From lherault at bu.edu Fri May 1 05:58:23 2009 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Fri May 1 05:59:22 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem In-Reply-To: <410-2200955144854390@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200955144854390@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003601c9ca5c$83038de0$5cd6299b@ad.bu.edu> I actually did tear the motor apart a second time, including removing the springs to insure that I didn't inadvertently capture a cat or some other foreign material in the springs. This credenza motor is the first one I've seen this way. It is impossible to reassemble the springs into the cans in correctly. You are probably familiar with springs that catch onto a rivet. Some have a rivet hole on the outer end and inner end. They can be assembled either clockwise or counter clockwise and look correct but when you wind it, the rivet will unhook from the spring, most likely catch the back of the hole or maybe the very end of the spring and try to push the spring the other way, resulting in very obvious damage. Some springs have a crimped inner end instead of the rivet there but still have a rivet on the outside. If this type is assembled incorrectly, I believe the crimp will just push out and the center arbor will spin around without much damage. The system on the motor I have in front of me has the crimped inner part. However, the outer part is just the very end of the spring bent over in a U shape. Touch the palm of your hand with your fingertips. Now relax them a bit. This U catches a long flat plate, which is attached to the spring barrel and with one side slightly bend up. It does not move and the U will only catch on it one way. It cannot be hooked on backwards. Neat, huh? And it is probably cheaper to assemble, if not manufacture. The outer parts of the can were marked so that they could not be transposed. Ron -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Houston Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 12:49 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem I've been watching this thread, and dagnab it, I still have my aged mind mde up that sumpin' is together bass-ackwards. The only way to ever find out is to take the thing apart again and re-construct the assembly. I haven't studied the effects of having a spring in backwards, so my theories may not mean anything. You realize that this thing is going to have me losing sleep. I'll need to swallow a Melatonin tonight just to have peace! You can bet your sweet bippy that, when I reassemble the 4 spring motor for a VV-XIV I have, that I'll ponder over every part of that thing. BTW, I have heard that white lithium grease is good stuff for these motors. Have you ever heard otherwise? There's a spare 4 spring motor laying around here someplace, and I'd even use it to check on myself when I put the other one together. Seriously, Ron, you wouldn't have to remove any springs from the barrels if you want to check on yourself. If you just remove the barrels from the shafts and the hubs, you can see readily, which way the spring winds up in each end of the barrel. That way, you'll prove conclusively, that I'm wrong. > [Original Message] > From: Ron L'Herault > To: Antique Phonograph List > Date: 4/30/2009 11:46:43 PM > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > They did, indeed feel stiff and winding seems normal. It is gear reduction > winding on this type motor, not direct so winding is easy. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Bob > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:05 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > When you put the springs back did they feal realy stiff? Does it seem to > have good tension when you wind it? I don't know if this will help, but I > would let it run down completely and then count the number of turns to get > it fully wound. Then ask someone with a Credenza with a good 4 spring motor > > to do the same and compare the results I didn't see Georges sugestion. > What was it? > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron L" > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:28 PM > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > > > The owner of the machine said that even with the thump, it played more > > than > > three sides. However, the thump was so bad at one point that the needle > > jumped. I winder if it was so bound up that one or more of the springs > > acted as if they were smaller/under more tension and so powered the motor > > longer but not the full 20 min. I also suspected that the springs may > > have > > 'softened' over time but I will try George Vollema's gear suggestion > > before > > I do anything else. > > > > Ron L > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] > > On > > Behalf Of Bob > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:56 AM > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > > > Ron, > > Did you wind it fully and play it before you changed the grease to > > eliminate the thumping? If so how long did it play? A good four spring > > motor should run about 20 minutes. If it didn't, it's possible that the > > springs have lost some temper and are weak. The only other possibility > > is > > > > a bad record or needle but I'm sure you thought of that. > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron L" > > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > > > > >>I do have an electric C. This is a repair for someone else. The neat > >> thing about the clip end/bent end springs is that it is impossible to > >> assemble them into the cans in the wrong direction. It is easy to mess > >> them up when you have rivets in the cans and holes on the springs. They > >> do > >> not wind up, and in fact will distort the spring centers, with the real > >> potential for breaking them. > >> > >> Ron L > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] > >> On > >> Behalf Of Douglas Houston > >> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:05 AM > >> To: Antique Phonograph List > >> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > >> > >> This is a sticky one. I have a long shot thought. Victor has a procedure > >> in > >> the service notes, that tells you whichn spring to load in the barrel, > >> and > >> its direction of winding.Is it possible that one of the springs could > >> have > >> nbeen installed in reverse? I'm not even sure if the motor could be > >> nwound > >> if that were done, but as I've said, it's a long shot. > >> > >> I have one of those 4 spring jobs apart now, and I've got to study the > >> thing a lot before I re-pack the springs. > >> > >> (Maybe if you got one of those electric Credenzas like I have, you > >> wouldn't > >> have this mess!!!!) > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Doug. Houston > >> > >> > >>> [Original Message] > >>> From: Ron L'Herault > >>> To: Antique Phonograph List ; > >> > >>> Date: 4/29/2009 10:55:02 PM > >>> Subject: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > >>> > >>> Hokay, list experts. I need help. The original problem was thumping > >>> springs. So, you take them out (done that many times) clean them, and > >>> reinstall/relube. This should be pretty straight forward. And these are > >> the > >>> ones with the clip outer ends and bent over inner ends. They only go > >>> together one way. It winds up fine but only plays 4 sides before it > >> starts > >>> to loose power and slow down when you try to play the 5th side. > >>> Sometimes > >>> it makes a bit of a scraping sound but nothing is hitting the turntable. > >>> What have I missed? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Ron L > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Phono-L mailing list > >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.10/2088 - Release Date: 04/30/09 > > 06:01:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.10/2088 - Release Date: 04/30/09 > 06:01:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From msprinzen at juno.com Fri May 1 05:41:25 2009 From: msprinzen at juno.com (Merle Sprinzen) Date: Fri May 1 08:59:06 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Upstart competitor to *Bay Message-ID: <20090501.115801.1644.6.msprinzen@juno.com> I've just learned about a new site that hopes to be a forum for buying and selling the more unusual... Here's a link: www.bonanzle.com. It's not very robust yet, but people need to discover and use it. And then who knows what it might become!?! I have no vested interest in it, other than finding some other way to sell items without *Bay's increasingly onerous terms. ____________________________________________________________ Prices, software, charts & analysis. Click here to open your online FX trading account. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIyVkSkYjLvUpWZoKKVUye7KTKmjaY5y3zzs9PLMnvFiSNIl3UFmI/ From john9ten at pacbell.net Fri May 1 09:14:45 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Fri May 1 09:14:50 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Upstart competitor to *Bay In-Reply-To: <20090501.115801.1644.6.msprinzen@juno.com> Message-ID: <301844.97596.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very interesting site! I hope they make it without turning into the corporate greed monster that eBay's become. --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Merle Sprinzen wrote: From: Merle Sprinzen Subject: [Phono-L] Upstart competitor to *Bay To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:41 AM I've just learned about a new site that hopes to be a forum for buying and selling the more unusual... Here's a link: www.bonanzle.com. It's not very robust yet, but people need to discover and use it. And then who knows what it might become!?! I have no vested interest in it, other than finding some other way to sell items without *Bay's increasingly onerous terms. ____________________________________________________________ Prices, software, charts & analysis. Click here to open your online FX trading account. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIyVkSkYjLvUpWZoKKVUye7KTKmjaY5y3zzs9PLMnvFiSNIl3UFmI/ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Fri May 1 10:25:23 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Fri May 1 10:25:31 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem In-Reply-To: <410-2200955144854390@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200955144854390@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I have heard white lithium grease is too light. > From: cdh041@earthlink.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 00:48:54 -0400 > > I've been watching this thread, and dagnab it, I still have my aged mind > mde up that sumpin' is together bass-ackwards. The only way to ever find > out is to take the thing apart again and re-construct the assembly. I > haven't studied the effects of having a spring in backwards, so my theories > may not mean anything. You realize that this thing is going to have me > losing sleep. I'll need to swallow a Melatonin tonight just to have peace! > > You can bet your sweet bippy that, when I reassemble the 4 spring motor for > a VV-XIV I have, that I'll ponder over every part of that thing. BTW, I > have heard that white lithium grease is good stuff for these motors. Have > you ever heard otherwise? > > There's a spare 4 spring motor laying around here someplace, and I'd even > use it to check on myself when I put the other one together. > > Seriously, Ron, you wouldn't have to remove any springs from the barrels if > you want to check on yourself. If you just remove the barrels from the > shafts and the hubs, you can see readily, which way the spring winds up in > each end of the barrel. That way, you'll prove conclusively, that I'm > wrong. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Ron L'Herault > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > Date: 4/30/2009 11:46:43 PM > > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > > > They did, indeed feel stiff and winding seems normal. It is gear > reduction > > winding on this type motor, not direct so winding is easy. > > > > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] > On > > Behalf Of Bob > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:05 PM > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > > > When you put the springs back did they feal realy stiff? Does it seem > to > > have good tension when you wind it? I don't know if this will help, but > I > > would let it run down completely and then count the number of turns to > get > > it fully wound. Then ask someone with a Credenza with a good 4 spring > motor > > > > to do the same and compare the results I didn't see Georges sugestion. > > What was it? > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron L" > > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:28 PM > > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > > > > > > The owner of the machine said that even with the thump, it played more > > > than > > > three sides. However, the thump was so bad at one point that the needle > > > jumped. I winder if it was so bound up that one or more of the springs > > > acted as if they were smaller/under more tension and so powered the > motor > > > longer but not the full 20 min. I also suspected that the springs may > > > have > > > 'softened' over time but I will try George Vollema's gear suggestion > > > before > > > I do anything else. > > > > > > Ron L > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org > [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] > > > On > > > Behalf Of Bob > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:56 AM > > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > > > > > Ron, > > > Did you wind it fully and play it before you changed the grease to > > > eliminate the thumping? If so how long did it play? A good four spring > > > motor should run about 20 minutes. If it didn't, it's possible that the > > > springs have lost some temper and are weak. The only other > possibility > > > is > > > > > > a bad record or needle but I'm sure you thought of that. > > > Bob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron L" > > > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:47 AM > > > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > > > > > > > >>I do have an electric C. This is a repair for someone else. The neat > > >> thing about the clip end/bent end springs is that it is impossible to > > >> assemble them into the cans in the wrong direction. It is easy to > mess > > >> them up when you have rivets in the cans and holes on the springs. > They > > >> do > > >> not wind up, and in fact will distort the spring centers, with the real > > >> potential for breaking them. > > >> > > >> Ron L > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org > [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] > > >> On > > >> Behalf Of Douglas Houston > > >> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:05 AM > > >> To: Antique Phonograph List > > >> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > >> > > >> This is a sticky one. I have a long shot thought. Victor has a > procedure > > >> in > > >> the service notes, that tells you whichn spring to load in the barrel, > > >> and > > >> its direction of winding.Is it possible that one of the springs could > > >> have > > >> nbeen installed in reverse? I'm not even sure if the motor could be > > >> nwound > > >> if that were done, but as I've said, it's a long shot. > > >> > > >> I have one of those 4 spring jobs apart now, and I've got to study the > > >> thing a lot before I re-pack the springs. > > >> > > >> (Maybe if you got one of those electric Credenzas like I have, you > > >> wouldn't > > >> have this mess!!!!) > > >> > > >> Cheers > > >> > > >> Doug. Houston > > >> > > >> > > >>> [Original Message] > > >>> From: Ron L'Herault > > >>> To: Antique Phonograph List ; > > >> > > >>> Date: 4/29/2009 10:55:02 PM > > >>> Subject: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > > >>> > > >>> Hokay, list experts. I need help. The original problem was thumping > > >>> springs. So, you take them out (done that many times) clean them, and > > >>> reinstall/relube. This should be pretty straight forward. And these > are > > >> the > > >>> ones with the clip outer ends and bent over inner ends. They only go > > >>> together one way. It winds up fine but only plays 4 sides before it > > >> starts > > >>> to loose power and slow down when you try to play the 5th side. > > >>> Sometimes > > >>> it makes a bit of a scraping sound but nothing is hitting the > turntable. > > >>> What have I missed? > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> > > >>> Ron L > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Phono-L mailing list > > >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Phono-L mailing list > > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Phono-L mailing list > > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.10/2088 - Release Date: > 04/30/09 > > > 06:01:00 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.10/2088 - Release Date: > 04/30/09 > > 06:01:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Fri May 1 13:37:21 2009 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Fri May 1 13:34:47 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Upstart competitor to *Bay Message-ID: interesting alternative to ebay the biggest problem i have with ebay is that they dont have to guts to stand up to irs in our material for future tax scrutiny the irs is making paypal and ebay show sales over 20 k or 200 transactions irs also wanted renters to issues 1099s to their land lords this is just two items they were trying to get passed and on the books by 2011 also all stock sales will be reported to irs with both sales and cost basis no more fooling big brother lol zono In a message dated 5/1/2009 1:16:47 P.M. 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In-Reply-To: <5156B37FF49A42EFAA185D9DCA3D6273@New> References: <410-2200955144854390@earthlink.net> <5156B37FF49A42EFAA185D9DCA3D6273@New> Message-ID: <8CB98C36F99CDDE-16B4-880@webmail-dx03.sysops.aol.com> I've seen A-80s with the same interior panels - - evidently the earliest B-80s had them too. George P. -----Original Message----- From: DanKj To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Fri, 1 May 2009 5:18 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Edison B-80 Variant? This B-80 appears to have panels inside to make the space more 'horn shaped'. Was done by the Edison factory or a tinkerer? My B-80 isn't this way. I assume this was done in an attempt to better project the sound.? ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250387732679? ? _______________________________________________? Phono-L mailing list? http://phono-l.oldcrank.org? From ahunter01 at comcast.net Fri May 1 15:47:19 2009 From: ahunter01 at comcast.net (Aaron Hunter) Date: Fri May 1 15:55:38 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 106 In-Reply-To: <20090430190005.6062D6F479C@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> References: <20090430190005.6062D6F479C@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Message-ID: <49FB7BF7.6070102@comcast.net> Ron > My question would be, did it play longer before you took it apart? I've seen short springs in the 4 spring motors so you wouldn't get the longer play that you would expect. You would have to replace them with longer springs. Sorry, don't remember the lengths. The short, weak springs in mine won't even play a worn record through without stopping. Yet I can get 4 to 5 plays on good records. Get out the stethoscope (or long screwdriver) to find the scraping sound. Could be an improperly assembled barrel. Does it make the noise with the turntable removed? > Aaron Hunter > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:54:18 -0400 > From: "Ron L'Herault" > Subject: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" , > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hokay, list experts. I need help. The original problem was thumping > springs. So, you take them out (done that many times) clean them, and > reinstall/relube. This should be pretty straight forward. And these are the > ones with the clip outer ends and bent over inner ends. They only go > together one way. It winds up fine but only plays 4 sides before it starts > to loose power and slow down when you try to play the 5th side. Sometimes > it makes a bit of a scraping sound but nothing is hitting the turntable. > What have I missed? > > Thanks, > > Ron L > > From abefeder1 at gmail.com Fri May 1 17:17:37 2009 From: abefeder1 at gmail.com (Abe Feder) Date: Fri May 1 17:17:43 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison B-80 Variant? In-Reply-To: <8CB98C36F99CDDE-16B4-880@webmail-dx03.sysops.aol.com> References: <410-2200955144854390@earthlink.net> <5156B37FF49A42EFAA185D9DCA3D6273@New> <8CB98C36F99CDDE-16B4-880@webmail-dx03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4e885f140905011717v6b8fe8c5l930d68047a2861e6@mail.gmail.com> That is the way my oak B-80 is as well-the panels fit well and seem to be factory original. Abe Feder On 5/1/09, gpaul2000@aol.com wrote: > > I've seen A-80s with the same interior panels - - evidently the earliest > B-80s had them too. > > George P. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DanKj > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Fri, 1 May 2009 5:18 pm > Subject: [Phono-L] Edison B-80 Variant? > > > > > > > > > > This B-80 appears to have panels inside to make the space more 'horn > shaped'. Was > done by the Edison factory or a tinkerer? My B-80 isn't this way. I > assume this > was done in an attempt to better project the sound.? > ? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250387732679? > ? > > > _______________________________________________? > > Phono-L mailing list? > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From lherault at bu.edu Fri May 1 19:28:32 2009 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Fri May 1 19:29:02 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 106 In-Reply-To: <49FB7BF7.6070102@comcast.net> References: <20090430190005.6062D6F479C@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> <49FB7BF7.6070102@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54BCEEC690284BC5AF17F97F46D17AA6@ronlherault> The scraping sound has been cured. I too only get 4-5 plays before it slows and it does bog down on a worn Brunswick disk. It is beginning to sound like weak springs more than anything else now. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Hunter Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:47 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 106 Ron > My question would be, did it play longer before you took it apart? I've seen short springs in the 4 spring motors so you wouldn't get the longer play that you would expect. You would have to replace them with longer springs. Sorry, don't remember the lengths. The short, weak springs in mine won't even play a worn record through without stopping. Yet I can get 4 to 5 plays on good records. Get out the stethoscope (or long screwdriver) to find the scraping sound. Could be an improperly assembled barrel. Does it make the noise with the turntable removed? > Aaron Hunter > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:54:18 -0400 > From: "Ron L'Herault" > Subject: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" , > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hokay, list experts. I need help. The original problem was thumping > springs. So, you take them out (done that many times) clean them, and > reinstall/relube. This should be pretty straight forward. And these are the > ones with the clip outer ends and bent over inner ends. They only go > together one way. It winds up fine but only plays 4 sides before it starts > to loose power and slow down when you try to play the 5th side. Sometimes > it makes a bit of a scraping sound but nothing is hitting the turntable. > What have I missed? > > Thanks, > > Ron L > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Fri May 1 19:36:38 2009 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Fri May 1 19:37:19 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] For Sale! In-Reply-To: <669564.42880.qm@web37002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <669564.42880.qm@web37002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49fbb1d7.1f588c0a.2237.7c38@mx.google.com> Mr. Jerry, Have you sold the nickeled horn yet? How wide is it? If I get really desperate for cash, I could always sell my Symphony horn, and replace it temporarily with this (talk me out of it). Do I owe you any money for the decal? Just Jay -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:31 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] For Sale! I am selling the following: 1) Triumph A, 2&4 min, Diamond B reproducer, excellent original finish & decal with a dealer plate "James K. O'Dea / 117 Ellison St. Patterson N. J., $1300. 2) Col BE, with original crane & beautiful red flowered M/G horn, excellent original finish & decal & nickel deck, $900. 3) Standard open works disk machine, excellent & all original, $700. 4) Zonophone Grand, rear mount, excellent all brass horn, nice oak cabinet but decal is weak (I'll refinish if preferred), $1200. 5) Gem B, converted 2&4 minute, good original paint & striping, H reproducer, original 10" cone horn, spring is broken and it has no lid, $350. 6) Columbia eleven panel nickeled screw in horn. This is the big horn for a Col BY, etc. It's in very nice original condition and it's $450. 7) Floor crane - original floor crane, complete, and it's $150. 8) Auditorium horn- very nice all brass auditorium horn in very nice condition with few dings and a beautiful old patina to the brass. The info on the hanger says it was made by the Standard Metal Mfg. Co. Newark, N.J. $200. 9) Columbia Q in original wooden packing box and the remains of the cardboard cover. It has an original 10" cone horn and is $350. 10) Gem A lid only- has a nice banner decal. $75 (I'd love to trade for a Gem B lid!!!!!) I'll sell all of the above for $5000 and I'm happy to send photos of individual items and I'm happy to deliver to Union. If interested, please contact me off list or call 541-990-0781. Thanks, Jerry Blais _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.3/2076 - Release Date: 4/23/2009 6:30 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 4/30/2009 5:53 PM From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Fri May 1 20:42:47 2009 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Fri May 1 20:42:54 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison B-80 Variant? In-Reply-To: <4e885f140905011717v6b8fe8c5l930d68047a2861e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <54923.47077.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I never saw this type of B-80 before. Does anybody know the purpose of the panels? Harvey Kravitz --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Abe Feder wrote: From: Abe Feder Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison B-80 Variant? To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:17 PM That is the way my oak B-80 is as well-the panels fit well and seem to be factory original. Abe Feder On 5/1/09, gpaul2000@aol.com wrote: > > I've seen A-80s with the same interior panels - - evidently the earliest > B-80s had them too. > > George P. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DanKj > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Fri, 1 May 2009 5:18 pm > Subject: [Phono-L] Edison B-80 Variant? > > > > > > > > > > This B-80 appears to have panels inside to make the space more 'horn > shaped'. Was > done by the Edison factory or a tinkerer? My B-80 isn't this way. I > assume this > was done in an attempt to better project the sound.? > ? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250387732679? > ? > > > _______________________________________________? > > Phono-L mailing list? > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Fri May 1 20:52:30 2009 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Fri May 1 20:52:36 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BH Message-ID: <652103.48985.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I just recently bought a Columbia BH. It has some unusual parts to it. The back bracket is cast Iron plated in brass. It may have been nickel plated. These brackets are usually painted black with gold stripes. The arm is solid brass, and probably was nickel plated. These arms are usually aluminum. In fact the parts are brass plated with the nickel plating stripped off. I'm puzzled about the tone arm and back bracket. Any help or insight will be greatly appreciated. Thank you Harvey Kravitz From smille1 at nycap.rr.com Fri May 1 17:53:58 2009 From: smille1 at nycap.rr.com (Sean Miller) Date: Fri May 1 21:09:11 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison B-80 Variant? In-Reply-To: <4e885f140905011717v6b8fe8c5l930d68047a2861e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <410-2200955144854390@earthlink.net> <5156B37FF49A42EFAA185D9DCA3D6273@New> <8CB98C36F99CDDE-16B4-880@webmail-dx03.sysops.aol.com> <4e885f140905011717v6b8fe8c5l930d68047a2861e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001e01c9cac0$7ed4d9e0$7c7e8da0$@rr.com> Yes, same with my B-80... Sean -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Abe Feder Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:18 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison B-80 Variant? That is the way my oak B-80 is as well-the panels fit well and seem to be factory original. Abe Feder On 5/1/09, gpaul2000@aol.com wrote: > > I've seen A-80s with the same interior panels - - evidently the earliest > B-80s had them too. > > George P. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DanKj > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Fri, 1 May 2009 5:18 pm > Subject: [Phono-L] Edison B-80 Variant? > > > > > > > > > > This B-80 appears to have panels inside to make the space more 'horn > shaped'. Was > done by the Edison factory or a tinkerer? My B-80 isn't this way. I > assume this > was done in an attempt to better project the sound.? > ? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250387732679? > ? > > > _______________________________________________? > > Phono-L mailing list? > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From drboruff at aol.com Sat May 2 08:09:40 2009 From: drboruff at aol.com (drboruff@aol.com) Date: Sat May 2 08:15:10 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Source to Make Phono Gear ? Message-ID: <8CB994F266C3D96-1008-1E4E@webmail-dd10.sysops.aol.com> All, Does anyone know of a good source to?cut?a small?phono gear?or know of a manufacturer who might stock these types of gears for sale?? I'm in need of a 1 1/2", 36 tooth gear for a Columbia cylinder phono.? Any help or leads are appreciated. Thanks, Dave Boruff From 66pony at cox.net Sat May 2 10:21:07 2009 From: 66pony at cox.net (Eric Boyles) Date: Sat May 2 10:21:18 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Source to Make Phono Gear ? In-Reply-To: <8CB994F266C3D96-1008-1E4E@webmail-dd10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB994F266C3D96-1008-1E4E@webmail-dd10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49FC8103.1030609@cox.net> David Try www.smallparts.com.... they have a couple listed at 36T and 1-1/2" diameter......in brass..... Good luck! Eric drboruff@aol.com wrote: > All, > > Does anyone know of a good source to?cut?a small?phono gear?or know of a manufacturer who might stock these types of gears for sale?? I'm in need of a 1 1/2", 36 tooth gear for a Columbia cylinder phono.? Any help or leads are appreciated. > > Thanks, > Dave Boruff > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From 66pony at cox.net Sat May 2 10:22:11 2009 From: 66pony at cox.net (Eric Boyles) Date: Sat May 2 10:24:25 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Source to Make Phono Gear ? In-Reply-To: <49FC8103.1030609@cox.net> References: <8CB994F266C3D96-1008-1E4E@webmail-dd10.sysops.aol.com> <49FC8103.1030609@cox.net> Message-ID: <49FC8143.6010202@cox.net> It will be under power transmission--->gears......... Eric Boyles wrote: > David > Try www.smallparts.com.... they have a couple listed at 36T and 1-1/2" > diameter......in brass..... > > Good luck! > Eric > > > drboruff@aol.com wrote: >> All, >> >> Does anyone know of a good source to?cut?a small?phono gear?or know >> of a manufacturer who might stock these types of gears for sale?? I'm >> in need of a 1 1/2", 36 tooth gear for a Columbia cylinder phono.? >> Any help or leads are appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Dave Boruff >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From 66pony at cox.net Sat May 2 10:24:19 2009 From: 66pony at cox.net (Eric Boyles) Date: Sat May 2 10:26:35 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Source to Make Phono Gear ? In-Reply-To: <49FC8103.1030609@cox.net> References: <8CB994F266C3D96-1008-1E4E@webmail-dd10.sysops.aol.com> <49FC8103.1030609@cox.net> Message-ID: <49FC81C3.4080702@cox.net> Here is a url for one of the gears........ *http://tinyurl.com/c7svtc* Eric Boyles wrote: > David > Try www.smallparts.com.... they have a couple listed at 36T and 1-1/2" > diameter......in brass..... > > Good luck! > Eric > > > drboruff@aol.com wrote: >> All, >> >> Does anyone know of a good source to?cut?a small?phono gear?or know >> of a manufacturer who might stock these types of gears for sale?? I'm >> in need of a 1 1/2", 36 tooth gear for a Columbia cylinder phono.? >> Any help or leads are appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Dave Boruff >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From cdh041 at earthlink.net Sat May 2 18:30:11 2009 From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston) Date: Sat May 2 18:30:26 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Source to Make Phono Gear ? Message-ID: <410-2200950313011218@earthlink.net> Look into Boston Gear. They have a gigantic catalogue. Your chances of finding one on the shelf with them are very good. > [Original Message] > From: Eric Boyles <66pony@cox.net> > To: Antique Phonograph List > Date: 5/2/2009 1:43:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Source to Make Phono Gear ? > > It will be under power transmission--->gears......... > > Eric Boyles wrote: > > David > > Try www.smallparts.com.... they have a couple listed at 36T and 1-1/2" > > diameter......in brass..... > > > > Good luck! > > Eric > > > > > > drboruff@aol.com wrote: > >> All, > >> > >> Does anyone know of a good source to?cut?a small?phono gear?or know > >> of a manufacturer who might stock these types of gears for sale?? I'm > >> in need of a 1 1/2", 36 tooth gear for a Columbia cylinder phono.? > >> Any help or leads are appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Dave Boruff > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Sun May 3 16:21:46 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sun May 3 16:21:53 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water Message-ID: <45697.48065.qm@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Too bad I don't have a machine to put it on. Wasn't someone on the board looking for an Edison Needle Cut reproducer?? This one is brass, not pot metal! John Robles ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360151521216&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:US:1123 From Aph4990 at aol.com Sun May 3 17:41:37 2009 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990@aol.com) Date: Sun May 3 17:46:59 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water Message-ID: In a message dated 5/3/09 5:22:14 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, john9ten@pacbell.net writes: Too bad I don't have a machine to put it on. Wasn't someone on the board looking for an Edison Needle Cut reproducer?? This one is brass, not pot metal! John Robles http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360151521216&ssPageName=A DME:B:FSEL:US:1123 Hi John, This is the reproducer that came on the "uncatalogued" Edison needle-cut portable that was produced prior to the P-1 and P-2 models. I have one of these machines with that exact reproducer and it really is beautiful with a very heavy nickel finish just as you see in the offering on eBay. It's interesting that such a beautiful reproducer was placed on a machine with a really junky pot metal tonearm. It appears to me that the machine itself was made by the Prime Manufacturing Co. and Edison must have supplied only the reproducer. I've never before seen one in the original box. ---Art Heller **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Sun May 3 18:45:03 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Sun May 3 18:45:09 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <240604206.2626061241401503138.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> My goodness, that soundbox has to be the rarest of the rare. Let's keep an eye on this one, I wouldn't be surprised if it greatly exceeds the starting bid amount. ----- Original Message ----- From: Aph4990@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 8:41:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water In a message dated 5/3/09 5:22:14 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, john9ten@pacbell.net writes: Too bad I don't have a machine to put it on. Wasn't someone on the board looking for an Edison Needle Cut reproducer?? This one is brass, not pot metal! John Robles http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360151521216&ssPageName=A DME:B:FSEL:US:1123 Hi John, This is the reproducer that came on the "uncatalogued" Edison needle-cut portable that was produced prior to the P-1 and P-2 models. I have one of these machines with that exact reproducer and it really is beautiful with a very heavy nickel finish just as you see in the offering on eBay. It's interesting that such a beautiful reproducer was placed on a machine with a really junky pot metal tonearm. It appears to me that the machine itself was made by the Prime Manufacturing Co. and Edison must have supplied only the reproducer. I've never before seen one in the original box. ---Art Heller **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Sun May 3 19:15:15 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sun May 3 19:15:21 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water In-Reply-To: <240604206.2626061241401503138.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <240604206.2626061241401503138.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Bruce, It started at one cent, I bid $300 which met reserve. Someone had one at the Orlando show which he later put on eBay. I had thought it went for $475, but according to my records it did not meet reserve at $282. I keep records of unusual Edison reproducers on eBay like the special 2 minute model J which is also a rare bird. Edison all brass portable needle cut reproducer $282 RNM I would guess this one will go for $550 to $600 since it has the box and is in such good shape. I have seen at least one other on eBay on a machine so this is the third or fourth one I have seen on eBay. The rarest of the rare has to be the early, flat K weight type of the Model M reproducer. If anyone has one of these or the flat H weight type of model L let me know. This had a diaphragm similar to the first copper one found in the Model C. Photos sent upon request of the diaphragms or the L. steve_noreen@msn.com Steve > My goodness, that soundbox has to be the rarest of the rare. Let's keep an eye on this one, I wouldn't be surprised if it greatly exceeds the starting bid amount. From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Sun May 3 19:42:03 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Sun May 3 19:42:08 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1712396752.2636551241404923324.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Thanks for the info, best of luck in your quest, I hope you get it. Best Regards, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Medved" To: "Phono-l" Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 10:15:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water Hi Bruce, It started at one cent, I bid $300 which met reserve. Someone had one at the Orlando show which he later put on eBay. I had thought it went for $475, but according to my records it did not meet reserve at $282. I keep records of unusual Edison reproducers on eBay like the special 2 minute model J which is also a rare bird. Edison all brass portable needle cut reproducer $282 RNM I would guess this one will go for $550 to $600 since it has the box and is in such good shape. I have seen at least one other on eBay on a machine so this is the third or fourth one I have seen on eBay. The rarest of the rare has to be the early, flat K weight type of the Model M reproducer. If anyone has one of these or the flat H weight type of model L let me know. This had a diaphragm similar to the first copper one found in the Model C. Photos sent upon request of the diaphragms or the L. steve_noreen@msn.com Steve > My goodness, that soundbox has to be the rarest of the rare. Let's keep an eye on this one, I wouldn't be surprised if it greatly exceeds the starting bid amount. _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Mon May 4 09:46:23 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Mon May 4 09:46:28 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Upstart competitor to *Bay In-Reply-To: <20090501.115801.1644.6.msprinzen@juno.com> References: <20090501.115801.1644.6.msprinzen@juno.com> Message-ID: It appears to work on a buy it now or make offers. So far it has worked well for me, I got an Edison book for $4.50, on eBay it was $20. From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Mon May 4 11:05:37 2009 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Mon May 4 11:10:41 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: Ken is back in NH Message-ID: here is some good news on ken woodbury ____________________________________ From: ZONOPHONE2007 To: Zonophone2006 Sent: 5/4/2009 2:03:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Fwd: Ken is back in NH One more hello to everyone. I just heard more good news from Ken's other half. Fred has been through some anxious moments since April 19th. Ken is finally back in Keene, NH and is doing well. He'll need to stay in a rehab facility for about a week before returning to his own home and family: Jasmine, Cayenne, and Fred. Apparently his life and brain were saved when the NJ EMT crew packed him in ice, preventing his brain from overheating. No wonder it seemed to take much longer than usual for the professionals to attend to Ken on the floor of the PAL gym before eventually loading him into the ambulance. Fred says that Ken is in good spirits and is already making plans for the future. No doubt he will be hearing from quite a few of us while he improves. 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221797372x1201397989/aol?redir=https:%2F%2Fwww.freescore.com%2FOffers%2FStart%2FFreeCreditRepor tAndScore.aspx%3FID%3D91831F371F138345B53A153F49D4D872%26siteid%3De927580bf7 ) From jimcip at earthlink.net Wed May 6 18:07:01 2009 From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip@earthlink.net) Date: Wed May 6 18:07:07 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water Message-ID: <380-22009547171115@earthlink.net> I am looking for three gold-plated soundboxes to fit the Edison P-1 Portable Phonographs that plays needle-cut records which is only made of pot metal. The P-2 used a similar nickel-plated pot metal metal soundbox. The one on "E-bay" is for a different model Edison needle-cut portable. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: john robles > To: > Date: 03-May-2009 6:21:47 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water > > Too bad I don't have a machine to put it on. Wasn't someone on the board looking for an Edison Needle Cut reproducer?? This one is brass, not pot metal! > John Robles >   > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360151521216&ssPageName=A DME:B:FSEL:US:1123 > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rkeuler at verizon.net Thu May 7 23:28:55 2009 From: rkeuler at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu May 7 23:35:50 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Electric Credenza In-Reply-To: <998dac550811292007ib68b204s2d892fec52871209@mail.gmail.com> References: <998dac550811292007ib68b204s2d892fec52871209@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A03D127.2030600@verizon.net> I'm selling a very nice Victor Credenza, model Eight-Thirty, 4 door with AC induction motor. Mechanical excellent, finished restored (not refinished), sounds great! Will deliver to the Union Show. $650 Email me off list for photos. Thanks! Ron K From C5fan at aol.com Sat May 9 06:01:41 2009 From: C5fan at aol.com (C5fan@aol.com) Date: Sat May 9 06:07:36 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water Message-ID: Are many on the list going to Union this year? Anybody bringing black and brass Victor horns? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823232x1201398636/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= May5909footerNO62) From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sun May 10 07:31:11 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Sun May 10 07:31:51 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Wanted Hif of the Weeks and Billy Murray! Message-ID: Howdy friends. Give the best to all of those Moms out there for me! I am in the market for any nice playable Hit of the week records, and also a nice playable copy of Billy Murray singing Meet Me In St. Louis, Louis. Anyone cleaning out their collection and wish to part ways with such items is asked to please contact me off line. Thanks much! Brantley kuglarb@wmconnect.com From cenfin at comcast.net Sun May 10 14:15:37 2009 From: cenfin at comcast.net (Albert) Date: Sun May 10 14:15:39 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water References: Message-ID: <6D62C4682B51450A8B139D40447EE164@Home> I am going. Al Menashe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water > Are many on the list going to Union this year? Anybody bringing black and > brass Victor horns? > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823232x1201398636/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > May5909footerNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 > 4:55 PM > From C5fan at aol.com Sun May 10 18:24:48 2009 From: C5fan at aol.com (C5fan@aol.com) Date: Sun May 10 18:25:14 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water Message-ID: I have only had about 3 e-mail contacts with Phono-L in the last 6 days. There is usually a lot more contacts. Is it up and running or is it me? Thanks In a message dated 5/10/2009 5:17:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cenfin@comcast.net writes: I am going. Al Menashe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water > Are many on the list going to Union this year? Anybody bringing black and > brass Victor horns? > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823232x1201398636/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > May5909footerNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 > 4:55 PM > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222376999x1201454299/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=M ay51009AvgfooterNO62) From loran at oldcrank.com Mon May 11 15:32:59 2009 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Mon May 11 15:33:04 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <998dac550905111532u53bfa26dnbad25098204db99e@mail.gmail.com> I think it's just quiet out there... Phono-L is working fine. Fair warning to OTAPS members - the wife & I will be at the Sounds of Nostalgia show this weekend! Loran On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 6:24 PM, wrote: > I have only had about 3 e-mail contacts with Phono-L in the last 6 days. > There is usually a lot more contacts. Is it up and running or is it me? > Thanks > > From dan at old-phonographs.com Mon May 11 16:14:31 2009 From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Mon May 11 16:14:36 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water In-Reply-To: <998dac550905111532u53bfa26dnbad25098204db99e@mail.gmail.com> References: <998dac550905111532u53bfa26dnbad25098204db99e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Glad to hear it Loran. It will be good to see you both!!!! Dan On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Loran T. Hughes wrote: > I think it's just quiet out there... Phono-L is working fine. Fair warning > to OTAPS members - the wife & I will be at the Sounds of Nostalgia show > this > weekend! > > Loran > > On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 6:24 PM, wrote: > > > I have only had about 3 e-mail contacts with Phono-L in the last 6 days. > > There is usually a lot more contacts. Is it up and running or is it me? > > Thanks > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From mfkhanchalian at altrionet.com Mon May 11 16:20:33 2009 From: mfkhanchalian at altrionet.com (Michael F. Khanchalian) Date: Mon May 11 16:28:28 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Cylinder Doctor's call for patients References: Message-ID: > > The Union Show approaches so don't forget to bring > your treasured wax cylinders in need of restoration. > I'll be at the usual table with my apprentice (my son Timothy) > once again. We also tune and restore cylinder reproducers > and some disc as well. > > Cheers, > > Dr. Michael Khanchalian (cylinder doctor) > > > > __,_._,___ From stan at clarphon.com Mon May 11 16:40:59 2009 From: stan at clarphon.com (Stan Stanford) Date: Mon May 11 17:13:34 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water References: <998dac550905111532u53bfa26dnbad25098204db99e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c9d291$f090eb90$6701a8c0@thomaslaptop> I'm announcing to all OTAPS members locally that, Phono-L will be at the events. Are you bringing other guests from southern Oregon???? Stan Stanford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loran T. Hughes" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water >I think it's just quiet out there... Phono-L is working fine. Fair warning > to OTAPS members - the wife & I will be at the Sounds of Nostalgia show > this > weekend! > > Loran > > On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 6:24 PM, wrote: > >> I have only had about 3 e-mail contacts with Phono-L in the last 6 days. >> There is usually a lot more contacts. Is it up and running or is it me? >> Thanks >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From smstitt at gmail.com Mon May 11 18:43:27 2009 From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt) Date: Mon May 11 18:43:33 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water In-Reply-To: <001901c9d291$f090eb90$6701a8c0@thomaslaptop> References: <998dac550905111532u53bfa26dnbad25098204db99e@mail.gmail.com> <001901c9d291$f090eb90$6701a8c0@thomaslaptop> Message-ID: <7e8e90ff0905111843tf8ab6c9rb61137caccff03fd@mail.gmail.com> I'm announcing that Mike and Paula will be in Salem also. We are dropping off a valuable and rare DD to the masked collector. If he he doesn't show I'm selling it even tho' I'm just the mule, aka delivery boy. Mike oldcranky On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Stan Stanford wrote: > I'm announcing to all OTAPS members locally that, Phono-L will be at the > events. Are you bringing other guests from southern Oregon???? > > Stan Stanford > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loran T. Hughes" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water > > > I think it's just quiet out there... Phono-L is working fine. Fair warning >> to OTAPS members - the wife & I will be at the Sounds of Nostalgia show >> this >> weekend! >> >> Loran >> >> On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 6:24 PM, wrote: >> >> I have only had about 3 e-mail contacts with Phono-L in the last 6 days. >>> There is usually a lot more contacts. Is it up and running or is it me? >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From loran at oldcrank.com Tue May 12 08:27:02 2009 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Tue May 12 08:27:07 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This makes my mouth water In-Reply-To: <001901c9d291$f090eb90$6701a8c0@thomaslaptop> References: <998dac550905111532u53bfa26dnbad25098204db99e@mail.gmail.com> <001901c9d291$f090eb90$6701a8c0@thomaslaptop> Message-ID: <998dac550905120827w547419ddh9e97af83bc06905c@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Stan Stanford wrote: > I'm announcing to all OTAPS members locally that, Phono-L will be at the > events. Are you bringing other guests from southern Oregon???? > > Stan Stanford > Mike & Paula are heading up. I also hear that a VIP may be flying in from Utah. Loran From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Thu May 14 16:36:57 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Thu May 14 16:37:06 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Type E (Monarch Jr.) Message-ID: <512108746.5733411242344217340.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I have just acquired from a private party, a nice little Victor E (Monarch Jr.). According to Bill F. who has seen some photos of it, it has a patented Gibson traveling arm. It is in great shape and complete accept of the pivot pin device for this seldom seen traveling arm, and I also need a slotted type crank as well. I am assuming the E (Monarch Jr.) takes the same crank as an early Victor II, since the early Victor II's, according to "Look for the Dog" were actually E's with the addtion of a rigid tone arm. If anyone has both or either of the parts I need to complete the E, and you are willing to part with them for a fair price please let me know by contacting me off list at my email address. Thanks in advance, Bruce From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Fri May 15 05:26:19 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Fri May 15 05:26:28 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: [phonolist] Victor E (Monarch Jr.) In-Reply-To: <1756339044.5739091242345377600.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <266778447.5829991242390379458.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I have just acquired from a private party, a nice little Victor E (Monarch Jr.). According to Bill F. who has seen some photos of it, it has a patented Gibson traveling arm. It is in great shape and complete accept of the pivot pin device for this seldom seen traveling arm, and I also need a slotted type crank as well. I am assuming the E (Monarch Jr.) takes the same crank as an early Victor II, since the early Victor II's, according to "Look for the Dog" were actually E's with the addtion of a rigid tone arm. If anyone has both or either of the parts I need to complete the E, and you are willing to part with them for a fair price please let me know by contacting me off list at my email address. Thanks in advance, Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic ( 1 ) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Yahoo! Groups Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity ? 1 New Members Visit Your Group Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. Ads on Yahoo! Learn more now. Reach customers searching for you. Group Charity Hands On Network Volunteering has never been so easy . __,_._,___ From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Wed May 20 09:41:37 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Wed May 20 09:41:44 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Harry Humpfrey speak at this years Memorial Day Ceremonies Message-ID: <672051440.7109181242837697265.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> This Memorial Day in my home Town will be a little bit different. Harry Humphrey that well known elecutionist from the early days of recorded sound will be making a vocal appearance, when he recites on his #1651 Edison Royal Purple cylinder Reading of the Gettysburg address in Front of the Civil War Soldiers and Sailors Monument on the Town Hall Green, during the Parade/Ceremony . I will be set up there about 10:AM on Monday, with one of my Edison 4 Minute phonographs with a large horn of course, with a modern Mike and speaker system as well, and when the parade stops at the Town Hall for the annual Ceremonies, I will introduce Harry and this historic reading of Lincoln's speech on behalf of the Masschusetts Old Colony Antique Phonograph Society. Prior to the Parades arrival I plan on Playing some really nice Historic Music on the Phonograph IE: Stars & Stripes Forever, Washington Post March etc. for the large throng of Parade watchers. It will be a proud moment for this unabashed Patriotic Phonograph Collector. Bruce From john9ten at pacbell.net Wed May 20 10:39:27 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten@pacbell.net) Date: Wed May 20 10:48:36 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Harry Humpfrey speak at this years Memorial Day Ceremonies Message-ID: <577891484-1242841125-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1218083510-@bxe1116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Congrats, Bruce! What a great old-timey way to celebrate Memorial Day. Maybe you will create interest in phonographs too! Have a great timen and that goes for all here on the board. John Robles ------Original Message------ From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net Sender: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org To: MOCAPS Cc: Phonolist Cc: Phono-L ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Harry Humpfrey speak at this years Memorial Day Ceremonies Sent: May 20, 2009 9:41 AM This Memorial Day in my home Town will be a little bit different. Harry Humphrey that well known elecutionist from the early days of recorded sound will be making a vocal appearance, when he recites on his #1651 Edison Royal Purple cylinder Reading of the Gettysburg address in Front of the Civil War Soldiers and Sailors Monument on the Town Hall Green, during the Parade/Ceremony . I will be set up there about 10:AM on Monday, with one of my Edison 4 Minute phonographs with a large horn of course, with a modern Mike and speaker system as well, and when the parade stops at the Town Hall for the annual Ceremonies, I will introduce Harry and this historic reading of Lincoln's speech on behalf of the Masschusetts Old Colony Antique Phonograph Society. Prior to the Parades arrival I plan on Playing some really nice Historic Music on the Phonograph IE: Stars & Stripes Forever, Washington Post March etc. for the large throng of Parade watchers. It will be a proud moment for this unabashed Patriotic Phonograph Collector. Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From edisonphonoworks at hotmail.com Wed May 20 14:32:02 2009 From: edisonphonoworks at hotmail.com (Thomas Edison) Date: Wed May 20 14:37:11 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Harry Humpfrey In-Reply-To: <20090520190003.814167114B6@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> References: <20090520190003.814167114B6@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Message-ID: http://www.myspace.com/thenorthamericanphonographcompany You can hear the poem the Blue And the Gray by Harry Humpfrey. > From: phono-l-request@oldcrank.org > Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 118 > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:00:03 -0700 > > Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to > phono-l@oldcrank.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > phono-l-request@oldcrank.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > phono-l-owner@oldcrank.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." > > > If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Harry Humpfrey speak at this years Memorial Day Ceremonies > (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) > 2. Re: Harry Humpfrey speak at this years Memorial Day > Ceremonies (john9ten@pacbell.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 16:41:37 +0000 (UTC) > From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net > Subject: [Phono-L] Harry Humpfrey speak at this years Memorial Day > Ceremonies > To: MOCAPS > Cc: Phonolist , Phono-L > > Message-ID: > <672051440.7109181242837697265.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > This Memorial Day in my home Town will be a little bit different. Harry Humphrey that well known elecutionist from the early days of recorded sound will be making a vocal appearance, when he recites on his #1651 Edison Royal Purple cylinder Reading of the Gettysburg address in Front of the Civil War Soldiers and Sailors Monument on the Town Hall Green, during the Parade/Ceremony . I will be set up there about 10:AM on Monday, with one of my Edison 4 Minute phonographs with a large horn of course, with a modern Mike and speaker system as well, and when the parade stops at the Town Hall for the annual Ceremonies, I will introduce Harry and this historic reading of Lincoln's speech on behalf of the Masschusetts Old Colony Antique Phonograph Society. Prior to the Parades arrival I plan on Playing some really nice Historic Music on the Phonograph IE: Stars & Stripes Forever, Washington Post March etc. for the large throng of Parade watchers. It will be a proud moment for this unab > ashed Patriotic Phonograph Collector. > > Bruce > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:39:27 +0000 > From: john9ten@pacbell.net > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Harry Humpfrey speak at this years Memorial Day > Ceremonies > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Message-ID: > <577891484-1242841125-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1218083510-@bxe1116.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Congrats, Bruce! What a great old-timey way to celebrate Memorial Day. Maybe you will create interest in phonographs too! > Have a great timen and that goes for all here on the board. > John Robles > ------Original Message------ > From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net > Sender: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org > To: MOCAPS > Cc: Phonolist > Cc: Phono-L > ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: [Phono-L] Harry Humpfrey speak at this years Memorial Day Ceremonies > Sent: May 20, 2009 9:41 AM > > > This Memorial Day in my home Town will be a little bit different. Harry Humphrey that well known elecutionist from the early days of recorded sound will be making a vocal appearance, when he recites on his #1651 Edison Royal Purple cylinder Reading of the Gettysburg address in Front of the Civil War Soldiers and Sailors Monument on the Town Hall Green, during the Parade/Ceremony . I will be set up there about 10:AM on Monday, with one of my Edison 4 Minute phonographs with a large horn of course, with a modern Mike and speaker system as well, and when the parade stops at the Town Hall for the annual Ceremonies, I will introduce Harry and this historic reading of Lincoln's speech on behalf of the Masschusetts Old Colony Antique Phonograph Society. Prior to the Parades arrival I plan on Playing some really nice Historic Music on the Phonograph IE: Stars & Stripes Forever, Washington Post March etc. for the large throng of Parade watchers. It will be a proud moment for this unab > ashed Patriotic Phonograph Collector. > > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 118 > *************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 From dan at old-phonographs.com Wed May 20 17:59:25 2009 From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Wed May 20 18:06:17 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] My Union Wish List Message-ID: I thought I would post a few things I would hope to get a chance at during the upcoming Union show. It might not do any good, but what can it hurt. Who knows! :) a.. Complete set of VTLA Boxes b.. Metal Phonograph Advertising Signs c.. Cardboard Phonograph Advertising standing or hanging signs d.. Columbia Concert Cylinder Phonograph (not an AB McDonald) Anyone planning to bring any of this please feel free to send me a Private Message. Thanks Dan Melvin Visit the OTAPS website: http://otaps.org/ (Now iPhone and iPod Touch enhanced) From hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com Wed May 20 20:10:28 2009 From: hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com (Hawthorn's Antique Audio) Date: Wed May 20 20:10:41 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Commercial - New record auction list now available Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Auction 127 - "The Music Goes Round" is now available either as a printed catalog or a PDF file by email. Here are some of the highlights: *Five inch concert cylinders *Brown wax cylinders *Pathe Pfestival, part 3 *Many pre-1910 single face early labels *A large historical and personality section *More Crosby curiosities *Many fine books on popular music *Vintage sheet music *Odd and unusual disc phonograph reproducers *Victor and RCA Victor record catalog supplements *Jazz records, books and sheet music *More 12" jazz 78s from the Elwood collection *Dance bands from the 1920s and 1930s *Rock & Roll, R&B and Postwar Blues *Country, hillbilly and old time music *Children's 78s in colorful original sleeves *Foreign and ethnic records *A great Odds and Ends section *Classical vocal, instrumental, piano and orchestral *Classical selections on Edison Diamond Discs *Popular Diamond Discs, including many electrics *Blue Amberol cylinders *and much much more....... Interested? Just request a free copy off list, and specify if you would like the printed catalog or the PDF file. Be sure to include your mailing address! We'll get a copy out to you right away. SPECIAL for list members! If you have never received any of our auction catalogs before, be sure and ask for the New Bidder Discount Coupon. You will receive a 10% discount on the total of your winning bids, tax and postage excluded. First time bidders only, please. Thanks! Tom Hawthorn Hawthorn's Antique Audio www.thoseoldrecords.com hawthorn@thoseoldrecords.com From valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com Wed May 20 23:43:55 2009 From: valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com (valecnik57-purc@yahoo.com) Date: Wed May 20 23:51:23 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This Memorial Day in my home Town In-Reply-To: <20090520190003.272687114A9@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> References: <20090520190003.272687114A9@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Message-ID: <704641.62271.qm@web112405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Congratulations Bruce on successfully organizing the memorial day concert. I have small children and have offered more than one time to do a similar "show and tell" type thing for the children but the school administrators don't seem terribly interested. In my home town in Minnesota, the Historical Society built a large, very expensive exhibit building at the fairgrounds and stocked it with old a few old steamer trunks, some circa 1900 farm implements and the most beat up mahogany victrola XVI you've ever seen in your life. They also have a pioneer village with a Drug store there from ~circa 1905-1910. I've offered to set up a broad display in the large building of up to 50 machines or a more targeted display in the drug store,(could be for example only Edison machines of ~1906, 07, 10, 14, 18, etcetera). No interest. Closest I've come to your success is about 15 years ago for a friend's wedding I was requested to provide the music. That was pretty cool. I set up a victor V with petaled horn and an electic microphone in front of the horn and provided the music for ~ 100 people for a good part of evening. Cheers, The other Bruce Bruce Johnson Pod Valem II, 870 252 43 Pruhonice Czech Republic ________________________________ From evong at vanausdall.com Thu May 21 04:47:55 2009 From: evong at vanausdall.com (Eric vonGrimmenstein) Date: Thu May 21 04:58:40 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Commercial - New record auction list now available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, do you have any unusual commercial/business cylinders for sale, ie Bell and Tainter, 6" blank brown cylinders. Sincerely, Eric von Grimmenstein Indianapolis, IN 317 974-7203 -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Hawthorn's Antique Audio Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:10 PM To: Maillist Phono-L Subject: [Phono-L] Commercial - New record auction list now available Hi Everyone, Auction 127 - "The Music Goes Round" is now available either as a printed catalog or a PDF file by email. Here are some of the highlights: *Five inch concert cylinders *Brown wax cylinders *Pathe Pfestival, part 3 *Many pre-1910 single face early labels *A large historical and personality section *More Crosby curiosities *Many fine books on popular music *Vintage sheet music *Odd and unusual disc phonograph reproducers *Victor and RCA Victor record catalog supplements *Jazz records, books and sheet music *More 12" jazz 78s from the Elwood collection *Dance bands from the 1920s and 1930s *Rock & Roll, R&B and Postwar Blues *Country, hillbilly and old time music *Children's 78s in colorful original sleeves *Foreign and ethnic records *A great Odds and Ends section *Classical vocal, instrumental, piano and orchestral *Classical selections on Edison Diamond Discs *Popular Diamond Discs, including many electrics *Blue Amberol cylinders *and much much more....... Interested? Just request a free copy off list, and specify if you would like the printed catalog or the PDF file. Be sure to include your mailing address! We'll get a copy out to you right away. SPECIAL for list members! If you have never received any of our auction catalogs before, be sure and ask for the New Bidder Discount Coupon. You will receive a 10% discount on the total of your winning bids, tax and postage excluded. First time bidders only, please. Thanks! Tom Hawthorn Hawthorn's Antique Audio www.thoseoldrecords.com hawthorn@thoseoldrecords.com _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From victrola at triton.net Thu May 21 14:30:15 2009 From: victrola at triton.net (George) Date: Thu May 21 14:30:26 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Commercial - New record auction list now available References: Message-ID: <278C2B839A4944D58870C92D8CA83100@VALUEDCB7D4C82> Sorry nothing Eric Thank you for asking, George ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric vonGrimmenstein To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Commercial - New record auction list now available Hi, do you have any unusual commercial/business cylinders for sale, ie Bell and Tainter, 6" blank brown cylinders. Sincerely, Eric von Grimmenstein Indianapolis, IN 317 974-7203 -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Hawthorn's Antique Audio Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:10 PM To: Maillist Phono-L Subject: [Phono-L] Commercial - New record auction list now available Hi Everyone, Auction 127 - "The Music Goes Round" is now available either as a printed catalog or a PDF file by email. Here are some of the highlights: *Five inch concert cylinders *Brown wax cylinders *Pathe Pfestival, part 3 *Many pre-1910 single face early labels *A large historical and personality section *More Crosby curiosities *Many fine books on popular music *Vintage sheet music *Odd and unusual disc phonograph reproducers *Victor and RCA Victor record catalog supplements *Jazz records, books and sheet music *More 12" jazz 78s from the Elwood collection *Dance bands from the 1920s and 1930s *Rock & Roll, R&B and Postwar Blues *Country, hillbilly and old time music *Children's 78s in colorful original sleeves *Foreign and ethnic records *A great Odds and Ends section *Classical vocal, instrumental, piano and orchestral *Classical selections on Edison Diamond Discs *Popular Diamond Discs, including many electrics *Blue Amberol cylinders *and much much more....... Interested? Just request a free copy off list, and specify if you would like the printed catalog or the PDF file. Be sure to include your mailing address! We'll get a copy out to you right away. SPECIAL for list members! If you have never received any of our auction catalogs before, be sure and ask for the New Bidder Discount Coupon. You will receive a 10% discount on the total of your winning bids, tax and postage excluded. First time bidders only, please. Thanks! Tom Hawthorn Hawthorn's Antique Audio www.thoseoldrecords.com hawthorn@thoseoldrecords.com _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Thu May 21 14:51:37 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Thu May 21 14:51:44 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This Memorial Day in my home Town In-Reply-To: <704641.62271.qm@web112405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <252891611.7482871242942697850.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Bruce that is absolutely amazing that they turned their noses up at the possibility of a wonderful show & tell for the kids and also the Display at the Historical Society. As you know, non-collectors are really drawn to and fascinated by the sight and sounds of these historical old phonographs, and it really makes no sense that anyone would turn down your offer, but it happens far to often, and I suspect it is out of shear ignorance as to what you really have. I also recently did a couple of weddings, one for was for a small wedding in an elegant room at a 19th Century Sea Captains House in Boston. I had two external horn Victors set up on top of the Grand Piano, and played period 1920's jazz age music as the guests were being seated. Then I played the music for the entrance of the wedding Party, and an original Columbia 1909 band version of the Wedding March from Lohengrin by Wagner, for the entrance of the bride, at the conclusion of the wedding ceremony the Bride & Groom chose "Your the Cream in My Coffee" by Ted Weems & his Orchestra, rather then the traditional Mendolsohn's Wedding March for their exit.. I also played more 20's music during the cocktail hour. It was one of the finest times I have had entertaining with my phonographs and record collection. ----- Original Message ----- From: valecnik57-purc@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:43:55 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] This Memorial Day in my home Town Congratulations Bruce on successfully organizing the memorial day concert. I have small children and have offered more than one time to do a similar "show and tell" type thing for the children but the school administrators don't seem terribly interested. In my home town in Minnesota, the Historical Society built a large, very expensive exhibit building at the fairgrounds and stocked it with old a few old steamer trunks, some circa 1900 farm implements and the most beat up mahogany victrola XVI you've ever seen in your life. They also have a pioneer village with a Drug store there from ~circa 1905-1910. I've offered to set up a broad display in the large building of up to 50 machines or a more targeted display in the drug store,(could be for example only Edison machines of ~1906, 07, 10, 14, 18, etcetera). No interest. Closest I've come to your success is about 15 years ago for a friend's wedding I was requested to provide the music. That was pretty cool. I set up a victor V with petaled horn and an electic microphone in front of the horn and provided the music for ~ 100 people for a good part of evening. Cheers, The other Bruce Bruce Johnson Pod Valem II, 870 252 43 Pruhonice Czech Republic ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Thu May 21 17:01:00 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Thu May 21 17:01:12 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] This Memorial Day in my home Town Message-ID: Hats off to all of you collectors that enjoy displaying and playing your collection! People, however amaze me. I sometimes cannot believe how people fail show any interest at all in phonographs. I guess I am so passionate about them that I feel that everyone should be also. I have a Victor V, Victor R, Victor II, Victor 0, Victor III, and an Edison 75 displayed in our living room. With the exception of a few, our friends and guests will come right in, glance around, and comment on a rose that my wife has in a vase. They never say one word about the amazing machines! The phonographs have no impact on them what so ever! I do get a thrill at friends and guests that do have an interest, again very few, and I take full advantage of playing the machines and sharing the history of them, the records, and the artists, etc. We have a local museum that has a Collector's Day Show each August. My 8 year old daughter and I have a blast setting up a booth with 6 or so machines and some advertisements, and records. Fellow collectors (comic book collectors, doll collectors, etc.) enjoy the phonographs. In fact, our local newspaper ran an article last year featuring us and the hobby of phonograph collecting. The curator of the museum invited me several years ago to play the Victor V at the Veteran's Day Program. I had a blast playing the Victor Military Band's rendition of the Star Spangled Banner. I capped it off with Billy Murray singing the Grand Old Rag!! The Vets really loved it. What disheartens me is the lack of interest that the next generation has in this wonderful hobby. My two daughters like the phonographs and cherish the memories of us dancing in the living room to Billy Murray and Aileen Stanley singing You Gotta See Mama Every Night or You Can't See Mama At All, but as far as having a passion for them...afraid not. It's sad, but we may be all that is left in the hobby. I was born in 1958 and just love thinking about what it was like when my grandparents were born. They were born in the early 1900s and I can't help but think of them and the wonderful time that they lived in. As Harvey has said, "This is history, reall history!" I would like to take the time to wish each of you a wonderful Memorial Day and say thanks to all of you that have been or are in the Military. Thanks to all of you that have family in the service as well. We are so blessed to live in this great land of ours. Now, if you would excuse me, I think that I will go play the Stars and Stripes Forever on a cute little Victor I. God bless to all! Keep the speed limit at 78....rmps that is! Brantley From kbab1 at charter.net Thu May 21 18:58:00 2009 From: kbab1 at charter.net (Ken and Brenda Brekke) Date: Thu May 21 19:19:41 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Phonograph appreciation In-Reply-To: <252891611.7482871242942697850.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: The previous email threads regarding the public appreciating phonographs reminds me of one of my experiences. I have taken some of my phonographs to nursing homes and played records for everyone there. The first time I went, there were only a few that showed up. On all the subsequent visits, the activity room was filled. There was one particular lady that I will never forget. She was always by herself on the side of all the activity. She didn't associate with anyone. I asked one of the aides about her. The aide said "Oh, that's Georgia. She is usually pretty mean to everyone." I took that statement as a challenge. I used a cart and took my Concert Roller Organ over to her. I put my arm on her shoulder and asked if she wanted to play it. She looked up to me and in a very gruff and defiant voice said "YES!" She needed to use both hands to crank it but she played the whole cobb. When it ended she looked up at me again and had a huge smile on her face and said "Thank you very much!" It still brings a little tear to my eyes yet today. After that visit, Georgia always came up to me and requested to play either a phonograph or the Roller Organ. Many of the residents would dig through my boxes of records I brought. The look on their faces when they found a particular record that brought back memories from their younger days was priceless. They would eagerly play the record and talk about what it meant to them. I never needed to explain to them how to play the phonographs. It has been a while since I have visited a nursing home with some phonographs. It is something I miss doing and should start again. You can be sure that everyone there appreciates phonographs. More recently, I have started something similar with our Model A Ford club. We have put on mini car shows at nursing homes and give the residents rides. The appreciation of these events is also great. Ken Brekke From jimcip at earthlink.net Sat May 23 12:36:40 2009 From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip@earthlink.net) Date: Sat May 23 12:36:47 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Phonograph appreciation Message-ID: <380-220095623193640765@earthlink.net> Last year for a friend's 80th Birthday, I took a Columbia BN Graphophone equipped with a Viva-Tonal soundbox to the private dining room of the restaurant where the party took place. Played circa 1928 dance band records to an enthusiastic audience but had to stuff napkins down the nine-panel nickel plated horn to moderate the volume even with soft tone needles! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: Ken and Brenda Brekke > To: Antique Phonograph List > Date: 21-May-2009 9:20:33 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Phonograph appreciation > > The previous email threads regarding the public appreciating phonographs > reminds me of one of my experiences. I have taken some of my phonographs to > nursing homes and played records for everyone there. The first time I went, > there were only a few that showed up. On all the subsequent visits, the > activity room was filled. There was one particular lady that I will never > forget. She was always by herself on the side of all the activity. She > didn't associate with anyone. I asked one of the aides about her. The aide > said "Oh, that's Georgia. She is usually pretty mean to everyone." I took > that statement as a challenge. I used a cart and took my Concert Roller > Organ over to her. I put my arm on her shoulder and asked if she wanted to > play it. She looked up to me and in a very gruff and defiant voice said > "YES!" She needed to use both hands to crank it but she played the whole > cobb. When it ended she looked up at me again and had a huge smile on her > face and said "Thank you very much!" It still brings a little tear to my > eyes yet today. After that visit, Georgia always came up to me and > requested to play either a phonograph or the Roller Organ. Many of the > residents would dig through my boxes of records I brought. The look on > their faces when they found a particular record that brought back memories > from their younger days was priceless. They would eagerly play the record > and talk about what it meant to them. I never needed to explain to them how > to play the phonographs. It has been a while since I have visited a nursing > home with some phonographs. It is something I miss doing and should start > again. You can be sure that everyone there appreciates phonographs. More > recently, I have started something similar with our Model A Ford club. We > have put on mini car shows at nursing homes and give the residents rides. > The appreciation of these events is also great. > > Ken Brekke > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From slowpost at clear.net.nz Sat May 23 16:57:29 2009 From: slowpost at clear.net.nz (Mark Dawson) Date: Sat May 23 17:13:33 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BQ Crown, reproduction part Message-ID: <001d01c9dc02$3b967050$0201a8c0@D69S8J1S> I have available ,three cast in brass horse shoe shaped elbows . These connect from the reproducer , and slide into the tone arm on rear mounted Columbia Cylinder BQ Crown in a horizonal position, dont get confused with a BKT. They are getting nickled and aged at the moment. Cheers phonofolk, from Mark in little old New Zealand. slowpost@clear.net.nz From Srsells1 at aol.com Sat May 23 20:43:22 2009 From: Srsells1 at aol.com (Srsells1@aol.com) Date: Sat May 23 20:45:39 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Preview of the "FOR THE RECORD" Documentary Message-ID: This was posted on 78-L today by the Producer/Director's (proud) father, Mike Biel. This was Leah Biel's Master's thesis. The premiere is at ARSC Conference next Saturday but he shared a preview. I'm in there as well as many folks you make know the names of but have never seen. I think you all enjoy the samples here! I'll let Mike explain it. Steve Ramm "For The Record", my daughter Leah's documentary on record collectors, will be given its world premiere next Saturday May 30 at ARSC and thereafter will be available on DVD, but right now you can see a preview of segments on YouTube. First is the Roll Call of Collectors, the segment of the closing credits where the collectors who are profiled state their names. You will hear some familiar names -- and will now have the faces and voices to place with them. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70gOLK-wUVE&feature=channel_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70gOLK-wUVE&feature=channel) Next is a segment that discusses places where collectors used to meet -- The Record Research Associates, better known as "The Syndicate" -- and where they now meet on the web -- the 78-L. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVJtdgs1fmo&feature=channel_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVJtdgs1fmo&feature=channel) Then comes a segment about another place where collectors and collections meet -- The Association for Recorded Sound Collections. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiTPoctv9-Q&feature=channel_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiTPoctv9-Q&feature=channel) And lastly, for now, is a segment featurinig Bill Bragg of YesterdayUSA.com , a long established nostalgia network where I broadcast on Sunday nights at 11:30 PM Eastern time. Bill is also known as the voice of Big Tex, the very tall greeter at the Texas State Fair. Bill tells a story about how a recording resurrected a woman's long dead father. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEJpwovG40w&feature=channel_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEJpwovG40w&feature=channel) I cannot cite the usual disclaimers because I have a particular interest in this program as the proud papa and one of the interview subjects, but I hope you don't mind. Mike Biel mbiel@mbiel.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From Phonophan at aol.com Sun May 24 07:32:02 2009 From: Phonophan at aol.com (Phonophan@aol.com) Date: Sun May 24 07:37:26 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Upcoming TV appearance on History Detectives Message-ID: While on the subject of media appearances. Allow me to suggest you tune in to see The History Detectives on PBS, season premiere, June 22nd, usually airs at 8 or 9PM, check your local station. Episode # 701. I will appear during a segment on the Psycho Phone. The spent a day filming with me last fall. It will be lots of fun, and Edison gets pulled into the story, necessitating a trip to the National Historic Site and Jerry Fabris. Anyone interested in the history of recorded sound will be entertained. And "entertained" is the operative word here, remember, this is television, it's not pure scholarship. But I'm sure you'd all find it enjoyable. Best to all, Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From Aph4990 at aol.com Sun May 24 07:42:31 2009 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990@aol.com) Date: Sun May 24 07:42:53 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Upcoming TV appearance on History Detectives Message-ID: Hi Tim, I've been waiting for June 22 for months now! I hope I can record the show and save it! I managed to obtain a Psychophone record so my life is complete now! ---Art Heller **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From Phonophan at aol.com Sun May 24 07:48:01 2009 From: Phonophan at aol.com (Phonophan@aol.com) Date: Sun May 24 07:53:22 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Upcoming TV appearance on History Detectives Message-ID: Cool! Congrats on finding a record. The TV show will concern the CYLINDER Psycho Phone, and I record a cylinder on camera. Cheers, Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Sun May 24 10:16:24 2009 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Sun May 24 10:16:44 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Upcoming TV appearance on History Detectives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a1980f3.0e538c0a.595f.ffffec68@mx.google.com> Cool! -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Phonophan@aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:48 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Upcoming TV appearance on History Detectives Cool! Congrats on finding a record. The TV show will concern the CYLINDER Psycho Phone, and I record a cylinder on camera. Cheers, Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlc ntustrav00000002) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2126 - Release Date: 5/21/2009 6:22 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2126 - Release Date: 5/21/2009 6:22 AM From vicdoc160 at stny.rr.com Sun May 24 16:13:42 2009 From: vicdoc160 at stny.rr.com (Bobby) Date: Sun May 24 16:29:58 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Triumph Wanted Message-ID: Looking for a triumph prefer in rough shape but let me know what you have. Want to bring one back to life. Saw one a few years ago that was in a fire, I wanted to buy it but it wasnt for sale. Please let me know what you have. vicdoc160@stny.rr.com Thanks Bob From lherault at bu.edu Sun May 24 18:45:56 2009 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sun May 24 18:46:15 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] tabletop Grafonola (50) instructions. Message-ID: Does anyone have a scanned manual that they would like to share. I have a 50 I'd like to sell and try to provide a reprint of the manual if I can get one. Thanks, Ron L From marioaf at optusnet.com.au Mon May 25 12:44:45 2009 From: marioaf at optusnet.com.au (Mario Frazzetto) Date: Mon May 25 04:51:09 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] re Bettini Reproducer and Recorder Message-ID: <4A1AF52D.6080800@optusnet.com.au> Hi All, I'm still in the market for a Bettini Reproducer and Recorder to suit a Spring Motor phonograph. I have the Bettini carriage. I will pay VERY good money for one. Regards, mario From john9ten at pacbell.net Mon May 25 09:28:54 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Mon May 25 09:29:00 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] A Fascinating and Historic Phono related Find Message-ID: <630624.56846.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All Happy Memorial Day. Let's keep a thought for all who gave their lives for our country today. I personally do not support our current war, but I certainly do support those who are fighting and I grieve those who have lost their lives. Onward - a friend of mine was selling and buying at the Rose Bowl flew market recently, and in his travels around the market he found a statuette that struck him. It is a scene called 'A Capital Joke' and it portrays two men at a table, and one has apparently just finished telling a great joke, and the other man is stretched out in his chair laughing and clutching a napkin to his chest. If you have ever seen the 1890s Columbia ad graphic entited 'De-Lighted', there is the same man laughing in the chair, but across form him is not another man but a Colmbia Graphophone. The man in the ad and the man in the statuette are identical. So is this the source of Coluimbias logo ad? Could it have been drawn by the sculptor of the statuette? Has anyone ever seen this statuette before? Go to this link and you will see the pics of both, including a side by side comparison that I put together. Let's hear your comments? Is Howard Hazelcorn on this board? Undoubtedly he would know something. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Columbia%20Logo/?albumview=slideshow John Robles From john9ten at pacbell.net Mon May 25 09:41:26 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Mon May 25 09:41:32 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] A Fascinating and Historic Phono related Find Message-ID: <902299.74496.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Please note Photobucket made this into a slideshow - you can hit the pause button at the botom left to sto it and look at the pictures longer. --- On Mon, 5/25/09, john robles wrote: From: john robles Subject: [Phono-L] A Fascinating and Historic Phono related Find To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 9:28 AM Hi All Happy Memorial Day. Let's keep a thought for all who gave their lives for our country today. I personally do not support our current war, but I certainly do support those who are fighting and I grieve those who have lost their lives. Onward - a friend of mine was selling and buying at the Rose Bowl flew market recently, and in his travels around the market he found a statuette that struck him. It is a scene called 'A Capital Joke' and it portrays two men at a table, and one has apparently just finished telling a great joke, and the other man is stretched out in his chair laughing and clutching a napkin to his chest. If you have ever seen the 1890s Columbia ad graphic entited 'De-Lighted', there is the same man laughing in the chair, but across form him is not another man but a Colmbia Graphophone. The man in the ad and the man in the statuette are identical. So is this the source of Coluimbias logo ad? Could it have been drawn by the sculptor of the statuette? Has anyone ever seen this statuette before? Go to this link and you will see the pics of both, including a side by side comparison that I put together. Let's hear your comments? Is Howard Hazelcorn on this board? Undoubtedly he would know something. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Columbia%20Logo/?albumview=slideshow John Robles _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Mon May 25 10:13:04 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Mon May 25 10:13:12 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Errata Message-ID: <323935.74665.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> De-Lighted was the title of the Graphophone company's graphic with Uncle Sam listening to a Graphophone, not the old man. --- On Mon, 5/25/09, john robles wrote: From: john robles Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A Fascinating and Historic Phono related Find To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 9:41 AM Please note Photobucket made this into a slideshow - you can hit the pause button at the botom left to sto it and look at the pictures longer. --- On Mon, 5/25/09, john robles wrote: From: john robles Subject: [Phono-L] A Fascinating and Historic Phono related Find To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 9:28 AM Hi All Happy Memorial Day. Let's keep a thought for all who gave their lives for our country today. I personally do not support our current war, but I certainly do support those who are fighting and I grieve those who have lost their lives. Onward - a friend of mine was selling and buying at the Rose Bowl flew market recently, and in his travels around the market he found a statuette that struck him. It is a scene called 'A Capital Joke' and it portrays two men at a table, and one has apparently just finished telling a great joke, and the other man is stretched out in his chair laughing and clutching a napkin to his chest. If you have ever seen the 1890s Columbia ad graphic entited 'De-Lighted', there is the same man laughing in the chair, but across form him is not another man but a Colmbia Graphophone. The man in the ad and the man in the statuette are identical. So is this the source of Coluimbias logo ad? Could it have been drawn by the sculptor of the statuette? Has anyone ever seen this statuette before? Go to this link and you will see the pics of both, including a side by side comparison that I put together. Let's hear your comments? Is Howard Hazelcorn on this board? Undoubtedly he would know something. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Columbia%20Logo/?albumview=slideshow John Robles _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From billb at ftldesign.com Mon May 25 10:24:01 2009 From: billb at ftldesign.com (Bill Burns) Date: Mon May 25 10:30:49 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] A Fascinating and Historic Phono related Find In-Reply-To: <630624.56846.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <630624.56846.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A1AD431.3090700@ftldesign.com> On 5/25/2009 12:28 PM, john robles wrote: > Onward - a friend of mine was > selling and buying at the Rose Bowl flew market recently, and in his > travels around the market he found a statuette that struck him. It is > a scene called 'A Capital Joke' and it portrays two men at a table, > and one has apparently just finished telling a great joke, and the > other man is stretched out in his chair laughing and clutching a > napkin to his chest. The New-York Historical Society has a copy of this in plaster, and they attribute the original to John Rogers, who did many sculptures of figural groups that were reproduced in plaster and widely sold. They give his dates as 1829 to 1904. http://siris-artinventories.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?uri=full=3100001~!21723!0 A sculpture of that title, 9.5" tall, is listed in an 1889 G. Henneke catalog of "Florentine Statuary", so the sculpture would have pre-dated the Columbia ad and was probably a popular knick-knack of that period. http://www.archive.org/details/henneckesartstud00hennrich -- Bill Burns Long Island NY USA http://ftldesign.com From edisone1 at verizon.net Mon May 25 10:18:14 2009 From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj) Date: Mon May 25 11:18:33 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] A Fascinating and Historic Phono related Find References: <630624.56846.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22C5AA95916E4BC3A14542178353C4E1@T42> I don't know if this is one of his, but it's something that John Rogers could have produced. It would be interesting to know if Columbia paid for the use of the image ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" To: Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:28 PM Subject: [Phono-L] A Fascinating and Historic Phono related Find > Hi All > Happy Memorial Day. Let's keep a thought for all who gave their lives for > our country today. I personally do not support our current war, but I > certainly do support those who are fighting and I grieve those who have > lost their lives. > Onward - a friend of mine was selling and buying at the Rose Bowl flew > market recently, and in his travels around the market he found a statuette > that struck him. It is a scene called 'A Capital Joke' and it portrays two > men at a table, and one has apparently just finished telling a great joke, > and the other man is stretched out in his chair laughing and clutching a > napkin to his chest. If you have ever seen the 1890s Columbia ad graphic > entited 'De-Lighted', there is the same man laughing in the chair, but > across form him is not another man but a Colmbia Graphophone. The man in > the ad and the man in the statuette are identical. So is this the source > of Coluimbias logo ad? Could it have been drawn by the sculptor of the > statuette? Has anyone ever seen this statuette before? > Go to this link and you will see the pics of both, including a side by > side comparison that I put together. Let's hear your comments? Is Howard > Hazelcorn on this board? Undoubtedly he would know something. > http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Columbia%20Logo/?albumview=slideshow > John Robles > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Mon May 25 11:28:06 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Mon May 25 11:28:11 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Fireside Phonograph featured at Memorial Day Parade Ceremonies Message-ID: <712439462.8048061243276086591.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> As promised, here is a brief video of Harry C. Humpfrey's 1913 Edison Blue Amberol Cylinder of Lincoln's Gettysburg Address being played on a 1909 Edison Fireside Phonograph at the 2009 Memorial Day Parade Ceremonies in Hanson, Massachusetts. Pior to the Ceremonies and before the arrival of the Parade at the Civil War Monument & Town Hall Green, I entertained the Parade Spectators with Patriotic Music Played on both the Edison Fireside A, as well as a Standard D. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M71E99GEPCU I must say I was extremely honored & proud to do this. Many of the spectators and their children came up and asked questions, took photos, and were absolutely fascinated with the phonographs and delighted with the selections I played. Bruce From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Mon May 25 11:41:05 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Mon May 25 11:41:10 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: [MOCAPS-L] Fwd: Edison Fireside Phonograph featured at Memorial Day Parade Ceremonies In-Reply-To: <359051642.8048331243276178228.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <543709408.8049421243276865416.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net To: "MOCAPS" Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:29:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [MOCAPS-L] Fwd: Edison Fireside Phonograph featured at Memorial Day Parade Ceremonies ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net To: "Phonolist" , "Phono-L" Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:28:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Edison Fireside Phonograph featured at Memorial Day Parade Ceremonies As promised, here is a brief video of Harry C. Humpfrey's 1913 Edison Blue Amberol Cylinder of Lincoln's Gettysburg Address being played on a 1909 Edison Fireside Phonograph at the 2009 Memorial Day Parade Ceremonies in Hanson, Massachusetts. Pior to the Ceremonies and before the arrival of the Parade at the Civil War Monument & Town Hall Green, I entertained the Parade Spectators with Patriotic Music Played on both the Edison Fireside A, as well as a Standard D. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M71E99GEPCU I must say I was extremely honored & proud to do this. Many of the spectators and their children came up and asked questions, took photos, and were absolutely fascinated with the phonographs and delighted with the selections I played. Bruce __._,_.___ Messages in this topic ( 1 ) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Yahoo! Groups Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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John --- On Mon, 5/25/09, DanKj wrote: From: DanKj Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A Fascinating and Historic Phono related Find To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 10:18 AM I don't know if this is one of his, but it's something that John Rogers could have produced.???It would be interesting to know if Columbia paid for the use of the image ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" To: Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:28 PM Subject: [Phono-L] A Fascinating and Historic Phono related Find > Hi All > Happy Memorial Day. Let's keep a thought for all who gave their lives for our country today. I personally do not support our current war, but I certainly do support those who are fighting and I grieve those who have lost their lives. > Onward - a friend of mine was selling and buying at the Rose Bowl flew market recently, and in his travels around the market he found a statuette that struck him. It is a scene called 'A Capital Joke' and it portrays two men at a table, and one has apparently just finished telling a great joke, and the other man is stretched out in his chair laughing and clutching a napkin to his chest. If you have ever seen the 1890s Columbia ad graphic entited 'De-Lighted', there is the same man laughing in the chair, but across form him is not another man but a Colmbia Graphophone. The man in the ad and the man in the statuette are identical. So is this the source of Coluimbias logo ad? Could it have been drawn by the sculptor of the statuette? Has anyone ever seen this statuette before? > Go to this link and you will see the pics of both, including a side by side comparison that I put together. Let's hear your comments? Is Howard Hazelcorn on this board? Undoubtedly he would know something. > http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Columbia%20Logo/?albumview=slideshow > John Robles > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From AllenAmet at aol.com Mon May 25 14:14:50 2009 From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet@aol.com) Date: Mon May 25 14:20:12 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Errata/A Capital Joke Message-ID: In a message dated 5/25/2009 1:16:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john9ten@pacbell.net writes: The man in the ad and the man in the statuette are identical. So is this the source of Coluimbias logo ad? Could it have been drawn by the sculptor of the statuette? Has anyone ever seen this statuette before? ---------------------- Hi, The earliest known graphic of these two men laughing seems to date from 1884. At that time, there was no talking machine of course. But the title, A Capital Joke, goes back to ca 1880 (a musical operetta). And yes, the Graphophone replaced one of the men, probably late 1890s. Adaptive advertising was the rule of the day - even the famous painting of the Old Couple (Edison) replaced an earlier machine - a Puck! If you can send me a scan of the statuette, I'll look some more. Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) From john9ten at pacbell.net Mon May 25 14:53:39 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Mon May 25 14:53:44 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Errata/A Capital Joke Message-ID: <630987.59039.qm@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Allen, I will do so. John --- On Mon, 5/25/09, AllenAmet@aol.com wrote: From: AllenAmet@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Errata/A Capital Joke To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 2:14 PM In a message dated 5/25/2009 1:16:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? john9ten@pacbell.net writes: The man? in the ad and the man in the statuette are identical. So is this the source of? Coluimbias logo ad? Could it have been drawn by the sculptor of the statuette?? Has anyone ever seen this statuette before? ---------------------- Hi, ???The earliest known graphic of these two men laughing seems to? date from 1884. At that time, there was no talking machine of course. But the title, A Capital Joke, goes back to ca 1880 (a musical? operetta). And yes, the Graphophone replaced one of the men, probably late? 1890s. Adaptive advertising was the rule of the day - even the famous painting? of the Old Couple (Edison) replaced an earlier machine - a Puck! ? If you can send me a scan of the statuette, I'll look some? more. Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From appywander at hotmail.com Mon May 25 14:57:12 2009 From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder) Date: Mon May 25 15:02:22 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Type AB for sale Message-ID: I have a nice Type AB Graphophone for sale. Plating very good. Lid, base, decal very good. Reproduction 14" aluminum horn, 5" mandrel, and thumbscrew. Plays just like it should. Reproducer regasketed and rewaxed by Paul Baker. Includes one Edison Concert cylinder (vocal) and one Graphophone Grand cylinder (Gilmore's Band). Email for photos appywander@hotmail.com $1600 obo Delivery to Union no problem. contact John Maeder 502-410-9269 From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Mon May 25 16:28:48 2009 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Mon May 25 16:28:58 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] A Fascinating and Historic Phono related Find Message-ID: howard is not on this board but i forwarded this to him In a message dated 5/25/2009 12:31:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john9ten@pacbell.net writes: Hi All Happy Memorial Day. Let's keep a thought for all who gave their lives for our country today. I personally do not support our current war, but I certainly do support those who are fighting and I grieve those who have lost their lives. Onward - a friend of mine was selling and buying at the Rose Bowl flew market recently, and in his travels around the market he found a statuette that struck him. It is a scene called 'A Capital Joke' and it portrays two men at a table, and one has apparently just finished telling a great joke, and the other man is stretched out in his chair laughing and clutching a napkin to his chest. If you have ever seen the 1890s Columbia ad graphic entited 'De-Lighted', there is the same man laughing in the chair, but across form him is not another man but a Colmbia Graphophone. The man in the ad and the man in the statuette are identical. So is this the source of Coluimbias logo ad? Could it have been drawn by the sculptor of the statuette? Has anyone ever seen this statuette before? Go to this link and you will see the pics of both, including a side by side comparison that I put together. Let's hear your comments? Is Howard Hazelcorn on this board? Undoubtedly he would know something. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Columbia%20Logo/?albumview= slideshow John Robles _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823249x1201398664/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May ExcfooterNO62) From appywander at hotmail.com Mon May 25 17:29:22 2009 From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder) Date: Mon May 25 17:29:27 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Type AB sold! Message-ID: Sold the Type AB . . . thanks for all the inquiries, phono-L! John From nipper27 at comcast.net Mon May 25 19:53:10 2009 From: nipper27 at comcast.net (Nipper) Date: Mon May 25 19:53:19 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Fw: Victor Orthophonic 1050 Message-ID: <8143F3B1ED11470C8D8BA8243F3DB0B8@NickPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: Nipper To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Victor Orthophonic 1050 CONDITION: Cabinet refinished Not By Me, pot metal parts need to be replaced, interior mostly original, some gold plating has been redone, some missing screws, missing rear escutcheon, nice machine - not tested. I bought as a project and never got started. There are some minor scratches, see pictures for reference, there are no serious pieces missing or deep cuts. I will like to get $800 that is $150 less then what I paid. If interested please email me at Nipper@comcast.net Nick From nipper27 at comcast.net Mon May 25 19:45:12 2009 From: nipper27 at comcast.net (Nipper) Date: Mon May 25 19:55:10 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic 1050 Message-ID: <99C2720CEFC64970A867ED5150239A14@NickPC> CONDITION: Cabinet refinished Not By Me, pot metal parts need to be replaced, interior mostly original, some gold plating has been redone, some missing screws, missing rear escutcheon, nice machine - not tested. I bought as a project and never got started. There are some minor scratches, see pictures for reference, there are no serious pieces missing or deep cuts. I will like to get $800 that is $150 less then what I paid. If interested please email me at Nipper@comcast.net Nick From nipper27 at comcast.net Mon May 25 19:56:38 2009 From: nipper27 at comcast.net (Nipper) Date: Mon May 25 19:57:02 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Orhophonic victor 1050 Message-ID: CONDITION: Cabinet refinished Not By Me, pot metal parts need to be replaced, interior mostly original, some gold plating has been redone, some missing screws, missing rear escutcheon, nice machine - not tested. I bought as a project and never got started. There are some minor scratches, see pictures for reference, there are no serious pieces missing or deep cuts. I will like to get $800 that is $150 less then what I paid. If interested please email me at Nipper@comcast.net Nick From wilenzick at bellsouth.net Tue May 26 14:33:31 2009 From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (Raymond Wilenzick) Date: Tue May 26 14:40:20 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping info needed Message-ID: <41B09605F59244298CDB9D077335DC1E@Wilenzick> I am interested in having two large cylinder record cabinets and other large phono items shipped from New Orleans to Atlanta. Does anyone have experience in shipping items like this, and could offer suggestions on the least expensive way to do it. I recall seeing posts about persons that transport victrolas, etc., but don't have names available. Anyone have experience with Craters & Freighters or Nationwide Delivery Systems, or similar? Thanks for your help. Ray From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Tue May 26 15:53:25 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Tue May 26 15:53:51 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping info needed Message-ID: I meant Ray...Pete must have some phonograph information for me. lol.lol... Brantley From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Tue May 26 15:56:24 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Tue May 26 15:57:22 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Motor board screw for a Vic. IV horn machine needed... Message-ID: Does anyone have a motor board screw for a Vic. IV for sale? I have just purchased some, but they have the smaller head, like the ones for a Vic. II. Thanks for any assistance. Brantley Williston, S.C. From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Tue May 26 15:52:30 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Tue May 26 15:59:26 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping info needed Message-ID: Pete, Vintage Transport out of Atlanta is great! I used them last month to transport an antique stove for our kitchen. Not only did they do a wonderful job packing, but provided that delivery of the stove 500 lb. stove in our kitchen! If interested, let me know. They were also very reasonable! Brantley Williston, S.C. From gbogantz1 at charter.net Tue May 26 15:15:00 2009 From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz) Date: Tue May 26 16:16:43 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping info needed References: <41B09605F59244298CDB9D077335DC1E@Wilenzick> Message-ID: In my experience, the least expensive shipping for large articles like this is by Forward Air. Here's their website: http://www.forwardair.com/ This is a trucking service that specializes in ground transport from one airport to another. But I don't think they handle retail business. Some furniture and antique dealers have accounts with them, so you might check with a dealer to see if you can get connected with Forward Air. If you use them, you will have to arrange for the packing and crating yourself. Then Forward Air will deliver to the closest airport to you that they serve, and you'll have to arrange for pickup at the airport. But it's about half the cost of any other service I've seen, so it was worth it for me when I had a Victor 10-35 shipped from New Mexico to Charlotte, NC. Greg Bogantz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wilenzick" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping info needed I am interested in having two large cylinder record cabinets and other large phono items shipped from New Orleans to Atlanta. Does anyone have experience in shipping items like this, and could offer suggestions on the least expensive way to do it. I recall seeing posts about persons that transport victrolas, etc., but don't have names available. Anyone have experience with Craters & Freighters or Nationwide Delivery Systems, or similar? Thanks for your help. Ray _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From mgraziano1 at o-lite.com Tue May 26 15:48:37 2009 From: mgraziano1 at o-lite.com (Michael Graziano) Date: Tue May 26 16:31:44 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping info needed In-Reply-To: <41B09605F59244298CDB9D077335DC1E@Wilenzick> References: <41B09605F59244298CDB9D077335DC1E@Wilenzick> Message-ID: <7FEB5B0C139B43B396FDA6293FF24433@Archimedes> Try Home Direct. White glover delivery at an affordable price. We use them for our business. If you need a business account (they may not work with individuals), let me know and we can work out something through my store. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Wilenzick Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:34 PM To: phonolist@yahoogroups.com; Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping info needed I am interested in having two large cylinder record cabinets and other large phono items shipped from New Orleans to Atlanta. Does anyone have experience in shipping items like this, and could offer suggestions on the least expensive way to do it. I recall seeing posts about persons that transport victrolas, etc., but don't have names available. Anyone have experience with Craters & Freighters or Nationwide Delivery Systems, or similar? Thanks for your help. Ray _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Tue May 26 17:59:08 2009 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Tue May 26 18:04:22 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping info needed Message-ID: hi i am and have used two one is named kieth out of nc his number is 1-828-238-2727 or and the other is john wasserman Piano Pro Moving and Storage office 563.580.5035 In a message dated 5/26/2009 5:44:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wilenzick@bellsouth.net writes: I am interested in having two large cylinder record cabinets and other large phono items shipped from New Orleans to Atlanta. Does anyone have experience in shipping items like this, and could offer suggestions on the least expensive way to do it. I recall seeing posts about persons that transport victrolas, etc., but don't have names available. Anyone have experience with Craters & Freighters or Nationwide Delivery Systems, or similar? Thanks for your help. Ray _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377034x1201454326/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= MaystepsfooterNO62) From wilenzick at bellsouth.net Tue May 26 18:34:35 2009 From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (Raymond Wilenzick) Date: Tue May 26 18:34:43 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping info needed References: <41B09605F59244298CDB9D077335DC1E@Wilenzick> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for information. I have contacted a man in NC who was recommended by several collectors and it looks like he will do the job. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wilenzick" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping info needed I am interested in having two large cylinder record cabinets and other large phono items shipped from New Orleans to Atlanta. Does anyone have experience in shipping items like this, and could offer suggestions on the least expensive way to do it. I recall seeing posts about persons that transport victrolas, etc., but don't have names available. Anyone have experience with Craters & Freighters or Nationwide Delivery Systems, or similar? Thanks for your help. Ray _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From nipper at dataex.com Thu May 28 05:10:07 2009 From: nipper at dataex.com (Robin Rolfs) Date: Thu May 28 10:49:59 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Hearthstone Museum Exhibit of Edison Photographs Message-ID: <8B454E5F0887459497DF2B3CFDA0A553@owner094cc0223> Greetings Edison Fans, We would like to share with our fellow phonograph enthusiasts the following information on an exhibit we are conducting at Hearthstone Historic House Museum in Appleton, Wisconsin. Hearthstone Historic House Museum, Appleton, Wisconsin will open the exhibit on May 30th featuring photography with a connection to Thomas A. Edison. On September 30, 1882 Hearthstone Historic House, built for Appleton businessman Henry J. Rogers and family, became the first private home in the world to be lighted by a centrally located hydroelectric station using the newly invented Thomas A. Edison system. On loan from noted collectors, Robin and Joan Rolfs, is a collection of published and unpublished photographs taken by photographer Lewis Lueder. Lewis Lueder was the official photographer to Mr. Thomas A. Edison from 1913 to the 1920's. Mr. Lueder was manager of the Photographic Studio which was part of the Edison Laboratory organization. Cameras that Lewis Lueder used to capture the inventions, candid photos and professional photographs of the great inventor, Thomas A. Edison, will be on display. This collection gives us a glimpse into the professional career of this photographer. Mr. Lueder was compiling a book on photography and his notes are among the artifacts. There are many facets to his work as the official photographer to Mr. Thomas A. Edison and Edison Industries. The exhibit will show photography used in industrial, commercial, social and amateur settings. A tour of the house displays the original electroliers and light switches still in use. Visitors learn about the effect electric light had on society. Check out the events at http://www.focol.org/hearthstone/ A CD containing a 75 page color hi-res .pdf file with over 125 photos, most having never been published before, is available for purchase for $12.00 incl. shipping from Robin & Joan Rolfs. Check our website at: www.audioantique.com Hearthstone Historic House Museum 625 West Prospect Avenue Appleton, WI 54911 920-730-8204 Hours: Tuesday through Friday: 10:00 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. Saturday: 11:00 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. From jnichol at fuse.net Thu May 28 15:52:50 2009 From: jnichol at fuse.net (Jim Nichol) Date: Thu May 28 15:52:57 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Hearthstone Museum Exhibit of Edison Photographs In-Reply-To: <8B454E5F0887459497DF2B3CFDA0A553@owner094cc0223> References: <8B454E5F0887459497DF2B3CFDA0A553@owner094cc0223> Message-ID: This CD sounds great! I just ordered one. That house is stunning. Jim Nichol On May 28, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Robin Rolfs wrote: > Greetings Edison Fans, > > We would like to share with our fellow phonograph enthusiasts the > following information on an exhibit we are conducting at Hearthstone > Historic House Museum in Appleton, Wisconsin. > > Hearthstone Historic House Museum, Appleton, Wisconsin will open the > exhibit on May 30th featuring photography with a connection to > Thomas A. Edison. On September 30, 1882 Hearthstone Historic House, > built for Appleton businessman Henry J. Rogers and family, became > the first private home in the world to be lighted by a centrally > located hydroelectric station using the newly invented Thomas A. > Edison system. On loan from noted collectors, Robin and Joan Rolfs, > is a collection of published and unpublished photographs taken by > photographer Lewis Lueder. Lewis Lueder was the official > photographer to Mr. Thomas A. Edison from 1913 to the 1920's. Mr. > Lueder was manager of the Photographic Studio which was part of the > Edison Laboratory organization. > > Cameras that Lewis Lueder used to capture the inventions, candid > photos and professional photographs of the great inventor, Thomas A. > Edison, will be on display. This collection gives us a glimpse into > the professional career of this photographer. Mr. Lueder was > compiling a book on photography and his notes are among the > artifacts. There are many facets to his work as the official > photographer to Mr. Thomas A. Edison and Edison Industries. The > exhibit will show photography used in industrial, commercial, social > and amateur settings. > > A tour of the house displays the original electroliers and light > switches still in use. Visitors learn about the effect electric > light had on society. Check out the events at http://www.focol.org/hearthstone/ > > A CD containing a 75 page color hi-res .pdf file with over 125 > photos, most having never been published before, is available for > purchase for $12.00 incl. shipping from Robin & Joan Rolfs. Check > our website at: www.audioantique.com > > Hearthstone Historic House Museum > 625 West Prospect Avenue > Appleton, WI 54911 > 920-730-8204 > > Hours: Tuesday through Friday: 10:00 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. > Saturday: 11:00 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. From appywander at hotmail.com Thu May 28 16:55:32 2009 From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder) Date: Thu May 28 16:55:37 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Standard mech w/ 2 reproducers, recorder, horn $200 Message-ID: I was searching Craigslist and found this rather cryptic listing on Boise Craigslist when I searched 'For Sale and Wanted' under 'Edison'. I have been in contact with the seller and deciphered what he is selling. Seems that someone mounted a D Standard mech into some sort of a cabinet and connected the reproducer to a red morning glory horn bell with rubber hose and plumbing. The mech works and there are C & H reproducers and a recorder to boot. He wants $200 with or without the cabinet. I can't use it myself, but thought I'd pass it on. Listing ID is: sale-qdgq3-1191966548@craigslist.org John M From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Thu May 28 17:06:36 2009 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Thu May 28 17:06:47 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Jasper Message-ID: <4a1f270f.2a528c0a.2047.1f1f@mx.google.com> Anyone out there know if Jasper will be opening his home to us this year? Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2126 - Release Date: 5/21/2009 6:22 AM From andy at popyrus.com Fri May 29 07:33:37 2009 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Fri May 29 07:33:49 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Hearthstone Museum Exhibit of Edison Photographs In-Reply-To: References: <8B454E5F0887459497DF2B3CFDA0A553@owner094cc0223> Message-ID: <79657ADB-9ED6-441B-AC66-3BEFEF64E983@popyrus.com> How many photos (more or less) of the Old Man appear on this CD? Andy in Santa Fe On May 28, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Jim Nichol wrote: > This CD sounds great! I just ordered one. > > That house is stunning. > > Jim Nichol > > On May 28, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Robin Rolfs wrote: > >> Greetings Edison Fans, >> >> We would like to share with our fellow phonograph enthusiasts the >> following information on an exhibit we are conducting at >> Hearthstone Historic House Museum in Appleton, Wisconsin. >> >> Hearthstone Historic House Museum, Appleton, Wisconsin will open >> the exhibit on May 30th featuring photography with a connection to >> Thomas A. Edison. On September 30, 1882 Hearthstone Historic House, >> built for Appleton businessman Henry J. Rogers and family, became >> the first private home in the world to be lighted by a centrally >> located hydroelectric station using the newly invented Thomas A. >> Edison system. On loan from noted collectors, Robin and Joan >> Rolfs, is a collection of published and unpublished photographs >> taken by photographer Lewis Lueder. Lewis Lueder was the official >> photographer to Mr. Thomas A. Edison from 1913 to the 1920's. Mr. >> Lueder was manager of the Photographic Studio which was part of the >> Edison Laboratory organization. >> >> Cameras that Lewis Lueder used to capture the inventions, candid >> photos and professional photographs of the great inventor, Thomas >> A. Edison, will be on display. This collection gives us a glimpse >> into the professional career of this photographer. Mr. Lueder was >> compiling a book on photography and his notes are among the >> artifacts. There are many facets to his work as the official >> photographer to Mr. Thomas A. Edison and Edison Industries. The >> exhibit will show photography used in industrial, commercial, >> social and amateur settings. >> >> A tour of the house displays the original electroliers and light >> switches still in use. Visitors learn about the effect electric >> light had on society. Check out the events at http://www.focol.org/hearthstone/ >> >> A CD containing a 75 page color hi-res .pdf file with over 125 >> photos, most having never been published before, is available for >> purchase for $12.00 incl. shipping from Robin & Joan Rolfs. Check >> our website at: www.audioantique.com >> >> Hearthstone Historic House Museum >> 625 West Prospect Avenue >> Appleton, WI 54911 >> 920-730-8204 >> >> Hours: Tuesday through Friday: 10:00 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. >> Saturday: 11:00 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From nipper at dataex.com Fri May 29 13:33:59 2009 From: nipper at dataex.com (Robin Rolfs) Date: Fri May 29 13:34:14 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Hearthstone Museum Exhibit of Edison Photographs References: <8B454E5F0887459497DF2B3CFDA0A553@owner094cc0223> <79657ADB-9ED6-441B-AC66-3BEFEF64E983@popyrus.com> Message-ID: <2A8ABFDC0E4340A8990FB8B3968D7677@owner094cc0223> Thanks for the interest in this collection of photographs taken by TAE's photographer, Lewis Lueder. There are 10 photos that contain Mr. Edison, several unpublished and informal as he was relaxing on the yacht Sachem while president of the Navy Consulting Board. One close-up shows the inventor several days un-shaven. One of Joan's favorite photographs in the collection is Thomas A. Edison standing by an Lansden Electric delivery wagon. The Lansden Company was organized in 1904 by Thomas A. Edison. The electric vehicle was generally considered to be the best kind of delivery wagon for retail downtown delivery. The gasoline vehicle was the machine for long-distance and out-of-town work. There are many other photos which is why we put this collection in a document for others to enjoy. There are photos of some unknown electromechanical device used with an automobile, some layout work for advertising, a device of a home recording attachment for a Diamond Disc phonograph, photos of the Ediphone, Home Kinetoscope and personal photographs Mr. Lueder had taken, along with cameras, lab equipment, lab note books and ephemera as part of the collection. Approximately 60 photos were constructed from various original glass plate negatives. Hearthstone Museum received a grant for this exhibit and our main purpose was to research and share with the collecting community and public the unpublished photo's that we acquired . See our website at: www.audioantique.com Robin Rolfs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Baron" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Hearthstone Museum Exhibit of Edison Photographs > How many photos (more or less) of the Old Man appear on this CD? > > Andy in Santa Fe > > > On May 28, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Jim Nichol wrote: > >> This CD sounds great! I just ordered one. >> >> That house is stunning. >> >> Jim Nichol >> From bwalter at machlink.com Fri May 29 15:17:40 2009 From: bwalter at machlink.com (Brian Walter) Date: Fri May 29 15:27:26 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Jasper's Message-ID: <1C64482A8BC444CA9C5D667B741D4EE9@brian4b2c06c9e> I talked with Randy Donley a week or so ago and he confirmed that Jasper's would be open as usual Saturday nite. The only change is that the donation is $15 each this year. Still a bargain. Brian Walter, Vintage Musicals From matt at misterphonograph.com Sat May 30 13:16:28 2009 From: matt at misterphonograph.com (Matthew K. Brown) Date: Sat May 30 13:36:10 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison J-19 DD Machine for sale Message-ID: Pics: http://s249.photobucket.com/albums/gg219/tubahawk/B-80/Beethoven/J-19/ Incredible condition - original tt felt, original grille silk, original finish (save for the top, which has been partially refinished by me). Motor has been completely overhauled/cleaned/greased/lubed/adjusted (by me) - runs GREAT. Reproducer has been rebuilt/tuned (by me) - new Bogantz diapraghm installed. Sounds great. Hate to see it go, but gotta make room! Located in Reading, PA. Open to all reasonable offers. Email me tubahawk "at" gmail "dot" com . Matt Brown From funks2 at comcast.net Sat May 30 15:28:37 2009 From: funks2 at comcast.net (michael and suellen funk) Date: Sat May 30 15:34:12 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for Edison B 80 transport from Reading, PA to Union.... Message-ID: <4F6740A57D0D4913989E3D444CE505F2@your4dacd0ea75> Hi all, I am buying an Edison B80 from Matt Brown and am looking for a good soul to transport it from Reading, PA to Union for a small fee. Thanks, Suellen Funk Funks2@comcast.net From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Sat May 30 17:29:34 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Sat May 30 17:29:44 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison J-19 DD Machine for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1665382203.9470301243729774564.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> This is one of the more elusive Edison DD Phonographs, very few were ever sold. It is the only Cabinet that was made in heavy Stump Oak, and underneath all that Brown is one the most unusually attractive Oak cabinets you may ever see. The Stump oak tended to darken with age so a good cleaning of the cabinet would start to reveal what I am talking about. This one is so dark that it is difficult to make out the decorative urn molding at the top of each leg, as well as the Ebony and Holly Marquetry in the center of the panel just above the front grill. But still it is in great original condition. Thanks for offering it here on Phono-L Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew K. Brown" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 4:16:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Edison J-19 DD Machine for sale Pics: http://s249.photobucket.com/albums/gg219/tubahawk/B-80/Beethoven/J-19/ Incredible condition - original tt felt, original grille silk, original finish (save for the top, which has been partially refinished by me). Motor has been completely overhauled/cleaned/greased/lubed/adjusted (by me) - runs GREAT. Reproducer has been rebuilt/tuned (by me) - new Bogantz diapraghm installed. Sounds great. Hate to see it go, but gotta make room! Located in Reading, PA. Open to all reasonable offers. Email me tubahawk "at" gmail "dot" com . Matt Brown _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From JPisano at cox.net Sun May 31 06:53:56 2009 From: JPisano at cox.net (John Pisano) Date: Sun May 31 07:07:39 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] RE: Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 126 In-Reply-To: <20090529190004.64C7A71E559@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> References: <20090529190004.64C7A71E559@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of phono-l-request@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 3:00 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 126 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-request@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-owner@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." From gwphonos at woh.rr.com Sun May 31 18:44:25 2009 From: gwphonos at woh.rr.com (Gregory Cline) Date: Sun May 31 22:22:26 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Union Items available Message-ID: <53456D5EE6454B34A5F7F2C9770D40E8@GREGG> Hi Everyone, I just wanted to offer to the list first some items I will be taking to union in a couple of weeks. If you have any interest please contact me off list for details. gcline@woh.rr.com or Zonophone@woh.rr.com. Kalamazoo Duplex Zonophone Model C (minty machine) Zonophone Concert (early style) Columbia BFT with Nickel horn Victor E (Pre Dog with leather elbow horn) Busy Bee Grand Aretino Columbia AJ Edison Maroon Gem model D Talk-o-phone Rear mount machine with "The Resonator" type Horn p 55 Fabrizio Paul Accessories and Contraptions Columbia BNW Regina Music Box 15.5 inch coin op with matching disc cabinet Thanks, Gregg Cline