of these later, post 1950 models.  It would probably bring 
> around $200 in nice condition.
>
> Greg Bogantz
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Abe Feder" <abefeder1 at gmail.com>
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
>
>
> > Greg, I have noted that you and several members like the Capehart units
. 
> > I
> > have seen a few of them here in Arizona from time to time.-I know
nothing
> > about them. There is one for sale now on Craigslist a model # B-1002-F.
> > Owner says that it has been in his family for 60 years. He has original
> > instruction manual as well as bill of sale and is asking $750.00. Any
> > comments about it or price?
> > Thx Abe Feder
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I realize that electronic phonos are a bit off-topic for this forum,
but
> >> for those of you who can really appreciate a fine Capehart, here's a
rare
> >> find: A 414N-1 with the VERY hard to find 41E-2 flipover changer:
> >>
> >> eBay Item #150426006960
> >>
> >> This is the last version of the 41E changer that has the
interchangeable
> >> tonearms and plays both 78 and 33rpm microgroove records, circa 1949.
I'm
> >> posting this here to try to rescue this unit from the grimy clutches
of 
> >> the
> >> Western Weenies who are going to buy this console ONLY to rip out the
> >> Western Electric speaker from it so that they can mount it under glass 
> >> and
> >> drool over it. Note that there is already a bidder question posted
about
> >> wanting to see the speaker. Then they'll sell off the N-1 power amp
with 
> >> the
> >> 2A3 output triodes to some golden ear tube yahoos. Then they'll simply 
> >> junk
> >> the rest of the console or turn it into a liquor cabinet. That would
be a
> >> particular shame since this is appears to be a really nice and complete
> >> original example of a fine, RARE Capehart. Trust me: the 41E-2
machines 
> >> are
> >> RARE! Let's see one of our Phono-L members give this complete unit the 
> >> home
> >> it deserves. This model is particularly easy to enjoy while you're not
> >> playing records as it has t
> >>  he modern FM radio band which means you can actually listen to good 
> >> radio
> >> programs on it. In glorious monophonic sound, of course. I don't have a
> >> problem with collectors mounting things under glass to admire, but to
> >> destroy a perfectly good, working piece of fine equipment just to 
> >> preserve
> >> one part of it really grinds my gears. I'd bid on it, but I don't have 
> >> room
> >> for it.
> >>
> >> Greg Bogantz
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From steve_noreen at msn.com  Sun Mar 28 16:02:24 2010
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:02:24 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] "Ruby Point"
In-Reply-To: <8CC9CA9AD212AF6-1C40-122CC@Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com>
References: <COL118-W30653618E602CB041B8CA4F6210@phx.gbl><8CC9C415AA9D1F8-2B5C-C7D9@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com><F9972ABB-98A0-42F1-A987-67F82D8DB4B3@fuse.net><8CC9C979BC5BA5F-14D8-1FC11@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com>,
	<99B0A16A-4631-4016-9718-86DB90BD806E@fuse.net>,
	<8CC9CA9AD212AF6-1C40-122CC@Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W6230BF2C935582FE0EF61AF6210@phx.gbl>


Hello George P.,

Once again I find myself impressed with your knowledge, thanks so much for your answer.  Have you ever heard one play?  Did it use a ruby?  

Thanks again for your knowledge and your kindness in sharing it with us.

Steve
 		 	   		  

From Phonophan at aol.com  Sun Mar 28 16:38:03 2010
From: Phonophan at aol.com (Phonophan at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:38:03 EDT
Subject: [Phono-L] "Ruby Point"
Message-ID: <9318.1f473546.38e1425b@aol.com>

Hi, folks--- got into this late, but George has ably explained it all. Just 
to answer the qustion about whether it's a ruby -- undoubtedly not, I'm 
sure it's just formed glass, "ruby colored" (they called it a "hard composition 
tip"). The one in the book belongs to me, and as for how it sounds---- 
considering the limitations of the Columbia small-diameter floaters, not bad! It 
has always siurprised me the diversity of
what could be used as a "stylus mount" for a Columbia floater -- "cups," 
old ball point pen tops, percussion caps, etc.-- and still produce an 
acceptable sound. 
 
Best to all,
 
Tim Fabrizio
phonophan
PO Box 747 
Henrietta, NY 14467

TEL 585 582 1586
FAX 585 582 2624
Web site: www.phonophan.com

From jnichol at fuse.net  Sun Mar 28 16:57:21 2010
From: jnichol at fuse.net (Jim Nichol)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:57:21 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] "Ruby Point"
In-Reply-To: <9318.1f473546.38e1425b@aol.com>
References: <9318.1f473546.38e1425b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <743A0082-1D26-4B14-9A76-FAA8B40DC222@fuse.net>

Which, book? Page #?

Jim

On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Phonophan at aol.com wrote:

> Hi, folks--- got into this late, but George has ably explained it all. Just 
> to answer the qustion about whether it's a ruby -- undoubtedly not, I'm 
> sure it's just formed glass, "ruby colored" (they called it a "hard composition 
> tip"). The one in the book belongs to me, and as for how it sounds---- 
> considering the limitations of the Columbia small-diameter floaters, not bad! It 
> has always siurprised me the diversity of
> what could be used as a "stylus mount" for a Columbia floater -- "cups," 
> old ball point pen tops, percussion caps, etc.-- and still produce an 
> acceptable sound. 
> 
> Best to all,
> 
> Tim Fabrizio
> phonophan
> PO Box 747 
> Henrietta, NY 14467
> 
> TEL 585 582 1586
> FAX 585 582 2624
> Web site: www.phonophan.com
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From gpaul2000 at aol.com  Sun Mar 28 17:34:24 2010
From: gpaul2000 at aol.com (gpaul2000 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:34:24 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] "Ruby Point"
In-Reply-To: <743A0082-1D26-4B14-9A76-FAA8B40DC222@fuse.net>
References: <9318.1f473546.38e1425b@aol.com>
	<743A0082-1D26-4B14-9A76-FAA8B40DC222@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <8CC9CEEB73F540D-5958-A972@Webmail-m107.sysops.aol.com>


 Steve,

As quoted from the ad, the stylus was a "hard composition tip."  I'm not sure I'd want to play any prized records with it!


Jim,

As mentioned in a previous email, the photo of the earlier glass-based version can be seen in Antique Phonograph Accessories & Contraptions on page 72, Fig. 2-24.  Of course, the Master Index in the Talking Machine Compendium, 2nd Edition can also be used in cases like this - - just look under "Ruby Point."

George P.

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Nichol <jnichol at fuse.net>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] "Ruby Point"


Which, book? Page #?

Jim

On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Phonophan at aol.com wrote:

> Hi, folks--- got into this late, but George has ably explained it all. Just 
> to answer the qustion about whether it's a ruby -- undoubtedly not, I'm 
> sure it's just formed glass, "ruby colored" (they called it a "hard 
composition 
> tip"). The one in the book belongs to me, and as for how it sounds---- 
> considering the limitations of the Columbia small-diameter floaters, not bad! 
It 
> has always siurprised me the diversity of
> what could be used as a "stylus mount" for a Columbia floater -- "cups," 
> old ball point pen tops, percussion caps, etc.-- and still produce an 
> acceptable sound. 
> 
> Best to all,
> 
> Tim Fabrizio
> phonophan
> PO Box 747 
> Henrietta, NY 14467
> 
> TEL 585 582 1586
> FAX 585 582 2624
> Web site: www.phonophan.com
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From maxbud12 at wowway.com  Wed Mar 31 10:54:59 2010
From: maxbud12 at wowway.com (Bruce Mercer)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:54:59 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
References: <410-22010302821730718@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000701cad0fb$480d99a0$0262fea9@wowway.com>



Judging from the price paid and looking at what the buyer has previously
bought, I would say the Capehart is in good hands. I've seen that WE speaker
go for almost 3K. A 41-E changer (not w/L.P.) went for about 1300.00 a
couple weeks ago. I bought an identical one for about 300.00 three or four
years ago. One of my Capeharts is the 414-N (78's only) and operates smooth
as silk, once it's adjusted properly. I did go through a few junk records to
get it that way however. With the GE pickup it is extremely kind to some
very expensive records I play on it. I reserve the 405-E for just the
occaisonal play as it 'is' hard on records because of the weight of the
pickup. The 1935 cabinet is more heavily built (if that is possible) and
just has a charm of its own. Each machine sounds spectacular.
 I think the one recently sold was worth every penny considering very few
were made that played
 33 1/3 albums. I also have to say that is a feature I would not pay a
premium for. Maybe, finally the collecting public has awakened from their
sleep or lack of knowlege of these wonderful phonographs and save them from
gutting and having their parts end up across the Pacific or here, for the
almighty $.
Bruce




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Douglas Houston" <cdh041 at earthlink.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1


> Well, the Capehart sold for $6100.00. I had planned on bidding, but the
> bids topped 2 grand before I would have bid. I only hope that the buyer
> treats the set with the affection that the price suggests.
>
> I sort of think that it had a little too much publicity in these posts.


From cdh041 at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 31 14:59:33 2010
From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:59:33 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
Message-ID: <410-220103331215933250@earthlink.net>

I was among those who were shocked by the selling price of that Capehart,
and I hope like crazy, that it's in loving hands. 

The Capehart I have is a 114 N2 (?), which is 78 only, and with a
Pfanstiehl pickup. I bought it in the seventies, and the chassis needs
re-capping like nothing I've ever done!  Mine has the 6L6 amplifier, and I
confess, I've never looked to see what speaker is in it. 

Long ago, I was at a radio meet, and a guy was toting in,  one of the
Capehart amplifiers, with the 2A3's and all. I asked the price, and he said
$2.00!  No hesitation, I bought it. I am strange at times.


> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Mercer <maxbud12 at wowway.com>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 3/31/2010 12:55:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
>
>
>
> Judging from the price paid and looking at what the buyer has previously
> bought, I would say the Capehart is in good hands. I've seen that WE
speaker
> go for almost 3K. A 41-E changer (not w/L.P.) went for about 1300.00 a
> couple weeks ago. I bought an identical one for about 300.00 three or four
> years ago. One of my Capeharts is the 414-N (78's only) and operates
smooth
> as silk, once it's adjusted properly. I did go through a few junk records
to
> get it that way however. With the GE pickup it is extremely kind to some
> very expensive records I play on it. I reserve the 405-E for just the
> occaisonal play as it 'is' hard on records because of the weight of the
> pickup. The 1935 cabinet is more heavily built (if that is possible) and
> just has a charm of its own. Each machine sounds spectacular.
>  I think the one recently sold was worth every penny considering very few
> were made that played
>  33 1/3 albums. I also have to say that is a feature I would not pay a
> premium for. Maybe, finally the collecting public has awakened from their
> sleep or lack of knowlege of these wonderful phonographs and save them
from
> gutting and having their parts end up across the Pacific or here, for the
> almighty $.
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Douglas Houston" <cdh041 at earthlink.net>
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 3:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] O/T: Capehart 414N-1
>
>
> > Well, the Capehart sold for $6100.00. I had planned on bidding, but the
> > bids topped 2 grand before I would have bid. I only hope that the buyer
> > treats the set with the affection that the price suggests.
> >
> > I sort of think that it had a little too much publicity in these posts.
>
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