From clockworkhome at aol.com Fri Jan 1 01:16:35 2010 From: clockworkhome at aol.com (clockworkhome at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 04:16:35 EST Subject: [Phono-L] 1904 Edison Triumph with Automatic Reproducer Message-ID: <7f.249507d6.386f1773@aol.com> I stand corrected, the seller sent me an email telling me that at the end of the Model As Edison just threw any and all parts together to clear the stocks! I guess he did not know that the Model As went for some time after the machine he has. The Model A ended around 51000. Of special interest is that the machine in question appeared sometime back on eBay in the raised panel cabinet with a normal arm carrying a Model C Reproducer and no adjustment arm. So, this seller put an 'New Style' cabinet on the works and attached an earlier arm with clips. The machine then became "rare." Or, maybe I just don't know anything... ;-) Al HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL From steve_noreen at msn.com Fri Jan 1 11:57:43 2010 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:57:43 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] The last word on Diamond Discs...I think In-Reply-To: <1A7EF2F2C1EA44B693810E528F746BBA@GER1> References: , , <1A7EF2F2C1EA44B693810E528F746BBA@GER1> Message-ID: They will play on a regular 78 rpm modern turntable with 78 setting. They do not sound their best that way but with the light stylus weight I do not think wear or damage would be an issue. I welcome other comments, especially from those who have special modern equipment to play them with. Steve > From: ger55 at comcast.net > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:39:50 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The last word on Diamond Discs...I think > > The machine is gone. If a table model is 70 lbs, the London must have weighed well over a 100 lbs. I could not even lift one side. It was way too heavy for me to realistically deal with...I'm glad I went back though and checked it out. It was a good adventure. As far as the table models...if they're 70 lbs, they're too much for me as well. My limit...is 20 lbs...just about what the records weigh. ;) > > The cabinet was black. No shine. It had spots of white mildew on the inside wood. Nothing we ever got (back in the 1950-60's) looked as bad as this. Those old machines had that nice old wood antiques smell...still do as a matter of fact...and with a little lemon oil shine up nicely. This was beyond lemon oil. I think even my Pop, the inveterate collector would have passed on it. He would have needed help moving it too. > There was a small brass knob just sitting there...don't know where it came from; loose screws floating around; the horn looked kinda green and bent; the front grill had the 4 side pieces stuffed into the cabinet with none of the frilly middle stuff. The closer I looked, the worse IT looked. > > I know you guys like to preserve these things, and I agree with that wish. The weight, in my opinion, is what really made it unrealistic to even contemplate. It was a big white elephant. > > I'm happy to have the records though. I've seen thick DD records in the past, always with the edges all messed up. These have pretty sharp edges; only one had some small bubbling. > And some day I'll get to hear them. > > Happy New Year to everyone. Stay healthy and safe. :) > Ger > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DanKj > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The last word on Diamond Discs...I think > > > Too bad you didn't get some pics of it - I wanted to see what made it seem > such a mess. The solder is supposed to be there, as Ron L'H said, and if > there was anything running into the horn it was just a volume control, which > I remove anyway because it muffles the sound. The straps behind the slots > sound correct, too. Except for the missing grill, how bad is the cabinet? > > You might be disappointed to learn that the few Edison table models are > less common than floor models and they're HEAVY, awkward things. My Chalet > weighs about 70 pounds, and my B-80 nearly as much. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ger" > > > > The poor London model of Edison's Diamond Disc machine looks like it had > > been tortured. The vertical section was there afterall, but a cable, wood > > block and some other things (part going into the horn) were missing. > > Someone had SOLDERED the horn on th.... > > > > Needless to say, the machine still sits with the seller...who is now a bit > > wiser, since I shared the photo and what I knew with her. She seemed not > > at all disappointed and actually fascinated to learn something about the > > poor mess. > > > > As for its WEIGHT. I've got an "AH-HAH!" I took the flashlight and checked > > out the left side where the 24 slots for records was. I could see that 2, > > that's TWO, thick metal weights were in place behind the slots. They went > > across the back, one high, one low. \ > > > > > > I will, however, now keep an eye out for an Edison (table model) which > > could play my records > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Fri Jan 1 12:22:17 2010 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:22:17 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] 1904 Edison Triumph with Automatic Reproducer Message-ID: Dear Al, The triumph cost $50 when $5 a day for wages was a good salary. Who would pay for and why would Edison sell in 1904 a machine with an outdated, poorly sounding reproducer. Also why would he have an automatic from 1898 and a carriage from early 1902 (or earlier) on a machine from after 1904? Equally curious is why more of these are not existing. Edison obviously was not organized and you see many examples of later machines and reproducers with earlier parts, but Edison's goal was to sell records and the early thin weight automatic sounds so bad on the molded records that no one would enjoy gold molded records with it. Edison was so interested in selling records that in 1919 he offered kits to upgrade the Standard, Home, and Triump to the diamond B reproducer. I have seen a home that was modified with one of the kits, the 2/4 decal was removed. Around 1900 Edison almost doubled the weight of the automatic. It is true that Edison never wasted and used up all the obsolete parts, but he did this in an efficient manner. For example in 1901 he introduced the early B reproducer and in 1902 he introduced the Model C reproducer. As you suggested rather than waste he continued to offer the Model B on the Gem sans arm and the later (serial number 50,000 to 90,000) Model B reproducer is found without the word reproducer as he used the early B tops made for the arm. I also found it extremely interesting that Mr. Triumph, Terry Baer essentially said the same thing as you did. I purchased a suitcase home that had the early two clip carriage. This carriage had the adjuster for the arm machined off and it had the centering pin and the "Speaker Clamp Screw" part #2531 installed. It was done so well if I had not noted the four screw holes for the clips I would not have noticed a modification was done. So if Edison found the 1902 (or earlier) carriage after June 1904 he could have updated the carriage and installed a model C so he could sell records to the owner. I believe had the seller had known there were three types of automatic made, the length of production of the A, and that you can approximate the date of phonographs and reproducers by the serial number he could have produced a more convincing machine. Best regards, Steve > I stand corrected, the seller sent me an email telling me that at the end > of the Model As Edison just threw any and all parts together to clear the > stocks! I guess he did not know that the Model As went for some time after the > machine he has. The Model A ended around 51000. > > Of special interest is that the machine in question appeared sometime back > on eBay in the raised panel cabinet with a normal arm carrying a Model C > Reproducer and no adjustment arm. So, this seller put an 'New Style' cabinet > on the works and attached an earlier arm with clips. The machine then became > "rare." > > Or, maybe I just don't know anything... ;-) > > Al > > HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From andy at popyrus.com Fri Jan 1 13:31:25 2010 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:31:25 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] The last word on Diamond Discs...I think In-Reply-To: <1A7EF2F2C1EA44B693810E528F746BBA@GER1> References: <1A7EF2F2C1EA44B693810E528F746BBA@GER1> Message-ID: <1B354A89-41D8-40DF-B188-B99E62263D2B@popyrus.com> Sounds like you made the right decision to abandon this one. Andy On Dec 31, 2009, at 3:39 AM, ger wrote: > The machine is gone. If a table model is 70 lbs, the London must > have weighed well over a 100 lbs. I could not even lift one side. It > was way too heavy for me to realistically deal with...I'm glad I > went back though and checked it out. It was a good adventure. As far > as the table models...if they're 70 lbs, they're too much for me as > well. My limit...is 20 lbs...just about what the records weigh. ;) > > The cabinet was black. No shine. It had spots of white mildew on the > inside wood. Nothing we ever got (back in the 1950-60's) looked as > bad as this. Those old machines had that nice old wood antiques > smell...still do as a matter of fact...and with a little lemon oil > shine up nicely. This was beyond lemon oil. I think even my Pop, the > inveterate collector would have passed on it. He would have needed > help moving it too. > There was a small brass knob just sitting there...don't know where > it came from; loose screws floating around; the horn looked kinda > green and bent; the front grill had the 4 side pieces stuffed into > the cabinet with none of the frilly middle stuff. The closer I > looked, the worse IT looked. > > I know you guys like to preserve these things, and I agree with that > wish. The weight, in my opinion, is what really made it unrealistic > to even contemplate. It was a big white elephant. > > I'm happy to have the records though. I've seen thick DD records in > the past, always with the edges all messed up. These have pretty > sharp edges; only one had some small bubbling. > And some day I'll get to hear them. > > Happy New Year to everyone. Stay healthy and safe. :) > Ger > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DanKj > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The last word on Diamond Discs...I think > > > Too bad you didn't get some pics of it - I wanted to see what made > it seem > such a mess. The solder is supposed to be there, as Ron L'H said, > and if > there was anything running into the horn it was just a volume > control, which > I remove anyway because it muffles the sound. The straps behind > the slots > sound correct, too. Except for the missing grill, how bad is the > cabinet? > > You might be disappointed to learn that the few Edison table > models are > less common than floor models and they're HEAVY, awkward things. > My Chalet > weighs about 70 pounds, and my B-80 nearly as much. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ger" > > >> The poor London model of Edison's Diamond Disc machine looks like >> it had >> been tortured. The vertical section was there afterall, but a >> cable, wood >> block and some other things (part going into the horn) were missing. >> Someone had SOLDERED the horn on th.... >> >> Needless to say, the machine still sits with the seller...who is >> now a bit >> wiser, since I shared the photo and what I knew with her. She >> seemed not >> at all disappointed and actually fascinated to learn something >> about the >> poor mess. >> >> As for its WEIGHT. I've got an "AH-HAH!" I took the flashlight and >> checked >> out the left side where the 24 slots for records was. I could see >> that 2, >> that's TWO, thick metal weights were in place behind the slots. >> They went >> across the back, one high, one low. \ >> >> >> I will, however, now keep an eye out for an Edison (table model) >> which >> could play my records > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Fri Jan 1 13:34:03 2010 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:34:03 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic alligator mouth sorting system. Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if there is an accident. Steve From jnichol at fuse.net Fri Jan 1 13:44:34 2010 From: jnichol at fuse.net (Jim Nichol) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:44:34 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] 1904 Edison Triumph with Automatic Reproducer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, I am not sure that you picked up on Al's sarcasm about the seller's reply. Jim Nichol On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:22 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > Dear Al, > > The triumph cost $50 when $5 a day for wages was a good salary. Who > would pay for and why would Edison sell in 1904 a machine with an > outdated, poorly sounding reproducer. Also why would he have an > automatic from 1898 and a carriage from early 1902 (or earlier) on a > machine from after 1904? > > Equally curious is why more of these are not existing. > > Edison obviously was not organized and you see many examples of > later machines and reproducers with earlier parts, but Edison's goal > was to sell records and the early thin weight automatic sounds so > bad on the molded records that no one would enjoy gold molded > records with it. Edison was so interested in selling records that > in 1919 he offered kits to upgrade the Standard, Home, and Triump to > the diamond B reproducer. I have seen a home that was modified with > one of the kits, the 2/4 decal was removed. > > Around 1900 Edison almost doubled the weight of the automatic. It > is true that Edison never wasted and used up all the obsolete parts, > but he did this in an efficient manner. For example in 1901 he > introduced the early B reproducer and in 1902 he introduced the > Model C reproducer. As you suggested rather than waste he continued > to offer the Model B on the Gem sans arm and the later (serial > number 50,000 to 90,000) Model B reproducer is found without the > word reproducer as he used the early B tops made for the arm. > > I also found it extremely interesting that Mr. Triumph, Terry Baer > essentially said the same thing as you did. > > I purchased a suitcase home that had the early two clip carriage. > This carriage had the adjuster for the arm machined off and it had > the centering pin and the "Speaker Clamp Screw" part #2531 > installed. It was done so well if I had not noted the four screw > holes for the clips I would not have noticed a modification was done. > > So if Edison found the 1902 (or earlier) carriage after June 1904 he > could have updated the carriage and installed a model C so he could > sell records to the owner. > > I believe had the seller had known there were three types of > automatic made, the length of production of the A, and that you can > approximate the date of phonographs and reproducers by the serial > number he could have produced a more convincing machine. > Best regards, > > Steve > > >> I stand corrected, the seller sent me an email telling me that at >> the end >> of the Model As Edison just threw any and all parts together to >> clear the >> stocks! I guess he did not know that the Model As went for some >> time after the >> machine he has. The Model A ended around 51000. >> >> Of special interest is that the machine in question appeared >> sometime back >> on eBay in the raised panel cabinet with a normal arm carrying a >> Model C >> Reproducer and no adjustment arm. So, this seller put an 'New >> Style' cabinet >> on the works and attached an earlier arm with clips. The machine >> then became >> "rare." >> >> Or, maybe I just don't know anything... ;-) >> >> Al >> >> HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From smstitt at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 14:50:12 2010 From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:50:12 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7e8e90ff1001011450g3319897ar8505ec2ac035970e@mail.gmail.com> UPS should be last resort. I was told FED EX still handles most packages by hand. I took that to mean that they don't drop from conveyor belt to conveyor belt. The post office does a great job and is much faster than both of the private carriers. The Snap On tool guy gets his deliveries at my shop. The substitute UPS driver sits his packages down and I walk over and kicked the boxes. I said to the driver you obviously haven't graduated from UPS University! Fragile to UPS is Italian for kick. I would add you waste ink to write fragile. UPS will tell you it has to survive a drop from something like six feet or tough toe-nails. Btw 6 feet!!! Why not 20. I do not believe UPS recognizes the terms "do not stack" or "this side up." Mike Oldcranky On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will be > sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and an > order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light > parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic > alligator mouth sorting system. > > Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if > there is an accident. > > Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From gif at usfamily.net Fri Jan 1 17:49:08 2010 From: gif at usfamily.net (The Farmers) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:49:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs References: , Message-ID: <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> I agree with this too. Although I'm not sure that it's easier to collect from FedEx since I've never had any damage from them to find out. FedEx also has much shorter lines to stand in for some strange reason. Greg Farmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Medved" To: "phonolist" ; "Phono-l" Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:35 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will > be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and > an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light > parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic > alligator mouth sorting system. > > Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if > there is an accident. > > Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- From vtm12 at comcast.net Fri Jan 1 18:15:06 2010 From: vtm12 at comcast.net (Vince C.) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] For sale In-Reply-To: <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> References: , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> Message-ID: <78593429DD1D486ABD467D24BE36D622@DG86T661> Hi All, I posted this before Christmas but not sure if it got through. So here it is again. If interested I am open to reasonable offers. Please follow the link for pictures and email directly with questions. http://home.comcast.net/~vtm12/sale/sale.html Below is a very brief description since everyone here knows what these items are. If you need additional details or have questions please email me. 1. Original Victor His Master's Voice dealer print. $2100 2. Mira music box. Double-comb 9" $2200 3. Edison Portrait. $600 4. Columbia AJ, all original no repro parts. Super condition with the exception of the turntable shaft is slightly bent so turntable wobbles, doesn't affect playing of machine, $1150 5. Anthony Visco Nipper, limited edition with original box. $90 All items do not include shipping. Most of the items above I would simply take to a UPS store and the buyer can pay them directly for shipping via a credit card. Also pickup is available in Collegeville, PA. Thanks, Vince From boruffb at flash.net Fri Jan 1 18:31:24 2010 From: boruffb at flash.net (Bill Boruff) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:31:24 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <7AD0663F-1DAE-44A3-B080-03EFCC93C0A8@flash.net> Steve- FedEx does not always use kid gloves when handling packages. During this past year I shipped a banner front Edison Home in 3 boxes with each carefully packed to withstand any rough handling. One box was for the case, one for the mechanism and one for the horn. The mechanism was badly damaged when the tines of a fork lift went completely through the center of its box. The motor frame was broken into pieces and the bolts holding the motor frame to the bedplate were sheared off. It was the last time I shipped a machine via FedEx! Bill On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says > will be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 > triumphs and an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is > wonderful for small, light parts, but larger ones seem to get > dropper or crushed by their automatic alligator mouth sorting system. > > Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect > from if there is an accident. > > Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From abefeder1 at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 19:17:37 2010 From: abefeder1 at gmail.com (Abe Feder) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:17:37 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <7AD0663F-1DAE-44A3-B080-03EFCC93C0A8@flash.net> References: <7AD0663F-1DAE-44A3-B080-03EFCC93C0A8@flash.net> Message-ID: <4e885f141001011917v779abe53i20d3fbd7663c4ce6@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I hate to tell all of you this but there is no magic bullet. I have been in the art business for 35 years and have used FedX , UPS and others and the fact is that you gotta build a box that will take just about any form of bad treatment. One of my nephews grew up working 1st for FedX -4 years and UPS-6 years and now works for a speciality shipper and freight company that deals in special shipment of special goods. The stories he told of both companies made my head hurt and no matter what shipper I use I build a box that will make it almost anywhere and my last item still did not get there. They drive a fork lift arm right through it and I used 3/4 plywood for sides. 3 months later the customer got a ck for $15000.00. But they did EVERYTHING they could to keep from paying the claim. Photos showing how the crate was put together shamed them and a bit of advice from my nephew to stay on them at least twice a week really worked. For our phono's small units well packed under normal conditions should get there. Larger units, either know someone who can get it back to you- or pay the very high price of craters and freighters. On more expensive machines it is OK but on standard ones the freight charge can make it really to expensive to purchase a machine like a c-250. I am working through that on a machine now. But bottom line on a common carrier youse pays your money and takes your chances Happy New Year Abe On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Bill Boruff wrote: > Steve- > FedEx does not always use kid gloves when handling packages. During this > past year I shipped a banner front Edison Home in 3 boxes with each > carefully packed to withstand any rough handling. One box was for the case, > one for the mechanism and one for the horn. The mechanism was badly damaged > when the tines of a fork lift went completely through the center of its > box. The motor frame was broken into pieces and the bolts holding the motor > frame to the bedplate were sheared off. It was the last time I shipped a > machine via FedEx! > Bill > > > On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > >> I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will >> be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and >> an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light >> parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic >> alligator mouth sorting system. >> >> Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if >> there is an accident. >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From john9ten at pacbell.net Sat Jan 2 00:45:06 2010 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 00:45:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <4e885f141001011917v779abe53i20d3fbd7663c4ce6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <375909.75271.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I typically use Priority Mail or Fed Ex Ground. UPS has commonly damaged items so I don't use them at all. I have seen things fal off their conveyor system at the local shipping point. I have only had one damaged item with USPS and none with FedEx Ground. The one I had with USPS was almost unimaginable. I double boxed a phonograph with tons of packing material, yet in shipping part of the motor frame was broken. It took awhile to get that claim paid. John Robles --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Abe Feder wrote: From: Abe Feder Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 7:17 PM Hi All, I hate to tell all of you this but there is no magic bullet. I have been in the art business for 35 years and have used FedX , UPS and others and the fact is that you gotta build a box that will take just about any form of bad treatment. One of my nephews grew up working 1st for FedX -4 years and UPS-6 years and now works for a speciality shipper and freight company that deals in special shipment of special goods. The stories he told of both companies made my head hurt and no matter what shipper I use I build a box that will make it almost anywhere and my last item still did not get there. They drive a fork lift arm right through it and I used 3/4 plywood for sides. 3 months later the customer got a ck for $15000.00. But they did EVERYTHING they could to keep from paying the claim. Photos showing how the crate was put together shamed them and a bit of advice from my nephew to stay on them at least twice a week really worked. For our phono's small units well packed under normal conditions should get there. Larger units, either know someone who can get it back to you- or pay the very high price of craters and freighters. On more expensive machines it is OK but on standard ones the freight charge can make it really to expensive to purchase a machine like a c-250. I am working through that on a machine now. But bottom line on a common carrier youse pays your money and takes your chances Happy New Year Abe On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Bill Boruff wrote: > Steve- > FedEx? does not always use kid gloves when handling packages. During this > past year I shipped a? banner front? Edison Home in 3 boxes with each > carefully packed to withstand any rough handling. One box was for the case, > one for the mechanism and one for the horn. The mechanism was badly damaged > when? the tines of a fork lift? went completely through the center of its > box. The motor frame was broken into pieces and? the bolts holding the motor > frame to the bedplate were sheared off. It was the last time I shipped a > machine via FedEx! > Bill > > > On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > >> I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will >> be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground.? I have had 2 triumphs and >> an order of auto parts damaged by UPS.? UPS is wonderful for small, light >> parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic >> alligator mouth sorting system. >> >> Save a phono, use Fed Ex.? Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if >> there is an accident. >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From zonophone2006 at aol.com Sat Jan 2 02:44:05 2010 From: zonophone2006 at aol.com (zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 05:44:05 EST Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs Message-ID: <14b.5f8bba34.38707d75@aol.com> i agree with you steve and it took me over a year to get a settlement from them for a victor m motor that was broken in transit best to all zono In a message dated 1/1/2010 5:04:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, steve_noreen at msn.com writes: I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic alligator mouth sorting system. Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if there is an accident. Steve _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From zonophone2006 at aol.com Sat Jan 2 02:50:52 2010 From: zonophone2006 at aol.com (zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 05:50:52 EST Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs Message-ID: <18b.30a1c4ee.38707f0c@aol.com> hi all on bigger items, believe it or not, i have used greyhound and not had any problem and its very cost effective i agree on the fork lift problem i had one victor one cabinet sent to me from vermont to florida that had a gaping hole in the back of it from a fork lift and ups was the provider in this case zono In a message dated 1/1/2010 10:43:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, abefeder1 at gmail.com writes: Hi All, I hate to tell all of you this but there is no magic bullet. I have been in the art business for 35 years and have used FedX , UPS and others and the fact is that you gotta build a box that will take just about any form of bad treatment. One of my nephews grew up working 1st for FedX -4 years and UPS-6 years and now works for a speciality shipper and freight company that deals in special shipment of special goods. The stories he told of both companies made my head hurt and no matter what shipper I use I build a box that will make it almost anywhere and my last item still did not get there. They drive a fork lift arm right through it and I used 3/4 plywood for sides. 3 months later the customer got a ck for $15000.00. But they did EVERYTHING they could to keep from paying the claim. Photos showing how the crate was put together shamed them and a bit of advice from my nephew to stay on them at least twice a week really worked. For our phono's small units well packed under normal conditions should get there. Larger units, either know someone who can get it back to you- or pay the very high price of craters and freighters. On more expensive machines it is OK but on standard ones the freight charge can make it really to expensive to purchase a machine like a c-250. I am working through that on a machine now. But bottom line on a common carrier youse pays your money and takes your chances Happy New Year Abe On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Bill Boruff wrote: > Steve- > FedEx does not always use kid gloves when handling packages. During this > past year I shipped a banner front Edison Home in 3 boxes with each > carefully packed to withstand any rough handling. One box was for the case, > one for the mechanism and one for the horn. The mechanism was badly damaged > when the tines of a fork lift went completely through the center of its > box. The motor frame was broken into pieces and the bolts holding the motor > frame to the bedplate were sheared off. It was the last time I shipped a > machine via FedEx! > Bill > > > On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > >> I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will >> be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and >> an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light >> parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic >> alligator mouth sorting system. >> >> Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if >> there is an accident. >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rvuill at comcast.net Sat Jan 2 04:31:51 2010 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 07:31:51 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs References: <375909.75271.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40155015F33F4754B21CD578F26B0FFD@HPPC> I used to use FedEx ground all the time. A couple of years ago I sold a very expensive machine to someone on the west coast. I wanted to insure it for $3000 but was informed by the clerk that the maximum insurance on antiques shipped FedEx Ground was $100.00. On FedEx Air the maximum was $500.00. this item was very well packed and I was more concerned with loss rather than damage so I decided to ship it Priority Mail. It was more expensive but I could insure it properly. I think this was about 3 years ago in January. When I checked FedEx on line they had indeed changed the rules about insuring antiques. It seems they were taking too many losses because of inexperienced shippers selling on line and not packing their items properly. I'm not selling that many things right now, but at the time I stopped using FedEx for expensive antique items. Have any of you run into this problem? I really like shipping with FedEx and would like to know if the insurance policies have been changed. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs I typically use Priority Mail or Fed Ex Ground. UPS has commonly damaged items so I don't use them at all. I have seen things fal off their conveyor system at the local shipping point. I have only had one damaged item with USPS and none with FedEx Ground. The one I had with USPS was almost unimaginable. I double boxed a phonograph with tons of packing material, yet in shipping part of the motor frame was broken. It took awhile to get that claim paid. John Robles --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Abe Feder wrote: From: Abe Feder Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 7:17 PM Hi All, I hate to tell all of you this but there is no magic bullet. I have been in the art business for 35 years and have used FedX , UPS and others and the fact is that you gotta build a box that will take just about any form of bad treatment. One of my nephews grew up working 1st for FedX -4 years and UPS-6 years and now works for a speciality shipper and freight company that deals in special shipment of special goods. The stories he told of both companies made my head hurt and no matter what shipper I use I build a box that will make it almost anywhere and my last item still did not get there. They drive a fork lift arm right through it and I used 3/4 plywood for sides. 3 months later the customer got a ck for $15000.00. But they did EVERYTHING they could to keep from paying the claim. Photos showing how the crate was put together shamed them and a bit of advice from my nephew to stay on them at least twice a week really worked. For our phono's small units well packed under normal conditions should get there. Larger units, either know someone who can get it back to you- or pay the very high price of craters and freighters. On more expensive machines it is OK but on standard ones the freight charge can make it really to expensive to purchase a machine like a c-250. I am working through that on a machine now. But bottom line on a common carrier youse pays your money and takes your chances Happy New Year Abe On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Bill Boruff wrote: > Steve- > FedEx does not always use kid gloves when handling packages. During this > past year I shipped a banner front Edison Home in 3 boxes with each > carefully packed to withstand any rough handling. One box was for the > case, > one for the mechanism and one for the horn. The mechanism was badly > damaged > when the tines of a fork lift went completely through the center of its > box. The motor frame was broken into pieces and the bolts holding the > motor > frame to the bedplate were sheared off. It was the last time I shipped a > machine via FedEx! > Bill > > > On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > >> I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will >> be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and >> an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light >> parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic >> alligator mouth sorting system. >> >> Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if >> there is an accident. >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rvuill at comcast.net Sat Jan 2 05:49:31 2010 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 08:49:31 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Part Needed Message-ID: I'm looking for a good spindle gear for a Thorens Excelda. The one I have doesn't mate properly and this affects the pitch of the machine when it plays. If the gear isn't almost perfect the machine won't play properly. If anyone has a good one for sale please contact me at rvuill at comcast.net. From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sat Jan 2 05:54:18 2010 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:54:18 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <40155015F33F4754B21CD578F26B0FFD@HPPC> References: <375909.75271.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <40155015F33F4754B21CD578F26B0FFD@HPPC> Message-ID: <4B3F500A.2030207@octoxol.com> The last time I looked into the issue of "insurance" I found that the ONLY shipping method that actually covered the value of an antique was USPS Registered Mail. This is easily researched on line for FedEx, UPS, Greyhound And USPS. To make it short they will pay the replacement value of a currently available and produced replacement. That means a crapophone. Most times they do pay off on the damaged antique but they really do not have to do this under their tariffs. Bob wrote: > I used to use FedEx ground all the time. A couple of years ago I sold a > very expensive machine to someone on the west coast. I wanted to insure > it for $3000 but was informed by the clerk that the maximum insurance on > antiques shipped FedEx Ground was $100.00. On FedEx Air the maximum was > $500.00. this item was very well packed and I was more concerned with > loss rather than damage so I decided to ship it Priority Mail. It was > more expensive but I could insure it properly. I think this was about 3 > years ago in January. When I checked FedEx on line they had indeed > changed the rules about insuring antiques. It seems they were taking > too many losses because of inexperienced shippers selling on line and > not packing their items properly. I'm not selling that many things > right now, but at the time I stopped using FedEx for expensive antique > items. Have any of you run into this problem? I really like shipping > with FedEx and would like to know if the insurance policies have been > changed. Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:45 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > > I typically use Priority Mail or Fed Ex Ground. UPS has commonly damaged > items so I don't use them at all. I have seen things fal off their > conveyor system at the local shipping point. > I have only had one damaged item with USPS and none with FedEx Ground. > The one I had with USPS was almost unimaginable. I double boxed a > phonograph with tons of packing material, yet in shipping part of the > motor frame was broken. It took awhile to get that claim paid. > John Robles > > --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Abe Feder wrote: > > From: Abe Feder > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 7:17 PM > > Hi All, > I hate to tell all of you this but there is no magic bullet. I have been in > the art business for 35 years and have used FedX , UPS and others and the > fact is that you gotta build a box that will take just about any form of > bad > treatment. One of my nephews grew up working 1st for FedX -4 years and > UPS-6 > years and now works for a speciality shipper and freight company that deals > in special shipment of special goods. The stories he told of both companies > made my head hurt and no matter what shipper I use I build a box that will > make it almost anywhere and my last item still did not get there. They > drive > a fork lift arm right through it and I used 3/4 plywood for sides. 3 months > later the customer got a ck for $15000.00. But they did EVERYTHING they > could to keep from paying the claim. Photos showing how the crate was put > together shamed them and a bit of advice from my nephew to stay on them at > least twice a week really worked. > > For our phono's small units well packed under normal conditions should get > there. Larger units, either know someone who can get it back to you- or pay > the very high price of craters and freighters. On more expensive > machines it > is OK but on standard ones the freight charge can make it really to > expensive to purchase a machine like a c-250. I am working through that > on a > machine now. > > But bottom line on a common carrier youse pays your money and takes your > chances > > Happy New Year > Abe > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Bill Boruff wrote: > >> Steve- >> FedEx does not always use kid gloves when handling packages. During this >> past year I shipped a banner front Edison Home in 3 boxes with each >> carefully packed to withstand any rough handling. One box was for the >> case, >> one for the mechanism and one for the horn. The mechanism was badly >> damaged >> when the tines of a fork lift went completely through the center of its >> box. The motor frame was broken into pieces and the bolts holding the >> motor >> frame to the bedplate were sheared off. It was the last time I shipped a >> machine via FedEx! >> Bill >> >> >> On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Steven Medved wrote: >> >> >>> I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will >>> be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs >>> and >>> an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light >>> parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic >>> alligator mouth sorting system. >>> >>> Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if >>> there is an accident. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From gif at usfamily.net Sat Jan 2 08:13:34 2010 From: gif at usfamily.net (The Farmers) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:13:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs References: <375909.75271.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com><40155015F33F4754B21CD578F26B0FFD@HPPC> <4B3F500A.2030207@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <8F2E02E67C3A4168873A58D74C9F0057@SonyVAIO> Does it make a difference if the antique being shipped has just been sold and the seller has a receipt showing it's value? I can understand that they might balk at covering an antique for which there is no authentic value established. --Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > The last time I looked into the issue of "insurance" I found that the ONLY > shipping method that actually covered the value of an antique was USPS > Registered Mail. This is easily researched on line for FedEx, UPS, > Greyhound And USPS. To make it short they will pay the replacement value > of a currently available and produced replacement. That means a > crapophone. > > Most times they do pay off on the damaged antique but they really do not > have to do this under their tariffs. > > > > Bob wrote: >> I used to use FedEx ground all the time. A couple of years ago I sold a >> very expensive machine to someone on the west coast. I wanted to insure >> it for $3000 but was informed by the clerk that the maximum insurance on >> antiques shipped FedEx Ground was $100.00. On FedEx Air the maximum was >> $500.00. this item was very well packed and I was more concerned with >> loss rather than damage so I decided to ship it Priority Mail. It was >> more expensive but I could insure it properly. I think this was about 3 >> years ago in January. When I checked FedEx on line they had indeed >> changed the rules about insuring antiques. It seems they were taking too >> many losses because of inexperienced shippers selling on line and not >> packing their items properly. I'm not selling that many things right >> now, but at the time I stopped using FedEx for expensive antique items. >> Have any of you run into this problem? I really like shipping with FedEx >> and would like to know if the insurance policies have been changed. >> Thanks >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >> >> >> I typically use Priority Mail or Fed Ex Ground. UPS has commonly damaged >> items so I don't use them at all. I have seen things fal off their >> conveyor system at the local shipping point. >> I have only had one damaged item with USPS and none with FedEx Ground. >> The one I had with USPS was almost unimaginable. I double boxed a >> phonograph with tons of packing material, yet in shipping part of the >> motor frame was broken. It took awhile to get that claim paid. >> John Robles >> >> --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Abe Feder wrote: >> >> From: Abe Feder >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >> Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 7:17 PM >> >> Hi All, >> I hate to tell all of you this but there is no magic bullet. I have been >> in >> the art business for 35 years and have used FedX , UPS and others and the >> fact is that you gotta build a box that will take just about any form of >> bad >> treatment. One of my nephews grew up working 1st for FedX -4 years and >> UPS-6 >> years and now works for a speciality shipper and freight company that >> deals >> in special shipment of special goods. The stories he told of both >> companies >> made my head hurt and no matter what shipper I use I build a box that >> will >> make it almost anywhere and my last item still did not get there. They >> drive >> a fork lift arm right through it and I used 3/4 plywood for sides. 3 >> months >> later the customer got a ck for $15000.00. But they did EVERYTHING they >> could to keep from paying the claim. Photos showing how the crate was put >> together shamed them and a bit of advice from my nephew to stay on them >> at >> least twice a week really worked. >> >> For our phono's small units well packed under normal conditions should >> get >> there. Larger units, either know someone who can get it back to you- or >> pay >> the very high price of craters and freighters. On more expensive machines >> it >> is OK but on standard ones the freight charge can make it really to >> expensive to purchase a machine like a c-250. I am working through that >> on a >> machine now. >> >> But bottom line on a common carrier youse pays your money and takes your >> chances >> >> Happy New Year >> Abe >> >> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Bill Boruff wrote: >> >>> Steve- >>> FedEx does not always use kid gloves when handling packages. During this >>> past year I shipped a banner front Edison Home in 3 boxes with each >>> carefully packed to withstand any rough handling. One box was for the >>> case, >>> one for the mechanism and one for the horn. The mechanism was badly >>> damaged >>> when the tines of a fork lift went completely through the center of its >>> box. The motor frame was broken into pieces and the bolts holding the >>> motor >>> frame to the bedplate were sheared off. It was the last time I shipped a >>> machine via FedEx! >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Steven Medved wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says >>>> will >>>> be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs >>>> and >>>> an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, >>>> light >>>> parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their >>>> automatic >>>> alligator mouth sorting system. >>>> >>>> Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if >>>> there is an accident. >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- From steve_noreen at msn.com Sat Jan 2 08:41:19 2010 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:41:19 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <14b.5f8bba34.38707d75@aol.com> References: <14b.5f8bba34.38707d75@aol.com> Message-ID: I did better it only took me nine months to get paid for my horn and I had to keep calling. The Smiths provided a repair estimate for me. It is the attitude of UPS that bothered me the most. With the auto parts they damaged the container of antifreeze which got the other parts wet, they opened the box then taped it back together after putting the antifreeze in another container. Only when I call the auto parts place and complained did I find out what UPS did. The horn box they taped it together and they guy said I might want to check it for damage. The triumph the guy dropped it at the door, my wife wondered what the noise was. Steve > i agree with you steve > and it took me over a year to get a settlement from them for a victor m > motor that was broken in transit > best to all > zono > > > In a message dated 1/1/2010 5:04:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > steve_noreen at msn.com writes: > > > I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will > be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and > an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light > parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic > alligator mouth sorting system. > > Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if > there is an accident. > > Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From thatcher at mediaguide.com Sat Jan 2 08:37:07 2010 From: thatcher at mediaguide.com (Thatcher Graham) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:37:07 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> References: , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> Message-ID: <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com> My experience with UPS is that they wont pay out any insurance claim unless they impale it with a forklift. They smashed a Micropoise tone arm on me a few months back. I never got a dollar from that even though the box had been flattened. And yes, the forklift example is real. -Thatcher The Farmers wrote: > I agree with this too. Although I'm not sure that it's easier to > collect from FedEx since I've never had any damage from them to find > out. FedEx also has much shorter lines to stand in for some strange > reason. > > Greg Farmer > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Medved" > To: "phonolist" ; "Phono-l" > > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:35 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > >> >> I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says >> will be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 >> triumphs and an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful >> for small, light parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or >> crushed by their automatic alligator mouth sorting system. >> >> Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from >> if there is an accident. >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Sat Jan 2 09:39:10 2010 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:39:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <40155015F33F4754B21CD578F26B0FFD@HPPC> Message-ID: <495971.66726.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I must admit that I once shipped a phonograph through FedEx Ground, and they advised me about the antique rule. I wasn't sure what to do. But since it was a phonograph, the counterperson said he'd list it under electronics so I could get the full coverage. Of course if anything had happened, I am sure Fedex would have fought me on it. Since that time I haven't sent any phonographs through FedEx ground, just other items. John Robles --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Bob wrote: From: Bob Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 4:31 AM I used to use FedEx ground all the time.? A couple of years ago I sold a very expensive machine to someone on the west coast.? I wanted to insure it for $3000 but was informed by the clerk that the maximum insurance on antiques shipped FedEx Ground was $100.00.? On FedEx Air the maximum was $500.00.? this item was very well packed and I was more concerned with loss rather than damage so I decided to ship it Priority Mail.? It was more expensive but I could insure it properly.? I think this was about 3 years ago in January.? When I checked FedEx on line they had indeed changed the rules about insuring antiques.? It seems they were taking too many losses because of inexperienced shippers selling on line and not packing their items properly.? I'm not selling that many things right now, but at the time I stopped using FedEx for expensive? antique items.? Have any of you run into this problem?? I really like shipping with FedEx and would like to know if the insurance policies have been changed.? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs I typically use Priority Mail or Fed Ex Ground. UPS has commonly damaged items so I don't use them at all. I have seen things fal off their conveyor system at the local shipping point. I have only had one damaged item with USPS and none with FedEx Ground. The one I had with USPS was almost unimaginable. I double boxed a phonograph with tons of packing material, yet in shipping part of the motor frame was broken. It took awhile to get that claim paid. John Robles --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Abe Feder wrote: From: Abe Feder Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 7:17 PM Hi All, I hate to tell all of you this but there is no magic bullet. I have been in the art business for 35 years and have used FedX , UPS and others and the fact is that you gotta build a box that will take just about any form of bad treatment. One of my nephews grew up working 1st for FedX -4 years and UPS-6 years and now works for a speciality shipper and freight company that deals in special shipment of special goods. The stories he told of both companies made my head hurt and no matter what shipper I use I build a box that will make it almost anywhere and my last item still did not get there. They drive a fork lift arm right through it and I used 3/4 plywood for sides. 3 months later the customer got a ck for $15000.00. But they did EVERYTHING they could to keep from paying the claim. Photos showing how the crate was put together shamed them and a bit of advice from my nephew to stay on them at least twice a week really worked. For our phono's small units well packed under normal conditions should get there. Larger units, either know someone who can get it back to you- or pay the very high price of craters and freighters. On more expensive machines it is OK but on standard ones the freight charge can make it really to expensive to purchase a machine like a c-250. I am working through that on a machine now. But bottom line on a common carrier youse pays your money and takes your chances Happy New Year Abe On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Bill Boruff wrote: > Steve- > FedEx does not always use kid gloves when handling packages. During this > past year I shipped a banner front Edison Home in 3 boxes with each > carefully packed to withstand any rough handling. One box was for the case, > one for the mechanism and one for the horn. The mechanism was badly damaged > when the tines of a fork lift went completely through the center of its > box. The motor frame was broken into pieces and the bolts holding the motor > frame to the bedplate were sheared off. It was the last time I shipped a > machine via FedEx! > Bill > > > On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > >> I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will >> be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and >> an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light >> parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic >> alligator mouth sorting system. >> >> Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if >> there is an accident. >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From wilenzick at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 2 11:20:39 2010 From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (Ray & Phyllis Wilenzick) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:20:39 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <495971.66726.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <495971.66726.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When shipping a machine of low to moderate value, why not just say it's a "phonograph", omitting the word "antique". I have done that several times and fortunately have not had a problem. And for a horn, say it's a "phonograph speaker". To say they are "electronics" could result in a lot of problems in case of damage. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs I must admit that I once shipped a phonograph through FedEx Ground, and they advised me about the antique rule. I wasn't sure what to do. But since it was a phonograph, the counterperson said he'd list it under electronics so I could get the full coverage. Of course if anything had happened, I am sure Fedex would have fought me on it. Since that time I haven't sent any phonographs through FedEx ground, just other items. John Robles --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Bob wrote: From: Bob Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 4:31 AM I used to use FedEx ground all the time. A couple of years ago I sold a very expensive machine to someone on the west coast. I wanted to insure it for $3000 but was informed by the clerk that the maximum insurance on antiques shipped FedEx Ground was $100.00. On FedEx Air the maximum was $500.00. this item was very well packed and I was more concerned with loss rather than damage so I decided to ship it Priority Mail. It was more expensive but I could insure it properly. I think this was about 3 years ago in January. When I checked FedEx on line they had indeed changed the rules about insuring antiques. It seems they were taking too many losses because of inexperienced shippers selling on line and not packing their items properly. I'm not selling that many things right now, but at the time I stopped using FedEx for expensive antique items. Have any of you run into this problem? I really like shipping with FedEx and would like to know if the insurance policies have been changed. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs I typically use Priority Mail or Fed Ex Ground. UPS has commonly damaged items so I don't use them at all. I have seen things fal off their conveyor system at the local shipping point. I have only had one damaged item with USPS and none with FedEx Ground. The one I had with USPS was almost unimaginable. I double boxed a phonograph with tons of packing material, yet in shipping part of the motor frame was broken. It took awhile to get that claim paid. John Robles --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Abe Feder wrote: From: Abe Feder Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 7:17 PM Hi All, I hate to tell all of you this but there is no magic bullet. I have been in the art business for 35 years and have used FedX , UPS and others and the fact is that you gotta build a box that will take just about any form of bad treatment. One of my nephews grew up working 1st for FedX -4 years and UPS-6 years and now works for a speciality shipper and freight company that deals in special shipment of special goods. The stories he told of both companies made my head hurt and no matter what shipper I use I build a box that will make it almost anywhere and my last item still did not get there. They drive a fork lift arm right through it and I used 3/4 plywood for sides. 3 months later the customer got a ck for $15000.00. But they did EVERYTHING they could to keep from paying the claim. Photos showing how the crate was put together shamed them and a bit of advice from my nephew to stay on them at least twice a week really worked. For our phono's small units well packed under normal conditions should get there. Larger units, either know someone who can get it back to you- or pay the very high price of craters and freighters. On more expensive machines it is OK but on standard ones the freight charge can make it really to expensive to purchase a machine like a c-250. I am working through that on a machine now. But bottom line on a common carrier youse pays your money and takes your chances Happy New Year Abe On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Bill Boruff wrote: > Steve- > FedEx does not always use kid gloves when handling packages. During this > past year I shipped a banner front Edison Home in 3 boxes with each > carefully packed to withstand any rough handling. One box was for the > case, > one for the mechanism and one for the horn. The mechanism was badly > damaged > when the tines of a fork lift went completely through the center of its > box. The motor frame was broken into pieces and the bolts holding the > motor > frame to the bedplate were sheared off. It was the last time I shipped a > machine via FedEx! > Bill > > > On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > >> I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will >> be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and >> an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light >> parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic >> alligator mouth sorting system. >> >> Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if >> there is an accident. >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From pjfraser at mac.com Sat Jan 2 11:54:04 2010 From: pjfraser at mac.com (Peter Fraser) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:54:04 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com> References: <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com> Message-ID: <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com> Actually UPS has a deal where if THEY pack it and there is a claim, they pay immediately, no questions asked. So what I've been doing recently is pack the phono, horn, etc my own way (safely, thoroughly) then hand that package to them for them to pack in a larger box (with about 4" crush space in all dimensions). I have had great success with this so far, and the one claim i had was indeed paid lightning fast and with no questions asked at the stated value. Not sure what it's called, but your local UPS store will know. Might be something like "The UPS Pack and Ship Promise." -- Peter On Jan 2, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Thatcher Graham wrote: > My experience with UPS is that they wont pay out any insurance claim unless they impale it with a forklift. > They smashed a Micropoise tone arm on me a few months back. I never got a dollar from that even though the box had been flattened. > And yes, the forklift example is real. > > -Thatcher > > > > The Farmers wrote: >> I agree with this too. Although I'm not sure that it's easier to collect from FedEx since I've never had any damage from them to find out. FedEx also has much shorter lines to stand in for some strange reason. >> >> Greg Farmer >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Medved" >> To: "phonolist" ; "Phono-l" >> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:35 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >> >> >>> >>> I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic alligator mouth sorting system. >>> >>> Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if there is an accident. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> >> >> >> --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Peter pjfraser at mac.com From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sat Jan 2 13:26:39 2010 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com> References: <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com> <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com> That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not match the tariff. If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major pain to deal with unless it was registered mail. Peter Fraser wrote: > Actually UPS has a deal where if THEY pack it and there is a claim, they pay immediately, no questions asked. So what I've been doing recently is pack the phono, horn, etc my own way (safely, thoroughly) then hand that package to them for them to pack in a larger box (with about 4" crush space in all dimensions). > > I have had great success with this so far, and the one claim i had was indeed paid lightning fast and with no questions asked at the stated value. > > Not sure what it's called, but your local UPS store will know. Might be something like "The UPS Pack and Ship Promise." > > -- Peter > > On Jan 2, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Thatcher Graham wrote: > >> My experience with UPS is that they wont pay out any insurance claim unless they impale it with a forklift. >> They smashed a Micropoise tone arm on me a few months back. I never got a dollar from that even though the box had been flattened. >> And yes, the forklift example is real. >> >> -Thatcher >> >> >> >> The Farmers wrote: >>> I agree with this too. Although I'm not sure that it's easier to collect from FedEx since I've never had any damage from them to find out. FedEx also has much shorter lines to stand in for some strange reason. >>> >>> Greg Farmer >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Medved" >>> To: "phonolist" ; "Phono-l" >>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:35 PM >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >>> >>> >>>> I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic alligator mouth sorting system. >>>> >>>> Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if there is an accident. >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > -- Peter > pjfraser at mac.com > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From ronbrink at aol.com Sat Jan 2 13:32:32 2010 From: ronbrink at aol.com (ronbrink at aol.com) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:32:32 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com> References: <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com> Message-ID: <8CC5A0A3A49E17B-1AD8-15E82@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com> I agree Peter. There are local UPS pack and ship stores that I have utilized this same method. Pack the item and hand it over to them where they box it for shipment. When insured for full value, they cough up a check with no questions asked. I believe my only claim through one local pack and ship store was resolved in about 7 - 10 days for about $4500.00. Ron -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fraser To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sat, Jan 2, 2010 1:54 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs Actually UPS has a deal where if THEY pack it and there is a claim, they pay immediately, no questions asked. So what I've been doing recently is pack the phono, horn, etc my own way (safely, thoroughly) then hand that package to them for them to pack in a larger box (with about 4" crush space in all dimensions). I have had great success with this so far, and the one claim i had was indeed paid lightning fast and with no questions asked at the stated value. Not sure what it's called, but your local UPS store will know. Might be something like "The UPS Pack and Ship Promise." -- Peter On Jan 2, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Thatcher Graham wrote: > My experience with UPS is that they wont pay out any insurance claim unless they impale it with a forklift. > They smashed a Micropoise tone arm on me a few months back. I never got a dollar from that even though the box had been flattened. > And yes, the forklift example is real. > > -Thatcher > > > > The Farmers wrote: >> I agree with this too. Although I'm not sure that it's easier to collect from FedEx since I've never had any damage from them to find out. FedEx also has much shorter lines to stand in for some strange reason. >> >> Greg Farmer >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Medved" >> To: "phonolist" ; "Phono-l" >> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:35 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >> >> >>> >>> I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic alligator mouth sorting system. >>> >>> Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect from if there is an accident. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> >> >> >> --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Peter pjfraser at mac.com _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From esroberto at hotmail.com Sat Jan 2 14:42:33 2010 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:42:33 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com> References: <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com> Message-ID: I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of "antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an antique by any definition. > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 > From: rich-mail at octoxol.com > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and > $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to > see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. > > Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. > > The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, > or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not > match the tariff. > > If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will > almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other > than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major pain > to deal with unless it was registered mail. > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sat Jan 2 15:29:31 2010 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:29:31 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: References: <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <4B3FD6DB.8040906@octoxol.com> I have seen the definition of age greater than 100 but have never seen anything close to 25 as being defined as antique. Robert Wright wrote: > I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of "antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an antique by any definition. > > >> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 >> From: rich-mail at octoxol.com >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >> >> That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and >> $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to >> see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. >> >> Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. >> >> The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, >> or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not >> match the tariff. >> >> If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will >> almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other >> than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major pain >> to deal with unless it was registered mail. >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From rvuill at comcast.net Sat Jan 2 16:08:21 2010 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:08:21 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs References: <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com> <8CC5A0A3A49E17B-1AD8-15E82@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I once tried to ship a phonograph through UPS. When I tried to insure it for $1,000 they insisted that I haave an indipendent appraisal before they would insure it. This was before eBay so maybe things have changed. If you bring a copy of the eBay sale record is this sufficient to prove the value? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >I agree Peter. There are local UPS pack and ship stores that I have >utilized this same method. Pack the item and hand it over to them where >they box it for shipment. When insured for full value, they cough up a >check with no questions asked. I believe my only claim through one local >pack and ship store was resolved in about 7 - 10 days for about $4500.00. > > From dan at old-phonographs.com Sat Jan 2 16:11:20 2010 From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:11:20 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <4B3FD6DB.8040906@octoxol.com> References: <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com> <4B3FD6DB.8040906@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <28D6EEFF89404E3C8B1D11D2BAAF9FFF@danPC> Here is the wikipedia entry for "Antique". If you read the definition section I think there is some merit in the 25 year old item. But, I had always heard 100 years too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antique Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs I have seen the definition of age greater than 100 but have never seen anything close to 25 as being defined as antique. Robert Wright wrote: > I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of > "antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an > antique by any definition. > > >> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 >> From: rich-mail at octoxol.com >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >> >> That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and >> $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to see >> just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. >> >> Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. >> >> The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, >> or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not >> match the tariff. >> >> If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will >> almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other than >> acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major pain to >> deal with unless it was registered mail. >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Sat Jan 2 16:18:21 2010 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:18:21 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: References: , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, , <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, Message-ID: An item which is at least 50 to 100 years old and is collected or desirable due to rarity, condition, utility, or some other unique feature. Motor vehicles, power tools and other items subject to vigorous use in contrast, may be considered antiques in the U.S. if older than 25 years, and some electronic gadgets of more recent vintage may be considered antiques. > From: esroberto at hotmail.com > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:42:33 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > > I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of "antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an antique by any definition. > > > > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 > > From: rich-mail at octoxol.com > > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > > > That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and > > $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to > > see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. > > > > Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. > > > > The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, > > or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not > > match the tariff. > > > > If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will > > almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other > > than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major pain > > to deal with unless it was registered mail. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Sat Jan 2 16:36:19 2010 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:36:19 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <8CC5A0A3A49E17B-1AD8-15E82@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com> References: <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, <8CC5A0A3A49E17B-1AD8-15E82@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: The horn I received that was damaged was from a UPS pack and ship store and it took 9 months for the seller to get paid, then he sent me a check for $300. They actually packed it good but it looked like a giant gator chomped down on it. I was the one who did all the work to get the seller paid so he could repay me. I got the repair estimate that exceeded coverage. I am happy to hear that some local UPS pack and ship stores provide excellent service. Steve > I agree Peter. There are local UPS pack and ship stores that I have > utilized this same method. Pack the item and hand it over to them > where they box it for shipment. When insured for full value, they > cough up a check with no questions asked. I believe my only claim > through one local pack and ship store was resolved in about 7 - 10 days > for about $4500.00. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Fraser > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Sat, Jan 2, 2010 1:54 pm > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > Actually UPS has a deal where if THEY pack it and there is a claim, > they pay immediately, no questions asked. So what I've been doing > recently is pack the phono, horn, etc my own way (safely, thoroughly) > then hand that package to them for them to pack in a larger box (with > about 4" crush space in all dimensions). > > I have had great success with this so far, and the one claim i had was > indeed paid lightning fast and with no questions asked at the stated > value. > > Not sure what it's called, but your local UPS store will know. Might > be something like "The UPS Pack and Ship Promise." > > -- Peter > > On Jan 2, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Thatcher Graham wrote: > > > My experience with UPS is that they wont pay out any insurance claim > unless they impale it with a forklift. > > They smashed a Micropoise tone arm on me a few months back. I never > got a dollar from that even though the box had been flattened. > > And yes, the forklift example is real. > > > > -Thatcher > > > > > > > > The Farmers wrote: > >> I agree with this too. Although I'm not sure that it's easier to > collect from FedEx since I've never had any damage from them to find > out. FedEx also has much shorter lines to stand in for some strange > reason. > >> > >> Greg Farmer > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Medved" > > >> To: "phonolist" ; "Phono-l" > > >> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:35 PM > >> Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > >> > >> > >>> > >>> I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says > will be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 > triumphs and an order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful > for small, light parts, but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed > by their automatic alligator mouth sorting system. > >>> > >>> Save a phono, use Fed Ex. Also Fed Ex is much easier to collect > from if there is an accident. > >>> > >>> Steve > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Phono-L mailing list > >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > -- Peter > pjfraser at mac.com > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From victrola at victrolas.com Fri Jan 1 18:15:46 2010 From: victrola at victrolas.com (Vince C.) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:15:46 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] For sale In-Reply-To: <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> References: , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> Message-ID: Hi All, I posted this before Christmas but not sure if it got through. So here it is again. If interested I am open to reasonable offers. Please follow the link for pictures and email directly with questions. http://home.comcast.net/~vtm12/sale/sale.html Below is a very brief description since everyone here knows what these items are. If you need additional details or have questions please email me. 1. Original Victor His Master's Voice dealer print. $2100 2. Mira music box. Double-comb 9" $2200 3. Edison Portrait. $600 4. Columbia AJ, all original no repro parts. Super condition with the exception of the turntable shaft is slightly bent so turntable wobbles, doesn't affect playing of machine, $1150 5. Anthony Visco Nipper, limited edition with original box. $90 All items do not include shipping. Most of the items above I would simply take to a UPS store and the buyer can pay them directly for shipping via a credit card. Also pickup is available in Collegeville, PA. Thanks, Vince From appywander at hotmail.com Sat Jan 2 18:28:49 2010 From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:28:49 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, , <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, ,,<1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , , <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , Message-ID: The idea that an antique has to be 100 years old comes from somewhere in the Federal tax codes. When I first got into the world of antiques 43 years ago, dealers were very careful not to call anything that wasn't demonstrably 100 years-old or darn close to it an "antique". Whether the tax laws have changed or the field has become so watered-down by antiques malls and eBay that it no longer matters, I don't know, but the 100-year measure was very strict back in the 'old days'. One of the reasons phonos and most music boxes, etc. were so cheap back then is because they didn't meet the grade to be considered an antique so not many people wanted them. > From: steve_noreen at msn.com > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:18:21 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > > An item which is at least 50 to 100 years old and is collected or > desirable due to rarity, condition, utility, or some other unique > feature. > > Motor vehicles, power tools and other items subject to vigorous use in > contrast, may be considered antiques in the U.S. if older than 25 > years, and some electronic gadgets of more recent vintage may be > considered antiques. > > > From: esroberto at hotmail.com > > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:42:33 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > > > > > I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of "antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an antique by any definition. > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 > > > From: rich-mail at octoxol.com > > > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > > > > > That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and > > > $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to > > > see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. > > > > > > Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. > > > > > > The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, > > > or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not > > > match the tariff. > > > > > > If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will > > > almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other > > > than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major pain > > > to deal with unless it was registered mail. > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Sat Jan 2 17:54:40 2010 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:54:40 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <4B3FD6DB.8040906@octoxol.com> References: <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com> <4B3FD6DB.8040906@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <000801ca8c17$b6b608c0$24221a40$@edu> Cars are considered officially antique at age 25. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 6:30 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs I have seen the definition of age greater than 100 but have never seen anything close to 25 as being defined as antique. Robert Wright wrote: > I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of "antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an antique by any definition. > > >> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 >> From: rich-mail at octoxol.com >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >> >> That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and >> $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to >> see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. >> >> Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. >> >> The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, >> or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not >> match the tariff. >> >> If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will >> almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other >> than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major pain >> to deal with unless it was registered mail. >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From esroberto at hotmail.com Sat Jan 2 19:13:03 2010 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 03:13:03 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <000801ca8c17$b6b608c0$24221a40$@edu> References: , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, , <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com> , <4B3FD6DB.8040906@octoxol.com>, <000801ca8c17$b6b608c0$24221a40$@edu> Message-ID: Cars are the only other collectibles community I've been exposed to; that's where I got the 25 years figure. Though I was aware of the cultural dilution of the term "antique", I wasn't aware it originally had a sliding scale dependent on presumed use. That's pretty interesting. I still say a 1920 phonograph is clearly an antique, though. Seems like 50 years is a pretty good yardstick for just about any collectible, though that's merely opinion. This might be worth investigating from a legal standpoint if it would substantially increase the value of a given collection. Or is the term "vintage" intended to fill the gap? > From: lherault at bu.edu > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:54:40 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > Cars are considered officially antique at age 25. > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Rich > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 6:30 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > I have seen the definition of age greater than 100 but have never seen > anything close to 25 as being defined as antique. > > Robert Wright wrote: > > I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of > "antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an > antique by any definition. > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 > >> From: rich-mail at octoxol.com > >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > >> > >> That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and > >> $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to > >> see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. > >> > >> Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. > >> > >> The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, > >> or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not > >> match the tariff. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From glastris at comcast.net Sat Jan 2 19:16:06 2010 From: glastris at comcast.net (George Glastris) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:16:06 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, , <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, , , <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , , <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , Message-ID: Actually, "antique" used to mean hand made or artisan made, as opposed to factory or workshop made. When the modern antiques business started in the 19th century and people began importing vast quantities of items from abroad they used the word antique to allow items that were old and rare but not "works of art" in the traditional sense (paintings, sculptures, etc.) be classified. Back them something that was made by machine could not be 100 years old, as modern production was a new thing, therefore, an antique was 100 years old or older. As time went on, people forgot why the 100 year rule was in place and just referred to anything 100 years old as an antique. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Maeder" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs The idea that an antique has to be 100 years old comes from somewhere in the Federal tax codes. When I first got into the world of antiques 43 years ago, dealers were very careful not to call anything that wasn't demonstrably 100 years-old or darn close to it an "antique". Whether the tax laws have changed or the field has become so watered-down by antiques malls and eBay that it no longer matters, I don't know, but the 100-year measure was very strict back in the 'old days'. One of the reasons phonos and most music boxes, etc. were so cheap back then is because they didn't meet the grade to be considered an antique so not many people wanted them. > From: steve_noreen at msn.com > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:18:21 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > > An item which is at least 50 to 100 years old and is collected or > desirable due to rarity, condition, utility, or some other unique > feature. > > Motor vehicles, power tools and other items subject to vigorous use in > contrast, may be considered antiques in the U.S. if older than 25 > years, and some electronic gadgets of more recent vintage may be > considered antiques. > > > From: esroberto at hotmail.com > > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:42:33 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > > > > > I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of > > "antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an > > antique by any definition. > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 > > > From: rich-mail at octoxol.com > > > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > > > > > That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time > > > and > > > $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to > > > see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. > > > > > > Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. > > > > > > The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, > > > claims, > > > or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not > > > match the tariff. > > > > > > If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will > > > almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other > > > than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major > > > pain > > > to deal with unless it was registered mail. > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sat Jan 2 20:18:45 2010 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:18:45 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <28D6EEFF89404E3C8B1D11D2BAAF9FFF@danPC> References: <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com> <4B3FD6DB.8040906@octoxol.com> <28D6EEFF89404E3C8B1D11D2BAAF9FFF@danPC> Message-ID: <4B401AA5.70709@octoxol.com> Remember, wikipedia is user written with no actual peer review. 25 years is some thieving antique dealer's idea of a joke. Daniel Melvin wrote: > Here is the wikipedia entry for "Antique". If you read the definition > section I think there is some merit in the 25 year old item. But, I had > always heard 100 years too. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antique > > Dan > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > > I have seen the definition of age greater than 100 but have never seen > anything close to 25 as being defined as antique. > > Robert Wright wrote: >> I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition >> of "antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is >> an antique by any definition. >> >> >>> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 >>> From: rich-mail at octoxol.com >>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >>> >>> That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time >>> and $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the >>> tariff to see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage >>> coverage. >>> >>> Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. >>> >>> The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, >>> claims, or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that >>> does not match the tariff. >>> >>> If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will >>> almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other >>> than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major >>> pain to deal with unless it was registered mail. >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sat Jan 2 20:22:46 2010 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:22:46 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <000801ca8c17$b6b608c0$24221a40$@edu> References: <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com> <4B3FD6DB.8040906@octoxol.com> <000801ca8c17$b6b608c0$24221a40$@edu> Message-ID: <4B401B96.5020207@octoxol.com> Some DMVs will issue antique plates at 25 years but that hardly qualifies. the car restoration/collection community does not see the DMV as an authority and have different definitions. Ron L'Herault wrote: > Cars are considered officially antique at age 25. > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Rich > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 6:30 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > I have seen the definition of age greater than 100 but have never seen > anything close to 25 as being defined as antique. > > Robert Wright wrote: >> I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of > "antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an > antique by any definition. >> >>> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 >>> From: rich-mail at octoxol.com >>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >>> >>> That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and >>> $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to >>> see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. >>> >>> Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. >>> >>> The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, >>> or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not >>> match the tariff. >>> >>> If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will >>> almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other >>> than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major pain >>> to deal with unless it was registered mail. >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sat Jan 2 20:20:31 2010 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:20:31 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: References: , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, , <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, Message-ID: <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com> The antique car crowd has very different ideas on what constitutes and antique car. Where did you find that definition? Steven Medved wrote: > An item which is at least 50 to 100 years old and is collected or > desirable due to rarity, condition, utility, or some other unique > feature. > > Motor vehicles, power tools and other items subject to vigorous use in > contrast, may be considered antiques in the U.S. if older than 25 > years, and some electronic gadgets of more recent vintage may be > considered antiques. > >> From: esroberto at hotmail.com >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:42:33 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >> >> >> I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of "antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an antique by any definition. >> >> >>> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 >>> From: rich-mail at octoxol.com >>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >>> >>> That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and >>> $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to >>> see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. >>> >>> Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. >>> >>> The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, >>> or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not >>> match the tariff. >>> >>> If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will >>> almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other >>> than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major pain >>> to deal with unless it was registered mail. >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From esroberto at hotmail.com Sat Jan 2 21:11:02 2010 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 05:11:02 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com> References: , , , , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, , <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, ,,<1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , , <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com> Message-ID: Wow. What a waste of energy, getting so defensive over a definition. > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:20:31 -0600 > From: rich-mail at octoxol.com > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > > The antique car crowd has very different ideas on what constitutes and > antique car. > > Where did you find that definition? > > Steven Medved wrote: > > An item which is at least 50 to 100 years old and is collected or > > desirable due to rarity, condition, utility, or some other unique > > feature. > > > > Motor vehicles, power tools and other items subject to vigorous use in > > contrast, may be considered antiques in the U.S. if older than 25 > > years, and some electronic gadgets of more recent vintage may be > > considered antiques. > > > >> From: esroberto at hotmail.com > >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > >> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:42:33 +0000 > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > >> > >> > >> I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of "antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an antique by any definition. > >> > >> > >>> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 > >>> From: rich-mail at octoxol.com > >>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > >>> > >>> That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and > >>> $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to > >>> see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. > >>> > >>> Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. > >>> > >>> The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, > >>> or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not > >>> match the tariff. > >>> > >>> If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will > >>> almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other > >>> than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major pain > >>> to deal with unless it was registered mail. > >>> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From steve_noreen at msn.com Sat Jan 2 21:28:45 2010 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 00:28:45 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com> References: , , , , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, , <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, ,,<1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , , <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com> Message-ID: Wikipedia. In Ohio you could get an antique plate for a car that was 25 years old or older, I suppose they figured it it hadn't rusted away it was special. For me an antique car is one in the early 1930's or earlier. It has been that way for me since the 1970's. A 1955 Chevy to me is a classic, not an antique. I guess I am stuck in time. > The antique car crowd has very different ideas on what constitutes and > antique car. > > Where did you find that definition? > > Steven Medved wrote: > > An item which is at least 50 to 100 years old and is collected or > > desirable due to rarity, condition, utility, or some other unique > > feature. > > > > Motor vehicles, power tools and other items subject to vigorous use in > > contrast, may be considered antiques in the U.S. if older than 25 > > years, and some electronic gadgets of more recent vintage may be > > considered antiques. > > > >> From: esroberto at hotmail.com > >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > >> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:42:33 +0000 > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > >> > >> > >> I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of "antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an antique by any definition. > >> > >> > >>> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 > >>> From: rich-mail at octoxol.com > >>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs > >>> > >>> That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and > >>> $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to > >>> see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. > >>> > >>> Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. > >>> > >>> The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, > >>> or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not > >>> match the tariff. > >>> > >>> If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will > >>> almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other > >>> than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major pain > >>> to deal with unless it was registered mail. > >>> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. > >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sun Jan 3 06:10:45 2010 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:10:45 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, , <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, , , <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , , <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <4B40A565.4020801@octoxol.com> Wikipedia is a joke. The generally accepted definition of antique, classic, special interest etc as it relates to automobiles is listed in Hemmings Motor news and was dreamed up by the collector groups themselves. Hemmings used to be and probably still is the reference for that and also was/is the forum for those groups. There is also a definition for trucks and its different. As all of this was actually related to the compensation for damage to phonographs that have been entrusted to UPS/FedEx/USPS etc and it is a very good idea to go read their definitions of what is and what is not covered as that is what you are agreeing to when you ship the package. Not the DMV, Hemmings, old tax code, or the wikipedia. That was my point and if some of you happen to think "Wow. What a waste of energy, getting so defensive over a definition." then when you do not get reimbursed for an expensive machine that has been gleefully destroyed by the shipper, don't complain. The "antique plates" are for taking an older car or truck to car shows and not road use except in a couple of states. Then its for personal use including shows and demonstrations. The all are restricted as to use to some degree or another. It is more of a bureaucratic convenience as these old cars and trucks will not pass nor are required to pass the current safety and/or emissions laws. But the definition of antique/classic/special interest etc have been defined by the collector groups. Antique as it relates to cars and trucks is usually 1920 and older, or even older. Steven Medved wrote: > Wikipedia. > > In Ohio you could get an antique plate for a car that was 25 years old or older, I suppose they figured it it hadn't rusted away it was special. > > For me an antique car is one in the early 1930's or earlier. It has been that way for me since the 1970's. A 1955 Chevy to me is a classic, not an antique. I guess I am stuck in time. > >> The antique car crowd has very different ideas on what constitutes and >> antique car. >> >> Where did you find that definition? >> >> Steven Medved wrote: >>> An item which is at least 50 to 100 years old and is collected or >>> desirable due to rarity, condition, utility, or some other unique >>> feature. >>> >>> Motor vehicles, power tools and other items subject to vigorous use in >>> contrast, may be considered antiques in the U.S. if older than 25 >>> years, and some electronic gadgets of more recent vintage may be >>> considered antiques. >>> >>>> From: esroberto at hotmail.com >>>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >>>> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:42:33 +0000 >>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of "antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an antique by any definition. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 >>>>> From: rich-mail at octoxol.com >>>>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >>>>> >>>>> That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and >>>>> $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to >>>>> see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. >>>>> >>>>> Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. >>>>> >>>>> The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, >>>>> or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not >>>>> match the tariff. >>>>> >>>>> If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will >>>>> almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other >>>>> than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major pain >>>>> to deal with unless it was registered mail. >>>>> >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. >>>> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From ronbrink at aol.com Sun Jan 3 09:15:30 2010 From: ronbrink at aol.com (ronbrink at aol.com) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:15:30 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC5AAF7BECCF04-4358-474A2@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> First, I think Steve had a good comment in that there are some pack/ship businesses who may provide better service and help to ensure things are A) packed well and B) covered if something happens. Thats why they call it "insurance". I also believe the added expense sometimes is justified depending on what is being shipped. It certainly makes sense to ask all the right questions up front to be certain there are no issues when a problem comes up. In my specific case I provided a receipt specifying original payment amount at time of insuring the item before they would even insure it for that amount. The claim was submitted with same. To be honest, I was completely surprised how quick things went. To complete "the rest of the story"..... it helped immensely to have pictures on the receiving end of the package showing damage to the outside. Open the box and another pick of the associated damage inside, etc. In my case, the box was left by UPS out in the middle of a driveway in the pouring rain. Perhaps stupidity trumps whether it was an antique or not or what its value is :) -----Original Message----- From: Bob To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sat, Jan 2, 2010 6:08 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs I once tried to ship a phonograph through UPS. When I tried to insure it for $1,000 they insisted that I haave an indipendent appraisal before they would insure it. This was before eBay so maybe things have changed. If you bring a copy of the eBay sale record is this sufficient to prove the value? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >I agree Peter. There are local UPS pack and ship stores that I have >utilized this same method. Pack the item and hand it over to them where >they box it for shipment. When insured for full value, they cough up a >check with no questions asked. I believe my only claim through one local >pack and ship store was resolved in about 7 - 10 days for about $4500.00. > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From slowpost at clear.net.nz Sun Jan 3 02:19:57 2010 From: slowpost at clear.net.nz (Mark Dawson) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 23:19:57 +1300 Subject: [Phono-L] European G&T HMV Mahogany Gramophone Message-ID: <65C7748CBD2B4091B3BD56239E1AED43@D69S8J1S> Hi all, greetings from New Zealand, in Napier, Hawkes Bay presently 32dgrees.Warm alright! l see the problems folk are having with shipping. I use ,to get stuff to NZ, My Us. based in Florida they work in with DHL. More you send, at one time, the cheaper it gets. Had a lovely Victor III sent to me, then all the way from Auckland to my place of work. Weight of two boxes 44.3 pounds. Cost to get it from door to door $US 265 ummmm not bad for going half way round the world. Plus the seller knew how to pack a phonograph. Two huge boxes 56 centermetres x 61. Now anybody out there familar with European HMV G&T's Have just got one minus the horn , elbow, crank and bayonet fitting that keeps the horn elbow secure. The case is rather elaborate, almost Grecian looking with pillars or collums on all four corners. Wood is mahogany. Has the Gramophone and Typewriter on the back at the bottom below the bracket that secures the tone arm reproducer. The turntable is screwed in. On the front there is a pressed brass metal plague, in flowing Art Nouveau style, of four young ladies, rather impressive! 12 inch turntable. The motor reminds me of a Victor MS. What is it? I put it out to the universe, as well as the parts that I need? Someone from the mother country will know, and will the the bits I need! Cheers Mark Dawson NZ slowpost at clear.net.nz Have photos too! From pjfraser at mac.com Sun Jan 3 11:34:22 2010 From: pjfraser at mac.com (Peter Fraser) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: References: <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO> <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com> <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com> <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com> <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com> Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer of a friend. We also helped our friend with her iPod. As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, could be as "with it" when she got to the age of our friend: 92. She replied that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other technology...but paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that time, an iPhone would look to youngsters the same way an Edison cylinder phono looks to her today. "Antique" is a moving target. Most kids today have no idea what an LP is - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to be an antique. On Jan 2, 2010, at 9:28 PM, Steven Medved wrote: > > Wikipedia. > > In Ohio you could get an antique plate for a car that was 25 years old or older, I suppose they figured it it hadn't rusted away it was special. > > For me an antique car is one in the early 1930's or earlier. It has been that way for me since the 1970's. A 1955 Chevy to me is a classic, not an antique. I guess I am stuck in time. > >> The antique car crowd has very different ideas on what constitutes and >> antique car. >> >> Where did you find that definition? >> >> Steven Medved wrote: >>> An item which is at least 50 to 100 years old and is collected or >>> desirable due to rarity, condition, utility, or some other unique >>> feature. >>> >>> Motor vehicles, power tools and other items subject to vigorous use in >>> contrast, may be considered antiques in the U.S. if older than 25 >>> years, and some electronic gadgets of more recent vintage may be >>> considered antiques. >>> >>>> From: esroberto at hotmail.com >>>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >>>> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:42:33 +0000 >>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of "antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an antique by any definition. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600 >>>>> From: rich-mail at octoxol.com >>>>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs >>>>> >>>>> That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and >>>>> $$ shipping. I still would want to very carefully read the tariff to >>>>> see just exactly what is and is not covered by the damage coverage. >>>>> >>>>> Antique has a definition and it usually means 100 years old or older. >>>>> >>>>> The tariff also usually states that it supersedes any promises, claims, >>>>> or off-the-cuff comments made by any employ or agent that does not >>>>> match the tariff. >>>>> >>>>> If they back the truck over it or stab it with a fork truck you will >>>>> almost always get paid no matter what it is or how old it is. Other >>>>> than acts of obvious negligence UPS and the Post Office are a major pain >>>>> to deal with unless it was registered mail. >>>>> >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. >>>> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Peter pjfraser at mac.com From steve_noreen at msn.com Sun Jan 3 11:39:33 2010 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:39:33 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <4B40A565.4020801@octoxol.com> References: , ,,, ,,, ,,<1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, ,,<4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, , ,,<1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , ,,<4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , , , , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com>, , <4B40A565.4020801@octoxol.com> Message-ID: My definition of an antique car is one that has wheels with wooden spokes. > Wikipedia is a joke. The generally accepted definition of antique, > classic, special interest etc as it relates to automobiles is listed in > Hemmings Motor news and was dreamed up by the collector groups > themselves. Hemmings used to be and probably still is the reference for > that and also was/is the forum for those groups. There is also a > definition for trucks and its different. > > As all of this was actually related to the compensation for damage to > phonographs that have been entrusted to UPS/FedEx/USPS etc and it is a > very good idea to go read their definitions of what is and what is not > covered as that is what you are agreeing to when you ship the package. > Not the DMV, Hemmings, old tax code, or the wikipedia. > > That was my point and if some of you happen to think "Wow. What a waste > of energy, getting so defensive over a definition." then when you do not > get reimbursed for an expensive machine that has been gleefully > destroyed by the shipper, don't complain. > > The "antique plates" are for taking an older car or truck to car shows > and not road use except in a couple of states. Then its for personal > use including shows and demonstrations. The all are restricted as to > use to some degree or another. It is more of a bureaucratic convenience > as these old cars and trucks will not pass nor are required to pass the > current safety and/or emissions laws. But the definition of > antique/classic/special interest etc have been defined by the collector > groups. Antique as it relates to cars and trucks is usually 1920 and > older, or even older. From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sun Jan 3 12:34:56 2010 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:34:56 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, , , <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, , , , <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , , , <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , , , , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com>, , <4B40A565.4020801@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <4B40FF70.4090507@octoxol.com> They went out of vogue about 1928 or so. The actual definition that the car collectors use is a bit convoluted and has to do with age and features. It is broken down into sub-groups. Brass radiator, gas lights etc. Steven Medved wrote: > My definition of an antique car is one that has wheels with wooden spokes. > > >> Wikipedia is a joke. The generally accepted definition of antique, >> classic, special interest etc as it relates to automobiles is listed in >> Hemmings Motor news and was dreamed up by the collector groups >> themselves. Hemmings used to be and probably still is the reference for >> that and also was/is the forum for those groups. There is also a >> definition for trucks and its different. >> >> As all of this was actually related to the compensation for damage to >> phonographs that have been entrusted to UPS/FedEx/USPS etc and it is a >> very good idea to go read their definitions of what is and what is not >> covered as that is what you are agreeing to when you ship the package. >> Not the DMV, Hemmings, old tax code, or the wikipedia. >> >> That was my point and if some of you happen to think "Wow. What a waste >> of energy, getting so defensive over a definition." then when you do not >> get reimbursed for an expensive machine that has been gleefully >> destroyed by the shipper, don't complain. >> >> The "antique plates" are for taking an older car or truck to car shows >> and not road use except in a couple of states. Then its for personal >> use including shows and demonstrations. The all are restricted as to >> use to some degree or another. It is more of a bureaucratic convenience >> as these old cars and trucks will not pass nor are required to pass the >> current safety and/or emissions laws. But the definition of >> antique/classic/special interest etc have been defined by the collector >> groups. Antique as it relates to cars and trucks is usually 1920 and >> older, or even older. > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From esroberto at hotmail.com Sun Jan 3 12:59:45 2010 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:59:45 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com> References: , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com>, , <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com> Message-ID: Antique is a moving target, and I think it always has been. Regarding its legal definition for purposes of insurance claims against shipping damage, Rich is right, it does need to be clearly stated, though I think 100 years is too many, personally. I've also found more than one source saying 100 years is the typical consideration (none of which were wiki-related). Seems it's a bit like "unique", another word murdered by popular usage and general misunderstanding. There are no degrees of unique -- it means literally one of its kind in all of existence. That one gets me worse than "antique" does. Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though in their youth they were anything but Luddite. > From: pjfraser at mac.com > Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800 > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping phonographs > > Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer of a friend. We also helped our friend with her iPod. > > As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, could be as "with it" when she got to the age of our friend: 92. She replied that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other technology...but paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that time, an iPhone would look to youngsters the same way an Edison cylinder phono looks to her today. > > "Antique" is a moving target. Most kids today have no idea what an LP is - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to be an antique. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ From chrisk33 at cox.net Sun Jan 3 13:07:52 2010 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:07:52 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques In-Reply-To: References: , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com>, , <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B410728.8090007@cox.net> How many of us "older" folks have embraced "Web 2.0" social media like Facebook and LinkedIn? Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me invitations. Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial? Chris Robert Wright wrote: > [snip] > Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though in their youth they were anything but Luddite. >> From: pjfraser at mac.com >> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800 >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >> Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping phonographs >> >> Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer of a friend. We also helped our friend with her iPod. >> >> As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, could be as "with it" when she got to the age of our friend: 92. She replied that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other technology...but paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that time, an iPhone would look to youngsters the same way an Edison cylinder phono looks to her today. >> >> "Antique" is a moving target. Most kids today have no idea what an LP is - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to be an antique. >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From lherault at bu.edu Sun Jan 3 14:50:03 2010 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:50:03 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques In-Reply-To: <4B410728.8090007@cox.net> References: , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com>, , <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com> <4B410728.8090007@cox.net> Message-ID: <000c01ca8cc7$16e6de90$44b49bb0$@edu> Facebook, which I joined after my employer constructed a site (BU dental school) is nice for sharing pictures and for promoting things that interest you to your friends and even their friends. I've also been contacted by several old high school acquaintances that I'd lost track of and who I enjoyed communicating with. A couple were even grammar school classmates. It can be a time sucker though. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Chris Kocsis Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:08 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques How many of us "older" folks have embraced "Web 2.0" social media like Facebook and LinkedIn? Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me invitations. Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial? Chris Robert Wright wrote: > [snip] > Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though in their youth they were anything but Luddite. >> From: pjfraser at mac.com >> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800 >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >> Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping phonographs >> >> Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer of a friend. We also helped our friend with her iPod. >> >> As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, could be as "with it" when she got to the age of our friend: 92. She replied that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other technology...but paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that time, an iPhone would look to youngsters the same way an Edison cylinder phono looks to her today. >> >> "Antique" is a moving target. Most kids today have no idea what an LP is - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to be an antique. >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From phonofolks at aol.com Sun Jan 3 16:17:23 2010 From: phonofolks at aol.com (phonofolks at aol.com) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:17:23 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping phonographs In-Reply-To: References: , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com>, , <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com> Message-ID: <8CC5AEA6C040DED-5368-5A933@webmail-m096.sysops.aol.com> Anyhting made after 1840 is not an antique, but is considered a collectible. Anything antique is usually referred to as an item hand made prior to 1840. A least for furniture this date is of signifigance due to the creation of the wire nail. Nails were hand wrought 1840 and prior. Also wood was being cut after 1840 with a circular saw and no longer by hand. So cars and phonographs are more or less collectibles rather than antiques. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Wright To: Phono L Sent: Sun, Jan 3, 2010 3:59 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping phonographs ntique is a moving target, and I think it always has been. Regarding its legal efinition for purposes of insurance claims against shipping damage, Rich is ight, it does need to be clearly stated, though I think 100 years is too many, ersonally. I've also found more than one source saying 100 years is the ypical consideration (none of which were wiki-related). Seems it's a bit like "unique", another word murdered by popular usage and eneral misunderstanding. There are no degrees of unique -- it means literally ne of its kind in all of existence. That one gets me worse than "antique" oes. Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are still o scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though in their outh they were anything but Luddite. From: pjfraser at mac.com Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800 To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping phonographs Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer of a riend. We also helped our friend with her iPod. As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, could be s "with it" when she got to the age of our friend: 92. She replied that she'd lways stay up on the latest ipods and other technology...but paused to reflect hen I mentioned that by that time, an iPhone would look to youngsters the same ay an Edison cylinder phono looks to her today. "Antique" is a moving target. Most kids today have no idea what an LP is - nd even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to be an antique. ________________________________________________________________ otmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. ttp://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org From dan at old-phonographs.com Sun Jan 3 16:32:57 2010 From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:32:57 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques In-Reply-To: <4B410728.8090007@cox.net> References: , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com>, , <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com> <4B410728.8090007@cox.net> Message-ID: <46FFFEB5541A4FB99B1DC4FE9C13955F@danPC> I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group that doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not know how to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. He can write beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it just falls flat. I don't seem to in the majority on this either. My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if you remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public information. Even the information you choose not to share will be available to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually all employers are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for "information" about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you may say. I consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short number of years the consequences of regular and not thought through posts will take a real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks. Just my 2 cent worth, Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kocsis" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques > How many of us "older" folks have embraced "Web 2.0" social media like > Facebook and LinkedIn? Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have > friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me > invitations. Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial? > > Chris > > Robert Wright wrote: >> [snip] >> > Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are > still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though > in their youth they were anything but Luddite. > >>> From: pjfraser at mac.com >>> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800 >>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >>> Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping >>> phonographs >>> >>> Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer >>> of a friend. We also helped our friend with her iPod. >>> >>> As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, >>> could be as "with it" when she got to the age of our friend: 92. She >>> replied that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other >>> technology...but paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that time, >>> an iPhone would look to youngsters the same way an Edison cylinder phono >>> looks to her today. >>> >>> "Antique" is a moving target. Most kids today have no idea what an LP >>> is - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to >>> be an antique. >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From esroberto at hotmail.com Sun Jan 3 17:18:43 2010 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 01:18:43 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques In-Reply-To: <46FFFEB5541A4FB99B1DC4FE9C13955F@danPC> References: , , , , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, , <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, , <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , , , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com>, , , , <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com>, <4B410728.8090007@cox.net>, <46FFFEB5541A4FB99B1DC4FE9C13955F@danPC> Message-ID: I agree mostly... I won't blame facebook for young ppl losing verbal skills. All that stuff comes from parents any way you slice it. But plenty of ppl have been fired or driven out of work situations from things they posted. I think at some point there will be a law established against that kind of thing; if I want to bad mouth my company to friends in a bar, my boss has no right to dismiss me over it just because he could hear me. But then, you must consider morale, company image, etc. Lots of grey area comes with new communications technologies. I like facebook and use it daily. I like being reconnected with 50 or so friends from my past that I would've never heard from again without facebook's unique friend search functions (which made it successful even before myspace started ramming sponsored "artists" down members' throats and nailed their own coffin shut). I just shut down/off any functions I don't use or like and my facebook homepage is very clean and simple. Nonetheless, social sites aren't for everyone, even if I'm one of millions who consider their lives largely enriched by using them. Any viewpoint is going to be valid to the person subscribing to it. > From: dan at old-phonographs.com > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:32:57 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques > > I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group that > doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not know how > to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. He can write > beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it just falls flat. > I don't seem to in the majority on this either. > > My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if you > remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public > information. Even the information you choose not to share will be available > to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually all employers > are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for "information" > about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you may say. I > consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short number of > years the consequences of regular and not thought through posts will take a > real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks. > > Just my 2 cent worth, > > Dan _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From loran at oldcrank.com Sun Jan 3 17:30:22 2010 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:30:22 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques In-Reply-To: <4B410728.8090007@cox.net> References: <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com> <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com> <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com> <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com> <4B410728.8090007@cox.net> Message-ID: <998dac551001031730x3b436ffuebf64d3c550dc370@mail.gmail.com> There are quite a few phono/record collectors on FB. My problem is that between them, my military buds, work associates, family, etc., it becomes a mish-mash of eclectic stuff. On the other hand, I've talked to folks that I lost track of years ago. As Ron said, it can be a real time sucker. One thing that really annoyed me about FB is that it initially wants to email you every single time someone comments on a post that either you made or commented on. Then there are all the games... every time someone buys a duck for their virtual farm, you'll find out about it. Fortunately, you can turn off the emails and hide the game stuff - once you figure it all out. Loran On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Chris Kocsis wrote: > How many of us "older" folks have embraced "Web 2.0" social media like > Facebook and LinkedIn? ?Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have > friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me > invitations. ?Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial? > > Chris > From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sun Jan 3 17:35:35 2010 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:35:35 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques In-Reply-To: <46FFFEB5541A4FB99B1DC4FE9C13955F@danPC> References: , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com>, , <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com> <4B410728.8090007@cox.net> <46FFFEB5541A4FB99B1DC4FE9C13955F@danPC> Message-ID: <4B4145E7.9000707@octoxol.com> Don't worry, after the government gets their hands on your medical history you will not be concerned with what might be left on the social network sites. Daniel Melvin wrote: > I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group > that doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not > know how to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. > He can write beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it > just falls flat. I don't seem to in the majority on this either. > > My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if > you remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public > information. Even the information you choose not to share will be > available to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually > all employers are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for > "information" about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you > may say. I consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short > number of years the consequences of regular and not thought through > posts will take a real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks. > > Just my 2 cent worth, > > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kocsis" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:07 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques > > >> How many of us "older" folks have embraced "Web 2.0" social media like >> Facebook and LinkedIn? Frankly I have no interest in either, but I >> have friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who >> send me invitations. Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and >> beneficial? >> >> Chris >> >> Robert Wright wrote: >>> [snip] >>> >> Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who >> are still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, >> even though in their youth they were anything but Luddite. >> >>>> From: pjfraser at mac.com >>>> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800 >>>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >>>> Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping >>>> phonographs >>>> >>>> Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the >>>> computer of a friend. We also helped our friend with her iPod. >>>> >>>> As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, >>>> could be as "with it" when she got to the age of our friend: 92. >>>> She replied that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other >>>> technology...but paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that >>>> time, an iPhone would look to youngsters the same way an Edison >>>> cylinder phono looks to her today. >>>> >>>> "Antique" is a moving target. Most kids today have no idea what an >>>> LP is - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider >>>> it to be an antique. >>>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From loran at oldcrank.com Sun Jan 3 18:02:05 2010 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:02:05 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques In-Reply-To: <4B4145E7.9000707@octoxol.com> References: <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com> <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com> <4B410728.8090007@cox.net> <46FFFEB5541A4FB99B1DC4FE9C13955F@danPC> <4B4145E7.9000707@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <998dac551001031802r40ca5043s882123baf393a4d9@mail.gmail.com> They already have my medical records, fingerprints, and background information. FB is the least of my problems! ;) Loran On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Rich wrote: > Don't worry, after the government gets their hands on your medical history > you will not be concerned with what might be left on the social network > sites. > From tomj33 at msn.com Sun Jan 3 18:27:20 2010 From: tomj33 at msn.com (Tom Jordan) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:27:20 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, , <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, , <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , , , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com>, , , , <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com>, <4B410728.8090007@cox.net>, <46FFFEB5541A4FB99B1DC4FE9C13955F@danPC> Message-ID: I use facebook to keep up with my extended family around the country. That's the only way some of us can keep touch. I spend about 15 minutes a day on it. Not a heavy user. I'm currently in Job Search so I use Linkedin for networking purposes. 93% of leadership or high tech positions today aren't posted on job boards, but are filled through networking in person or using social networking tools like Linkedin. What really concerns me is the degradation of the English language due to texting. I receive e-mails from people who text a lot and they are unable to construct a cohesive sentence or in some cases communicate or express themselves at all in the written form. I sound like an old fart at the age of 51, don't I. :0) -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Robert Wright Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:19 PM To: Phono L Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques I agree mostly... I won't blame facebook for young ppl losing verbal skills. All that stuff comes from parents any way you slice it. But plenty of ppl have been fired or driven out of work situations from things they posted. I think at some point there will be a law established against that kind of thing; if I want to bad mouth my company to friends in a bar, my boss has no right to dismiss me over it just because he could hear me. But then, you must consider morale, company image, etc. Lots of grey area comes with new communications technologies. I like facebook and use it daily. I like being reconnected with 50 or so friends from my past that I would've never heard from again without facebook's unique friend search functions (which made it successful even before myspace started ramming sponsored "artists" down members' throats and nailed their own coffin shut). I just shut down/off any functions I don't use or like and my facebook homepage is very clean and simple. Nonetheless, social sites aren't for everyone, even if I'm one of millions who consider their lives largely enriched by using them. Any viewpoint is going to be valid to the person subscribing to it. > From: dan at old-phonographs.com > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:32:57 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques > > I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group that > doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not know how > to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. He can write > beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it just falls flat. > I don't seem to in the majority on this either. > > My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if you > remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public > information. Even the information you choose not to share will be available > to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually all employers > are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for "information" > about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you may say. I > consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short number of > years the consequences of regular and not thought through posts will take a > real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks. > > Just my 2 cent worth, > > Dan _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Sun Jan 3 18:29:43 2010 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:29:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, , <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, , <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , , , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com>, , , , <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com>, <4B410728.8090007@cox.net>, <46FFFEB5541A4FB99B1DC4FE9C13955F@danPC> Message-ID: <366695.84735.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, i donno wht u r talking abt. :-P John Robles ________________________________ From: Tom Jordan To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 6:27:20 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques I use facebook to keep up with my extended family around the country. That's the only way some of us can keep touch. I spend about 15 minutes a day on it. Not a heavy user. I'm currently in Job Search so I use Linkedin for networking purposes. 93% of leadership or high tech positions today aren't posted on job boards, but are filled through networking in person or using social networking tools like Linkedin. What really concerns me is the degradation of the English language due to texting. I receive e-mails from people who text a lot and they are unable to construct a cohesive sentence or in some cases communicate or express themselves at all in the written form. I sound like an old fart at the age of 51, don't I. :0) -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Robert Wright Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:19 PM To: Phono L Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques I agree mostly... I won't blame facebook for young ppl losing verbal skills. All that stuff comes from parents any way you slice it. But plenty of ppl have been fired or driven out of work situations from things they posted. I think at some point there will be a law established against that kind of thing; if I want to bad mouth my company to friends in a bar, my boss has no right to dismiss me over it just because he could hear me. But then, you must consider morale, company image, etc. Lots of grey area comes with new communications technologies. I like facebook and use it daily. I like being reconnected with 50 or so friends from my past that I would've never heard from again without facebook's unique friend search functions (which made it successful even before myspace started ramming sponsored "artists" down members' throats and nailed their own coffin shut). I just shut down/off any functions I don't use or like and my facebook homepage is very clean and simple. Nonetheless, social sites aren't for everyone, even if I'm one of millions who consider their lives largely enriched by using them. Any viewpoint is going to be valid to the person subscribing to it. > From: dan at old-phonographs.com > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:32:57 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques > > I don't like them much either. I'm 55 so I fit right into the age group that > doesn't like these sites that are training our young people to not know how > to verbally communicate. I have a nephew that is already there. He can write > beautifully, but try to have a conversation with him and it just falls flat. > I don't seem to in the majority on this either. > > My biggest objection to them though is that everything you put, even if you > remove it later, on facebook or any other site is permanent public > information. Even the information you choose not to share will be available > to the government should they wish to take a look. Virtually all employers > are now scouring these sites when hiring new employees for "information" > about what you do, who you communicate with, and what you may say. I > consider it pretty risky and I am fairly sure in a very short number of > years the consequences of regular and not thought through posts will take a > real tole on lots of unsuspecting folks. > > Just my 2 cent worth, > > Dan _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Sun Jan 3 18:31:30 2010 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:31:30 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Hello Everyone and Cradenza backboard needed In-Reply-To: <1322843472.3514411262041231991.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1322843472.3514411262041231991.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <003701ca8ce6$064e1e30$12ea5a90$@edu> If he has not contacted you already, I'd e-mail George Vollema, victrola at triton.net. He's got a great stock of parts and is great to deal with. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of zuccawt at comcast.net Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:01 PM To: PhonoList Subject: [Phono-L] Hello Everyone and Cradenza backboard needed Hello everyone on Phono-L: I am a new subscriber to Phono-L and would like to introduce myself. I live in Vermont and am primarily a collector of records (1920s hot dance & jazz, as well as film soundtrack and early radio discs) but I have a few machines and love listening to them. Victor Credenza story: I always took with a grain of salt any story I heard about how wonderful it was to listen to early electrical records on a Victor Credenza preferring to use my nice Numark turntable, a truncated 2.5 mil stylus, my Souvenir noise reduction unit, and nice, quiet amp. I was quite vocal about this too whenever the subject of playing records and cylinders on original equipment came up for discussion. But then I heard a scroll Victor "Gems from Rio Rita" played on a friend's Credenza , one that had been properly restored , and I couldn't believe the warmth and depth of the sound. I bought one and restored it and while I wouldn't play my best store stock records on it, I do have several crates of late '20s scroll Victors that listen to on the big machine. That leads me to a request. I have acquired a second full-sized Credenza that is without its backboard and wonder if anyone on the list might have one available so I can complete its restoration. If you do, please contact me privately at zuccawt @comcast.net Best regards to everyone and Happy New Year. Bill Zucca _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From loran at oldcrank.com Sun Jan 3 18:37:36 2010 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:37:36 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques In-Reply-To: <366695.84735.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com> <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com> <4B410728.8090007@cox.net> <46FFFEB5541A4FB99B1DC4FE9C13955F@danPC> <366695.84735.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <998dac551001031837w37c374fek96ad733c107806e6@mail.gmail.com> LOL! Loran On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:29 PM, john robles wrote: > Tom, i donno wht u r talking abt. ?:-P > John Robles From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sun Jan 3 20:14:16 2010 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:14:16 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques In-Reply-To: <998dac551001031802r40ca5043s882123baf393a4d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com> <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com> <4B410728.8090007@cox.net> <46FFFEB5541A4FB99B1DC4FE9C13955F@danPC> <4B4145E7.9000707@octoxol.com> <998dac551001031802r40ca5043s882123baf393a4d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B416B18.6020800@octoxol.com> Well, that was my point. I have filled out so many background investigation forms that I have lost track. Loran T. Hughes wrote: > They already have my medical records, fingerprints, and background > information. FB is the least of my problems! > > ;) > Loran > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Rich wrote: >> Don't worry, after the government gets their hands on your medical history >> you will not be concerned with what might be left on the social network >> sites. >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From zuccawt at comcast.net Mon Jan 4 03:34:55 2010 From: zuccawt at comcast.net (zuccawt at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Hello Everyone and Cradenza backboard needed In-Reply-To: <003701ca8ce6$064e1e30$12ea5a90$@edu> Message-ID: <713069017.4945411262604895825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Roy: Yes, we have been in touch and he does have what I am seeking. Thanks, BillZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron L'Herault" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2010 9:31:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Hello Everyone and Cradenza backboard needed If he has not contacted you already, I'd e-mail George Vollema, ?victrola at triton.net. ?He's got a great stock of parts and is great to deal with. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of zuccawt at comcast.net Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:01 PM To: PhonoList Subject: [Phono-L] Hello Everyone and Cradenza backboard needed Hello everyone on Phono-L: I am a new subscriber to Phono-L and would like to introduce myself. ?I live in Vermont and am primarily a collector of records (1920s hot dance & jazz, as well as film soundtrack and early radio discs) but I have a few machines and love listening to them. Victor Credenza story: I always took with a grain of salt any story I heard about how wonderful it was to listen to early electrical records on a Victor Credenza preferring to use my nice Numark turntable, a truncated 2.5 mil stylus, my Souvenir noise reduction unit, and nice, quiet amp. ?I was quite vocal about this too whenever the subject of playing records and cylinders on original equipment came up for discussion. ?But then I heard a scroll Victor "Gems from Rio Rita" played on a friend's Credenza , one that had been properly restored , and I couldn't believe the warmth and depth of the sound. I bought one and restored it and while I wouldn't play my best store stock records on it, I do have several crates of late '20s scroll Victors that listen to on the big machine. ? That leads me to a request. ?I have acquired a second full-sized Credenza that is without its backboard and wonder if anyone on the list might have one available so I can complete its restoration. ?If you do, please contact me privately at zuccawt @comcast.net Best regards to everyone and Happy New Year. Bill Zucca _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From nipper at dataex.com Mon Jan 4 07:11:51 2010 From: nipper at dataex.com (Robin & Joan Rolfs) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:11:51 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Nipper item Mystery Solved Message-ID: <93F4A19F9DBF49D58EE71B5681746246@owner094cc0223> BlankGreetings and Happy New Year 2010, Bill Hodges had an inquiry regarding a Nipper item he is listing on e-bay. With the help of my Nipper friend, we solved the mystery of what the Nipper item is. The item is listed on e-bay (item 300383123497) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300383123497&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT It is a dog and gramophone figure and my Nipper friend, Barbara Regan solved the mystery of what it is. The item is the top of the radio on page 3-90 of our Nipper Collectibles book. The only reason she knew that it was the top piece of the radio is because she has the whole radio. Actually, it's in 3 pieces. The top piece is the dog and gramophone on the red vinyl, the second piece is an insert which is a little red fabric-covered dish that you could put coins or other small items in and the bottom is where the actual parts of the transistor radio are. She didn't think anyone would realize it unless they actually owned the piece. She just thought the dog and gramophone on red looked familiar and finally found the radio. Bill wrote us in regard to the item and we did not recognize the item, but thanks to Barbara the Nipper mystery is solved. I am sure Bill will be changing the description of the item on e-bay to inform buyers of what the item actually is. Happy New Year, Happy Nipper Collecting, and looking forward to Orlando and a great time with phono friends. Robin & Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Mon Jan 4 09:45:29 2010 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Nipper item Mystery Solved In-Reply-To: <93F4A19F9DBF49D58EE71B5681746246@owner094cc0223> Message-ID: <748237481.7037731262627129721.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Just curious, since I don't have the book. When was this radio manufactured ? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin & Joan Rolfs" To: "Phono-L" Sent: Monday, January 4, 2010 10:11:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Nipper item Mystery Solved BlankGreetings and Happy New Year 2010, Bill Hodges had an inquiry regarding a Nipper item he is listing on e-bay. With the help of my Nipper friend, we solved the mystery of what the Nipper item is. The item is listed on e-bay (item 300383123497) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300383123497&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT It is a dog and gramophone figure and my Nipper friend, Barbara Regan solved the mystery of what it is. The item is the top of the radio on page 3-90 of our Nipper Collectibles book. The only reason she knew that it was the top piece of the radio is because she has the whole radio. Actually, it's in 3 pieces. The top piece is the dog and gramophone on the red vinyl, the second piece is an insert which is a little red fabric-covered dish that you could put coins or other small items in and the bottom is where the actual parts of the transistor radio are. She didn't think anyone would realize it unless they actually owned the piece. She just thought the dog and gramophone on red looked familiar and finally found the radio. Bill wrote us in regard to the item and we did not recognize the item, but thanks to Barbara the Nipper mystery is solved. I am sure Bill will be changing the description of the item on e-bay to inform buyers of what the item actually is. Happy New Year, Happy Nipper Collecting, and looking forward to Orlando and a great time with phono friends. Robin & Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 10:02:13 2010 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:02:13 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques In-Reply-To: <4B410728.8090007@cox.net> References: <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com> <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com> <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com> <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com> <4B410728.8090007@cox.net> Message-ID: <88839c921001041002h6f7e4683h518602fb88a15244@mail.gmail.com> Well.....I'm no kid (55), and I love Facebook. I've made contact with people that I haven't heard from in decades, and I'm continuously invited to all sorts of events, and parties. Plus, you can just sit back and see what's going on without being an active participent, if you wish. And,yes, I have found two friends on Facebook that are phonograph geeks. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Chris Kocsis wrote: > How many of us "older" folks have embraced "Web 2.0" social media like > Facebook and LinkedIn? Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have > friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me > invitations. Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial? > > Chris > > Robert Wright wrote: > >> [snip] >> >> > Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are > still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though > in their youth they were anything but Luddite. > > From: pjfraser at mac.com >>> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800 >>> >>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >>> Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping >>> phonographs >>> >>> Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer >>> of a friend. We also helped our friend with her iPod. >>> >>> As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, could >>> be as "with it" when she got to the age of our friend: 92. She replied >>> that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other technology...but >>> paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that time, an iPhone would look >>> to youngsters the same way an Edison cylinder phono looks to her today. >>> >>> "Antique" is a moving target. Most kids today have no idea what an LP is >>> - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to be an >>> antique. >>> >>> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From pjfraser at mac.com Mon Jan 4 10:07:37 2010 From: pjfraser at mac.com (Peter Fraser) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:07:37 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii In-Reply-To: <93F4A19F9DBF49D58EE71B5681746246@owner094cc0223> References: <93F4A19F9DBF49D58EE71B5681746246@owner094cc0223> Message-ID: <2CA46858-5B9E-4C22-AEA0-36006DF7600B@mac.com> I've come across one locally and am not interested myself, but if you are, please drop me a line. I'm near SF. What's the value range for these nowadays? Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfraser at mac.com On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Robin & Joan Rolfs wrote: > BlankGreetings and Happy New Year 2010, > > Bill Hodges had an inquiry regarding a Nipper item he is listing on > e-bay. With the help of my Nipper friend, we solved the mystery of > what the Nipper item is. The item is listed on e-bay (item 300383123497 > ) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300383123497&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > It is a dog and gramophone figure and my Nipper friend, Barbara > Regan solved the mystery of what it is. > > The item is the top of the radio on page 3-90 of our Nipper > Collectibles book. > > The only reason she knew that it was the top piece of the radio is > because she has the whole radio. Actually, it's in 3 pieces. The > top piece is the dog and gramophone on the red vinyl, the second > piece is an insert which is a little red fabric-covered dish that > you could put coins or other small items in and the bottom is where > the actual parts of the transistor radio are. She didn't think > anyone would realize it unless they actually owned the piece. She > just thought the dog and gramophone on red looked familiar and > finally found the radio. Bill wrote us in regard to the item and we > did not recognize the item, but thanks to Barbara the Nipper mystery > is solved. > > I am sure Bill will be changing the description of the item on e-bay > to inform buyers of what the item actually is. > > Happy New Year, Happy Nipper Collecting, and looking forward to > Orlando and a great time with phono friends. > > Robin & Joan Rolfs > Visit us at: > www.audioantique.com > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From wilenzick at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 4 10:13:28 2010 From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (Ray & Phyllis Wilenzick) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:13:28 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Phonograph Items For Sale Message-ID: I have the following items for sale. First come first served. All plus postage, Please contact me off list at: wilenzick at bellsouth.net Thanks. Ray Wilenzick 1. Pathe type aluminum horn, 7.5" bell, 10" long, perfect reproduction, $50 2. Pathe type aluminum horn, 10" bell, 13" long, perfect reproduction, $65 3. Pathe type aluminum, horn, original, 12" bell, 14" long, small dent in side, $80 4. Pathe ball stylus, NOS, mounted in shank, $50 5. Lot of 13 Pathe Salon empty cylinder boxes with lids, all nice, $60 6. Fireside or Gem 1-piece horn, cherry red, repro, excellent, $100 7. Edison diamond B cylinder reproducer, very nice, $100 8. Adapter to use C or H reproducer in large carriage, pot metal but nice, $50 9. Edison Model H reproducer in original box, perfect, $100 10. Edison Model C reproducer, nice but some specks of nickel off, $75 11. Edison cylinder recorder, no stylus or stylus holder, $35 12. Columbia #7 (D2-B) cylinder reproducer, missing stylus but NOS stylus supplied, $75 13. Victor Exhibition reproducer in original box, nice, $75 14. Book, From Tinfoil to Stereo, first printing 1959, $65 From wilenzick at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 4 11:48:30 2010 From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (Ray & Phyllis Wilenzick) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:48:30 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono Items for Sale Message-ID: <758F99BC17004F2AB409A709166C730F@WilenzickPC> I posted a list just 2 hours ago, and all reproducers have been sold, except the C (#10 on list). Other items still available at this moment. Ray From nipper at dataex.com Mon Jan 4 12:26:58 2010 From: nipper at dataex.com (Robin & Joan Rolfs) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:26:58 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Nipper item Mystery Solved References: <748237481.7037731262627129721.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: > Just curious, since I don't have the book. When was this radio > manufactured ? > > Bruce Greetings Bruce, We are sure this item was not licensed by the RCA Company, since there is no RCA logo on the item. On the side of the radio is the single word "Victor". On the bottom of the radio part is stamped: "Made in Japan" and under that is the number 516. Our educated guess would be that it was manufactured in Japan in 1960's or early 70's. Nipper was and still is such a popular logo representing the music industry that items were manufactured that were not licensed by the company. They are very hard to date since records of their manufacturer may not exist and are hard to trace. We always appreciate any information we receive on Nipper items, their history and manufacture date. Robin & Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com From rvuill at comcast.net Tue Jan 5 08:50:13 2010 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:50:13 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for a Good Edison Diamond B Reproducer Message-ID: Hi, I need a good Edison Diamond B reproducer. If you have one that you don't need please contact me at rvuill at comcast.net From artempo42 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 6 07:37:08 2010 From: artempo42 at sbcglobal.net (jerry f bacon) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 07:37:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Credenza # 532 for sale Message-ID: <995542.72851.qm@web180112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have a Victor 8-1 (credenza) with serial number 532 for sale in whole or for parts. It is spring wound and has the correct all brass sound box I want 900.00 for it with any shipping to be taken care of by the buyer.It is in Dallas,Tx and sounds terriffic with no ratteles.It is , of course the two door model and is the 32nd one made. If there is no interest I am going to part it out and use whatever is left of cabinet to keep warm this winter. Located in Dallas,Texas 214-328-9369 artempo42 at sbcglobal.net Many Thanks Jerry F Bacon From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Wed Jan 6 09:54:08 2010 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Credenza # 532 for sale In-Reply-To: <995542.72851.qm@web180112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <170525793.7903291262800448335.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Yikes !! Collector!! Spare that Credenza harm not a splinter on its graceful cabinet, and remember all those years it has played for thee!! Sorry I couldn't resist that. With apologies to George Pope Morris of course. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: " jerry f bacon" To: phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2010 10:37:08 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Credenza # 532 for sale I have a Victor 8-1 (credenza) with serial number 532 for sale in whole or for parts. It is spring wound and has the correct all brass sound box I want 900.00 for it with any shipping to be taken care of by the buyer.It is in Dallas, Tx and sounds terriffic with no ratteles .It is , of course the two door model and is the 32nd one made. If there is no interest I am going to part it out and use whatever is left of cabinet to keep warm this winter. Located in Dallas,Texas 214-328-9369 artempo42@ sbcglobal .net Many Thanks Jerry F Bacon _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org From xanaway at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 20:50:50 2010 From: xanaway at yahoo.com (ron gaukel) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 20:50:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] post an ad Message-ID: <480682.9694.qm@web65711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello, I would like to post an ad for a cylinder player. "Wanted, Columbia model BG wanted in any condition working or not, please contact me if you have one for sale. Thanks, Ron xanaway at yahoo.com " If you can post this for me or let me know how I can post it, that would help me out a lot. Future thanks, Ron From mtucker at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 7 01:31:11 2010 From: mtucker at exemail.com.au (Mike Tucker) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:31:11 +1100 Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone Message-ID: <643B3C28695045969A2AC941167B02D0@mikefb1afb33f4> Am keen to purchase a Regina Hexaphone, preferably in rough condition for restoration. I can organise transport. Mike Tucker mtucker at exemail.com.au From steve_noreen at msn.com Thu Jan 7 05:59:28 2010 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:59:28 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] post an ad In-Reply-To: <480682.9694.qm@web65711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <480682.9694.qm@web65711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Ron, It showed up on this list and I posted it on the other list for you as well. Steve > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 20:50:50 -0800 > From: xanaway at yahoo.com > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] post an ad > > Hello, I would like to post an ad for a cylinder player. > > "Wanted, Columbia model BG wanted in any condition working or not, please contact me if you have one for sale. Thanks, Ron xanaway at yahoo.com " > > If you can post this for me or let me know how I can post it, that would help me out a lot. > Future thanks, Ron > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 06:33:36 2010 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:33:36 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone In-Reply-To: <643B3C28695045969A2AC941167B02D0@mikefb1afb33f4> References: <643B3C28695045969A2AC941167B02D0@mikefb1afb33f4> Message-ID: <4b45f0c5.c401be0a.3625.ffffdfd9@mx.google.com> Kurt Nauck at nauck at 78rpm.com had a nice one for sale. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:31 AM To: Phono-L Post Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone Am keen to purchase a Regina Hexaphone, preferably in rough condition for restoration. I can organise transport. Mike Tucker mtucker at exemail.com.au _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.128/2604 - Release Date: 01/06/10 11:35:00 From mtucker at exemail.com.au Thu Jan 7 12:28:17 2010 From: mtucker at exemail.com.au (Mike Tucker) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 07:28:17 +1100 Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone Message-ID: <000501ca8fd7$f31f0f00$d95d2d00$@com.au> Does anyone have a rough Hexaphone for sale. Happy to take one needing restoration. Mike Tucker From glastris at comcast.net Thu Jan 7 13:08:33 2010 From: glastris at comcast.net (George Glastris) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:08:33 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Phonograms and Along Broadways Message-ID: <6AA55BC462424D0BAD22969B068EBD5C@GLASTRISPC> Hello List, I have a number of spare copies of these and am looking for anyone who may also have spares for swapping. Feel free to contact me off list Best, George glastris at comcast.net From lherault at bu.edu Thu Jan 7 13:12:18 2010 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:12:18 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone In-Reply-To: <000501ca8fd7$f31f0f00$d95d2d00$@com.au> References: <000501ca8fd7$f31f0f00$d95d2d00$@com.au> Message-ID: <008b01ca8fde$1870d580$54d6299b@ad.bu.edu> I've got a couple of governor weight screws here. How much do you want to restore? 8-) Seriously, though. I saw one in operation for the first time just last week end. They are really quite impressive. I hope your quest proves successful. I wish I really had something that would help. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:28 PM To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone Does anyone have a rough Hexaphone for sale. Happy to take one needing restoration. Mike Tucker _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jim at phono-phixer.com Thu Jan 7 19:57:22 2010 From: jim at phono-phixer.com (Jim K) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:57:22 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii References: <93F4A19F9DBF49D58EE71B5681746246@owner094cc0223> <2CA46858-5B9E-4C22-AEA0-36006DF7600B@mac.com> Message-ID: <001001ca9016$aece0ce0$0a00a8c0@Jim> Im curious as to value range as well. Anyone have a ballpark figure? Jim www.phono-phixer.com www.wimaps.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fraser" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii > I've come across one locally and am not interested myself, but if you > are, please drop me a line. I'm near SF. > > What's the value range for these nowadays? > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- Peter > pjfraser at mac.com > > On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Robin & Joan Rolfs wrote: > >> BlankGreetings and Happy New Year 2010, >> >> Bill Hodges had an inquiry regarding a Nipper item he is listing on >> e-bay. With the help of my Nipper friend, we solved the mystery of what >> the Nipper item is. The item is listed on e-bay (item 300383123497 ) >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300383123497&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT >> >> It is a dog and gramophone figure and my Nipper friend, Barbara Regan >> solved the mystery of what it is. >> >> The item is the top of the radio on page 3-90 of our Nipper Collectibles >> book. >> >> The only reason she knew that it was the top piece of the radio is >> because she has the whole radio. Actually, it's in 3 pieces. The top >> piece is the dog and gramophone on the red vinyl, the second piece is an >> insert which is a little red fabric-covered dish that you could put >> coins or other small items in and the bottom is where the actual parts >> of the transistor radio are. She didn't think anyone would realize it >> unless they actually owned the piece. She just thought the dog and >> gramophone on red looked familiar and finally found the radio. Bill >> wrote us in regard to the item and we did not recognize the item, but >> thanks to Barbara the Nipper mystery is solved. >> >> I am sure Bill will be changing the description of the item on e-bay to >> inform buyers of what the item actually is. >> >> Happy New Year, Happy Nipper Collecting, and looking forward to Orlando >> and a great time with phono friends. >> >> Robin & Joan Rolfs >> Visit us at: >> www.audioantique.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ger55 at comcast.net Thu Jan 7 23:05:14 2010 From: ger55 at comcast.net (ger) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 02:05:14 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" References: , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com>, , <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com> <8CC5AEA6C040DED-5368-5A933@webmail-m096.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <84F4436A8B084812BECD629B65ABD574@GER1> For purposes of importation, the govt defined an "antique" as anything older than 100 years (an "antiquity" is much older, as in hundreds or thousands of years...Sumarian, ex.). This 100 years has been accepted for many moons as the definition of antique (everywhere except ebay, of course). I checked this definition on an official gov site at least 15 years ago. Obviously this involves a moving date of production. And I think that the 100-year mark is significant, because... Interest appears to take off when an invention/item is near its 100th anniversary. I noticed that EAPG (my main collectible) began to get popular 1930-ish, because EAPG was near the 100 year mark (first glass pressed in 1825), and people became more aware. Didn't the phonograph also take off on some type of "anniversary" of its creation?? How many of the collectors here became more earnest in the 1980's or 1990's when the phono was commercially about 100 years old? Since ebay's appearance, someone added the definition of "semi-antique" as anything being 50 years old...not exactly sure where that one came from...possibly the govt as well. Hmmmm I think we might have a few semi-antique collectors here. ;) Also, one of my pet peeves: using the word "vintage" to mean something really "old." Vintage has to have a year or some reference to a time period added to it, as in "vintage 1893," or "Depression vintage," or even "vintage 1993." Just my 2 cents worth. ;) Ger PS: In my experience, particularly online watching chat groups, our younguns ain't so hot on grammar OR spelling. It used to drive me nuts. But now "your" being used for "you're" is becoming common, even in ads on tv! Who's to blame...or should I use a youngun's "whose" since they don't seem to know the difference between those 2 words either. LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: phonofolks at aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping phonographs Anyhting made after 1840 is not an antique, but is considered a collectible. Anything antique is usually referred to as an item hand made prior to 1840. A least for furniture this date is of signifigance due to the creation of the wire nail. Nails were hand wrought 1840 and prior. Also wood was being cut after 1840 with a circular saw and no longer by hand. So cars and phonographs are more or less collectibles rather than antiques. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Wright To: Phono L Sent: Sun, Jan 3, 2010 3:59 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping phonographs ntique is a moving target, and I think it always has been. Regarding its legal efinition for purposes of insurance claims against shipping damage, Rich is ight, it does need to be clearly stated, though I think 100 years is too many, ersonally. I've also found more than one source saying 100 years is the ypical consideration (none of which were wiki-related). Seems it's a bit like "unique", another word murdered by popular usage and eneral misunderstanding. There are no degrees of unique -- it means literally ne of its kind in all of existence. That one gets me worse than "antique" oes. Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are still o scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though in their outh they were anything but Luddite. From appywander at hotmail.com Fri Jan 8 02:30:42 2010 From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 05:30:42 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" In-Reply-To: <84F4436A8B084812BECD629B65ABD574@GER1> References: , , , , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, , <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, , <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , , , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com>, , , , <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com>, <8CC5AEA6C040DED-5368-5A933@webmail-m096.sysops.aol.com>, <84F4436A8B084812BECD629B65ABD574@GER1> Message-ID: ger, In my previous post on this subject I said that I had long-ago heard that the 100-year old rule of defining an 'antique' came from Federal tax code, and I think it probably comes from the importation rule to which you refer. As I also said in that post, dealers used to assiduously avoid calling an item an 'antique' unless it was demonstrably 100 years old. I don't know how many people on the board were into antiques 43 years ago, but I can assure you that back then, that was the way it was done. And ger, you are correct, phonographs were largely considered junk by the vast majority of dealers because they simply weren't old enough to be considered antique, and besides that, they were plentiful back then. I never used to look for phonos in the front rooms of antique shops -- I'd head straight to the back 'junk' rooms and there they'd be! re: pet peeves -- It bugs me when an eBay or Craigslist listing refers to a phonograph (or anything) as a "unit". "This unit works great." Also, "ones" . . . "This is one of the nicest ones I have ever seen" ("It doesn't look like the numeral one, it looks like a Victor VI to me," I'm thinking! Redundant, as well). And "guts", as in ". . . cabinet only, the guts have been removed". Are those really the best words they can come up with? "Specific is terrific," my third-grade teacher, Mes. Norlund, used to say when teaching us how to write. It took me a moment to figure out what "EAPG" meant right out of the barrel like that, but, the context and recalling what you had previously posted allowed me to figure it out pretty quickly. Mrs. Norlund also used to tell us, "Write like the reader doesn't know anything about what you are writing about." BTW, it is spelled 'Sumerian', not "Sumarian". LOL! Sorry, just had to kid you a little there! > From: ger55 at comcast.net > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 02:05:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" > > For purposes of importation, the govt defined an "antique" as anything older than 100 years (an "antiquity" is much older, as in hundreds or thousands of years...Sumarian, ex.). This 100 years has been accepted for many moons as the definition of antique (everywhere except ebay, of course). I checked this definition on an official gov site at least 15 years ago. Obviously this involves a moving date of production. And I think that the 100-year mark is significant, because... > > Interest appears to take off when an invention/item is near its 100th anniversary. > > I noticed that EAPG (my main collectible) began to get popular 1930-ish, because EAPG was near the 100 year mark (first glass pressed in 1825), and people became more aware. > > Didn't the phonograph also take off on some type of "anniversary" of its creation?? How many of the collectors here became more earnest in the 1980's or 1990's when the phono was commercially about 100 years old? > > Since ebay's appearance, someone added the definition of "semi-antique" as anything being 50 years old...not exactly sure where that one came from...possibly the govt as well. Hmmmm I think we might have a few semi-antique collectors here. ;) > > Also, one of my pet peeves: using the word "vintage" to mean something really "old." Vintage has to have a year or some reference to a time period added to it, as in "vintage 1893," or "Depression vintage," or even "vintage 1993." > Just my 2 cents worth. ;) > > Ger > PS: In my experience, particularly online watching chat groups, our younguns ain't so hot on grammar OR spelling. It used to drive me nuts. But now "your" being used for "you're" is becoming common, even in ads on tv! Who's to blame...or should I use a youngun's "whose" since they don't seem to know the difference between those 2 words either. LOL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: phonofolks at aol.com > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping phonographs > > > Anyhting made after 1840 is not an antique, but is considered a collectible. Anything antique is usually referred to as an item hand made prior to 1840. A least for furniture this date is of signifigance due to the creation of the wire nail. Nails were hand wrought 1840 and prior. Also wood was being cut after 1840 with a circular saw and no longer by hand. So cars and phonographs are more or less collectibles rather than antiques. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Wright > To: Phono L > Sent: Sun, Jan 3, 2010 3:59 pm > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping phonographs > > > > ntique is a moving target, and I think it always has been. Regarding its legal > efinition for purposes of insurance claims against shipping damage, Rich is > ight, it does need to be clearly stated, though I think 100 years is too many, > ersonally. I've also found more than one source saying 100 years is the > ypical consideration (none of which were wiki-related). > Seems it's a bit like "unique", another word murdered by popular usage and > eneral misunderstanding. There are no degrees of unique -- it means literally > ne of its kind in all of existence. That one gets me worse than "antique" > oes. > Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are still > o scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though in their > outh they were anything but Luddite. > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From zuccawt at comcast.net Fri Jan 8 07:06:27 2010 From: zuccawt at comcast.net (zuccawt at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Seeburg Audiophone Message-ID: <1078796278.6601671262963187240.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Dear Phonolist members: For quite a while I have been keen to own a Seeburg Audiophone or Audiophone Jr. If anyone knows of a machine that might be available to a good home, please let me know. BillZ PS: BTW, I am not interested in refinancing my house to buy one. From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 10:00:33 2010 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:00:33 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii In-Reply-To: <001001ca9016$aece0ce0$0a00a8c0@Jim> References: <93F4A19F9DBF49D58EE71B5681746246@owner094cc0223> <2CA46858-5B9E-4C22-AEA0-36006DF7600B@mac.com> <001001ca9016$aece0ce0$0a00a8c0@Jim> Message-ID: <4b4772c9.101abc0a.4a4e.71dc@mx.google.com> I find the Victor Victrola page (on line) to be a most valuable resource for pricing, dating, or just about anything involving a Victor product. Jay -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim K Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:57 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii Im curious as to value range as well. Anyone have a ballpark figure? Jim www.phono-phixer.com www.wimaps.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fraser" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii > I've come across one locally and am not interested myself, but if you > are, please drop me a line. I'm near SF. > > What's the value range for these nowadays? > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- Peter > pjfraser at mac.com > > On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Robin & Joan Rolfs wrote: > >> BlankGreetings and Happy New Year 2010, >> >> Bill Hodges had an inquiry regarding a Nipper item he is listing on >> e-bay. With the help of my Nipper friend, we solved the mystery of what >> the Nipper item is. The item is listed on e-bay (item 300383123497 ) >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300383123497&ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT >> >> It is a dog and gramophone figure and my Nipper friend, Barbara Regan >> solved the mystery of what it is. >> >> The item is the top of the radio on page 3-90 of our Nipper Collectibles >> book. >> >> The only reason she knew that it was the top piece of the radio is >> because she has the whole radio. Actually, it's in 3 pieces. The top >> piece is the dog and gramophone on the red vinyl, the second piece is an >> insert which is a little red fabric-covered dish that you could put >> coins or other small items in and the bottom is where the actual parts >> of the transistor radio are. She didn't think anyone would realize it >> unless they actually owned the piece. She just thought the dog and >> gramophone on red looked familiar and finally found the radio. Bill >> wrote us in regard to the item and we did not recognize the item, but >> thanks to Barbara the Nipper mystery is solved. >> >> I am sure Bill will be changing the description of the item on e-bay to >> inform buyers of what the item actually is. >> >> Happy New Year, Happy Nipper Collecting, and looking forward to Orlando >> and a great time with phono friends. >> >> Robin & Joan Rolfs >> Visit us at: >> www.audioantique.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.128/2604 - Release Date: 01/07/10 11:35:00 From cenfin at comcast.net Fri Jan 8 11:24:22 2010 From: cenfin at comcast.net (Albert) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:24:22 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii References: <93F4A19F9DBF49D58EE71B5681746246@owner094cc0223> <2CA46858-5B9E-4C22-AEA0-36006DF7600B@mac.com><001001ca9016$aece0ce0$0a00a8c0@Jim> <4b4772c9.101abc0a.4a4e.71dc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001201ca9098$35997a80$7501a8c0@Albert> Jay, what is the name of the websight? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Horenstein" To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii >I find the Victor Victrola page (on line) to be a most valuable resource >for > pricing, dating, or just about anything > involving a Victor product. > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] > On > Behalf Of Jim K > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:57 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii > > Im curious as to value range as well. Anyone have a ballpark figure? > > Jim > www.phono-phixer.com > www.wimaps.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Fraser" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:07 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii > > >> I've come across one locally and am not interested myself, but if you >> are, please drop me a line. I'm near SF. >> >> What's the value range for these nowadays? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- Peter >> pjfraser at mac.com >> >> On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Robin & Joan Rolfs >> wrote: >> >>> BlankGreetings and Happy New Year 2010, >>> >>> Bill Hodges had an inquiry regarding a Nipper item he is listing on >>> e-bay. With the help of my Nipper friend, we solved the mystery of >>> what > >>> the Nipper item is. The item is listed on e-bay (item 300383123497 ) >>> >>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300383123497&ssPageName=S > TRK:MEWAX:IT >>> >>> It is a dog and gramophone figure and my Nipper friend, Barbara Regan >>> solved the mystery of what it is. >>> >>> The item is the top of the radio on page 3-90 of our Nipper >>> Collectibles > >>> book. >>> >>> The only reason she knew that it was the top piece of the radio is >>> because she has the whole radio. Actually, it's in 3 pieces. The top >>> piece is the dog and gramophone on the red vinyl, the second piece is >>> an > >>> insert which is a little red fabric-covered dish that you could put >>> coins or other small items in and the bottom is where the actual parts >>> of the transistor radio are. She didn't think anyone would realize it >>> unless they actually owned the piece. She just thought the dog and >>> gramophone on red looked familiar and finally found the radio. Bill >>> wrote us in regard to the item and we did not recognize the item, but >>> thanks to Barbara the Nipper mystery is solved. >>> >>> I am sure Bill will be changing the description of the item on e-bay to >>> inform buyers of what the item actually is. >>> >>> Happy New Year, Happy Nipper Collecting, and looking forward to Orlando >>> and a great time with phono friends. >>> >>> Robin & Joan Rolfs >>> Visit us at: >>> www.audioantique.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.128/2604 - Release Date: > 01/07/10 > 11:35:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From appywander at hotmail.com Fri Jan 8 13:19:37 2010 From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:19:37 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii In-Reply-To: <001201ca9098$35997a80$7501a8c0@Albert> References: <93F4A19F9DBF49D58EE71B5681746246@owner094cc0223> <2CA46858-5B9E-4C22-AEA0-36006DF7600B@mac.com><001001ca9016$aece0ce0$0a00a8c0@Jim>, <4b4772c9.101abc0a.4a4e.71dc@mx.google.com>, <001201ca9098$35997a80$7501a8c0@Albert> Message-ID: www.victor-victrola.com > From: cenfin at comcast.net > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:24:22 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii > > Jay, what is the name of the websight? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Horenstein" > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii > > > >I find the Victor Victrola page (on line) to be a most valuable resource > >for > > pricing, dating, or just about anything > > involving a Victor product. > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] > > On > > Behalf Of Jim K > > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:57 PM > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii > > > > Im curious as to value range as well. Anyone have a ballpark figure? > > > > Jim > > www.phono-phixer.com > > www.wimaps.org > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Fraser" > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:07 PM > > Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii > > > > > >> I've come across one locally and am not interested myself, but if you > >> are, please drop me a line. I'm near SF. > >> > >> What's the value range for these nowadays? > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> -- Peter > >> pjfraser at mac.com > >> > >> On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Robin & Joan Rolfs > >> wrote: > >> > >>> BlankGreetings and Happy New Year 2010, > >>> > >>> Bill Hodges had an inquiry regarding a Nipper item he is listing on > >>> e-bay. With the help of my Nipper friend, we solved the mystery of > >>> what > > > >>> the Nipper item is. The item is listed on e-bay (item 300383123497 ) > >>> > >>> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300383123497&ssPageName=S > > TRK:MEWAX:IT > >>> > >>> It is a dog and gramophone figure and my Nipper friend, Barbara Regan > >>> solved the mystery of what it is. > >>> > >>> The item is the top of the radio on page 3-90 of our Nipper > >>> Collectibles > > > >>> book. > >>> > >>> The only reason she knew that it was the top piece of the radio is > >>> because she has the whole radio. Actually, it's in 3 pieces. The top > >>> piece is the dog and gramophone on the red vinyl, the second piece is > >>> an > > > >>> insert which is a little red fabric-covered dish that you could put > >>> coins or other small items in and the bottom is where the actual parts > >>> of the transistor radio are. She didn't think anyone would realize it > >>> unless they actually owned the piece. She just thought the dog and > >>> gramophone on red looked familiar and finally found the radio. Bill > >>> wrote us in regard to the item and we did not recognize the item, but > >>> thanks to Barbara the Nipper mystery is solved. > >>> > >>> I am sure Bill will be changing the description of the item on e-bay to > >>> inform buyers of what the item actually is. > >>> > >>> Happy New Year, Happy Nipper Collecting, and looking forward to Orlando > >>> and a great time with phono friends. > >>> > >>> Robin & Joan Rolfs > >>> Visit us at: > >>> www.audioantique.com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Phono-L mailing list > >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.128/2604 - Release Date: > > 01/07/10 > > 11:35:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 13:40:06 2010 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:40:06 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii In-Reply-To: <001201ca9098$35997a80$7501a8c0@Albert> References: <93F4A19F9DBF49D58EE71B5681746246@owner094cc0223> <2CA46858-5B9E-4C22-AEA0-36006DF7600B@mac.com><001001ca9016$aece0ce0$0a00a8c0@Jim> <4b4772c9.101abc0a.4a4e.71dc@mx.google.com> <001201ca9098$35997a80$7501a8c0@Albert> Message-ID: <4b47a63c.e402be0a.7dfd.1dfe@mx.google.com> It's called The Victor-Victrola Page, www.victor-victrola.com -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Albert Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:24 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii Jay, what is the name of the websight? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Horenstein" To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii >I find the Victor Victrola page (on line) to be a most valuable resource >for > pricing, dating, or just about anything > involving a Victor product. > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] > On > Behalf Of Jim K > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:57 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii > > Im curious as to value range as well. Anyone have a ballpark figure? > > Jim > www.phono-phixer.com > www.wimaps.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Fraser" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:07 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii > > >> I've come across one locally and am not interested myself, but if you >> are, please drop me a line. I'm near SF. >> >> What's the value range for these nowadays? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- Peter >> pjfraser at mac.com >> >> On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Robin & Joan Rolfs >> wrote: >> >>> BlankGreetings and Happy New Year 2010, >>> >>> Bill Hodges had an inquiry regarding a Nipper item he is listing on >>> e-bay. With the help of my Nipper friend, we solved the mystery of >>> what > >>> the Nipper item is. The item is listed on e-bay (item 300383123497 ) >>> >>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300383123497&ssPageName=S > TRK:MEWAX:IT >>> >>> It is a dog and gramophone figure and my Nipper friend, Barbara Regan >>> solved the mystery of what it is. >>> >>> The item is the top of the radio on page 3-90 of our Nipper >>> Collectibles > >>> book. >>> >>> The only reason she knew that it was the top piece of the radio is >>> because she has the whole radio. Actually, it's in 3 pieces. The top >>> piece is the dog and gramophone on the red vinyl, the second piece is >>> an > >>> insert which is a little red fabric-covered dish that you could put >>> coins or other small items in and the bottom is where the actual parts >>> of the transistor radio are. She didn't think anyone would realize it >>> unless they actually owned the piece. She just thought the dog and >>> gramophone on red looked familiar and finally found the radio. Bill >>> wrote us in regard to the item and we did not recognize the item, but >>> thanks to Barbara the Nipper mystery is solved. >>> >>> I am sure Bill will be changing the description of the item on e-bay to >>> inform buyers of what the item actually is. >>> >>> Happy New Year, Happy Nipper Collecting, and looking forward to Orlando >>> and a great time with phono friends. >>> >>> Robin & Joan Rolfs >>> Visit us at: >>> www.audioantique.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.128/2604 - Release Date: > 01/07/10 > 11:35:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.130/2607 - Release Date: 01/07/10 23:35:00 From phonofolks at aol.com Fri Jan 8 14:37:24 2010 From: phonofolks at aol.com (phonofolks at aol.com) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:37:24 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, , <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, , <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , , , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com>, , , , <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com>, <8CC5AEA6C040DED-5368-5A933@webmail-m096.sysops.aol.com>, <84F4436A8B084812BECD629B65ABD574@GER1> Message-ID: <8CC5ECA488D3E56-5D14-8E1A@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> The federal tax code definiton of antique is used for the purpose of the US government tax code for use of taxes only. If you reach out into the antique community and speak to the experts, including authors, antique dealers, who deal with the period antiques, antiques are considered by the trade items that are much older than 100 years old, again the time period of 1840 as cited in my explanation below. I am not trying to diminish the the true nature of our hobby, but items and products made after 1840, again according to the trade, are considered collectibles. The government is stretching the term "antiques" for the purposes of taxes which for the dealer can be used to their advantage. -----Original Message----- From: John Maeder To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 5:30 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" er, In my previous post on this subject I said that I had long-ago heard that the 00-year old rule of defining an 'antique' came from Federal tax code, and I hink it probably comes from the importation rule to which you refer. As I also aid in that post, dealers used to assiduously avoid calling an item an antique' unless it was demonstrably 100 years old. I don't know how many eople on the board were into antiques 43 years ago, but I can assure you that ack then, that was the way it was done. And ger, you are correct, phonographs ere largely considered junk by the vast majority of dealers because they simply eren't old enough to be considered antique, and besides that, they were lentiful back then. I never used to look for phonos in the front rooms of ntique shops -- I'd head straight to the back 'junk' rooms and there they'd be! re: pet peeves -- It bugs me when an eBay or Craigslist listing refers to a honograph (or anything) as a "unit". "This unit works great." Also, "ones" . . "This is one of the nicest ones I have ever seen" ("It doesn't look like the umeral one, it looks like a Victor VI to me," I'm thinking! Redundant, as ell). And "guts", as in ". . . cabinet only, the guts have been removed". Are hose really the best words they can come up with? "Specific is terrific," my hird-grade teacher, Mes. Norlund, used to say when teaching us how to write. It took me a moment to figure out what "EAPG" meant right out of the barrel like hat, but, the context and recalling what you had previously posted allowed me o figure it out pretty quickly. Mrs. Norlund also used to tell us, "Write like he reader doesn't know anything about what you are writing about." BTW, it is pelled 'Sumerian', not "Sumarian". LOL! Sorry, just had to kid you a little here! > From: ger55 at comcast.net To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 02:05:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" For purposes of importation, the govt defined an "antique" as anything older han 100 years (an "antiquity" is much older, as in hundreds or thousands of ears...Sumarian, ex.). This 100 years has been accepted for many moons as the efinition of antique (everywhere except ebay, of course). I checked this efinition on an official gov site at least 15 years ago. Obviously this nvolves a moving date of production. And I think that the 100-year mark is ignificant, because... Interest appears to take off when an invention/item is near its 100th nniversary. I noticed that EAPG (my main collectible) began to get popular 1930-ish, ecause EAPG was near the 100 year mark (first glass pressed in 1825), and eople became more aware. Didn't the phonograph also take off on some type of "anniversary" of its reation?? How many of the collectors here became more earnest in the 1980's or 990's when the phono was commercially about 100 years old? Since ebay's appearance, someone added the definition of "semi-antique" as nything being 50 years old...not exactly sure where that one came rom...possibly the govt as well. Hmmmm I think we might have a few semi-antique ollectors here. ;) Also, one of my pet peeves: using the word "vintage" to mean something really old." Vintage has to have a year or some reference to a time period added to t, as in "vintage 1893," or "Depression vintage," or even "vintage 1993." Just my 2 cents worth. ;) Ger PS: In my experience, particularly online watching chat groups, our younguns in't so hot on grammar OR spelling. It used to drive me nuts. But now "your" eing used for "you're" is becoming common, even in ads on tv! Who's to lame...or should I use a youngun's "whose" since they don't seem to know the ifference between those 2 words either. LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: phonofolks at aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping honographs Anyhting made after 1840 is not an antique, but is considered a collectible. nything antique is usually referred to as an item hand made prior to 1840. A east for furniture this date is of signifigance due to the creation of the wire ail. Nails were hand wrought 1840 and prior. Also wood was being cut after 1840 ith a circular saw and no longer by hand. So cars and phonographs are more or ess collectibles rather than antiques. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Wright To: Phono L Sent: Sun, Jan 3, 2010 3:59 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" - was Re: Shipping honographs ntique is a moving target, and I think it always has been. Regarding its egal efinition for purposes of insurance claims against shipping damage, Rich is ight, it does need to be clearly stated, though I think 100 years is too any, ersonally. I've also found more than one source saying 100 years is the ypical consideration (none of which were wiki-related). Seems it's a bit like "unique", another word murdered by popular usage and eneral misunderstanding. There are no degrees of unique -- it means iterally ne of its kind in all of existence. That one gets me worse than "antique" oes. Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are till o scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though in their > outh they were anything but Luddite. _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Sat Jan 9 18:04:50 2010 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:04:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Wanted: Model C reproducer box Message-ID: <906376.98435.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello All Does anybody have a Model C reproducer box they can spare? Doesn't have to be perfect. I have a nice Triumph model B with the 2/4 conversion, an original Triumph morning glory and crane, and a box for the Model H. I'd like to complete it with a Model C box and a chip brush, if anyone has one of those too. I had one but can't locate it... it looks sort of like a paintbrush, about 2" wide with black bristles. The one I have/had has a dark reddish brown flat wooden handle. All help/leads appreciated! John Robles From ger55 at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 15:51:30 2010 From: ger55 at comcast.net (ger) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:51:30 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" References: , , , , , , <1009E96F4C1242A1AFD338443C184984@SonyVAIO>, , <4B3F7633.3090607@mediaguide.com>, , <1BE4719B-5A89-4A69-B6AB-064A00298D66@mac.com>, , <4B3FBA0F.8090901@octoxol.com>, , , , , , <4B401B0F.9000301@octoxol.com>, , , , <9D2CE9DE-D0E0-4094-9E08-85F14F60F030@mac.com>, <8CC5AEA6C040DED-5368-5A933@webmail-m096.sysops.aol.com>, <84F4436A8B084812BECD629B65ABD574@GER1> Message-ID: :)) Early American Pattern Glass (EAPG). In a few years it will become 200 years old (2025-ish)...yikes. Hopefully this BIG anniversary will bring out more interested folks! And...hopefully I will be around to see it. LOL No matter how one defines "antique," 100 year anniversaries DO count. :) Ger ger55 on ebay; ger55 at comcast.net Victorian Glass Plus! http://www.tias.com/stores/vgpp http://groups.yahoo.com/group/glass_antique_and_old/ ----- Original Message ----- From: John Maeder To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 5:30 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" ger, In my previous post on this subject I said that I had long-ago heard that the 100-year old rule of defining an 'antique' came from Federal tax code, and I think it probably comes from the importation rule to which you refer. As I also said in that post, dealers used to assiduously avoid calling an item an 'antique' unless it was demonstrably 100 years old. I don't know how many people on the board were into antiques 43 years ago, but I can assure you that back then, that was the way it was done. And ger, you are correct, phonographs were largely considered junk by the vast majority of dealers because they simply weren't old enough to be considered antique, and besides that, they were plentiful back then. I never used to look for phonos in the front rooms of antique shops -- I'd head straight to the back 'junk' rooms and there they'd be! re: pet peeves -- It bugs me when an eBay or Craigslist listing refers to a phonograph (or anything) as a "unit". "This unit works great." Also, "ones" . . . "This is one of the nicest ones I have ever seen" ("It doesn't look like the numeral one, it looks like a Victor VI to me," I'm thinking! Redundant, as well). And "guts", as in ". . . cabinet only, the guts have been removed". Are those really the best words they can come up with? "Specific is terrific," my third-grade teacher, Mes. Norlund, used to say when teaching us how to write. It took me a moment to figure out what "EAPG" meant right out of the barrel like that, but, the context and recalling what you had previously posted allowed me to figure it out pretty quickly. Mrs. Norlund also used to tell us, "Write like the reader doesn't know anything about what you are writing about." BTW, it is spelled 'Sumerian', not "Sumarian". LOL! Sorry, just had to kid you a little there! > From: ger55 at comcast.net > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 02:05:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] definition of "antique" > > For purposes of importation, the govt defined an "antique" as anything older than 100 years (an "antiquity" is much older, as in hundreds or thousands of years...Sumarian, ex.). This 100 years has been accepted for many moons as the definition of antique (everywhere except ebay, of course). I checked this definition on an official gov site at least 15 years ago. Obviously this involves a moving date of production. And I think that the 100-year mark is significant, because... > > Interest appears to take off when an invention/item is near its 100th anniversary. From klinger at modex.com Mon Jan 11 17:46:54 2010 From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:46:54 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Conference Travel Grants -- Call for Applications 2010 Message-ID: <11816174F91D44FFA4330CAF04424E4F@WEKDesktop> The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click on the link or e-mail address below. --- ARSC CONFERENCE TRAVEL GRANTS --- Application Deadline: February 12, 2010 The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is now accepting applications for ARSC Conference Travel Grants to be awarded in 2010. The grants are designed to: -- encourage ARSC members to attend their first ARSC conference -- reach out to college students and professionals in the early stages of their careers -- promote mentoring and professional development opportunities -- advance scholarly research and publication -- support ARSC members who desire to participate more actively in the association. Grant recipients are awarded: -- complimentary registration for the entire ARSC Annual Conference -- gratis registration for the Pre-Conference Workshop, and -- reimbursement up to US$750 to defray the expenses of transportation and lodging (upon approval of valid receipts, to be submitted after the conference). At the time of application, the applicant must be a member of ARSC in good standing, planning to attend his or her first ARSC conference. The applicant must also be one of the following: -- a college or university student aspiring to work with sound recordings -- a recent graduate seeking a professional position involving sound recordings -- a professional within the first five years of his or her career, who has demonstrated a dedication to sound recordings -- a researcher or discographer showing compelling prospects for the publication or dissemination of his or her scholarly work. Each applicant must submit: -- a letter of application describing the applicant's background and current activities, clearly indicating why the applicant merits consideration for an ARSC Conference Travel Grant -- a proposed budget for travel costs -- an itemization of any non-ARSC funds that the applicant may receive toward ARSC conference attendance, such as institutional support, etc. -- a brief resume or curriculum vitae, and -- two letters of support, sent separately. The letter of application and supporting materials must be received by February 12, 2010. Send them by mail or e-mail to: Louise Spear, ARSC Conference Travel Grant Committee American Musical and Dramatic Academy 6305 Yucca Street Los Angeles, CA 90028 LSpear at ucla.edu For more information, visit: http://www.arsc-audio.org/grants-committee.html or e-mail: LSpear at ucla.edu Applicants will be notified about the award decisions by March 12, 2010. The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals -- everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound. From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 09:39:31 2010 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Carola on Ebay - Beware Message-ID: <354754828.10025361263317971213.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230422334991&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123 This little upright, was probably one of the smallest and cheapest (sold for $15.00 in 1916) ever made. The seller describes it as inoperable, with the crank missing and a loose turntable. What is not included in the description is that the entire motor is Missing !! Not the turntable is resting flat against the metal, and there is no spindle !! I asked the seller that question and he has confirmed it !! So if you see this and have an interest be aware that there is no motor. Bruce From rvuill at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 10:44:44 2010 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:44:44 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph Message-ID: <1A01EC5239F34AC49F320D0B74517B9C@HPPC> Take a look at eBay item #70514114746 . Anyone know if this is an old piece or a modern item? From rvuill at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 10:46:25 2010 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:46:25 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph Message-ID: <10CFF769CE274E8993848D28AAB4671E@HPPC> Sorry I got the item # wrong . The correct number is 270514114746. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: Phono L List Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Violin phonograph Take a look at eBay item #70514114746 . Anyone know if this is an old piece or a modern item? From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 10:49:47 2010 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph In-Reply-To: <1A01EC5239F34AC49F320D0B74517B9C@HPPC> Message-ID: <1304650939.10057091263322187543.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Are you sure the item number is correct, I just searched for it and it came up No longer available. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: "Phono L List" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph Take a look at eBay item #70514114746 . Anyone know if this is an old piece or a modern item? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From tomj33 at msn.com Tue Jan 12 10:56:33 2010 From: tomj33 at msn.com (Tom Jordan) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:56:33 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph In-Reply-To: <1304650939.10057091263322187543.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1A01EC5239F34AC49F320D0B74517B9C@HPPC> <1304650939.10057091263322187543.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: It came up for me. I would think that the weight of the violin would shred the records played on it. It looks like a "Creation" to me. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78rpm at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:50 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph Are you sure the item number is correct, I just searched for it and it came up No longer available. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: "Phono L List" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph Take a look at eBay item #70514114746 . Anyone know if this is an old piece or a modern item? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From barry at barrykasindorf.com Tue Jan 12 10:53:15 2010 From: barry at barrykasindorf.com (Barry Kasindorf) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:53:15 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph In-Reply-To: <1304650939.10057091263322187543.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1A01EC5239F34AC49F320D0B74517B9C@HPPC> <1304650939.10057091263322187543.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: This was for sale on Ebay a month or so ago. There was a debate if it was a crapaphone or really old. -Barry On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:49 PM, wrote: > Are you sure the item number is correct, I just searched for it and it came > up No longer available. > > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob" > To: "Phono L List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph > > Take a look at eBay item #70514114746 . Anyone know if this is an old piece > or a modern item? > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > -- -Barry From allenamet at aol.com Tue Jan 12 11:00:48 2010 From: allenamet at aol.com (allenamet at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:00:48 EST Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph Message-ID: <5198.4a9047c6.387e20e0@aol.com> In a message dated 1/12/2010 1:58:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tomj33 at msn.com writes: It came up for me. I would think that the weight of the violin would shred the records played on it. It looks like a "Creation" to me. ---------------- But the 'Palmodian' was an invented item and got a write-up in PHP. It was patented both in England and in the US. It was anticipated by Emile Berliner. Allen From cenfin at comcast.net Tue Jan 12 11:30:09 2010 From: cenfin at comcast.net (Albert) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:30:09 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor One for sale Message-ID: <20100112193748.22670325BD9@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> I have a very nice untouched Victor I for sale. Original Brass bell horn. $950.00 Offering it to Phono L before listing . If interested contact Al Menashe cenfin at comcast.net. From tomj33 at msn.com Tue Jan 12 11:37:27 2010 From: tomj33 at msn.com (Tom Jordan) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:37:27 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph In-Reply-To: <5198.4a9047c6.387e20e0@aol.com> References: <5198.4a9047c6.387e20e0@aol.com> Message-ID: Was the idea that the violin body would resonate and produce a better sound? -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of allenamet at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:01 PM To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph In a message dated 1/12/2010 1:58:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tomj33 at msn.com writes: It came up for me. I would think that the weight of the violin would shred the records played on it. It looks like a "Creation" to me. ---------------- But the 'Palmodian' was an invented item and got a write-up in PHP. It was patented both in England and in the US. It was anticipated by Emile Berliner. Allen _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From andersun at tampabay.rr.com Tue Jan 12 11:47:51 2010 From: andersun at tampabay.rr.com (Steve Andersen) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:47:51 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph In-Reply-To: References: <5198.4a9047c6.387e20e0@aol.com> Message-ID: If a company made this for mass production, wouldn't they leave the strings, neck and tuners off of it? My opinion is that it is a cobble job. On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Tom Jordan wrote: > Was the idea that the violin body would resonate and produce a better sound? > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of allenamet at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:01 PM > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph > > > In a message dated 1/12/2010 1:58:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > tomj33 at msn.com writes: > > It came up for me. I would think that the weight of the violin would > shred > the records played on it. It looks like a "Creation" to me. > > > ---------------- > But the 'Palmodian' was an invented item and got a write-up in PHP. > It was patented both in England and in the US. It was anticipated by Emile > Berliner. > > Allen > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From allenamet at aol.com Tue Jan 12 12:00:54 2010 From: allenamet at aol.com (allenamet at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:00:54 EST Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph Message-ID: <6d95.4c68789.387e2ef6@aol.com> In a message dated 1/12/2010 2:41:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tomj33 at msn.com writes: Was the idea that the violin body would resonate and produce a better sound? -------------- According to the re-issued Berliner Gramophone Co. Instructions (p. 8) from June 1, 1896, "a violin or similar instrument will render the sound very loud." Within a few years, there were several such patents (for full "violin reproducers"). Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) From allenamet at aol.com Tue Jan 12 12:21:34 2010 From: allenamet at aol.com (allenamet at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:21:34 EST Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph Message-ID: <77cc.640869b7.387e33ce@aol.com> In a message dated 1/12/2010 3:05:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, andersun at tampabay.rr.com writes: If a company made this for mass production, wouldn't they leave the strings , neck and tuners off of it? My opinion is that it is a cobble job. ------------------- To see how the actual violin was used (as intended), see the following patents and illustrations (info from PHP): "(cf. H. O. Buffet's Brit. pat. # 2160 & 3015/ of 1913). An intermediate patent of the same type, issued to W. H. Dessureau on May 24, 1910, further enhanced its use (US 959,318)." One will note that two possible configurations existed, one where the stylus was on the string side of the violin, one where it was mounted on the back. An excellent article on these (w/photos) appeared in the Calif CAPS Magazine. Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) From allenamet at aol.com Tue Jan 12 14:21:48 2010 From: allenamet at aol.com (allenamet at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:21:48 EST Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph Message-ID: In a message dated 1/12/2010 3:21:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, allenamet at aol.com writes: (see below) To see how the actual violin was used (as intended), see the following patents and illustrations (info from PHP): "(cf. H. O. Buffet's Brit. pat. # 2160 & 3015/ of 1913). An intermediate patent of the same type, issued to W. H. Dessureau on May 24, 1910, further enhanced its use (US 959,318)." One will note that two possible configurations existed, one where the stylus was on the string side of the violin, one where it was mounted on the back. An excellent article on these (w/photos) appeared in the Calif CAPS Magazine. --------------- I did not mean to imply that the current violin on ebay is THE original. See the actual patents. But when manufactured they did look like actual violins, etc. Allen From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 14:29:13 2010 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:29:13 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Carola on Ebay - Beware In-Reply-To: <354754828.10025361263317971213.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <354754828.10025361263317971213.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4b4cf7bf.9613f30a.2573.28e6@mx.google.com> Thanks! I WAS thinking about it. Jay -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78rpm at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:40 AM To: Phono-L Cc: Phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Carola on Ebay - Beware http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230422334991&ssPageName=A DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 This little upright, was probably one of the smallest and cheapest (sold for $15.00 in 1916) ever made. The seller describes it as inoperable, with the crank missing and a loose turntable. What is not included in the description is that the entire motor is Missing !! Not the turntable is resting flat against the metal, and there is no spindle !! I asked the seller that question and he has confirmed it !! So if you see this and have an interest be aware that there is no motor. Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.136/2616 - Release Date: 01/11/10 23:35:00 From john9ten at pacbell.net Tue Jan 12 18:44:00 2010 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:44:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph In-Reply-To: <1A01EC5239F34AC49F320D0B74517B9C@HPPC> References: <1A01EC5239F34AC49F320D0B74517B9C@HPPC> Message-ID: <906221.47898.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just now looked but the item is gone. Did it end? ________________________________ From: Bob To: Phono L List Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 10:44:44 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph Take a look at eBay item #70514114746 . Anyone know if this is an old piece or a modern item? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From aph4990 at aol.com Tue Jan 12 22:19:17 2010 From: aph4990 at aol.com (aph4990 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 01:19:17 EST Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph Message-ID: <1e24a.2fdf3c5d.387ebfe5@aol.com> Was the idea that the violin body would resonate and produce a better sound? This was an effort to create a machine which would eliminate part or all of the familiar reproducing features of the talking machines of 1912 or 1913. This is described in a chapter on "Sonorous Bodies" in a 1917 book by Lloyd Macfarlane. The invention of H. Buffet carried vibrations to the wooden body of the violin but actually had a diaphragm actuated by a sapphire stylus and played vertical (Pathe) records. The phonograph on eBay was actually offered in Sept. 2009 and was won by "someone" and, of course, eBay no longer will reveal who this was. Now, magically, the SAME machine is being offered for sale by the SAME seller. Guess who made the winning bid in Sept.!!!! I've discussed this at length with Rene Rondeau, Ray Phillips (who has made reproductions of this machine) and others...and the conclusion has been that this is not an original Palmodian as created by H. Buffet but is a copy. The label has a crazy plastic cover on it. The diaphragm has a wooden rim around it and the originals were metal. The crank does not look right for a machine of that vintage. Now, given all that information, I personally still feel that this machine looks quite well made for a copy. But be careful if you are considering a bid on this machine. This seems to be a good eBay teaching case! ----Art Heller From backden at yahoo.com Wed Jan 13 08:28:53 2010 From: backden at yahoo.com (Dennis Back) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:28:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph In-Reply-To: <1e24a.2fdf3c5d.387ebfe5@aol.com> Message-ID: <24602.2919.qm@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 1/13/10, aph4990 at aol.com wrote: ?I personally still feel that this machine looks quite well? made for a copy.? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Having not seen any pictures of an authentic version, I too, was still thinking that parts of this machine were not original. Did anyone notice the faint outline of a chin rest on the left rear of the violin top?? I would think that the violin was a replacement with someone removing the chin rest. Dennis From esroberto at hotmail.com Wed Jan 13 11:04:20 2010 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:04:20 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph In-Reply-To: <24602.2919.qm@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1e24a.2fdf3c5d.387ebfe5@aol.com>, <24602.2919.qm@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not that the pictures are too revealing, nor my distant memory, but the only machines I've ever seen like this one looked exactly the same as this. > Having not seen any pictures of an authentic version, I too, was still thinking that parts of this machine were not original. > > Did anyone notice the faint outline of a chin rest on the left rear of the violin top? I would think that the violin was a replacement with someone removing the chin rest. > > Dennis _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ From aph4990 at aol.com Wed Jan 13 10:59:16 2010 From: aph4990 at aol.com (aph4990 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:59:16 EST Subject: [Phono-L] Violin phonograph Message-ID: <2c52b.67a434d6.387f7204@aol.com> In a message dated 1/13/10 10:37:31 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, backden at ya hoo.com writes: Having not seen any pictures of an authentic version, I too, was still thinking that parts of this machine were not original. Did anyone notice the faint outline of a chin rest on the left rear of the violin top? I would think that the violin was a replacement with someone removing the chin rest. Dennis Dennis, Look on page 144 of "A World of Antique Phonographs" by Fabrizio and Paul. There you will find an "authentic" model of the Palmodian. There are differences noted--but this, too, has no chin rest. It's easy to remove the chin rest but I'm not sure why this would make the violin a replacement for the "real" violin. Art Heller From chrisk33 at cox.net Thu Jan 14 12:26:52 2010 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (chrisk33 at cox.net) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:26:52 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] HMV Model 109 a Good Buy? Message-ID: <20100114152652.BDL6A.281299.imail@eastrmwml28> I just saw an HMV-109 at a sale. It looks to be in superb cosmetic condition and the nickel plating is very bright (although the auto start/stop mechanism doesn't seem to be hooked up right). The soundbox is black with a perforated cover like an Orthophonic one; it says "Electric [Itonia? in script] No. 5." They are asking $245 and this will go down for the next three days to 50% on the last day (but I don't want to let it get away if this is a good price). May I have some advice please? Thank you, Chris From glastris at comcast.net Thu Jan 14 14:49:54 2010 From: glastris at comcast.net (glastris at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] HMV Model 109 a Good Buy? In-Reply-To: <20100114152652.BDL6A.281299.imail@eastrmwml28> Message-ID: <308897554.10325691263509394858.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> That HMV is common and the soundbox is wrong. So wait and see if you can get it for less. George ----- Original Message ----- From: chrisk33 at cox.net To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] HMV Model 109 a Good Buy? I just saw an HMV-109 at a sale. It looks to be in superb cosmetic condition and the nickel plating is very bright (although the auto start/stop mechanism doesn't seem to be hooked up right). The soundbox is black with a perforated cover like an Orthophonic one; it says "Electric [Itonia? in script] No. 5." They are asking $245 and this will go down for the next three days to 50% on the last day (but I don't want to let it get away if this is a good price). May I have some advice please? Thank you, Chris _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From chrisk33 at cox.net Fri Jan 15 18:03:15 2010 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:03:15 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] VV-1-90 -- Available? Message-ID: <4B511E63.3020904@cox.net> I've decided the next phonograph I'm really looking for is a VV-1-90, the orthophonic table model. Does anyone have one for sale? What can I expect to have to pay for one? Chris From majesticrecord at snet.net Sun Jan 17 18:56:17 2010 From: majesticrecord at snet.net (Glenn Longwell) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:56:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <521572.25204.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> A few months back I had mentioned on this list that I bought a Crescent phonograph.? Besides a phonograph manufacturer they were a vertical cut record brand.? Their phonographs were equipped to play both vertical and lateral.? Talking with the granddaughter of the original owner she was fairly sure the machine was purchased in Rhode Island. ? Just recently said contacted me back to say she found a couple more records (no Crescents unfortunately) but there was a sleeve which I asked her to send me.??I have posted?the sleeve?here with a separate picture of the phonograph: ? www.majesticrecord.com/traverssleeve.htm ? This likely confirms that they did buy it in Pawtucket as the woman had originally guessed.? The record prices on it are pretty interesting as well as?citing 8 inch double sided records.? I wonder if these were Crescents, or Operaphones.? What I'm interested in knowing is whether the drawing of a phonograph is identifiable as a real phonograph.? It shows?a reproducer set up to play vertical records.? Can anyone identify it? ? Thanks, Glenn From lherault at bu.edu Sun Jan 17 20:09:36 2010 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:09:36 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing In-Reply-To: <521572.25204.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <521572.25204.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004301ca97f4$0cbd2fe0$26378fa0$@edu> I live the next town over to Attleboro, North Attleboro, MA. I'll have to see what is at 110 Union Street now, if the address even still exists. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:56 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing A few months back I had mentioned on this list that I bought a Crescent phonograph.? Besides a phonograph manufacturer they were a vertical cut record brand.? Their phonographs were equipped to play both vertical and lateral.? Talking with the granddaughter of the original owner she was fairly sure the machine was purchased in Rhode Island. ? Just recently said contacted me back to say she found a couple more records (no Crescents unfortunately) but there was a sleeve which I asked her to send me.??I have posted?the sleeve?here with a separate picture of the phonograph: ? www.majesticrecord.com/traverssleeve.htm ? This likely confirms that they did buy it in Pawtucket as the woman had originally guessed.? The record prices on it are pretty interesting as well as?citing 8 inch double sided records.? I wonder if these were Crescents, or Operaphones.? What I'm interested in knowing is whether the drawing of a phonograph is identifiable as a real phonograph.? It shows?a reproducer set up to play vertical records.? Can anyone identify it? ? Thanks, Glenn _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From zonophone2006 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 03:33:25 2010 From: zonophone2006 at aol.com (zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:33:25 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing In-Reply-To: <521572.25204.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC66492EBC4766-40DC-572E@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com> kurt nauck has them on her auction list on occassion i have about 5 they are interesting -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Longwell To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:56 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing A few months back I had mentioned on this list that I bought a Crescent phonograph. Besides a phonograph manufacturer they were a vertical cut record brand. Their phonographs were equipped to play both vertical and lateral. Talking with the granddaughter of the original owner she was fairly sure the machine was purchased in Rhode Island. Just recently said contacted me back to say she found a couple more records (no Crescents unfortunately) but there was a sleeve which I asked her to send me. I have posted the sleeve here with a separate picture of the phonograph: www.majesticrecord.com/traverssleeve.htm This likely confirms that they did buy it in Pawtucket as the woman had originally guessed. The record prices on it are pretty interesting as well as citing 8 inch double sided records. I wonder if these were Crescents, or Operaphones. What I'm interested in knowing is whether the drawing of a phonograph is identifiable as a real phonograph. It shows a reproducer set up to play vertical records. Can anyone identify it? Thanks, Glenn _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From majesticrecord at snet.net Mon Jan 18 04:12:05 2010 From: majesticrecord at snet.net (Glenn Longwell) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:12:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing In-Reply-To: <004301ca97f4$0cbd2fe0$26378fa0$@edu> Message-ID: <475253.40827.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I figured I'd hear from someone in MOCAPS with both Pawtucket and Attleboro mentioned on the sleeve!? I'm curious to hear what you find out. ? Glenn --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Ron L'Herault wrote: From: Ron L'Herault Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 4:09 AM I live the next town over to Attleboro, North Attleboro, MA.? I'll have to see what is at 110 Union Street now, if the address even still exists. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:56 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing A few months back I had mentioned on this list that I bought a Crescent phonograph.? Besides a phonograph manufacturer they were a vertical cut record brand.? Their phonographs were equipped to play both vertical and lateral.? Talking with the granddaughter of the original owner she was fairly sure the machine was purchased in Rhode Island. ? Just recently said contacted me back to say she found a couple more records (no Crescents unfortunately) but there was a sleeve which I asked her to send me.??I have posted?the sleeve?here with a separate picture of the phonograph: ? www.majesticrecord.com/traverssleeve.htm ? This likely confirms that they did buy it in Pawtucket as the woman had originally guessed.? The record prices on it are pretty interesting as well as?citing 8 inch double sided records.? I wonder if these were Crescents, or Operaphones.? What I'm interested in knowing is whether the drawing of a phonograph is identifiable as a real phonograph.? It shows?a reproducer set up to play vertical records.? Can anyone identify it? ? Thanks, Glenn _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Mon Jan 18 08:41:20 2010 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:41:20 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing In-Reply-To: <475253.40827.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <004301ca97f4$0cbd2fe0$26378fa0$@edu> <475253.40827.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003701ca985d$10a1a550$31e4eff0$@edu> If I were more familiar with the streets in Pawtucket, I'd go looking for the site. That city is full of one-ways and is chopped up by route 95. Combine that with RI poor signage (It assumes you know where you are and where you are going) and it is a nightmare to drive around Pawtucket. Attleboro is no problem. Ron -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:12 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing I figured I'd hear from someone in MOCAPS with both Pawtucket and Attleboro mentioned on the sleeve!? I'm curious to hear what you find out. ? Glenn --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Ron L'Herault wrote: From: Ron L'Herault Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 4:09 AM I live the next town over to Attleboro, North Attleboro, MA.? I'll have to see what is at 110 Union Street now, if the address even still exists. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:56 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing A few months back I had mentioned on this list that I bought a Crescent phonograph.? Besides a phonograph manufacturer they were a vertical cut record brand.? Their phonographs were equipped to play both vertical and lateral.? Talking with the granddaughter of the original owner she was fairly sure the machine was purchased in Rhode Island. ? Just recently said contacted me back to say she found a couple more records (no Crescents unfortunately) but there was a sleeve which I asked her to send me.??I have posted?the sleeve?here with a separate picture of the phonograph: ? www.majesticrecord.com/traverssleeve.htm ? This likely confirms that they did buy it in Pawtucket as the woman had originally guessed.? The record prices on it are pretty interesting as well as?citing 8 inch double sided records.? I wonder if these were Crescents, or Operaphones.? What I'm interested in knowing is whether the drawing of a phonograph is identifiable as a real phonograph.? It shows?a reproducer set up to play vertical records.? Can anyone identify it? ? Thanks, Glenn _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jnichol at fuse.net Mon Jan 18 14:28:16 2010 From: jnichol at fuse.net (Jim Nichol) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:28:16 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing In-Reply-To: <003701ca985d$10a1a550$31e4eff0$@edu> References: <004301ca97f4$0cbd2fe0$26378fa0$@edu> <475253.40827.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <003701ca985d$10a1a550$31e4eff0$@edu> Message-ID: You guys know that you can look at photos of buildings and houses on Google Maps Street View, or Bing.com, right? I just looked at both sites. Jim On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Ron L'Herault wrote: > If I were more familiar with the streets in Pawtucket, I'd go looking for > the site. That city is full of one-ways and is chopped up by route 95. > Combine that with RI poor signage (It assumes you know where you are and > where you are going) and it is a nightmare to drive around Pawtucket. > Attleboro is no problem. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Glenn Longwell > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:12 AM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing > > I figured I'd hear from someone in MOCAPS with both Pawtucket and Attleboro > mentioned on the sleeve! I'm curious to hear what you find out. > > Glenn > > --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Ron L'Herault wrote: > > > From: Ron L'Herault > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 4:09 AM > > > I live the next town over to Attleboro, North Attleboro, MA. I'll have to > see what is at 110 Union Street now, if the address even still exists. > > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Glenn Longwell > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:56 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing > > A few months back I had mentioned on this list that I bought a Crescent > phonograph. Besides a phonograph manufacturer they were a vertical cut > record brand. Their phonographs were equipped to play both vertical and > lateral. Talking with the granddaughter of the original owner she was > fairly sure the machine was purchased in Rhode Island. > > Just recently said contacted me back to say she found a couple more records > (no Crescents unfortunately) but there was a sleeve which I asked her to > send me. I have posted the sleeve here with a separate picture of the > phonograph: > > www.majesticrecord.com/traverssleeve.htm > > This likely confirms that they did buy it in Pawtucket as the woman had > originally guessed. The record prices on it are pretty interesting as well > as citing 8 inch double sided records. I wonder if these were Crescents, or > Operaphones. What I'm interested in knowing is whether the drawing of a > phonograph is identifiable as a real phonograph. It shows a reproducer set > up to play vertical records. Can anyone identify it? > > Thanks, > Glenn > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Mon Jan 18 18:35:24 2010 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:35:24 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing In-Reply-To: References: <004301ca97f4$0cbd2fe0$26378fa0$@edu> <475253.40827.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <003701ca985d$10a1a550$31e4eff0$@edu> Message-ID: <003e01ca98b0$0df645b0$29e2d110$@edu> I forgot about that. Of course if there is an old shop still there in Attleboro, I can go in. Ron -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim Nichol Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:28 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing You guys know that you can look at photos of buildings and houses on Google Maps Street View, or Bing.com, right? I just looked at both sites. Jim On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Ron L'Herault wrote: > If I were more familiar with the streets in Pawtucket, I'd go looking for > the site. That city is full of one-ways and is chopped up by route 95. > Combine that with RI poor signage (It assumes you know where you are and > where you are going) and it is a nightmare to drive around Pawtucket. > Attleboro is no problem. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Glenn Longwell > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:12 AM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing > > I figured I'd hear from someone in MOCAPS with both Pawtucket and Attleboro > mentioned on the sleeve! I'm curious to hear what you find out. > > Glenn > > --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Ron L'Herault wrote: > > > From: Ron L'Herault > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 4:09 AM > > > I live the next town over to Attleboro, North Attleboro, MA. I'll have to > see what is at 110 Union Street now, if the address even still exists. > > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Glenn Longwell > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:56 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing > > A few months back I had mentioned on this list that I bought a Crescent > phonograph. Besides a phonograph manufacturer they were a vertical cut > record brand. Their phonographs were equipped to play both vertical and > lateral. Talking with the granddaughter of the original owner she was > fairly sure the machine was purchased in Rhode Island. > > Just recently said contacted me back to say she found a couple more records > (no Crescents unfortunately) but there was a sleeve which I asked her to > send me. I have posted the sleeve here with a separate picture of the > phonograph: > > www.majesticrecord.com/traverssleeve.htm > > This likely confirms that they did buy it in Pawtucket as the woman had > originally guessed. The record prices on it are pretty interesting as well > as citing 8 inch double sided records. I wonder if these were Crescents, or > Operaphones. What I'm interested in knowing is whether the drawing of a > phonograph is identifiable as a real phonograph. It shows a reproducer set > up to play vertical records. Can anyone identify it? > > Thanks, > Glenn > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From gbogantz1 at charter.net Tue Jan 19 14:21:55 2010 From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:21:55 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Allen Hough Message-ID: As some of you may know, Allen Hough made a peculiar record changer that was used on only a few radio/phonos in the late 1920s, the Columbia 990 and the Zenith 75 being the only two that I know about. Here's a strange electric portable acoustic machine made by them: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Allen-Hough-Turntable-Record-Player-Phonograph_W0QQitemZ320475016810QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item4a9dccae6a Note the busted casting which reveals what appears to be a multi-pole induction motor rotor. Note the escutcheon around the spindle hole in the platter says "Allen Hough Rotor Corp." in Milwaukee. Wonder what a "rotor corporation" was? Maybe they specialized in gear hobbing or making multi-pole induction motors. Anybody know more about this company? Greg Bogantz From allenamet at aol.com Tue Jan 19 16:17:45 2010 From: allenamet at aol.com (allenamet at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:17:45 EST Subject: [Phono-L] Allen Hough Message-ID: <15f6e.3cf6cfd2.3887a5a9@aol.com> In a message dated 1/19/2010 5:31:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gbogantz1 at charter.net writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Allen-Hough-Turntable-Record-Player-Phonograph_W 0QQitemZ320475016810QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item4a9dc cae6a ----------------- See this for comparison: _RARE CARRYOLA CABARET COUNTERTOP COIN OP JUKE BOX for sale_ (http://www.hydroponicsonline.com/store/RARE-CARRYOLA-CABARET-COUNTERTOP-COIN-OP-JUKE-BOX_ 200394548733.html) Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) From gbogantz1 at charter.net Tue Jan 19 17:28:09 2010 From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:28:09 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Allen Hough References: <15f6e.3cf6cfd2.3887a5a9@aol.com> Message-ID: <5B37CF32DDF44106B4F2E520832F2F4A@gbhpa1514n> Thanks for that link, Allen. That is, indeed, the Allen Hough record changer that was used in the Columbia VivaTonal 990 and Zenith model 75. I had not known about this Carryola jukebox before. The Columbia and Zenith models are quite rare - the Carryola juke must be even more so. Several bidders must have thought it pretty special to jack the sale price up so high. Greg Bogantz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Allen Hough > > In a message dated 1/19/2010 5:31:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > gbogantz1 at charter.net writes: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Allen-Hough-Turntable-Record-Player-Phonograph_W > 0QQitemZ320475016810QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item4a9dc > cae6a > > > ----------------- > See this for comparison: > _RARE CARRYOLA CABARET COUNTERTOP COIN OP JUKE BOX for sale_ > (http://www.hydroponicsonline.com/store/RARE-CARRYOLA-CABARET-COUNTERTOP-COIN-OP-JUKE-BOX_ > 200394548733.html) > > Allen > _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From zonophone2006 at aol.com Wed Jan 20 14:41:06 2010 From: zonophone2006 at aol.com (zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:41:06 EST Subject: [Phono-L] hi just trying to get hold of the rolfs Message-ID: <148fa.50af48c1.3888e082@aol.com> hi joan and rob just seeing if you are coming to the florida show rob From nipper at dataex.com Wed Jan 20 18:01:26 2010 From: nipper at dataex.com (=?utf-8?b?Um9iaW4gUm9sZnM=?=) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:01:26 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] hi just trying to get hold of the rolfs Message-ID: <20100120210126.a2h0k1pr0z6s088w@webmail.dataex.com> Greetings, Yes. In fact we are already here! Spent the day at Ft. Myers were the weather was a balmy 77 degrees. A relief from the Wisconsin weather. Will be at the Universal Holiday Inn tomorrow evening and looking forward to seeing lots of friends at the Florida show. Rob & Joan Quoting zonophone2006 at aol.com: > hi joan and rob > just seeing if you are coming to the florida show > rob > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From thatcher at mediaguide.com Thu Jan 21 07:32:26 2010 From: thatcher at mediaguide.com (Thatcher Graham) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:32:26 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] transcriptions discs Message-ID: <4B58738A.1000202@mediaguide.com> Anyone here ever hire out to transfer an old transcription disc? I've got one here that'll need a lot of work. -- Thatcher From zuccawt at comcast.net Thu Jan 21 09:05:48 2010 From: zuccawt at comcast.net (zuccawt at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] transcriptions discs In-Reply-To: <4B58738A.1000202@mediaguide.com> Message-ID: <778058797.3234711264093548639.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I have the facility to transfer up to 18" lateral and vertical transcriptions. What do mean ..." that'll need a lot of work"? What kind of disc is it? What size? Shellac, lacquer aluminum, lacquer glass, home recording, vinyl? Regards, Bill Zucca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thatcher Graham" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:32:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] transcriptions discs Anyone here ever hire out to transfer an old transcription disc? I've got one here that'll need a lot of work. -- Thatcher _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org From lherault at bu.edu Thu Jan 21 10:51:28 2010 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:51:28 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone Message-ID: <004c01ca9aca$bdaca500$3905ef00$@edu> This is a hoot. It looks like a very nicely made crapophone based on the Edison Diamond Disc machines. It is Ebay no. 400097511447 Ron L From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Thu Jan 21 12:39:11 2010 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:39:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone In-Reply-To: <004c01ca9aca$bdaca500$3905ef00$@edu> References: <004c01ca9aca$bdaca500$3905ef00$@edu> Message-ID: <398324.90131.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> When I first saw this, I almost fell off of my chair, laughing my a$$ off. When I looked at it closer, I realized that whoever made it, did a fine job in constructing it. Nevertheless, it's still a crapophone. It's too bad the craftsman couldn't use his talents for restoring an existing machine. It never ceases to amaze me what people can create. Harvey Kravitz ________________________________ From: Ron L'Herault To: Antique Phonograph List ; phonolist at yahoogroups.com; MOCAPS-L at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 10:51:28 AM Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone This is a hoot. It looks like a very nicely made crapophone based on the Edison Diamond Disc machines. It is Ebay no. 400097511447 Ron L _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Thu Jan 21 12:05:32 2010 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:05:32 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] transcriptions discs In-Reply-To: <4B58738A.1000202@mediaguide.com> References: <4B58738A.1000202@mediaguide.com> Message-ID: <006301ca9ad5$164ae8c0$42e0ba40$@edu> What level of sophistication do you want? I can transfer the disk if it will track. I can do manual and some automatic de-clicking. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Thatcher Graham Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:32 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] transcriptions discs Anyone here ever hire out to transfer an old transcription disc? I've got one here that'll need a lot of work. -- Thatcher _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From thatcher at mediaguide.com Thu Jan 21 15:59:13 2010 From: thatcher at mediaguide.com (Thatcher Graham) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:59:13 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] transcriptions discs In-Reply-To: <778058797.3234711264093548639.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <778058797.3234711264093548639.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B58EA51.7080203@mediaguide.com> Robert Wright volunteered to help me out with this first one. He reacted to the story about the same as I did so I'll share with the group. The short version of the story is that I recently acquired a transcription recording of a pair of country yodelers, the Miccolis sisters from 1940 on KMOX. I did a little research and found out that one of the sisters is still alive. I contacted her and she told me that sad story that her 78s had broken, and she no longer even had a copy of her own music. I told her I'd find a way to help her out. So, I want to make a copy of the transcription I have, then try to track down the four 78s she put out on DeLuxe. That's her whole catalog. It's a small project for an obscure musician but her story really appealed to me. -- Thatcher zuccawt at comcast.net wrote: > I have the facility to transfer up to 18" lateral and vertical transcriptions. What do mean ..." that'll need a lot of work"? What kind of disc is it? What size? Shellac, lacquer aluminum, lacquer glass, home recording, vinyl? > > Regards, > Bill Zucca > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thatcher Graham" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:32:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [Phono-L] transcriptions discs > > Anyone here ever hire out to transfer an old transcription disc? I've > got one here that'll need a lot of work. > > > -- Thatcher > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From andy at popyrus.com Thu Jan 21 17:03:43 2010 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:03:43 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone In-Reply-To: <004c01ca9aca$bdaca500$3905ef00$@edu> References: <004c01ca9aca$bdaca500$3905ef00$@edu> Message-ID: <337F331B-CDCA-4EE9-B74F-19D117527F21@popyrus.com> I'll I can think of seeing this is "that poor, poor record groove". Gads, I hope no one puts a record on this that they care about. Nice clear photos. Did you notice the gear teeth worn paper-thin on the worm and spindle driven gear? I especially enjoyed the seller's comment, which apparently neatly puts to rest any misrepresentation issues: Someone who knows has way arround gramophones will know how old this one is , I can't tell because I don't know enough about these things. On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Ron L'Herault wrote: > 400097511447 From klinger at modex.com Thu Jan 21 17:53:13 2010 From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:53:13 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Awards 2010 -- Nominations Reminder Message-ID: <808B8603242C491298322B036E620F63@WEKDesktop> The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click on one of the e-mail addresses at the end of this message. --- NOMINATIONS for the 2010 ARSC AWARDS --- Deadline: January 31, 2010 You are invited to propose candidates for the 2010 ARSC Awards for Excellence in Historical Recorded Sound Research, the Lifetime Achievement Award, and the Award for Distinguished Service. Nominations may be made by anyone, ARSC member or not. The deadline for all nominations is January 31, 2010. NOMINATIONS for the ARSC AWARDS for EXCELLENCE in HISTORICAL RECORDED SOUND RESEARCH Eligible publications include any original work -- book, monograph, article, liner notes, etc. -- first published during 2009. The work may treat any subject related to recorded sound, but must embody the highest research standards. It should deal primarily with historical subjects, pertaining to periods at least ten years prior to the year of publication, with the exception of works related to modern preservation or playback technology. The ARSC Awards typically recognize histories, discographies, or biographies representing the "Best Research" in these recording genres: Blues or Gospel Music; Classical Music; Country Music; Folk or Ethnic Music; Jazz; Popular Music; Rock, Rhythm & Blues, or Soul; and Spoken Word. Additional categories include: General Research in Recorded Sound; Record Labels or Manufacturers; Phonographs; and Preservation or Reproduction of Recorded Sound. The Awards Committee especially welcomes information concerning eligible journal articles, as well as foreign and small-press publications that might otherwise be overlooked. NOMINATIONS for the ARSC LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT and DISTINGUISHED SERVICE AWARDS The ARSC Lifetime Achievement Award is presented annually to an individual, in recognition of a life's work in research and publication. The ARSC Award for Distinguished Service to Historic Recordings honors a person who has made outstanding contributions to the field, outside of published works or discographic research. SUBMISSIONS All nominations should be sent to the Awards Committee Chair: Roberta Freund Schwartz University of Kansas Archive of Recorded Sound 434 Murphy Hall 1530 Naismith Dr. Lawrence, KS 66049 rfschwar at ku.edu Nominations for the ARSC Awards for Excellence in Historical Recorded Sound Research must include the name of each nominee, together with the names of co-authors, the publication title, and the publisher's name and address. Additional information about ARSC, including a list of past ARSC Award Winners, may be found at www.arsc-audio.org. The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals -- everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound. From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Sun Jan 24 14:19:51 2010 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:19:51 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone In-Reply-To: <004c01ca9aca$bdaca500$3905ef00$@edu> References: <004c01ca9aca$bdaca500$3905ef00$@edu> Message-ID: <4b5cc78d.9413f30a.366c.277d@mx.google.com> I think it's GORGEOUS, even if it's not the real thing. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:51 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List'; phonolist at yahoogroups.com; MOCAPS-L at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone This is a hoot. It looks like a very nicely made crapophone based on the Edison Diamond Disc machines. It is Ebay no. 400097511447 Ron L _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 11:33:00 From Tubanuts at aol.com Sun Jan 24 18:00:51 2010 From: Tubanuts at aol.com (Tubanuts at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:00:51 EST Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone Message-ID: I wonder if the drive worm was changed to match 78 rpm In a message dated 1/24/2010 5:01:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, jay.horenstein at gmail.com writes: I think it's GORGEOUS, even if it's not the real thing. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:51 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List'; phonolist at yahoogroups.com; MOCAPS-L at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone This is a hoot. It looks like a very nicely made crapophone based on the Edison Diamond Disc machines. It is Ebay no. 400097511447 Ron L _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 11:33:00 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Sun Jan 24 18:07:51 2010 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:07:51 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005c01ca9d63$33489b80$99d9d280$@edu> There was no drive worm that I could see. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tubanuts at aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:01 PM To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New version crapophone I wonder if the drive worm was changed to match 78 rpm In a message dated 1/24/2010 5:01:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, jay.horenstein at gmail.com writes: I think it's GORGEOUS, even if it's not the real thing. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:51 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List'; phonolist at yahoogroups.com; MOCAPS-L at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone This is a hoot. It looks like a very nicely made crapophone based on the Edison Diamond Disc machines. It is Ebay no. 400097511447 Ron L _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 11:33:00 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Tubanuts at aol.com Sun Jan 24 18:14:14 2010 From: Tubanuts at aol.com (Tubanuts at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:14:14 EST Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone Message-ID: <11b1.1b9b5c64.388e5876@aol.com> OH WOW-- The record groove has to drag the whole horn-- No wonder he installed ball bearings on the pivots. One needle per play-one play per record . In a message dated 1/24/2010 8:09:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, lherault at bu.edu writes: There was no drive worm that I could see. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tubanuts at aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:01 PM To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New version crapophone I wonder if the drive worm was changed to match 78 rpm In a message dated 1/24/2010 5:01:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, jay.horenstein at gmail.com writes: I think it's GORGEOUS, even if it's not the real thing. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:51 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List'; phonolist at yahoogroups.com; MOCAPS-L at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone This is a hoot. It looks like a very nicely made crapophone based on the Edison Diamond Disc machines. It is Ebay no. 400097511447 Ron L _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 11:33:00 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From deedeeblais at yahoo.com Sun Jan 24 20:22:34 2010 From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:22:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Cygnet Bell For Sale - $900 Message-ID: <809408.98771.qm@web113804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I was out antiquing and ran across an oak cygnet bell for sale. It is missing the hanger bracket and the flange ring where the elbow attaches as well as the elbow. Edison wood horns are made of solid wood not veneer and the pieces are glued on edge. All of the oak pieces are included but there are separations where it should be clamped and glued. The Music Master decals are still there. If interested or have questions please give me a call. Thanks, Jerry Blais 541-990-0781 (Pacific Time) From zonophone2006 at aol.com Mon Jan 25 03:11:38 2010 From: zonophone2006 at aol.com (zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:11:38 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] victrola electric 18 In-Reply-To: <809408.98771.qm@web113804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <809408.98771.qm@web113804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC6BC64CA57AA4-9658-2F3E4@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com> hi all i just purchased a electrola 18 does any one have a set of instruction books for this its a different on and off control and trying to figure out how it is set up thanks zono From john9ten at pacbell.net Mon Jan 25 09:23:49 2010 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:23:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone In-Reply-To: <11b1.1b9b5c64.388e5876@aol.com> References: <11b1.1b9b5c64.388e5876@aol.com> Message-ID: <83508.37658.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Folks I am horrified to see what it sold for. I suspect the seller is being cagey when he says "Someone who knows has way arround gramophones will know how old this one is , I can't tell because I don't know enough about these things ."What a tidy disclaimer. Why would you buy it in the first place if you knew nothing about it? This guy's name is radioseller, which one would think implies some knowledge of antique sound producing equipment. Please note before you flame me that I only said I SUSPECT the seller is being misleading. I am not making accusations, and this is all just my conjecture of course, and it is a buyer beware world on ebay, but spending over $2,000 on this..what a sad, sad loss for the buyer.Oh well. John Robles ________________________________ From: "Tubanuts at aol.com" To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 6:14:14 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New version crapophone OH WOW-- The record groove has to drag the whole horn-- No wonder he installed ball bearings on the pivots. One needle per play-one play per record . In a message dated 1/24/2010 8:09:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, lherault at bu.edu writes: There was no drive worm that I could see. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tubanuts at aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:01 PM To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New version crapophone I wonder if the drive worm was changed to match 78 rpm In a message dated 1/24/2010 5:01:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, jay.horenstein at gmail.com writes: I think it's GORGEOUS, even if it's not the real thing. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:51 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List'; phonolist at yahoogroups.com; MOCAPS-L at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone This is a hoot. It looks like a very nicely made crapophone based on the Edison Diamond Disc machines. It is Ebay no. 400097511447 Ron L _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 11:33:00 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From esroberto at hotmail.com Mon Jan 25 12:16:24 2010 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:16:24 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone In-Reply-To: <83508.37658.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <11b1.1b9b5c64.388e5876@aol.com>, <83508.37658.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Somebody got TAKEN. That's all there is to it. But the truth is that if the buyer didn't know any better, he'll probably never find out the truth, so for him, who knows, maybe he'll enjoy it $2000 worth. I think it highly unlikely that someone who'd spend that kind of money on that... thing... would ever eventually know people like the members on this list who could've steered him away from it. Like John said, oh well. > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:23:49 -0800 > From: john9ten at pacbell.net > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New version crapophone > > Hello Folks > I am horrified to see what it sold for. I suspect the seller is being cagey when he says "Someone who knows > has way arround gramophones will know how old this one is , I can't > tell because I don't know enough about these things ."What a tidy disclaimer. Why would you buy it in the first place if you knew nothing about it? > This guy's name is radioseller, which one would think implies some knowledge of antique sound producing equipment. Please note before you flame me that I only said I SUSPECT the seller is being misleading. I am not making accusations, and this is all just my conjecture of course, and it is a buyer beware world on ebay, but spending over $2,000 on this..what a sad, sad loss for the buyer.Oh well. > John Robles _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ From vicdoc160 at stny.rr.com Mon Jan 25 17:08:29 2010 From: vicdoc160 at stny.rr.com (vicdoc160 at stny.rr.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:08:29 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Home horn Message-ID: <20100126011116.E7701156D3E@vzwemconn01.vzw-prod.oz.com> For sale.....light surface rust....might polish off...be nice repainted and try your hand at tole painted flower!....or leave as is....100.00 vicdoc160 at stny.rr.com ---------- Sent from my Verizon Wireless mobile phone From victrola at triton.net Tue Jan 26 09:32:49 2010 From: victrola at triton.net (George) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:32:49 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Help! Message-ID: Does anyone have a current phone number and/or email address for Howard Elrod in OR. He sent me a reproducer to repair, but only his mailing address is included. I am trying not to have to use snail mail. Thank you, George From john9ten at pacbell.net Wed Jan 27 00:25:46 2010 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:25:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 Message-ID: <761005.3077.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok all you big time collectors out there, I am seeking - yes - a Hawaiian Blue Amberol. It is number 1917 entitled Tomi Tomi. If anyone has a copy I'd gladly purchase it. I know you're all hoarding those precious Hawaiian records..... :-) I love Hawaiian music and I play in a Hawaiian group, and am looking for Hula records, and 1917 is one of them. Thanks John Robles From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 11:51:51 2010 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 In-Reply-To: <761005.3077.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <761005.3077.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <652259.725.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi John, I thought that I was the only one who collected Hawaiian music. I was stationed in Hawaii when I was in the Navy and all over the Pacific. I always have a soft spot for Hawaiian and Polynesian music. Listening to the reminds me of the good times I had over there. I'll look through my cylinders and see if I have a duplicate. Harvey Kravitz ________________________________ From: john robles To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 12:25:46 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 Ok all you big time collectors out there, I am seeking - yes - a Hawaiian Blue Amberol. It is number 1917 entitled Tomi Tomi. If anyone has a copy I'd gladly purchase it. I know you're all hoarding those precious Hawaiian records..... :-) I love Hawaiian music and I play in a Hawaiian group, and am looking for Hula records, and 1917 is one of them. Thanks John Robles _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Wed Jan 27 13:06:22 2010 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:06:22 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Orlando show Message-ID: The most wonderful part of the show was seeing Harry Ruer and his wife Sherry. I purchased a Paul Baker K with a broken hinge block for $90, a near mint gold exhibition box with gold print for $20, the admission was $14 for my wife and I, but seeing Paul Baker's restored Multiphone and talking with Paul and meeting his wife was worth the price of admission. Mrs. Baker is like my wife, she is not very interested in phonographs but is wonderfully tolerant (while we discussed reproducers) to the point which is truly impressive. Ron Haring was there along with Charley Hummel, and Ron Sitko made a cameo appearance, and there were many other dealers who made the show very enjoyable. Bob Cole, who organized the show this year did an absolutely wonderful job. He continued the show in such a great way not changing the warm friendly atmosphere that the Ruer's have created. It may not be the biggest, but it is the most friendly show. I got the box for Ramona 5544, a March 1914 2 minute blank and its box in excellent condition that was likely for the ICS language course, it still sparkles in the gold, a D home 2/4 pulley and cylinder record brush for $20, and a nice book on Victor advertising with the Victor VI ad showing the brass horn 6 on the front. I have this ad so I could not resist the book at $7. At the show was a restored Multiphone, a Mahogany Triumph B with repeater, an early 3000 S/N spring motor with a standard speaker and an 'updated' early winged B reproducer with the serial number 1113, a Kalamazoo Duplex, and a Polyphone suitcase home. Perhaps next year I will remember to write things down to give a complete description of the show. Don Gfell and his wife were there along with their beautiful wooden horns, the Smiths were there with a lot of nice cylinder records and other items, the Rolfs did exceptionally well selling machines and because of Joan's sunny disposition, the rainy first day was hardly noticed. Don and his wife remind me of the horns they sell, ageless and are the nicest people you will ever meet. I walked the whole day until my feet were sore enjoying the show. Steve From ddazer at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 27 13:49:16 2010 From: ddazer at sbcglobal.net (David Dazer) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:49:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Orlando show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <367740.23194.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What? a wonderful description of the show.? I wish I could have been there. Dave --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Steven Medved wrote: From: Steven Medved Subject: [Phono-L] Orlando show To: "Phono-l" Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 4:06 PM The most wonderful part of the show was seeing Harry Ruer and his wife Sherry. I purchased a Paul Baker K with a broken hinge block for $90, a near mint gold exhibition box with gold print for $20, the admission was $14 for my wife and I, but seeing Paul Baker's restored Multiphone and talking with Paul and meeting his wife was worth the price of admission. Mrs. Baker is like my wife, she is not very interested in phonographs but is wonderfully tolerant (while we discussed reproducers) to the point which is truly impressive.? Ron Haring was there along with Charley Hummel, and Ron Sitko made a cameo appearance, and there were many other dealers who made the show very enjoyable. Bob Cole, who organized the show this year did an absolutely wonderful job.? He continued the show in such a great way not changing the warm friendly atmosphere that the Ruer's have created.? It may not be the biggest, but it is the most friendly show.? I got the box for Ramona 5544, a March 1914 2 minute blank and its box in excellent condition that was likely for the ICS language course, it still sparkles in the gold, a D home 2/4 pulley and cylinder record brush for $20, and a nice book on Victor advertising with the Victor VI ad showing the brass horn 6 on the front.? I have this ad so I could not resist the book at $7.? At the show was a restored Multiphone, a Mahogany Triumph B with repeater, an early 3000 S/N spring motor with a standard speaker and an 'updated' early winged B reproducer with the serial number 1113, a Kalamazoo Duplex, and a Polyphone suitcase home.? Perhaps next year I will remember to write things down to give a complete description of the show. Don Gfell and his wife were there along with their beautiful wooden horns, the Smiths were there with a lot of nice cylinder records and other items, the Rolfs did exceptionally well selling machines and because of Joan's sunny disposition, the rainy first day was hardly noticed.? Don and his wife remind me of the horns they sell, ageless and are the nicest people you will ever meet.? I walked the whole day until my feet were sore enjoying the show.? Steve ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From RKolba0211 at aol.com Thu Jan 28 10:18:40 2010 From: RKolba0211 at aol.com (RKolba0211 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:18:40 EST Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Purple Cylinders Message-ID: I am trying to complete my set of the Edison purple cylinders and need numbers 47, 55, 71 and 77. Will pay good price. Any assistance would be most appreciated. Many thanks. Bob Kolba From rhovanes at comcast.net Thu Jan 28 04:17:48 2010 From: rhovanes at comcast.net (Robert Hovanes) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:17:48 -0800 Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 In-Reply-To: <652259.725.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello. My name is Bob Hovanes out of Seattle. I'm new to the list and also a newby collector. ...and in my first purchase of a big chunk of cylinders is, would you believe it? 1917 Tomi Tomi Hawaiian Music Toots Paka's Hawaiians... I could be convinced. -Bob On 1/27/10 11:51 AM, "harvey kravitz" wrote: > Hi John, I thought that I was the only one who collected Hawaiian music. I was > stationed in Hawaii when I was in the Navy and all over the Pacific. I always > have a soft spot for Hawaiian and Polynesian music. Listening to the reminds > me of the good times I had over there. I'll look through my cylinders and see > if I have a duplicate. Harvey Kravitz > > > > > ________________________________ > From: john robles > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 12:25:46 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 > > Ok all you big time collectors out there, I am seeking - yes - a Hawaiian Blue > Amberol. It is number 1917 entitled Tomi Tomi. If anyone has a copy I'd gladly > purchase it. I know you're all hoarding those precious Hawaiian records..... > :-) > I love Hawaiian music and I play in a Hawaiian group, and am looking for Hula > records, and 1917 is one of them. > Thanks > John Robles > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From maxbud12 at wowway.com Thu Jan 28 08:31:09 2010 From: maxbud12 at wowway.com (Bruce Mercer) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:31:09 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Hawaiian Music References: <761005.3077.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <652259.725.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <839762A6B87C4A3EB3C76BC5807BA9C3@Vaio> Do either of you guys collect Hawaiian on DD? I can round up a bunch of it, even 52000 series. Bruce From john9ten at pacbell.net Thu Jan 28 12:43:53 2010 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:43:53 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Hawaiian Music Message-ID: <1594767389-1264711265-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1346547220-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I do, but selected titles, not just anything that's Hawai'ian. Thanks! John Robles ------Original Message------ From: Bruce Mercer Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Hawaiian Music Sent: Jan 28, 2010 8:31 AM Do either of you guys collect Hawaiian on DD? I can round up a bunch of it, even 52000 series. Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From thatcher at mediaguide.com Thu Jan 28 12:43:18 2010 From: thatcher at mediaguide.com (Thatcher Graham) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:43:18 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Hawaiian Music In-Reply-To: <1594767389-1264711265-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1346547220-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1594767389-1264711265-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1346547220-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4B61F6E6.5020904@mediaguide.com> I have a lot of Hawaiian but no DD --Thatcher john9ten at pacbell.net wrote: > I do, but selected titles, not just anything that's Hawai'ian. > Thanks! > John Robles > ------Original Message------ > From: Bruce Mercer > Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org > To: Antique Phonograph List > ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: [Phono-L] Hawaiian Music > Sent: Jan 28, 2010 8:31 AM > > Do either of you guys collect Hawaiian on DD? I can round up a bunch of it, > even 52000 series. > > Bruce > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From leroybarco at abq.com Thu Jan 28 04:13:26 2010 From: leroybarco at abq.com (Leroy Barco) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:13:26 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 In-Reply-To: <761005.3077.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <761005.3077.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John, I have it on Diamond Disc 50273 by Toots Paka, et al. Very good condition... I know where its been and how it was used since it was bought! Contact me off list for details if interested. LeRoy leroybarco at abq.com On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:25 AM, john robles wrote: > Ok all you big time collectors out there, I am seeking - yes - a Hawaiian > Blue Amberol. It is number 1917 entitled Tomi Tomi. If anyone has a copy I'd > gladly purchase it. I know you're all hoarding those precious Hawaiian > records..... :-) > I love Hawaiian music and I play in a Hawaiian group, and am looking for > Hula records, and 1917 is one of them. > Thanks > John Robles > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From john9ten at pacbell.net Thu Jan 28 12:47:55 2010 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:47:55 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Hawaiian Music Message-ID: <799923674-1264711521-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-563314452-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Cylinders or 78s? John ------Original Message------ From: Thatcher Graham Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Hawaiian Music Sent: Jan 28, 2010 12:43 PM I have a lot of Hawaiian but no DD --Thatcher john9ten at pacbell.net wrote: > I do, but selected titles, not just anything that's Hawai'ian. > Thanks! > John Robles > ------Original Message------ > From: Bruce Mercer > Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org > To: Antique Phonograph List > ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: [Phono-L] Hawaiian Music > Sent: Jan 28, 2010 8:31 AM > > Do either of you guys collect Hawaiian on DD? I can round up a bunch of it, > even 52000 series. > > Bruce > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From steve_noreen at msn.com Thu Jan 28 14:30:51 2010 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:30:51 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Orlando show In-Reply-To: <367740.23194.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , <367740.23194.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, next year should be even better. Steve From rhovanes at comcast.net Wed Jan 27 20:53:14 2010 From: rhovanes at comcast.net (rhovanes at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 In-Reply-To: <1552942935.15456031264654230644.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <656736896.15456791264654394324.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello... my first e-mail. I'm a new collector here in Seattle and I just bought 148 cylinders out of Kansas... and right there on the top as I opened the box is... would you believe it... 1917 Tomi Tomi- Hawaiian Hula Toots Paka's Hawaiians... what do you think about that? -Bob Hovanes ----- Original Message ----- From: "harvey kravitz" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:51:51 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 Hi John, I thought that I was the only one who collected Hawaiian music. I was stationed in Hawaii when I was in the Navy and all over the Pacific. I always have a soft spot for Hawaiian and Polynesian music. Listening to the reminds me of the good times I had over there. I'll look through my cylinders and see if I have a duplicate. Harvey Kravitz ________________________________ From: john robles To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 12:25:46 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 Ok all you big time collectors out there, I am seeking - yes - a Hawaiian Blue Amberol. It is number 1917 entitled Tomi Tomi. If anyone has a copy I'd gladly purchase it. I know you're all hoarding those precious Hawaiian records..... :-) I love Hawaiian music and I play in a Hawaiian group, and am looking for Hula records, and 1917 is one of them. Thanks John Robles _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Thu Jan 28 15:54:31 2010 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:54:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35202.25150.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, Welcome to phono-l and the wonderful world of wind up phonographs. I live in Bremerton, not to far from you. What do you collect? There is another collector in Bremerton. Maybe we can hook up sometime. Harvey Kravitz ________________________________ From: Robert Hovanes To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 4:17:48 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 Hello. My name is Bob Hovanes out of Seattle. I'm new to the list and also a newby collector. ...and in my first purchase of a big chunk of cylinders is, would you believe it? 1917 Tomi Tomi Hawaiian Music Toots Paka's Hawaiians... I could be convinced. -Bob On 1/27/10 11:51 AM, "harvey kravitz" wrote: > Hi John, I thought that I was the only one who collected Hawaiian music. I was > stationed in Hawaii when I was in the Navy and all over the Pacific. I always > have a soft spot for Hawaiian and Polynesian music. Listening to the reminds > me of the good times I had over there. I'll look through my cylinders and see > if I have a duplicate. Harvey Kravitz > > > > > ________________________________ > From: john robles > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 12:25:46 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 > > Ok all you big time collectors out there, I am seeking - yes - a Hawaiian Blue > Amberol. It is number 1917 entitled Tomi Tomi. If anyone has a copy I'd gladly > purchase it. I know you're all hoarding those precious Hawaiian records..... > :-) > I love Hawaiian music and I play in a Hawaiian group, and am looking for Hula > records, and 1917 is one of them. > Thanks > John Robles > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Thu Jan 28 15:58:02 2010 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:58:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Hawaiian Music In-Reply-To: <839762A6B87C4A3EB3C76BC5807BA9C3@Vaio> References: <761005.3077.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <652259.725.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <839762A6B87C4A3EB3C76BC5807BA9C3@Vaio> Message-ID: <712790.25340.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Bruce, Like I said, I have a soft spot for Hawaiian records.They remind me of the good times when I was in the Navy, stationed in Hawaii If they are cheap, I'd be interested in them. Thanks, Harvey ________________________________ From: Bruce Mercer To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 8:31:09 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Hawaiian Music Do either of you guys collect Hawaiian on DD? I can round up a bunch of it, even 52000 series. Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Thu Jan 28 17:12:29 2010 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:12:29 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 Message-ID: <61090095-1264727388-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-35821388-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Ooooh could you? I have some choice non hawaiian trades as well as cash. I'll contact you when I get home. ------Original Message------ From: Robert Hovanes Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 Sent: Jan 28, 2010 4:17 AM Hello. My name is Bob Hovanes out of Seattle. I'm new to the list and also a newby collector. ...and in my first purchase of a big chunk of cylinders is, would you believe it? 1917 Tomi Tomi Hawaiian Music Toots Paka's Hawaiians... I could be convinced. -Bob On 1/27/10 11:51 AM, "harvey kravitz" wrote: > Hi John, I thought that I was the only one who collected Hawaiian music. I was > stationed in Hawaii when I was in the Navy and all over the Pacific. I always > have a soft spot for Hawaiian and Polynesian music. Listening to the reminds > me of the good times I had over there. I'll look through my cylinders and see > if I have a duplicate. Harvey Kravitz > > > > > ________________________________ > From: john robles > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 12:25:46 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 > > Ok all you big time collectors out there, I am seeking - yes - a Hawaiian Blue > Amberol. It is number 1917 entitled Tomi Tomi. If anyone has a copy I'd gladly > purchase it. I know you're all hoarding those precious Hawaiian records..... > :-) > I love Hawaiian music and I play in a Hawaiian group, and am looking for Hula > records, and 1917 is one of them. > Thanks > John Robles > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From thatcher at mediaguide.com Thu Jan 28 18:15:50 2010 From: thatcher at mediaguide.com (Thatcher Graham) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:15:50 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Hawaiian Music In-Reply-To: <799923674-1264711521-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-563314452-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <799923674-1264711521-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-563314452-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4B6244D6.8080305@mediaguide.com> 78s 45s as well. john9ten at pacbell.net wrote: > Cylinders or 78s? > John > ------Original Message------ > From: Thatcher Graham > Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org > To: Antique Phonograph List > ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Hawaiian Music > Sent: Jan 28, 2010 12:43 PM > > I have a lot of Hawaiian but no DD > > --Thatcher > > > john9ten at pacbell.net wrote: > >> I do, but selected titles, not just anything that's Hawai'ian. >> Thanks! >> John Robles >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Bruce Mercer >> Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List >> Subject: [Phono-L] Hawaiian Music >> Sent: Jan 28, 2010 8:31 AM >> >> Do either of you guys collect Hawaiian on DD? I can round up a bunch of it, >> even 52000 series. >> >> Bruce >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > -- Thatcher Graham Senior Field Engineer ph. 610-578-0800 x214 cell: 484-354-6918 fx. 610-578-0804 Mediaguide 640 Freedom Business Ctr. STE 305 King of Prussia, PA 19406 From slowpost at clear.net.nz Thu Jan 28 18:02:56 2010 From: slowpost at clear.net.nz (Mark Dawson) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:02:56 +1300 Subject: [Phono-L] Improved Columbia Sterling Disc Graphophone BI Message-ID: <8BD9442EE22F486D83B3DAD616F5B8AC@D69S8J1S> I have a lovely nine panel nickel horn looking for its mate! The later improved Columbia Sterling with the columns on either side, with the Columbia horn decal, is what I am after, without the horn. So I put it out to the universe! I cannot believe my eyes, when I saw a heap of diamond disc bits turned into a monstrosity of machinery. Got over $2,000 US dollars. They must be completely blind or balmy?Speaking of which, it is sommertime in little old New Zealand.Cheers Mark slowpost at clear.net.nz From john9ten at pacbell.net Thu Jan 28 18:34:02 2010 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:34:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 - Robert Hovanes In-Reply-To: <61090095-1264727388-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-35821388-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <61090095-1264727388-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-35821388-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <136054.61661.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bob Can you please send your email address? I'd like to negotiate.... :-) Thanks John ________________________________ From: "john9ten at pacbell.net" To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 5:12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 Ooooh could you? I have some choice non hawaiian trades as well as cash. I'll contact you when I get home. ------Original Message------ From: Robert Hovanes Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 Sent: Jan 28, 2010 4:17 AM Hello. My name is Bob Hovanes out of Seattle. I'm new to the list and also a newby collector. ...and in my first purchase of a big chunk of cylinders is, would you believe it? 1917 Tomi Tomi Hawaiian Music Toots Paka's Hawaiians... I could be convinced. -Bob On 1/27/10 11:51 AM, "harvey kravitz" wrote: > Hi John, I thought that I was the only one who collected Hawaiian music. I was > stationed in Hawaii when I was in the Navy and all over the Pacific. I always > have a soft spot for Hawaiian and Polynesian music. Listening to the reminds > me of the good times I had over there. I'll look through my cylinders and see > if I have a duplicate. Harvey Kravitz > > > > > ________________________________ > From: john robles > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 12:25:46 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 > > Ok all you big time collectors out there, I am seeking - yes - a Hawaiian Blue > Amberol. It is number 1917 entitled Tomi Tomi. If anyone has a copy I'd gladly > purchase it. I know you're all hoarding those precious Hawaiian records..... > :-) > I love Hawaiian music and I play in a Hawaiian group, and am looking for Hula > records, and 1917 is one of them. > Thanks > John Robles > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From leroybarco at abq.com Fri Jan 29 02:43:20 2010 From: leroybarco at abq.com (Leroy Barco) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:43:20 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 - Robert Hovanes In-Reply-To: <136054.61661.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <61090095-1264727388-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-35821388-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <136054.61661.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John, Did you get my email that I have Tom Tomi on Diamond Disc? I seem to have no record in my mail folders that I even composed it much less sent it. Thanks, LeRoy leroybarco at abq.com On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:34 PM, john robles wrote: > Hi Bob > Can you please send your email address? I'd like to negotiate.... :-) > Thanks > John > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "john9ten at pacbell.net" > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 5:12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 > > Ooooh could you? I have some choice non hawaiian trades as well as cash. > I'll contact you when I get home. > ------Original Message------ > From: Robert Hovanes > Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org > To: Antique Phonograph List > ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 > Sent: Jan 28, 2010 4:17 AM > > Hello. My name is Bob Hovanes out of Seattle. I'm new to the list and also > a > newby collector. ...and in my first purchase of a big chunk of cylinders > is, > would you believe it? 1917 Tomi Tomi Hawaiian Music Toots Paka's > Hawaiians... I could be convinced. > > -Bob > > > On 1/27/10 11:51 AM, "harvey kravitz" wrote: > > > Hi John, I thought that I was the only one who collected Hawaiian music. > I was > > stationed in Hawaii when I was in the Navy and all over the Pacific. I > always > > have a soft spot for Hawaiian and Polynesian music. Listening to the > reminds > > me of the good times I had over there. I'll look through my cylinders and > see > > if I have a duplicate. Harvey Kravitz > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: john robles > > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 12:25:46 AM > > Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 > > > > Ok all you big time collectors out there, I am seeking - yes - a Hawaiian > Blue > > Amberol. It is number 1917 entitled Tomi Tomi. If anyone has a copy I'd > gladly > > purchase it. I know you're all hoarding those precious Hawaiian > records..... > > :-) > > I love Hawaiian music and I play in a Hawaiian group, and am looking for > Hula > > records, and 1917 is one of them. > > Thanks > > John Robles > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From john9ten at pacbell.net Fri Jan 29 04:41:13 2010 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:41:13 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 - Robert Hovanes In-Reply-To: References: <61090095-1264727388-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-35821388-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><136054.61661.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1615535748-1264768705-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1849811827-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hi Leroy Yes I did. I actually just won that disc on eBay, but then I discovered that the song was available on blue amberol, which I prefer. Thanks! John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Leroy Barco Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:43:20 To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 - Robert Hovanes John, Did you get my email that I have Tom Tomi on Diamond Disc? I seem to have no record in my mail folders that I even composed it much less sent it. Thanks, LeRoy leroybarco at abq.com On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:34 PM, john robles wrote: > Hi Bob > Can you please send your email address? I'd like to negotiate.... :-) > Thanks > John > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "john9ten at pacbell.net" > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 5:12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 > > Ooooh could you? I have some choice non hawaiian trades as well as cash. > I'll contact you when I get home. > ------Original Message------ > From: Robert Hovanes > Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org > To: Antique Phonograph List > ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 > Sent: Jan 28, 2010 4:17 AM > > Hello. My name is Bob Hovanes out of Seattle. I'm new to the list and also > a > newby collector. ...and in my first purchase of a big chunk of cylinders > is, > would you believe it? 1917 Tomi Tomi Hawaiian Music Toots Paka's > Hawaiians... I could be convinced. > > -Bob > > > On 1/27/10 11:51 AM, "harvey kravitz" wrote: > > > Hi John, I thought that I was the only one who collected Hawaiian music. > I was > > stationed in Hawaii when I was in the Navy and all over the Pacific. I > always > > have a soft spot for Hawaiian and Polynesian music. Listening to the > reminds > > me of the good times I had over there. I'll look through my cylinders and > see > > if I have a duplicate. Harvey Kravitz > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: john robles > > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 12:25:46 AM > > Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Blue Amberola 1917 > > > > Ok all you big time collectors out there, I am seeking - yes - a Hawaiian > Blue > > Amberol. It is number 1917 entitled Tomi Tomi. If anyone has a copy I'd > gladly > > purchase it. I know you're all hoarding those precious Hawaiian > records..... > > :-) > > I love Hawaiian music and I play in a Hawaiian group, and am looking for > Hula > > records, and 1917 is one of them. > > Thanks > > John Robles > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From filerphono at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 29 17:19:16 2010 From: filerphono at bellsouth.net (Joe Filer) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:19:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Phono-L] Another Victor Adv Clock on Fleabay Message-ID: <100729.2104.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> So, what do the experts think on this old clock. Most will agree it's an old Sessions clock, but what about the graphics? Real or ??? I think this one is real, and would love to own it, but I'm no expert Joe http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-SESSIONS-MINI-REGULATOR-VICTOR-ADVERTISING_W0QQitemZ190368038532QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c52d1be84 From tomj33 at msn.com Fri Jan 29 18:13:11 2010 From: tomj33 at msn.com (Tom Jordan) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:13:11 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Another Victor Adv Clock on Fleabay In-Reply-To: <100729.2104.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <100729.2104.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I took a close look at the case and the bottom of it looks a bit suspect to me. The two scrolls and back board they attach to look like they've been replaced or added later. Notice where the scroll attaches to the backboard on the right side. It looks like when it was glued up they didn't wipe all of the glues off before finishing it. The stain didn't take in one place. I'm speaking only as an experienced woodworker, not an expert on clocks. Tom -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Joe Filer Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:19 PM To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Another Victor Adv Clock on Fleabay So, what do the experts think on this old clock. Most will agree it's an old Sessions clock, but what about the graphics? Real or ??? I think this one is real, and would love to own it, but I'm no expert Joe http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-SESSIONS-MINI-REGULATOR-VICTOR-ADVERTISING_W0QQitem Z190368038532QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c52d1be84 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From gpaul2000 at aol.com Fri Jan 29 19:19:00 2010 From: gpaul2000 at aol.com (gpaul2000 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:19:00 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Another Victor Adv Clock on Fleabay In-Reply-To: <100729.2104.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <100729.2104.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC6F721A06541A-633C-8D2D@webmail-m100.sysops.aol.com> Well, I'm no clock "expert," but for several reasons, I believe this one to be a fake. There have been a number of phony advertising clocks popping up on eBay over the past few years, and I'd suggest extreme caution whenever considering one. I'd enumerate my reasons, but I don't want to inadvertently assist whoever is behind these fakes. The workmanship is already too convincing! Best to all, George P. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Filer To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Jan 29, 2010 8:19 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Another Victor Adv Clock on Fleabay So, what do the experts think on this old clock. Most will agree it's an old Sessions clock, but what about the graphics? Real or ??? I think this one is real, and would love to own it, but I'm no expert Joe http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-SESSIONS-MINI-REGULATOR-VICTOR-ADVERTISING_W0QQitemZ190368038532QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c52d1be84 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From nipper at dataex.com Sat Jan 30 08:05:55 2010 From: nipper at dataex.com (Robin & Joan Rolfs) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:05:55 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Another Victor Adv Clock on Fleabay References: <100729.2104.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CC6F721A06541A-633C-8D2D@webmail-m100.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <02ABED7FAFA541BBBB346F07A3370815@owner094cc0223> Greetings, We just arrived back from the Orlando Phonograph Show. The show was well attended, sales were brisk and new collectors were in attendance. We hope to post photos from the show and our visit to Ft. Meyers on the WIMAPS website within a week. We will keep you posted. In regard to the Victor Advertising Clock, I would really question this item. It would be nice if it had some kind of provenance. In our research for the Nipper Collectibles book we found no such clock advertised to dealers in "The Voice of the Victor" magazines for dealers. We also have not seen these clocks in vintage store photographs. When we did our research at the Johnson Victrola Museum in Dover, Delaware we specifically looked for photos or written evidence of these types of clocks and did not find anything to report. We are working on a Nipper Collectibles update of additional items which will be in an e-book format on a CD. If anyone has Nipper items not found in the Nipper Collectibles book we published, we would appreciate having you sharing them for the update. Happy Collecting to all. Robin & Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sat Jan 30 14:35:21 2010 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:35:21 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Another Victor Adv Clock on Fleabay In-Reply-To: <02ABED7FAFA541BBBB346F07A3370815@owner094cc0223> References: <100729.2104.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CC6F721A06541A-633C-8D2D@webmail-m100.sysops.aol.com> <02ABED7FAFA541BBBB346F07A3370815@owner094cc0223> Message-ID: <4B64B429.8000702@octoxol.com> It is possible that some shop owner commissioned a local sign painter to decorate a clock for use in their store. If this was the case then there should be documentation of this fact. Lacking this documentation or at least a chemical analysis of the paint used in the sign on the glass to demonstrate that it was a period formula I would consider the clock worth what a well used junior regulator is worth. If the label on the back of the clock does not match the paint condition on the glass I would suspect that the painting on teh glass is recent. From the description the label and glass painting conditions do not match. And there was no mention of any documentation. Robin & Joan Rolfs wrote: > Greetings, > > We just arrived back from the Orlando Phonograph Show. The show was well > attended, sales were brisk and new collectors were in attendance. We hope > to post photos from the show and our visit to Ft. Meyers on the WIMAPS > website within a week. We will keep you posted. > > In regard to the Victor Advertising Clock, I would really question this > item. It would be nice if it had some kind of provenance. > In our research for the Nipper Collectibles book we found no such clock > advertised to dealers in "The Voice of the Victor" magazines for dealers. > We also have not seen these clocks in vintage store photographs. When we > did > our research at the Johnson Victrola Museum in Dover, Delaware we > specifically looked for photos or written evidence of these types of clocks > and did not find anything to report. > > We are working on a Nipper Collectibles update of additional items which > will be in an e-book format on a CD. > If anyone has Nipper items not found in the Nipper Collectibles book we > published, we would appreciate having you sharing them for the update. > > Happy Collecting to all. > > Robin & Joan Rolfs > Visit us at: > www.audioantique.com > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From chrisk33 at cox.net Sat Jan 30 21:22:00 2010 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:22:00 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Some 7-inch Berliners on eBay Message-ID: <4B651378.2070707@cox.net> Just a note that I've posted three 7-inch Berliner records on eBay, with a few more to follow eventually. These are earlier than my other records and don't fit my interests, and I don't want to attempt to play them on what I have. You can search on "7-inch Berliner Gramophone Phonograph Record." Best, Chris From RROCRREC at aol.com Sun Jan 31 11:03:48 2010 From: RROCRREC at aol.com (RROCRREC at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:03:48 EST Subject: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 15 Message-ID: <9f96.681ba9c2.38972e14@aol.com> Looking for a Model J Edison reproducer. Cash or interesting trades. Please reply off line to me at _RROCRREC at aol.com_ (mailto:RROCRREC at aol.com) . Larry Hawes From jeffryy at prevea.com Sun Jan 31 12:06:07 2010 From: jeffryy at prevea.com (Jeffry Young, D.O.) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:06:07 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Another Victor Adv Clock on Fleabay In-Reply-To: <100729.2104.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <100729.2104.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA0710@mercury.prevea.com> Actually, the link in the last e-mail said that the auction was removed. This link still worked..... Sorry! Jeff Wisconsin -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Joe Filer Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:19 PM To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Another Victor Adv Clock on Fleabay So, what do the experts think on this old clock. Most will agree it's an old Sessions clock, but what about the graphics? Real or ??? I think this one is real, and would love to own it, but I'm no expert Joe http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-SESSIONS-MINI-REGULATOR-VICTOR-ADVERTISING_W0QQ itemZ190368038532QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c52d1be 84 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jeffryy at prevea.com Sun Jan 31 12:04:49 2010 From: jeffryy at prevea.com (Jeffry Young, D.O.) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:04:49 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Another Victor Adv Clock on Fleabay In-Reply-To: References: <100729.2104.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA070F@mercury.prevea.com> The auction is no longer available. It has been removed. Jeff Wisconsin -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 8:13 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Another Victor Adv Clock on Fleabay I took a close look at the case and the bottom of it looks a bit suspect to me. The two scrolls and back board they attach to look like they've been replaced or added later. Notice where the scroll attaches to the backboard on the right side. It looks like when it was glued up they didn't wipe all of the glues off before finishing it. The stain didn't take in one place. I'm speaking only as an experienced woodworker, not an expert on clocks. Tom -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Joe Filer Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:19 PM To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Another Victor Adv Clock on Fleabay So, what do the experts think on this old clock. Most will agree it's an old Sessions clock, but what about the graphics? Real or ??? I think this one is real, and would love to own it, but I'm no expert Joe http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-SESSIONS-MINI-REGULATOR-VICTOR-ADVERTISING_W0QQ item Z190368038532QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c52d1be84 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jeffryy at prevea.com Sun Jan 31 12:16:56 2010 From: jeffryy at prevea.com (Jeffry Young, D.O.) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:16:56 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Another Victor Adv Clock on Fleabay In-Reply-To: <100729.2104.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <100729.2104.qm@web180714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA0711@mercury.prevea.com> Okay. Look closely at the photos. The gallery (the top) of the clock is either oak crown molding, or more likely, it is the BASE of an eight day kitchen clock turned upside down! I agree that the base is a complete fabrication. Also, the picture that shows the dial ring close up shows NEW wood. The stain is completely wrong, and also would have been one piece of wood. That is not a "crack." The advertising on the glass is not detailed enough, and also in too good of shape for the patina of the rest of the clock. It looks like a cheap decal! Lastly, when have you ever seen a Sessions wall clock that looks anything like this? I vote note only fake, but complete fabrication! God help the winner! Jeff Wisconsin -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Joe Filer Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:19 PM To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Another Victor Adv Clock on Fleabay So, what do the experts think on this old clock. Most will agree it's an old Sessions clock, but what about the graphics? Real or ??? I think this one is real, and would love to own it, but I'm no expert Joe http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-SESSIONS-MINI-REGULATOR-VICTOR-ADVERTISING_W0QQ itemZ190368038532QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c52d1be 84 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org