From loran at oldcrank.com Wed Jul 1 15:45:21 2009 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Wed Jul 1 15:51:38 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Last Reminder about the Phono-L survey Message-ID: <998dac550907011545ld670b71p4ff418e33a3f9fb7@mail.gmail.com> One last plea before the long weekend... I'm getting some great feedback on the Phono-L survey, but only 64 out of Phono-L's 274 subscribers have responded. This is a great opportunity to have your say in the direction that Phono-L will take in the very near future. So here's your chance... it only takes a couple of minutes to make your voice heard. I'll leave the survey open until Friday evening (July 3) and will announce the results this weekend. Link to the survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=MIycHjTrRzbZZTKe7m5b5A_3d_3d Thanks, Loran From loran at oldcrank.com Thu Jul 2 12:54:19 2009 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Thu Jul 2 18:06:04 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Have A Safe Holiday! Message-ID: <998dac550907021254o728ed3a5o3a771b14dea4f47f@mail.gmail.com> Hope everyone in Phono-L land has a safe and fun holiday this weekend! Loran P.S., Thanks to everyone who filled out my survey. It will still be available through tomorrow evening, then I'll share the results. You've given me some great comments and things to think about! From dan at old-phonographs.com Thu Jul 2 08:54:45 2009 From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Thu Jul 2 18:06:59 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Bingola II crank needed Message-ID: Hi All, I found a very minty Bingola II phonograph last weekend that is in perfect condition except it is missing it's crank. Anyone out there have a basket case Bingola II with a crank they might be willing to part with? It is a screw on crank that is very small. Thanks Dan From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Fri Jul 3 11:16:29 2009 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Fri Jul 3 11:43:26 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Up date on Elise Roegnick Message-ID: <438323.17106.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yesterday, I called the Crescent Hotel and left a message with the manager. She called me back today and gave me an update on Elise. She was transferred from the Omaha NE hospital to a local hospital in Eureka Springs, AR. Sympathy and get well cards can be sent to Elise Roegnick ,C/O Crescent Hotel. The address is on the website. Harvey Kravitz --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Loran T. Hughes wrote: From: Loran T. Hughes Subject: [Phono-L] Have A Safe Holiday! To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 12:54 PM Hope everyone in Phono-L land has a safe and fun holiday this weekend! Loran P.S., Thanks to everyone who filled out my survey. It will still be available through tomorrow evening, then I'll share the results. You've given me some great comments and things to think about! _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Fri Jul 3 12:50:21 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Fri Jul 3 12:50:29 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Up date on Elise Roegnick Message-ID: <689188.47468.qm@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was surprised to see business going on as usal on the Mechantiques website with the monthly clock giveaway and no mention of Marty's death..I would have expected some sort of memorial page or something. But the hotel must go on and I hope Mechantiques will too. I am sure he would have wanted that so I think it is appropriate. John Robles --- On Fri, 7/3/09, harvey kravitz wrote: From: harvey kravitz Subject: [Phono-L] Up date on Elise Roegnick To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 11:16 AM Yesterday, I called the Crescent Hotel and left a message with the manager. She called me back today and gave me an update on Elise. She was transferred from the Omaha NE hospital to a local hospital in Eureka Springs, AR. Sympathy and get well cards can be sent to Elise Roegnick ,C/O Crescent Hotel. The address is on the website. Harvey Kravitz --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Loran T. Hughes wrote: From: Loran T. Hughes Subject: [Phono-L] Have A Safe Holiday! To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 12:54 PM Hope everyone in Phono-L land has a safe and fun holiday this weekend! Loran P.S., Thanks to everyone who filled out my survey. It will still be available through tomorrow evening, then I'll share the results. You've given me some great comments and things to think about! _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From marioaf at optusnet.com.au Fri Jul 3 22:47:53 2009 From: marioaf at optusnet.com.au (Mario Frazzetto) Date: Fri Jul 3 14:49:20 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] WANTED: 1A Parts Message-ID: <4A4EED09.9080509@optusnet.com.au> Hi Folks, If you have an Oak 1A parts machine then I'm very keen to hear about it. I am looking for the workings to an Oak 1A (So gunmetal or brown). As well as a grill (original). If you can assist in this area please email me on marioaf@optusnet.com.au Regards, Mario From steve_noreen at msn.com Fri Jul 3 16:00:06 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:00:06 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] US Everlasting cylinders (Cleveland) Message-ID: What are the cores made of on these? Steve From loran at oldcrank.com Fri Jul 3 16:01:06 2009 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:01:06 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Server Maintenance Message-ID: Folks, I'm running a few server updates today, so Phono-L may be off line for a bit here and there. Thanks, Loran From khwright at hotmail.com Fri Jul 3 15:48:10 2009 From: khwright at hotmail.com (Keith Wright) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:48:10 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Have A Safe Holiday! In-Reply-To: <998dac550907021254o728ed3a5o3a771b14dea4f47f@mail.gmail.com> References: <998dac550907021254o728ed3a5o3a771b14dea4f47f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: But Loran, those of us in the True North Strong and Free had our holiday on Wednesday! (Played 'O Canada' and 'The Maple Leaf Forever' on the Cygnet Fireside for the neighbours--that's with a 'u'.) Remember you've got an international following. Have a safe and happy one anyway! Cheers, Keith > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:54:19 -0700 > From: loran at oldcrank.com > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Have A Safe Holiday! > > Hope everyone in Phono-L land has a safe and fun holiday this weekend! > Loran > > P.S., Thanks to everyone who filled out my survey. It will still be > available through tomorrow evening, then I'll share the results. You've > given me some great comments and things to think about! > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _________________________________________________________________ Internet explorer 8 lets you browse the web faster. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9655582 From loran at oldcrank.com Fri Jul 3 16:24:15 2009 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:24:15 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment Test Message-ID: <59A912F4-9E60-4294-8EF5-FB80A532A370@oldcrank.com> Testing an attachment solution - this small photo should come through as a link. Anyone care to guess as to what I've been doing all day? Loran -------------- next part -------------- From loran at oldcrank.com Fri Jul 3 16:28:54 2009 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:28:54 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment test - again Message-ID: Sorry for the test emails, folks. Just trying to get some settings correct. Loran -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSCF0005.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18497 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- From AllenAmet at aol.com Fri Jul 3 16:28:53 2009 From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:28:53 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] US Everlasting cylinders (Cleveland) Message-ID: In a message dated 7/3/2009 7:01:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, steve_noreen at msn.com writes: What are the cores made of on these? Steve ----------------- asphalt impregnated wood pulp. allen From abefeder1 at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 16:29:56 2009 From: abefeder1 at gmail.com (Abe Feder) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:29:56 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment Test In-Reply-To: <59A912F4-9E60-4294-8EF5-FB80A532A370@oldcrank.com> References: <59A912F4-9E60-4294-8EF5-FB80A532A370@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: <4e885f140907031629t282ab425jdfd55f7cb5321e84@mail.gmail.com> Hi Loran, No link or photo can thru Abe On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Loran Hughes wrote: > Testing an attachment solution - this small photo should come through as a > link. Anyone care to guess as to what I've been doing all day? > > Loran > > -------------- next part -------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From abefeder1 at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 16:31:03 2009 From: abefeder1 at gmail.com (Abe Feder) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:31:03 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment test - again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4e885f140907031631s61899a7av6df9cb69f519aa2@mail.gmail.com> Loran' OK! now I got it-neat machine-Abe On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Loran Hughes wrote: > Sorry for the test emails, folks. Just trying to get some settings correct. > > Loran > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: DSCF0005.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 18497 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20090703/4948c686/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From loran at oldcrank.com Fri Jul 3 16:56:05 2009 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:56:05 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment test - again In-Reply-To: <4e885f140907031631s61899a7av6df9cb69f519aa2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4e885f140907031631s61899a7av6df9cb69f519aa2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <04CFF65A-33F1-48F3-9EFA-BB8F1EB7400D@oldcrank.com> The attachment test was inspired by the survey - the results of which I'll share soon. A hefty majority want the ability to share photos via Phono-L, however there were valid concerns raised about the possibility of viruses and large attachments. I'm attempting the "have your cake and eat it too" solution. Photo attachments will be automagically stripped from the post, uploaded to the server, and linkified. I can keep executable files from being uploaded while allowing things like jpg & pdf files (Phono-L posts are always scanned for viruses before posting). This will also be the ideal solution for those subscribers who are still on dial-up and can't handle large email messages. Anyhoo, once I make a few more adjustments, I'll let everyone know when it's ready for use by the membership. Regards, Loran On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Abe Feder wrote: > Loran' > OK! now I got it-neat machine-Abe > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan at old-phonographs.com Fri Jul 3 17:49:13 2009 From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:49:13 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment Test In-Reply-To: <59A912F4-9E60-4294-8EF5-FB80A532A370@oldcrank.com> References: <59A912F4-9E60-4294-8EF5-FB80A532A370@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: Looks like you are having fun. Well, fun from a nerdy computery sort of way. I don't see a link in this email. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loran Hughes" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment Test > Testing an attachment solution - this small photo should come through as > a link. Anyone care to guess as to what I've been doing all day? > > Loran > > -------------- next part -------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From loran at oldcrank.com Fri Jul 3 18:23:02 2009 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:23:02 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment Test In-Reply-To: References: <59A912F4-9E60-4294-8EF5-FB80A532A370@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: <74E6036E-9208-4A9E-AA77-219FCC707A56@oldcrank.com> On Jul 3, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Daniel Melvin wrote: > Looks like you are having fun. Well, fun from a nerdy computery sort > of way. Yeah, I'm definitely getting my nerd on, Dan! This one should have two attachments - pics of my dollhouse L-door. If anyone has a problem with these tests, please let me know... especially if you are on dial- up, get the digest, etc. Loran -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSCF0002_1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 38426 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSCF0005_1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 46257 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- From dan at old-phonographs.com Fri Jul 3 19:07:27 2009 From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:07:27 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment Test In-Reply-To: <74E6036E-9208-4A9E-AA77-219FCC707A56@oldcrank.com> References: <59A912F4-9E60-4294-8EF5-FB80A532A370@oldcrank.com> <74E6036E-9208-4A9E-AA77-219FCC707A56@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: looks correct ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loran Hughes" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attachment Test > On Jul 3, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Daniel Melvin wrote: > >> Looks like you are having fun. Well, fun from a nerdy computery sort of >> way. > > Yeah, I'm definitely getting my nerd on, Dan! This one should have two > attachments - pics of my dollhouse L-door. If anyone has a problem with > these tests, please let me know... especially if you are on dial- up, get > the digest, etc. > > Loran > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: DSCF0002_1.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 38426 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: DSCF0005_1.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 46257 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From loran at oldcrank.com Fri Jul 3 19:23:20 2009 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:23:20 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Survey Results Message-ID: <2417B6EE-0036-4C48-B233-08BB043F2C62@oldcrank.com> Here are the results from the survey, with my comments. Thanks for the feedback and kind words! I got an impressive 92 responses. Loran 1. What type of internet connection do you have? Broadband (cable, DSL, or satellite): 93.5% Dial-up: 6.5% I have no idea: 0% 2. Do you receive Phono-L as individual emails or the digest edition? Individual Emails: 94.6% Digest: 5.4% I don't know: 0% 3. Do you have problems receiving Phono-L in your email? Yes - It goes into my junk/spam folder: 2.2% Yes - I don't seem to receive all the postings: 7.6% No: 90.2% My Comments: It's encouraging to see that most don't have problems, but I'll continue to work on making Phono-L as spam filter friendly as possible. 4. Would you like the ability to attach scans, photos and PDF documents to your Phono-L postings? Yes: 89.0% No: 11.0% My Comments: Your wish is my command. As of today, you can attach photos and documents, with two requirements. First, they must be jpg or pdf format only - all other types of attachments are blocked. Second, your entire message can't be over 200k bytes. Attachments are automatically uploaded to the server and linked in your post. I would still encourage you to use a photo sharing site if you need to send more than a couple of small photos. 5. What type of online community do you prefer or find more useful (Phono-L is an email list)? Email List: 73.6% Message Board: 26.4% Blog: 0% 6. Would you be interested in an online publication in the form of a 'blog', or something downloadable, like a PDF. Blog: 8.0% Downloadable PDF: 12.5% Either: 35.2% No: 44.3% 7. If Phono-L launched a blog, would you be willing to contribute articles and/or be an editor? Yes - Articles: 21.8% Yes - Editor: 0.0% Yes - Both: 6.9% No: 71.3% 8. Would you like a sale/trade board? Yes: 89.9% No: 10.1% My Comments: I'll see what I can do! From lherault at bu.edu Fri Jul 3 19:52:53 2009 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:52:53 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment Test In-Reply-To: <74E6036E-9208-4A9E-AA77-219FCC707A56@oldcrank.com> References: <59A912F4-9E60-4294-8EF5-FB80A532A370@oldcrank.com> <74E6036E-9208-4A9E-AA77-219FCC707A56@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: It looks like it could play a record! Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Loran Hughes Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:23 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attachment Test On Jul 3, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Daniel Melvin wrote: > Looks like you are having fun. Well, fun from a nerdy computery sort > of way. Yeah, I'm definitely getting my nerd on, Dan! This one should have two attachments - pics of my dollhouse L-door. If anyone has a problem with these tests, please let me know... especially if you are on dial- up, get the digest, etc. Loran -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSCF0002_1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 38426 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSCF0005_1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 46257 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From pjfraser at alamedanet.net Fri Jul 3 23:02:25 2009 From: pjfraser at alamedanet.net (Peter Fraser) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:02:25 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment Test In-Reply-To: References: <59A912F4-9E60-4294-8EF5-FB80A532A370@oldcrank.com> <74E6036E-9208-4A9E-AA77-219FCC707A56@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: <2EE72A43-B5AC-43CA-B3BC-A06DDF2880B9@alamedanet.net> I think you may need to figure out a way to shorten the length of the URLs, or we'll start endless strings of "the link won't work for me" messages due to truncation and formatting issues... Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfraser at mac.com On Jul 3, 2009, at 7:52 PM, "Ron L'Herault" wrote: > It looks like it could play a record! > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l- > bounces at oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Loran Hughes > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:23 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attachment Test > > On Jul 3, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Daniel Melvin wrote: > >> Looks like you are having fun. Well, fun from a nerdy computery sort >> of way. > > Yeah, I'm definitely getting my nerd on, Dan! This one should have two > attachments - pics of my dollhouse L-door. If anyone has a problem > with these tests, please let me know... especially if you are on dial- > up, get the digest, etc. > > Loran > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: DSCF0002_1.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 38426 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > ent.jpg> > -------------- next part -------------- > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: DSCF0005_1.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 46257 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > ent-0001.jpg> > -------------- next part -------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rvuill at comcast.net Sat Jul 4 03:01:28 2009 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 06:01:28 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment test - again References: <4e885f140907031631s61899a7av6df9cb69f519aa2@mail.gmail.com> <04CFF65A-33F1-48F3-9EFA-BB8F1EB7400D@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: Loran, That sounds great. I always had trouble sending pictures to the photo section. Thanks for the upgrade. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loran Hughes" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attachment test - again > The attachment test was inspired by the survey - the results of which > I'll share soon. A hefty majority want the ability to share photos via > Phono-L, however there were valid concerns raised about the > possibility of viruses and large attachments. > > I'm attempting the "have your cake and eat it too" solution. Photo > attachments will be automagically stripped from the post, uploaded to > the server, and linkified. I can keep executable files from being > uploaded while allowing things like jpg & pdf files (Phono-L posts are > always scanned for viruses before posting). This will also be the > ideal solution for those subscribers who are still on dial-up and > can't handle large email messages. > > Anyhoo, once I make a few more adjustments, I'll let everyone know > when it's ready for use by the membership. > > Regards, > Loran > > On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Abe Feder wrote: > >> Loran' >> OK! now I got it-neat machine-Abe >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2216 - Release Date: 07/03/09 05:53:00 From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sat Jul 4 07:16:58 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:16:58 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment Test In-Reply-To: <2EE72A43-B5AC-43CA-B3BC-A06DDF2880B9@alamedanet.net> References: <59A912F4-9E60-4294-8EF5-FB80A532A370@oldcrank.com> <74E6036E-9208-4A9E-AA77-219FCC707A56@oldcrank.com> <2EE72A43-B5AC-43CA-B3BC-A06DDF2880B9@alamedanet.net> Message-ID: <4A4F645A.4010105@octoxol.com> I think that is the problem for the receiver to sort out. Its all in your e-mail client and some are just plain brain damaged. Peter Fraser wrote: > I think you may need to figure out a way to shorten the length of the > URLs, or we'll start endless strings of "the link won't work for me" > messages due to truncation and formatting issues... > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- Peter > pjfraser at mac.com > > On Jul 3, 2009, at 7:52 PM, "Ron L'Herault" wrote: > >> It looks like it could play a record! >> >> Ron L >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org >> [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On >> Behalf Of Loran Hughes >> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:23 PM >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attachment Test >> >> On Jul 3, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Daniel Melvin wrote: >> >>> Looks like you are having fun. Well, fun from a nerdy computery sort >>> of way. >> >> Yeah, I'm definitely getting my nerd on, Dan! This one should have two >> attachments - pics of my dollhouse L-door. If anyone has a problem >> with these tests, please let me know... especially if you are on dial- >> up, get the digest, etc. >> >> Loran >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: DSCF0002_1.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 38426 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> > >> ent.jpg> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: DSCF0005_1.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 46257 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> > >> ent-0001.jpg> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From steve_noreen at msn.com Sat Jul 4 08:40:53 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:40:53 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment test - tall Edison grease jar In-Reply-To: <04CFF65A-33F1-48F3-9EFA-BB8F1EB7400D@oldcrank.com> References: <4e885f140907031631s61899a7av6df9cb69f519aa2@mail.gmail.com> <04CFF65A-33F1-48F3-9EFA-BB8F1EB7400D@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: Attachment test. Steve -------------- ATTACHMENT -------------- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: grease jar.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 52035 bytes URL: From pjfraser at alamedanet.net Sat Jul 4 09:50:05 2009 From: pjfraser at alamedanet.net (Peter Fraser) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:50:05 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment Test In-Reply-To: <4A4F645A.4010105@octoxol.com> References: <59A912F4-9E60-4294-8EF5-FB80A532A370@oldcrank.com> <74E6036E-9208-4A9E-AA77-219FCC707A56@oldcrank.com> <2EE72A43-B5AC-43CA-B3BC-A06DDF2880B9@alamedanet.net> <4A4F645A.4010105@octoxol.com> Message-ID: exactly, and those are the ones who send the emails i'm talking about. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:16 AM, Rich wrote: > I think that is the problem for the receiver to sort out. Its all > in your e-mail client and some are just plain brain damaged. > > Peter Fraser wrote: >> I think you may need to figure out a way to shorten the length of >> the URLs, or we'll start endless strings of "the link won't work >> for me" messages due to truncation and formatting issues... >> Sent from my iPhone >> -- Peter >> pjfraser at mac.com From gn at audio-restoration.com Sat Jul 4 08:55:33 2009 From: gn at audio-restoration.com (Graham Newton) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:55:33 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Survey Results In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A4F7B75.9080701@audio-restoration.com> Loran Hughes said... > Here are the results from the survey, with my comments. > 8. Would you like a sale/trade board? > Yes: 89.9% > No: 10.1% > My Comments: I'll see what I can do! Let me remind Loran and all phono-l members of the existence of the 78-C message list which is on YahooGroups and of which I am the moderator. As of today there are 801 members world-wide. Go here to see the groups web page:- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/78-c/ The list was founded in Jul 1998 as an offshoot of the 78-L mailing list to provide a place for anyone to buy/sell/trade or list wants for anything related to 78 rpm records and that includes the records themselves, phonographs, needles, parts and pretty well anything related that you can think of. Postings are limited to buy/sell/trade/auction lists or wants so if you have an interest in these things, you are welcome to join the list. Discussion or research should be posted to other lists like phono-l or 78-L which were intended for the purpose. ... Graham Newton -- Audio Restoration by Graham Newton, http://www.audio-restoration.com World class professional services applied to tape or phonograph records for consumers and re-releases, featuring CEDAR's CAMBRIDGE processes. From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sat Jul 4 10:09:23 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:09:23 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment test - tall Edison grease jar In-Reply-To: References: <4e885f140907031631s61899a7av6df9cb69f519aa2@mail.gmail.com> <04CFF65A-33F1-48F3-9EFA-BB8F1EB7400D@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: <4A4F8CC3.4010200@octoxol.com> So, does that make slippery diamonds? ;-) Steven Medved wrote: > Attachment test. > > Steve > > -------------- ATTACHMENT -------------- > **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** > Name: grease jar.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 52035 bytes > URL: > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sat Jul 4 10:16:55 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:16:55 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment Test In-Reply-To: References: <59A912F4-9E60-4294-8EF5-FB80A532A370@oldcrank.com> <74E6036E-9208-4A9E-AA77-219FCC707A56@oldcrank.com> <2EE72A43-B5AC-43CA-B3BC-A06DDF2880B9@alamedanet.net> <4A4F645A.4010105@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <4A4F8E87.1020600@octoxol.com> Yes, I know. Another use for the mighty Delete key. The broken URL is not so bad but the crlf that 1 or 2 e-mail programs stuff in there is a problem. Peter Fraser wrote: > exactly, and those are the ones who send the emails i'm talking about. > > On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:16 AM, Rich wrote: > >> I think that is the problem for the receiver to sort out. Its all in >> your e-mail client and some are just plain brain damaged. >> >> Peter Fraser wrote: >>> I think you may need to figure out a way to shorten the length of the >>> URLs, or we'll start endless strings of "the link won't work for me" >>> messages due to truncation and formatting issues... >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> -- Peter >>> pjfraser at mac.com > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From abefeder1 at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 13:30:03 2009 From: abefeder1 at gmail.com (Abe Feder) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:30:03 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment Test In-Reply-To: <4A4F8E87.1020600@octoxol.com> References: <59A912F4-9E60-4294-8EF5-FB80A532A370@oldcrank.com> <74E6036E-9208-4A9E-AA77-219FCC707A56@oldcrank.com> <2EE72A43-B5AC-43CA-B3BC-A06DDF2880B9@alamedanet.net> <4A4F645A.4010105@octoxol.com> <4A4F8E87.1020600@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <4e885f140907041330g24575072hba958f664c00b026@mail.gmail.com> No problems-Abe On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Rich wrote: > Yes, I know. Another use for the mighty Delete key. The broken URL is not > so bad but the crlf that 1 or 2 e-mail programs stuff in there is a problem. > > > > Peter Fraser wrote: > >> exactly, and those are the ones who send the emails i'm talking about. >> >> On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:16 AM, Rich wrote: >> >> I think that is the problem for the receiver to sort out. Its all in your >>> e-mail client and some are just plain brain damaged. >>> >>> Peter Fraser wrote: >>> >>>> I think you may need to figure out a way to shorten the length of the >>>> URLs, or we'll start endless strings of "the link won't work for me" >>>> messages due to truncation and formatting issues... >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> -- Peter >>>> pjfraser at mac.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From rvuill at comcast.net Sat Jul 4 14:11:47 2009 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:11:47 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear References: <373081E346314B369846BF1DCF87E976@your4dacd0ea75> <4A3E60A4.3080902@octoxol.com><81F0CD3BE0EA4274AD8B008F1BFA2AB5@your4dacd0ea75> <4A3E87DB.3030709@octoxol.com><1CDB3A5005A446C3B5F21A95A414A07C@your4dacd0ea75> <4A40149E.4060108@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <44945F0BE8B44896BB5F5D14E34BE73F@your4dacd0ea75> Hi Rich, Well I thought it was fixed by replacing the felt but not so. The fiber gear is definitely stripped. I can still see the gear teeth so that if I can build it up with something I can file out the excess an hopefully have a useable gear. The question is what to use to build it up. I guess the first thing to do is clean off the gear completely so that whatever I use will stick. I assume I can remove all the grease with something like acetone. Do you know what the fiber gear is made from? This would help in deciding what to use. Two possible materials come to mind. The first is Weldwood wood filler. It looks a lot like the firer gear and could be worked easily with a small Swiss pattern file after it set up. I'm not sure if it will stick to the firer gear material or is strong enough to form the replacement teeth. The second possibility is a clear epoxy. The advantage to this is that the pattern of the original teeth will be visible through it and it will be easier to see how the teeth should be filed. Do you have any suggestions? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear > If you plan on using the machine a lot it will still help to change it > out. Once the felt gets oil soaked and the old oil oxidizes its pretty > much done. > > Good to hear that it worked out well! > > Rich > > Bob wrote: >> Hi Rich, >> Well you were right, the felt was the problem. It was quite >> distorted and hanging over the edge of the brass disk on the governor. >> . As the rest of the felt looked pretty good, I only had to reposition >> it in the arm that holds it and cut off the excess and reform the front >> so that it was parallel with the governor disk. Thanks for your help. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >> >> >>> Try and change the felt without spreading the bent metal that holds it. >>> Usually you can cut a piece of real wool felt a bit tapered and pull >>> it into the clamp without bending them as they tend to break. Use real >>> 100% wool felt or it will fail. >>> >>> Bob wrote: >>>> Hi Rich, >>>> The governor felt is pretty much as you described. I will change >>>> that first. If it's that easy I owe this list a Big Thank you. >>>> Bob >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >>>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:32 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >>>> >>>> >>>>> Most of the older fiber gears are destroyed by petroleum. Clean it >>>>> off >>>>> and look at it real hard. Sanding is not going to fix it. look at >>>>> the >>>>> felt pad that the governor runs against if its oil soaked and mushed >>>>> out >>>>> the governor will flutter. Replace the felt. Use real felt and not >>>>> cheap polyester. F-1 or F-2 grade felt works. The felt is easy, the >>>>> gear not so. >>>>> >>>>> Bob wrote: >>>>>> I'm restoring a Thorens Excelda. I've got it running pretty well but >>>>>> am having a severe problem with wow and flutter. It's so bad that it >>>>>> makes listening almost impossible. The records appear to be >>>>>> traveling at a consistent speed but there must be minute hesitations >>>>>> that are impossible to see but they surely affect the sound quality. >>>>>> The mainspring is plenty strong so that's not the problem and the >>>>>> reproducer sounds fantastic on other machines. The problem appears >>>>>> to be caused by excessive wear on the fiber gear that mates with the >>>>>> worm gear in the governor. A friend suggested I clean it and try to >>>>>> build up the bad areas with JB Weld. I'm afraid to do this because I >>>>>> think it will be very difficult to control and be irreversible if I >>>>>> do it wrong. I've been thinking about cleaning all the grease off of >>>>>> it and checking over for defects with a magnifier. If I can see >>>>>> areas in the gear thread that are raised I will smooth them out with >>>>>> sand paper. To try to build up an >>>>> y areas that look low I will paint on some lacquer or urethane >>>>> varnish. As I mentioned earlier, the turntable appears to be rotating >>>>> at a consistent speed so It shouldn't take much to true up the teeth >>>>> enough to work properly. I'm looking for second opinions on this >>>>> technique or any other technique that you think will solve the >>>>> problem. Thanks >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: >>>> 06/21/09 05:53:00 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: >> 06/21/09 05:53:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: 06/22/09 06:54:00 From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sat Jul 4 15:27:31 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:27:31 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear In-Reply-To: <44945F0BE8B44896BB5F5D14E34BE73F@your4dacd0ea75> References: <373081E346314B369846BF1DCF87E976@your4dacd0ea75> <4A3E60A4.3080902@octoxol.com><81F0CD3BE0EA4274AD8B008F1BFA2AB5@your4dacd0ea75> <4A3E87DB.3030709@octoxol.com><1CDB3A5005A446C3B5F21A95A414A07C@your4dacd0ea75> <4A40149E.4060108@octoxol.com> <44945F0BE8B44896BB5F5D14E34BE73F@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <4A4FD753.1060903@octoxol.com> Bob, I used to know what those were made out of but right now its a blank. The trick is to get the grease out of it so something will bond properly. Once its clean I think I would use a thinned epoxy as a paint to build it up and firm up what was left. Most products sold as epoxy are polyester and that will not work. The easiest place to find the real epoxy is a marina and acetone is the thinner for it. You can thin it down so it can be brushed on. Bob wrote: > Hi Rich, > Well I thought it was fixed by replacing the felt but not so. The > fiber gear is definitely stripped. I can still see the gear teeth so > that if I can build it up with something I can file out the excess an > hopefully have a useable gear. The question is what to use to build it > up. I guess the first thing to do is clean off the gear completely so > that whatever I use will stick. I assume I can remove all the grease > with something like acetone. Do you know what the fiber gear is made > from? This would help in deciding what to use. Two possible materials > come to mind. The first is Weldwood wood filler. It looks a lot like > the firer gear and could be worked easily with a small Swiss pattern > file after it set up. I'm not sure if it will stick to the firer gear > material or is strong enough to form the replacement teeth. The second > possibility is a clear epoxy. The advantage to this is that the pattern > of the original teeth will be visible through it and it will be easier > to see how the teeth should be filed. Do you have any suggestions? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear > > >> If you plan on using the machine a lot it will still help to change it >> out. Once the felt gets oil soaked and the old oil oxidizes its pretty >> much done. >> >> Good to hear that it worked out well! >> >> Rich >> >> Bob wrote: >>> Hi Rich, >>> Well you were right, the felt was the problem. It was quite >>> distorted and hanging over the edge of the brass disk on the governor. >>> . As the rest of the felt looked pretty good, I only had to reposition >>> it in the arm that holds it and cut off the excess and reform the front >>> so that it was parallel with the governor disk. Thanks for your help. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >>> >>> >>>> Try and change the felt without spreading the bent metal that holds it. >>>> Usually you can cut a piece of real wool felt a bit tapered and pull >>>> it into the clamp without bending them as they tend to break. Use real >>>> 100% wool felt or it will fail. >>>> >>>> Bob wrote: >>>>> Hi Rich, >>>>> The governor felt is pretty much as you described. I will change >>>>> that first. If it's that easy I owe this list a Big Thank you. >>>>> Bob >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >>>>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:32 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Most of the older fiber gears are destroyed by petroleum. Clean >>>>>> it off >>>>>> and look at it real hard. Sanding is not going to fix it. look >>>>>> at the >>>>>> felt pad that the governor runs against if its oil soaked and mushed >>>>>> out >>>>>> the governor will flutter. Replace the felt. Use real felt and not >>>>>> cheap polyester. F-1 or F-2 grade felt works. The felt is easy, the >>>>>> gear not so. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob wrote: >>>>>>> I'm restoring a Thorens Excelda. I've got it running pretty well >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> am having a severe problem with wow and flutter. It's so bad >>>>>>> that it >>>>>>> makes listening almost impossible. The records appear to be >>>>>>> traveling at a consistent speed but there must be minute hesitations >>>>>>> that are impossible to see but they surely affect the sound quality. >>>>>>> The mainspring is plenty strong so that's not the problem and the >>>>>>> reproducer sounds fantastic on other machines. The problem appears >>>>>>> to be caused by excessive wear on the fiber gear that mates with the >>>>>>> worm gear in the governor. A friend suggested I clean it and try to >>>>>>> build up the bad areas with JB Weld. I'm afraid to do this >>>>>>> because I >>>>>>> think it will be very difficult to control and be irreversible if I >>>>>>> do it wrong. I've been thinking about cleaning all the grease >>>>>>> off of >>>>>>> it and checking over for defects with a magnifier. If I can see >>>>>>> areas in the gear thread that are raised I will smooth them out with >>>>>>> sand paper. To try to build up an >>>>>> y areas that look low I will paint on some lacquer or urethane >>>>>> varnish. As I mentioned earlier, the turntable appears to be rotating >>>>>> at a consistent speed so It shouldn't take much to true up the teeth >>>>>> enough to work properly. I'm looking for second opinions on this >>>>>> technique or any other technique that you think will solve the >>>>>> problem. Thanks >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: >>>>> 06/21/09 05:53:00 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: >>> 06/21/09 05:53:00 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: > 06/22/09 06:54:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From barry at barrykasindorf.com Sun Jul 5 07:37:18 2009 From: barry at barrykasindorf.com (Barry Kasindorf) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:37:18 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear In-Reply-To: <44945F0BE8B44896BB5F5D14E34BE73F@your4dacd0ea75> References: <373081E346314B369846BF1DCF87E976@your4dacd0ea75> <4A3E60A4.3080902@octoxol.com><81F0CD3BE0EA4274AD8B008F1BFA2AB5@your4dacd0ea75> <4A3E87DB.3030709@octoxol.com><1CDB3A5005A446C3B5F21A95A414A07C@your4dacd0ea75> <4A40149E.4060108@octoxol.com> <44945F0BE8B44896BB5F5D14E34BE73F@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <4A50BA9E.9030905@barrykasindorf.com> We had a new fiber gear made for a jukebox I have. He used a CNC machine and cut it from the old gear, cost about $50. An easier thing may be to use a gear from a junker Thorens. I probably have one here. -Barry Bob wrote: > Hi Rich, > Well I thought it was fixed by replacing the felt but not so. The > fiber gear is definitely stripped. I can still see the gear teeth so > that if I can build it up with something I can file out the excess an > hopefully have a useable gear. The question is what to use to build it > up. I guess the first thing to do is clean off the gear completely so > that whatever I use will stick. I assume I can remove all the grease > with something like acetone. Do you know what the fiber gear is made > from? This would help in deciding what to use. Two possible materials > come to mind. The first is Weldwood wood filler. It looks a lot like > the firer gear and could be worked easily with a small Swiss pattern > file after it set up. I'm not sure if it will stick to the firer gear > material or is strong enough to form the replacement teeth. The second > possibility is a clear epoxy. The advantage to this is that the pattern > of the original teeth will be visible through it and it will be easier > to see how the teeth should be filed. Do you have any suggestions? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear > > >> If you plan on using the machine a lot it will still help to change it >> out. Once the felt gets oil soaked and the old oil oxidizes its pretty >> much done. >> >> Good to hear that it worked out well! >> >> Rich >> >> Bob wrote: >>> Hi Rich, >>> Well you were right, the felt was the problem. It was quite >>> distorted and hanging over the edge of the brass disk on the governor. >>> . As the rest of the felt looked pretty good, I only had to reposition >>> it in the arm that holds it and cut off the excess and reform the front >>> so that it was parallel with the governor disk. Thanks for your help. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >>> >>> >>>> Try and change the felt without spreading the bent metal that holds it. >>>> Usually you can cut a piece of real wool felt a bit tapered and pull >>>> it into the clamp without bending them as they tend to break. Use real >>>> 100% wool felt or it will fail. >>>> >>>> Bob wrote: >>>>> Hi Rich, >>>>> The governor felt is pretty much as you described. I will change >>>>> that first. If it's that easy I owe this list a Big Thank you. >>>>> Bob >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >>>>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:32 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Most of the older fiber gears are destroyed by petroleum. Clean >>>>>> it off >>>>>> and look at it real hard. Sanding is not going to fix it. look >>>>>> at the >>>>>> felt pad that the governor runs against if its oil soaked and mushed >>>>>> out >>>>>> the governor will flutter. Replace the felt. Use real felt and not >>>>>> cheap polyester. F-1 or F-2 grade felt works. The felt is easy, the >>>>>> gear not so. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob wrote: >>>>>>> I'm restoring a Thorens Excelda. I've got it running pretty well >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> am having a severe problem with wow and flutter. It's so bad >>>>>>> that it >>>>>>> makes listening almost impossible. The records appear to be >>>>>>> traveling at a consistent speed but there must be minute hesitations >>>>>>> that are impossible to see but they surely affect the sound quality. >>>>>>> The mainspring is plenty strong so that's not the problem and the >>>>>>> reproducer sounds fantastic on other machines. The problem appears >>>>>>> to be caused by excessive wear on the fiber gear that mates with the >>>>>>> worm gear in the governor. A friend suggested I clean it and try to >>>>>>> build up the bad areas with JB Weld. I'm afraid to do this >>>>>>> because I >>>>>>> think it will be very difficult to control and be irreversible if I >>>>>>> do it wrong. I've been thinking about cleaning all the grease >>>>>>> off of >>>>>>> it and checking over for defects with a magnifier. If I can see >>>>>>> areas in the gear thread that are raised I will smooth them out with >>>>>>> sand paper. To try to build up an >>>>>> y areas that look low I will paint on some lacquer or urethane >>>>>> varnish. As I mentioned earlier, the turntable appears to be rotating >>>>>> at a consistent speed so It shouldn't take much to true up the teeth >>>>>> enough to work properly. I'm looking for second opinions on this >>>>>> technique or any other technique that you think will solve the >>>>>> problem. Thanks >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: >>>>> 06/21/09 05:53:00 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: >>> 06/21/09 05:53:00 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: > 06/22/09 06:54:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From AGW1886 at aol.com Sun Jul 5 11:18:28 2009 From: AGW1886 at aol.com (AGW1886 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:18:28 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear Message-ID: Hello, I have had to have gears made over the years. I've even replaced fiber gears with brass gears. If you go to a clock repair shop, they will have connections to small gear cutting companies. Sometimes they will hand you the suppliers book for you to select for your inquiries directly to the gear cutters. I have always found the quality superb and quite reasonable. Sincerely. Rick A. Jorgensen GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION http://www.geaaonline.org UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KIN CENTRE STORIES http://www.montanaphonograph.com/unclejosh.html ************** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222887319x1201497660/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=JulyExcfooterNO62) From Srsells1 at aol.com Sun Jul 5 13:35:32 2009 From: Srsells1 at aol.com (Srsells1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:35:32 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Wife Swap looking for Collectors! Message-ID: This was on 78-L and too good NOT to share Steve ABC?S WIFE SWAP CASTING FAMILIES OF COLLECTORS FOR PRIMETIME! Wife Swap is currently casting for our fifth season and we are looking for families who are collectors! If you think you have the best collection around, then I want to hear from you! The premise of Wife Swap is simple: for seven days, two wives from two different families with very different values exchange husbands, children and lives (but not bedrooms) to discover what it's like to live a different family's life. It's an interesting social experiment and a great way to see your family in a whole new light. It is shot as a documentary series, so NO scripts and no set. It's just a small camera crew that is documenting your life.Families that appear on the show will receive a generous financial honorarium and if you refer a family that appears on the show you would receive $1000. Here at 'Wife Swap' we look for a two-parent home with at least one child between the ages of 7 and 17 living at home full time..If you are interested, please email me your contact information and tell me a little about your family. Or if you would like to refer a family, please email me their contact information and I will be in touch. Thank you!-- Gaby WilsonCasting ProducerWife Swap _gaby.wifeswap at gmail.com_ (http://us.mc431.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gaby.wifeswap at gmail.com) **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222887319x1201497660/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) From rvuill at comcast.net Mon Jul 6 03:10:54 2009 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 06:10:54 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear References: <373081E346314B369846BF1DCF87E976@your4dacd0ea75><4A3E60A4.3080902@octoxol.com><81F0CD3BE0EA4274AD8B008F1BFA2AB5@your4dacd0ea75><4A3E87DB.3030709@octoxol.com><1CDB3A5005A446C3B5F21A95A414A07C@your4dacd0ea75><4A40149E.4060108@octoxol.com><44945F0BE8B44896BB5F5D14E34BE73F@your4dacd0ea75> <4A50BA9E.9030905@barrykasindorf.com> Message-ID: <9A86BDD6E320454CA43DC9A57603EC7D@your4dacd0ea75> Hi Barry, If you have a fiber gear for the Thorens, let me know. I coould pick it up at the next MOCAPS meeting. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Kasindorf" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear > We had a new fiber gear made for a jukebox I have. He used a CNC machine > and cut it from the old gear, cost about $50. An easier thing may be to > use a gear from a junker Thorens. I probably have one here. > -Barry > > > Bob wrote: >> Hi Rich, >> Well I thought it was fixed by replacing the felt but not so. The >> fiber gear is definitely stripped. I can still see the gear teeth so >> that if I can build it up with something I can file out the excess an >> hopefully have a useable gear. The question is what to use to build it >> up. I guess the first thing to do is clean off the gear completely so >> that whatever I use will stick. I assume I can remove all the grease >> with something like acetone. Do you know what the fiber gear is made >> from? This would help in deciding what to use. Two possible materials >> come to mind. The first is Weldwood wood filler. It looks a lot like >> the firer gear and could be worked easily with a small Swiss pattern >> file after it set up. I'm not sure if it will stick to the firer gear >> material or is strong enough to form the replacement teeth. The second >> possibility is a clear epoxy. The advantage to this is that the pattern >> of the original teeth will be visible through it and it will be easier >> to see how the teeth should be filed. Do you have any suggestions? >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >> >> >>> If you plan on using the machine a lot it will still help to change it >>> out. Once the felt gets oil soaked and the old oil oxidizes its pretty >>> much done. >>> >>> Good to hear that it worked out well! >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> Bob wrote: >>>> Hi Rich, >>>> Well you were right, the felt was the problem. It was quite >>>> distorted and hanging over the edge of the brass disk on the governor. >>>> . As the rest of the felt looked pretty good, I only had to reposition >>>> it in the arm that holds it and cut off the excess and reform the front >>>> so that it was parallel with the governor disk. Thanks for your help. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >>>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >>>> >>>> >>>>> Try and change the felt without spreading the bent metal that holds >>>>> it. >>>>> Usually you can cut a piece of real wool felt a bit tapered and pull >>>>> it into the clamp without bending them as they tend to break. Use >>>>> real >>>>> 100% wool felt or it will fail. >>>>> >>>>> Bob wrote: >>>>>> Hi Rich, >>>>>> The governor felt is pretty much as you described. I will change >>>>>> that first. If it's that easy I owe this list a Big Thank you. >>>>>> Bob >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >>>>>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:32 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Most of the older fiber gears are destroyed by petroleum. Clean >>>>>>> it off >>>>>>> and look at it real hard. Sanding is not going to fix it. look >>>>>>> at the >>>>>>> felt pad that the governor runs against if its oil soaked and mushed >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> the governor will flutter. Replace the felt. Use real felt and not >>>>>>> cheap polyester. F-1 or F-2 grade felt works. The felt is easy, >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> gear not so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob wrote: >>>>>>>> I'm restoring a Thorens Excelda. I've got it running pretty well >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> am having a severe problem with wow and flutter. It's so bad >>>>>>>> that it >>>>>>>> makes listening almost impossible. The records appear to be >>>>>>>> traveling at a consistent speed but there must be minute >>>>>>>> hesitations >>>>>>>> that are impossible to see but they surely affect the sound >>>>>>>> quality. >>>>>>>> The mainspring is plenty strong so that's not the problem and the >>>>>>>> reproducer sounds fantastic on other machines. The problem appears >>>>>>>> to be caused by excessive wear on the fiber gear that mates with >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> worm gear in the governor. A friend suggested I clean it and try >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> build up the bad areas with JB Weld. I'm afraid to do this >>>>>>>> because I >>>>>>>> think it will be very difficult to control and be irreversible if I >>>>>>>> do it wrong. I've been thinking about cleaning all the grease >>>>>>>> off of >>>>>>>> it and checking over for defects with a magnifier. If I can see >>>>>>>> areas in the gear thread that are raised I will smooth them out >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> sand paper. To try to build up an >>>>>>> y areas that look low I will paint on some lacquer or urethane >>>>>>> varnish. As I mentioned earlier, the turntable appears to be >>>>>>> rotating >>>>>>> at a consistent speed so It shouldn't take much to true up the teeth >>>>>>> enough to work properly. I'm looking for second opinions on this >>>>>>> technique or any other technique that you think will solve the >>>>>>> problem. Thanks >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: >>>>>> 06/21/09 05:53:00 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: >>>> 06/21/09 05:53:00 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: >> 06/22/09 06:54:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.5/2219 - Release Date: 07/05/09 05:53:00 From loran at oldcrank.com Mon Jul 6 10:51:06 2009 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:51:06 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Searchable archives coming soon! Message-ID: <998dac550907061051o4a9d1130p35f670f2037393da@mail.gmail.com> Just thought you'd like to know that the Phono-L archives will soon be searchable. I'll let everyone know when it's up & working. Regards, Loran From steve_noreen at msn.com Mon Jul 6 14:58:31 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 17:58:31 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Attachment test - tall Edison grease jar In-Reply-To: <4A4F8CC3.4010200@octoxol.com> References: <4e885f140907031631s61899a7av6df9cb69f519aa2@mail.gmail.com> <04CFF65A-33F1-48F3-9EFA-BB8F1EB7400D@oldcrank.com> <4A4F8CC3.4010200@octoxol.com> Message-ID: Yes, it greatly decreases record wear. > So, does that make slippery diamonds? ;-) > > Steven Medved wrote: > > Attachment test. > > > > Steve > > > > -------------- ATTACHMENT -------------- > > **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** > > Name: grease jar.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 52035 bytes > > URL: > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Mon Jul 6 15:06:01 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:06:01 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] $799 needle tin In-Reply-To: References: <4e885f140907031631s61899a7av6df9cb69f519aa2@mail.gmail.com> <04CFF65A-33F1-48F3-9EFA-BB8F1EB7400D@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: Any info on who sold this? It sold for $799.00 on eBay. Steve who can't help but to enjoy the new attachment priviledge -------------- ATTACHMENT -------------- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: $799.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 12102 bytes URL: From andy at popyrus.com Mon Jul 6 15:50:02 2009 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:50:02 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Searchable archives coming soon! In-Reply-To: <998dac550907061051o4a9d1130p35f670f2037393da@mail.gmail.com> References: <998dac550907061051o4a9d1130p35f670f2037393da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6FCD94D7-4AAD-47AF-8376-DE3B98FE3D98@popyrus.com> That will be an incredible resource. Thank you for these meaningful and valuable efforts. Andy Baron Santa Fe On Jul 6, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Loran T. Hughes wrote: > Just thought you'd like to know that the Phono-L archives will soon be > searchable. I'll let everyone know when it's up & working. > Regards, > Loran > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rich-mail at octoxol.com Mon Jul 6 17:03:05 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:03:05 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] $799 needle tin In-Reply-To: References: <4e885f140907031631s61899a7av6df9cb69f519aa2@mail.gmail.com> <04CFF65A-33F1-48F3-9EFA-BB8F1EB7400D@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: <4A5290B9.5080306@octoxol.com> Betty Boop, Micky Mouse, and I forget the cat. 30s cartoon characters. the cartoon collectors would go for that, looks like they did. Probably was aimed at the kids before the government decided that marketing to children was a sin. Steven Medved wrote: > Any info on who sold this? It sold for $799.00 on eBay. > > Steve who can't help but to enjoy the new attachment priviledge > > -------------- ATTACHMENT -------------- > **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** > Name: $799.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 12102 bytes > URL: > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From pjfraser at alamedanet.net Mon Jul 6 18:38:35 2009 From: pjfraser at alamedanet.net (Peter Fraser) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:38:35 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Searchable archives coming soon! In-Reply-To: <998dac550907061051o4a9d1130p35f670f2037393da@mail.gmail.com> References: <998dac550907061051o4a9d1130p35f670f2037393da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: can you share the tech behind it with us, please? some of us might be curious - i know i am...thanks. On Jul 6, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Loran T. Hughes wrote: > Just thought you'd like to know that the Phono-L archives will soon be > searchable. I'll let everyone know when it's up & working. > Regards, > Loran > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Peter pjfraser at alamedanet.net From AllenAmet at aol.com Mon Jul 6 18:10:52 2009 From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 21:10:52 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] another try, smaller image (Harmony) Message-ID: The Harmony No 30 (lowboy console), made by the Columbia Phonograph Co. I don't see this in Baumbach's book, so I assume it was made for Harmony? Semi-Queen Anne style. Allen -------------- ATTACHMENT -------------- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: HarmonyNo30Columbia.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 246182 bytes URL: From Srsells1 at aol.com Tue Jul 7 05:50:00 2009 From: Srsells1 at aol.com (Srsells1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:50:00 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Nipper Building at 100 Message-ID: Big article in today's Philly newspaper on the 100 anniversary of Building 17. Nothing really new info-wise but worth sharing with you. _Camden fundraiser to celebrate birthplace of recorded sound | Philadelphia Inquirer | 07/07/2009_ (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/50112197.html) Steve **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585089x1201462806/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) From lherault at bu.edu Tue Jul 7 08:10:43 2009 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:10:43 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] another try, smaller image (Harmony) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C9EF359C49B4E79A6D1D15AA70BA1B4@ronlherault> The horn looks a lot like a VivaTonal horn. Does this have the VivaTonal arm and reproducer or the Columbia arm and acoustic reproducer? I have a Harmony in a different console cabinet style with the acoustic arm and reproducer. The motor is attached to a wooden motor board instead of the Columbia metal plate. I always assumed it was Columbia getting rid of excess stock and providing cheap machines using obsolete technology once the "Orthophonic" era hit. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of AllenAmet at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:11 PM To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] another try, smaller image (Harmony) The Harmony No 30 (lowboy console), made by the Columbia Phonograph Co. I don't see this in Baumbach's book, so I assume it was made for Harmony? Semi-Queen Anne style. Allen From jim at phono-phixer.com Tue Jul 7 09:17:14 2009 From: jim at phono-phixer.com (Jim K) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:17:14 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] another try, smaller image (Harmony) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401C024B7D8E4C1C930E3508882A65B1@Jim> Looks similar to the Silvertone Marquis I did work on a few weeks ago. Here is a pic of that machine. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:10 PM Subject: [Phono-L] another try, smaller image (Harmony) > The Harmony No 30 (lowboy console), made by the Columbia Phonograph Co. > > I don't see this in Baumbach's book, so I assume it was made for > Harmony? Semi-Queen Anne style. > > Allen > > -------------- ATTACHMENT -------------- > **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** > Name: HarmonyNo30Columbia.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 246182 bytes > URL: > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------- ATTACHMENT -------------- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: DSC01244s.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 68490 bytes URL: From AllenAmet at aol.com Tue Jul 7 10:29:14 2009 From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:29:14 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] another try, smaller image (Harmony) Message-ID: In a message dated 7/7/2009 12:12:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lherault at bu.edu writes: The horn looks a lot like a VivaTonal horn. Does this have the VivaTonal arm and reproducer or the Columbia arm and acoustic reproducer? I have a Harmony in a different console cabinet style with the acoustic arm and reproducer. -------------- I only know what he sent me - just that photo. I assume that Columbia was disposing of these to "Harmony." Allen URL: _http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20090706/77e28395/attachment.jpg_ (http:// oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20090706/77e28395/attachment.jpg) From loran at oldcrank.com Tue Jul 7 15:35:04 2009 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:35:04 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Searchable archives coming soon! In-Reply-To: References: <998dac550907061051o4a9d1130p35f670f2037393da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <998dac550907071535s738837aex7d6f89510f09146f@mail.gmail.com> Peter, I'm outsourcing it to mail-archive.com. There isn't much there yet, but I've requested that they upload our old archives, which go back to 2003. Should be pretty slick once everything is there. http://www.mail-archive.com/phono-l at oldcrank.org/maillist.html Loran On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Peter Fraser wrote: > can you share the tech behind it with us, please? some of us might be > curious - i know i am...thanks. From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Wed Jul 8 05:12:46 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Ada Jones - The Volunteer Organist Message-ID: <1846704150.969221247055166779.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I just received an inquiry as to whether one the earliest known surviving early 1890's recordings made by Ada Jones is available somewhere on an audio. I know that Archeophone has a sound file for Sweet Marie, but what about the other known survivor "The Volunteer Organist" ??. They were both recorded by the North American Phonograph Co. sometime in late 1893 or early 1894 ? Bruce From steve_noreen at msn.com Wed Jul 8 17:46:56 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:46:56 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] $799 needle tin In-Reply-To: <4A5290B9.5080306@octoxol.com> References: <4e885f140907031631s61899a7av6df9cb69f519aa2@mail.gmail.com> <04CFF65A-33F1-48F3-9EFA-BB8F1EB7400D@oldcrank.com> <4A5290B9.5080306@octoxol.com> Message-ID: Felix. > Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:03:05 -0500 > From: rich-mail at octoxol.com > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $799 needle tin > > Betty Boop, Micky Mouse, and I forget the cat. 30s cartoon characters. > the cartoon collectors would go for that, looks like they did. > Probably was aimed at the kids before the government decided that > marketing to children was a sin. > > Steven Medved wrote: > > Any info on who sold this? It sold for $799.00 on eBay. > > > > Steve who can't help but to enjoy the new attachment priviledge > > > > -------------- ATTACHMENT -------------- > > **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** > > Name: $799.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 12102 bytes > > URL: > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Thu Jul 9 07:01:57 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Anyone in Chicago? Message-ID: <217746.45400.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone on this board in the Chicago area? Ron Brink, are you in Illinois?? I have been contacted by a concern in Chicago that is looking to sell 14 phonographs in receivership. Anyone in that area please contact me offf list at john9ten at pacbell.net. Thanks John From glastris at comcast.net Thu Jul 9 08:08:16 2009 From: glastris at comcast.net (George Glastris) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:08:16 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Anyone in Chicago? In-Reply-To: <217746.45400.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <217746.45400.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <054E8017321746D69DEBADA5C96FF508@GLASTRISPC> PS My numbers are 773-654-1030 and 312-320-6607. ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" To: Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:01 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Anyone in Chicago? > Anyone on this board in the Chicago area? Ron Brink, are you in Illinois?? > I have been contacted by a concern in Chicago that is looking to sell 14 > phonographs in receivership. > Anyone in that area please contact me offf list at john9ten at pacbell.net. > Thanks > John > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From kend at lemur.org Thu Jul 9 10:16:09 2009 From: kend at lemur.org (Ken Danckaert) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:16:09 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] An ebay seller you do not want to deal with -- recorddiva7 Message-ID: Does anyone know who "recorddiva7" is on ebay? I was stiffed on a purchase in May and it looks like a number of others have been too based on the feedback. Ebay did not allow me to post negative feedback so there have to be more burnt people than just the ones that were able to leave feedback. One person indicated that they had seen the individual at Union so the person must be known to some on phono-l . What grinds me is that ebay is allowing the individual to continue on ebay. Ken Danckaert From cdh041 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 9 08:21:43 2009 From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (cdh041 at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:21:43 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Ada Jones - The Volunteer Organist Message-ID: <380-22009749152143419@M2W011.mail2web.com> I expect that the late Milford Fargo would have had the record in his Ada Jones collection. Unfortunately,the collection wasn't saved intact. You may need a miracle to get the recording you want, and I wish you lots of luck, doing it. I'm not sure that anyone knows where his collection went to. I have a list of records that Fargo had. He gave it to me when I visited him, long, long ago. I gave that list and his discography to Phil Stewart, some time ago. Currently. I'm in Lansing, Mich. for a radio meet, and can't get my meat hooks on my copy of Fargo's list. Original Message: ----------------- From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:12:46 +0000 (UTC) To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org, Phonolist at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] Ada Jones - The Volunteer Organist I just received an inquiry as to whether one the earliest known surviving early 1890's recordings made by Ada Jones is available somewhere on an audio. I know that Archeophone has a sound file for Sweet Marie, but what about the other known survivor "The Volunteer Organist" ??. They were both recorded by the North American Phonograph Co. sometime in late 1893 or early 1894 ? Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft? Windows? and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Thu Jul 9 12:53:42 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:53:42 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] An ebay seller you do not want to deal with -- recorddiva7 Message-ID: Again, and again, and again...EBAY IS ONLY IN IT FOR THE MONEY. They don't give a rat's you know what about the true legit buyers and true legit sellers. Just think how easy it is for someone to make some easy cash by defrauding people on ebay. They do it every day. Sure, ebay 'sugar coats' and 'soothes the stomach' with such antics as "Pay Pal is our sure way of helping anyone being cheated. It's so good, we now require it!" It's up to everyone to WEAN from ebay and stop the all of the nonsense. This is a two fold thing here: - First of all, you completely eliminate being cheated or taken by crooks. - Secondly, if all comply, ebay will go out of business Both of these is what I strive for! There are so many fellow collectors, both phonograph and record, that provide fantastic networks for all in the hobby to buy and sell within. It has been said before, the pristine machine, or the rare record located in Aunt Betsy's attic are long gone days. The networks entwined with shows and club meetings provide the greatest resource for what we in the hobby want and desire. Let's face it, ebay with all of its promises, glitter, and gleam does not provide one with the opportunity to hold, try, or truly get a feel of the item being advertised. Not prompting this, but I bet (and I'm not a betting man either!) if a poll was taken, more that few have gotten burned, cheated, or disappointed with an ebay transaction. I know being both a buyer and seller, I have been. All take care and again, wean, wean, wweeeeeaaaan from ebay. It will do a heart, mind, and soul good! Brantley From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Thu Jul 9 15:44:03 2009 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:44:03 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] An ebay seller you do not want to deal with -- recorddiva7 Message-ID: hi ken i have bought a few things from her over the year and have had no problem did you get the contact info and call her on the phone directly In a message dated 7/9/2009 1:52:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kend at lemur.org writes: Does anyone know who "recorddiva7" is on ebay? I was stiffed on a purchase in May and it looks like a number of others have been too based on the feedback. Ebay did not allow me to post negative feedback so there have to be more burnt people than just the ones that were able to leave feedback. One person indicated that they had seen the individual at Union so the person must be known to some on phono-l . What grinds me is that ebay is allowing the individual to continue on ebay. Ken Danckaert _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) From kend at lemur.org Thu Jul 9 17:52:56 2009 From: kend at lemur.org (Ken Danckaert) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:52:56 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] An ebay seller you do not want to deal with -- recorddiva7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I tried many times to contact the seller and never got a response. Obviously, a number of other buyers had the same results as you can see when you read the feedback. I have no idea who she is. Ken On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:44 PM, wrote: > hi ken > i have bought a few things from her over the year and have had no problem > did you get the contact info and call her on the phone directly > > > > In a message dated 7/9/2009 1:52:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > kend at lemur.org writes: > > Does anyone know who "recorddiva7" is on ebay? I was stiffed on a > purchase > in May and it looks like a number of others have been too based on the > feedback. Ebay did not allow me to post negative feedback so there have > to > be more burnt people than just the ones that were able to leave feedback. > One person indicated that they had seen the individual at Union so the > person must be known to some on phono-l . What grinds me is that ebay is > allowing the individual to continue on ebay. > > Ken Danckaert > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. > (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From cenfin at comcast.net Thu Jul 9 20:55:10 2009 From: cenfin at comcast.net (Albert) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:55:10 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] An ebay seller you do not want to deal with --recorddiva7 References: Message-ID: Why could you not post negative feed back? AL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Danckaert" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] An ebay seller you do not want to deal with --recorddiva7 >I tried many times to contact the seller and never got a response. > Obviously, a number of other buyers had the same results as you can see > when > you read the feedback. I have no idea who she is. > > Ken > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:44 PM, wrote: > >> hi ken >> i have bought a few things from her over the year and have had no >> problem >> did you get the contact info and call her on the phone directly >> >> >> >> In a message dated 7/9/2009 1:52:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> kend at lemur.org writes: >> >> Does anyone know who "recorddiva7" is on ebay? I was stiffed on a >> purchase >> in May and it looks like a number of others have been too based on the >> feedback. Ebay did not allow me to post negative feedback so there have >> to >> be more burnt people than just the ones that were able to leave >> feedback. >> One person indicated that they had seen the individual at Union so the >> person must be known to some on phono-l . What grinds me is that ebay >> is >> allowing the individual to continue on ebay. >> >> Ken Danckaert >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. >> (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 > 4:55 PM > From kend at lemur.org Fri Jul 10 03:35:44 2009 From: kend at lemur.org (Ken Danckaert) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:35:44 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] An ebay seller you do not want to deal with --recorddiva7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ebay will not let me bring up the feedback entry screen for that seller. It does let me provide feedback for other sellers. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Albert wrote: > Why could you not post negative feed back? AL > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Danckaert" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] An ebay seller you do not want to deal with > --recorddiva7 > > > I tried many times to contact the seller and never got a response. >> Obviously, a number of other buyers had the same results as you can see >> when >> you read the feedback. I have no idea who she is. >> >> Ken >> >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:44 PM, wrote: >> >> hi ken >>> i have bought a few things from her over the year and have had no problem >>> did you get the contact info and call her on the phone directly >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 7/9/2009 1:52:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> kend at lemur.org writes: >>> >>> Does anyone know who "recorddiva7" is on ebay? I was stiffed on a >>> purchase >>> in May and it looks like a number of others have been too based on the >>> feedback. Ebay did not allow me to post negative feedback so there have >>> to >>> be more burnt people than just the ones that were able to leave >>> feedback. >>> One person indicated that they had seen the individual at Union so the >>> person must be known to some on phono-l . What grinds me is that ebay >>> is >>> allowing the individual to continue on ebay. >>> >>> Ken Danckaert >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >>> **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. >>> (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 >> 4:55 PM >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Fri Jul 10 07:17:45 2009 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:17:45 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] An ebay seller you do not want to deal with --recorddiva7 Message-ID: hi ken and all go ebay site and go to site map and then find contact information you get it all there In a message dated 7/10/2009 6:40:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kend at lemur.org writes: Ebay will not let me bring up the feedback entry screen for that seller. It does let me provide feedback for other sellers. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Albert wrote: > Why could you not post negative feed back? AL > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Danckaert" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] An ebay seller you do not want to deal with > --recorddiva7 > > > I tried many times to contact the seller and never got a response. >> Obviously, a number of other buyers had the same results as you can see >> when >> you read the feedback. I have no idea who she is. >> >> Ken >> >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:44 PM, wrote: >> >> hi ken >>> i have bought a few things from her over the year and have had no problem >>> did you get the contact info and call her on the phone directly >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 7/9/2009 1:52:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> kend at lemur.org writes: >>> >>> Does anyone know who "recorddiva7" is on ebay? I was stiffed on a >>> purchase >>> in May and it looks like a number of others have been too based on the >>> feedback. Ebay did not allow me to post negative feedback so there have >>> to >>> be more burnt people than just the ones that were able to leave >>> feedback. >>> One person indicated that they had seen the individual at Union so the >>> person must be known to some on phono-l . What grinds me is that ebay >>> is >>> allowing the individual to continue on ebay. >>> >>> Ken Danckaert >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >>> **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. >>> (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 >> 4:55 PM >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) From waltsommers at comcast.net Fri Jul 10 10:13:59 2009 From: waltsommers at comcast.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:13:59 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] An ebay seller you do not want to deal with -- recorddiva7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A5776D7.50804@comcast.net> Kuglarb at wmconnect.com wrote: > All take care and again, wean, wean, wweeeeeaaaan from ebay. It will do a > heart, mind, and soul good! > > Brantley Or become an intelligent buyer Brantley...For a guy who had is entire start with eBay (and only eBay) you sure are hard. From loran at oldcrank.com Sat Jul 11 09:06:53 2009 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:06:53 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Searchable archive is live! Message-ID: <19A3E567-CAE7-4572-BD8E-8DC5BF103EF7@oldcrank.com> Folks, The searchable Phono-L archive is on line. You can now search posts back to August 2003. You may also notice that posts from Jan 2008 are missing - that file was corrupt, but I'll fix it and get it uploaded as soon as possible (you can still browse Jan 2008 by clicking on the Alternate Archive link). Easiest way to get there is to go to the Phono-L web site at phono- l.oldcrank.org and click on the Archives button at the top of the page. Let me know what you think! Loran From 66pony at cox.net Sat Jul 11 10:15:50 2009 From: 66pony at cox.net (Eric Boyles) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:15:50 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Searchable archive is live! In-Reply-To: <19A3E567-CAE7-4572-BD8E-8DC5BF103EF7@oldcrank.com> References: <19A3E567-CAE7-4572-BD8E-8DC5BF103EF7@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: <4A58C8C6.20000@cox.net> Great job Loran! I'll check it out....Eric Loran Hughes wrote: > Folks, > > The searchable Phono-L archive is on line. You can now search posts > back to August 2003. You may also notice that posts from Jan 2008 are > missing - that file was corrupt, but I'll fix it and get it uploaded > as soon as possible (you can still browse Jan 2008 by clicking on the > Alternate Archive link). > > Easiest way to get there is to go to the Phono-L web site at > phono-l.oldcrank.org and click on the Archives button at the top of > the page. > > Let me know what you think! > Loran > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From deedeeblais at yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 17:05:09 2009 From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Large Oak Cylinder Record Cabinet For Sale Message-ID: <919891.98308.qm@web37006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am selling a large oak cylinder record cabinet for a friend. The cabinet holds 216 cylinders and all but seven of the numbered pegs are still in the cabinet. It is 21" wide, 20" deep, and stands 34.5" high and would look very nice with a Triumph or Opera. The tiger oak is very attractive and I'm happy to send photos. The price is $650 and I'm happy to deliver it to the CAPS sale. Please call 541-990-0781 or email jerry.blais at yahoo.com Thanks, Jerry Blais From zonophone2006 at aol.com Mon Jul 13 02:43:30 2009 From: zonophone2006 at aol.com (zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:43:30 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Large Oak Cylinder Record Cabinet For Sale In-Reply-To: <919891.98308.qm@web37006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <919891.98308.qm@web37006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBD1B583D19EA6-EFC-A69D@webmail-mh30.sysops.aol.com> hi jerry can you send some pictures thanks rob -----Original Message----- From: DeeDee Blais To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2009 8:05 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Large Oak Cylinder Record Cabinet For Sale I am selling a large oak cylinder record cabinet for a friend. The cabinet holds 216 cylinders and all but seven of the numbered pegs are still in the cabinet. It is 21" wide, 20" deep, and stands 34.5" high and would look very nice with a Triumph or Opera. The tiger oak is very attractive and I'm happy to send photos. The price is $650 and I'm happy to deliver it to the CAPS sale. Please call 541-990-0781 or email jerry.blais at yahoo.com Thanks, Jerry Blais _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jeffryy at prevea.com Tue Jul 14 06:50:45 2009 From: jeffryy at prevea.com (Jeffry Young, D.O.) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:50:45 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! In-Reply-To: <4A58C8C6.20000@cox.net> References: <19A3E567-CAE7-4572-BD8E-8DC5BF103EF7@oldcrank.com> <4A58C8C6.20000@cox.net> Message-ID: <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E4@mercury.prevea.com> I have trouble believing this is a real auction. I will ask them to send more pictures, and keep ya'all posted. (Look at all the misspelled words!) http://cgi.ebay.com/Zon-O-Phone-Phonograph-Grand-Opera-disc-table-model_ W0QQitemZ260446092365QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca3 cbfc4d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A 1%7C294%3A50 Jeff Wisconsin From taedison at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 08:45:16 2009 From: taedison at gmail.com (robert coon) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:45:16 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! In-Reply-To: <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E4@mercury.prevea.com> References: <19A3E567-CAE7-4572-BD8E-8DC5BF103EF7@oldcrank.com> <4A58C8C6.20000@cox.net> <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E4@mercury.prevea.com> Message-ID: <8d0f6e060907140845j4d42a84bq9786dbf59e05f82@mail.gmail.com> I like the fact that the cabinet's grain patterns have mysteriously changed, and so has the reproducer! You should see if you can inspect the item in person --- they'd like that. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: > > I have trouble believing this is a real auction. I will ask them to send > more pictures, and keep ya'all posted. (Look at all the misspelled > words!) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Zon-O-Phone-Phonograph-Grand-Opera-disc-table-model_ > W0QQitemZ260446092365QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca3 > cbfc4d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A > 1%7C294%3A50 > > Jeff > Wisconsin > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From john1.carr at ge.com Tue Jul 14 09:04:26 2009 From: john1.carr at ge.com (Carr, John P (GE Infra, Energy)) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:04:26 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! In-Reply-To: <8d0f6e060907140845j4d42a84bq9786dbf59e05f82@mail.gmail.com> References: <19A3E567-CAE7-4572-BD8E-8DC5BF103EF7@oldcrank.com><4A58C8C6.20000@cox.net><6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E4@mercury.prevea.com> <8d0f6e060907140845j4d42a84bq9786dbf59e05f82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B08C790CE@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com> Pictures are same as this web page. http://www.tias.com/11273/PictPage/3923318488.html -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of robert coon Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:45 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! I like the fact that the cabinet's grain patterns have mysteriously changed, and so has the reproducer! You should see if you can inspect the item in person --- they'd like that. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: > > I have trouble believing this is a real auction. I will ask them to > send more pictures, and keep ya'all posted. (Look at all the > misspelled > words!) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Zon-O-Phone-Phonograph-Grand-Opera-disc-table-mode > l_ > W0QQitemZ260446092365QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3c > a3 > cbfc4d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293% > 3A > 1%7C294%3A50 > > Jeff > Wisconsin > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Phonophan at aol.com Tue Jul 14 09:08:31 2009 From: Phonophan at aol.com (Phonophan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:08:31 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! Message-ID: I think the main problem is the full sized picture of the machine is NOT the same machine as the close-ups. They fail to make this clear. The big picture shows a very clean machine, the close-ups are of a machine less nice. Cheers, Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323036x1201367247/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 09:26:38 2009 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:26:38 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! In-Reply-To: <8d0f6e060907140845j4d42a84bq9786dbf59e05f82@mail.gmail.com> References: <19A3E567-CAE7-4572-BD8E-8DC5BF103EF7@oldcrank.com> <4A58C8C6.20000@cox.net> <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E4@mercury.prevea.com> <8d0f6e060907140845j4d42a84bq9786dbf59e05f82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a5cb1dc.1ed6720a.6aee.ffffac3b@mx.google.com> I think you're right Jeffry. I don't think the close up photos are of the same machine pictured in its entirety. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of robert coon Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:45 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! I like the fact that the cabinet's grain patterns have mysteriously changed, and so has the reproducer! You should see if you can inspect the item in person --- they'd like that. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: > > I have trouble believing this is a real auction. I will ask them to send > more pictures, and keep ya'all posted. (Look at all the misspelled > words!) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Zon-O-Phone-Phonograph-Grand-Opera-disc-table-model_ > W0QQitemZ260446092365QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca3 > cbfc4d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A > 1%7C294%3A50 > > Jeff > Wisconsin > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.386 / Virus Database: 270.13.13/2236 - Release Date: 07/14/09 05:56:00 From john1.carr at ge.com Tue Jul 14 09:43:49 2009 From: john1.carr at ge.com (Carr, John P (GE Infra, Energy)) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:43:49 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! In-Reply-To: <4a5cb1dc.1ed6720a.6aee.ffffac3b@mx.google.com> References: <19A3E567-CAE7-4572-BD8E-8DC5BF103EF7@oldcrank.com> <4A58C8C6.20000@cox.net> <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E4@mercury.prevea.com><8d0f6e060907140845j4d42a84bq9786dbf59e05f82@mail.gmail.com> <4a5cb1dc.1ed6720a.6aee.ffffac3b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B08C7915E@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com> Some of the pictures are from this web site: http://www.tias.com/11273/PictPage/3923318488.html -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jay Horenstein Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:27 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! I think you're right Jeffry. I don't think the close up photos are of the same machine pictured in its entirety. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of robert coon Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:45 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! I like the fact that the cabinet's grain patterns have mysteriously changed, and so has the reproducer! You should see if you can inspect the item in person --- they'd like that. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: > > I have trouble believing this is a real auction. I will ask them to > send more pictures, and keep ya'all posted. (Look at all the > misspelled > words!) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Zon-O-Phone-Phonograph-Grand-Opera-disc-table-mode > l_ > W0QQitemZ260446092365QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3c > a3 > cbfc4d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293% > 3A > 1%7C294%3A50 > > Jeff > Wisconsin > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.386 / Virus Database: 270.13.13/2236 - Release Date: 07/14/09 05:56:00 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jeffryy at prevea.com Tue Jul 14 09:52:56 2009 From: jeffryy at prevea.com (Jeffry Young, D.O.) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:52:56 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! In-Reply-To: <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B08C790CE@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com> References: <19A3E567-CAE7-4572-BD8E-8DC5BF103EF7@oldcrank.com><4A58C8C6.20000@cox.net><6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E4@mercury.prevea.com><8d0f6e060907140845j4d42a84bq9786dbf59e05f82@mail.gmail.com> <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B08C790CE@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com> Message-ID: <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E6@mercury.prevea.com> John, You are correct! I have seen these pictures before! If you had not found this, you can easily tell that the horn is not polished in the added pictures. Also, the reproducer is the later Exhibition style Zonophone red faced reproducer, not the Concert-V that is in the original picture. The original picture looks like one of "firebottles" zonophone auction pictures? So..., who is the expert at reporting fraud to ebay? How does one do this. There are already 3 bidders? Thanks, Jeff Wisconsin -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Carr, John P (GE Infra, Energy) Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:04 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! Pictures are same as this web page. http://www.tias.com/11273/PictPage/3923318488.html -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of robert coon Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:45 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! I like the fact that the cabinet's grain patterns have mysteriously changed, and so has the reproducer! You should see if you can inspect the item in person --- they'd like that. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: > > I have trouble believing this is a real auction. I will ask them to > send more pictures, and keep ya'all posted. (Look at all the > misspelled > words!) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Zon-O-Phone-Phonograph-Grand-Opera-disc-table-mode > l_ > W0QQitemZ260446092365QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3c > a3 > cbfc4d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293% > 3A > 1%7C294%3A50 > > Jeff > Wisconsin > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jimcip at earthlink.net Tue Jul 14 10:11:34 2009 From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:11:34 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart Message-ID: <380-220097214171134234@earthlink.net> After many years, my 1937 Capehart 404G (serial number 10627E) is now functioning & sounds great & is fun to watch as it changes records. I have noticed quite a bit of "needle noise" in the magnetic pickup when the volume is turned down even though the pickup has been restored. Is this endemic to a properly performing Capehart as I suspect because all the doors to the record playing compartment are sealed with rubber gaskets, presumable to contain mechanical noise or does the pickup need further work? Also, where can one obtain needles for playing large numbers of 78s without being changed in the Capehart or Orthophonic Victrola 1050? I have Mr. Baumbach's excellent book on the Capeharts without which the repairman who usually works on 1950s & 1960s hifi gear would have been completely at sea in working on the Capehart changer but would like to obtain copies of the owner's manual & schematics of the tuner & amplifiers. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip at earthlink.net From edisone1 at verizon.net Tue Jul 14 09:16:39 2009 From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:16:39 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! References: <19A3E567-CAE7-4572-BD8E-8DC5BF103EF7@oldcrank.com> <4A58C8C6.20000@cox.net> <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E4@mercury.prevea.com> Message-ID: <46F17D17D2AC48A2AC427457F83C61D6@T42> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260446092365 The first shot shows a very shiny, polished horn - the close-ups show a tarnished, dull horn. Suspicious. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffry Young, D.O." To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! > > I have trouble believing this is a real auction. I will ask them to send > more pictures, and keep ya'all posted. (Look at all the misspelled > words!) From Muldwourp at aol.com Tue Jul 14 10:23:42 2009 From: Muldwourp at aol.com (Muldwourp at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:23:42 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! Message-ID: I've just reported it. A few of you might want to do the same. It generally helps if more than one report is submitted. Just go to the auction page and hit the link that says, "report." --Grant In a message dated 7/14/2009 11:56:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jeffryy at prevea.com writes: John, You are correct! I have seen these pictures before! If you had not found this, you can easily tell that the horn is not polished in the added pictures. Also, the reproducer is the later Exhibition style Zonophone red faced reproducer, not the Concert-V that is in the original picture. The original picture looks like one of "firebottles" zonophone auction pictures? So..., who is the expert at reporting fraud to ebay? How does one do this. There are already 3 bidders? Thanks, Jeff Wisconsin -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Carr, John P (GE Infra, Energy) Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:04 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! Pictures are same as this web page. http://www.tias.com/11273/PictPage/3923318488.html -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of robert coon Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:45 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! I like the fact that the cabinet's grain patterns have mysteriously changed, and so has the reproducer! You should see if you can inspect the item in person --- they'd like that. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: > > I have trouble believing this is a real auction. I will ask them to > send more pictures, and keep ya'all posted. (Look at all the > misspelled > words!) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Zon-O-Phone-Phonograph-Grand-Opera-disc-table-mode > l_ > W0QQitemZ260446092365QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3c > a3 > cbfc4d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293% > 3A > 1%7C294%3A50 > > Jeff > Wisconsin > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323036x1201367247/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) From andy at popyrus.com Tue Jul 14 10:53:03 2009 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:53:03 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Zonophone Question - This one makes me a little nervous! In-Reply-To: <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E6@mercury.prevea.com> References: <19A3E567-CAE7-4572-BD8E-8DC5BF103EF7@oldcrank.com><4A58C8C6.20000@cox.net><6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E4@mercury.prevea.com><8d0f6e060907140845j4d42a84bq9786dbf59e05f82@mail.gmail.com> <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B08C790CE@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com> <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E6@mercury.prevea.com> Message-ID: <441D5BBC-D389-453B-A9BB-4EC1BF386270@popyrus.com> Does anyone know when the Concert V gave way to the later style (similar to the Victor Exhibition) reproducer with the red lettering? I would love to be able to narrow down the likely date of production of my Grand Opera, which has the later type of reproducer (although the cabinet is purely traditional Zonophone style with the embossed metal top plate, S-shaped crank, Zonophone type motor, etc). I have provenance on this machine back to the early '30s, and it's known that this late style reproducer was on the machine then, so it's likely that it's been with it since new or nearly new. Thanks in advance for any insight whatsoever, even if it's a rough estimate of that time frame. Andy Baron Santa Fe On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: > John, > > You are correct! I have seen these pictures before! If you had not > found > this, you can easily tell that the horn is not polished in the added > pictures. Also, the reproducer is the later Exhibition style Zonophone > red faced reproducer, not the Concert-V that is in the original > picture. > > > The original picture looks like one of "firebottles" zonophone auction > pictures? > > So..., who is the expert at reporting fraud to ebay? How does one do > this. There are already 3 bidders? > > Thanks, > Jeff > Wisconsin From Muldwourp at aol.com Tue Jul 14 10:52:28 2009 From: Muldwourp at aol.com (Muldwourp at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:52:28 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! Message-ID: It appears as though the photos came from at least three different sources. --Grant In a message dated 7/14/2009 12:36:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Phonophan at aol.com writes: I think the main problem is the full sized picture of the machine is NOT the same machine as the close-ups. They fail to make this clear. The big picture shows a very clean machine, the close-ups are of a machine less nice. Cheers, Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323036x1201367247/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323036x1201367247/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 11:38:53 2009 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:38:53 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! In-Reply-To: <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E6@mercury.prevea.com> References: <19A3E567-CAE7-4572-BD8E-8DC5BF103EF7@oldcrank.com><4A58C8C6.20000@cox.net><6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E4@mercury.prevea.com><8d0f6e060907140845j4d42a84bq9786dbf59e05f82@mail.gmail.com> <83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B08C790CE@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com> <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E6@mercury.prevea.com> Message-ID: <4a5cd0e1.2a528c0a.43b2.13b8@mx.google.com> Well, looks like ebay pulled this lot. Wonder how many of their (this seller) other listings are bogus? -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jeffry Young, D.O. Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:53 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! John, You are correct! I have seen these pictures before! If you had not found this, you can easily tell that the horn is not polished in the added pictures. Also, the reproducer is the later Exhibition style Zonophone red faced reproducer, not the Concert-V that is in the original picture. The original picture looks like one of "firebottles" zonophone auction pictures? So..., who is the expert at reporting fraud to ebay? How does one do this. There are already 3 bidders? Thanks, Jeff Wisconsin -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Carr, John P (GE Infra, Energy) Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:04 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! Pictures are same as this web page. http://www.tias.com/11273/PictPage/3923318488.html -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of robert coon Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:45 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! I like the fact that the cabinet's grain patterns have mysteriously changed, and so has the reproducer! You should see if you can inspect the item in person --- they'd like that. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: > > I have trouble believing this is a real auction. I will ask them to > send more pictures, and keep ya'all posted. (Look at all the > misspelled > words!) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Zon-O-Phone-Phonograph-Grand-Opera-disc-table-mode > l_ > W0QQitemZ260446092365QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3c > a3 > cbfc4d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293% > 3A > 1%7C294%3A50 > > Jeff > Wisconsin > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.386 / Virus Database: 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date: 07/14/09 05:56:00 From phonolist at mac.com Tue Jul 14 10:58:45 2009 From: phonolist at mac.com (RBaumbach) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:58:45 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart In-Reply-To: <380-220097214171134234@earthlink.net> References: <380-220097214171134234@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tungstone needles are probably the best choice for either the 10-50 or the Capehart, and were recommended by both manufacturers. In the mid- thirties Capehart recommended the RCA Chromium needles, but some collectors feel that these are hard on records. Both the Tungstone and Chromium needles are still rather plentiful. There is a more comprehensive discussion of needles on the bonus page for the Capehart book (see page 5). Contact me privately regarding the owner's manual and schematics. Bob On TuesdayJuly 14, 2009, at 10:11 AM, jimcip at earthlink.net wrote: > After many years, my 1937 Capehart 404G (serial number 10627E) is > now functioning & sounds great & is fun to watch as it changes > records. I have noticed quite a bit of "needle noise" in the > magnetic pickup when the volume is turned down even though the pickup > has been restored. Is this endemic to a properly performing > Capehart as I suspect because all the doors to the record playing > compartment are sealed with rubber gaskets, presumable to contain > mechanical noise or does the pickup need further work? Also, > where can one obtain needles for playing large numbers of 78s > without being changed in the Capehart or Orthophonic Victrola 1050? > I have Mr. Baumbach's excellent book on the Capeharts without which > the repairman who usually works on 1950s & 1960s hifi gear > would have been completely at sea in working on the Capehart changer > but would like to obtain copies of the owner's manual & > schematics of the tuner & amplifiers. > Jim > Cartwright > Immortal > Performances > > > jimcip at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From gbogantz1 at charter.net Tue Jul 14 12:21:49 2009 From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:21:49 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart References: <380-220097214171134234@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3285DF2206134DC18C6B70EF4060E1A7@gbhpa1514n> Jim, you might get more response on your Capehart questions by posting to the Electrola list. Electrola is dedicated to owners of just the kind of early electric phonographs that you own: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electrola/ But I can answer some of your questions. Yes, the early magnetic pickups do exhibit considerable "needle talk" compared with modern pickups. But if your pickup has not been rebuilt, it CERTAINLY needs to be. If it is not rebuilt, the rubber suspension parts have hardened and the lack of compliance with ruin your records in just one play! Yes, you need to find something other than common steel needles for use with record changers. The Victor Tungstone needles (and similar tungsten wire needles from other manufacturers) were the best choice for changers of this vintage. The electric record players of the mid 1930s up to WWII were notorious for inducing massive record wear, mostly due to the poor characteristics of the electric pickups and the improper needles used with them. In spite of the preponderance of the sapphire so-called "permanent" needles often found with these machines, these needles are the WRONG choice. These early pickups are much too low compliance and track at too high a force to use a hard jewel-tipped needle correctly. I recommend using tunsten wire needles for ALL of these record players if you want to preserve your records. Unfortunately, nobody makes these needles any longer, so you are faced with the choice of using steel needles and changing them with ever one or two plays (which negates the advantages of owning a record changer), buying tungsten wire needles when you can find them, or making your own needles. Since I am a record changer collector and have a number of these old electric players, I make my own tungsten needles. I'm not geared up to make them in quantity, so it's a tedious process. But they are worth the effort if you really want to use these players. The circuit diagrams for nearly every early consumer electronic product and quite a lot of mechanical repair information concerning the Capehart (and other early) record changers can be found in the Rider's Perpetual Troubleshooting (PPT) Manuals. These manuals were the mainstay of radio repair shops during this period up to WWII when that information business was taken over by Howard W. Sams. (Sams is the place to look for info on most postwar electronics, but they didn't publish anything on prewar models.) You can find the individual PPT manuals offered on eBay (there were 23 HUGE volumes in total), but the simplest and cheapest source of this information is to buy the scanned and digitized PPT manual collections complete on CD or DVD. These are also offered by several sellers on eBay and can usually be had for $10 or less for the ENTIRE collection. Another good source of early record changer info is the Rider's book titled "Automatic Record Changers and Recorders". This was a single volume published in 1941. These also appear often on eBay. Greg Bogantz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart > After many years, my 1937 Capehart 404G (serial number 10627E) is now > functioning & sounds great & is fun to watch as it changes > records. I have noticed quite a bit of "needle noise" in the magnetic > pickup when the volume is turned down even though the pickup > has been restored. Is this endemic to a properly performing Capehart as > I suspect because all the doors to the record playing > compartment are sealed with rubber gaskets, presumable to contain > mechanical noise or does the pickup need further work? Also, > where can one obtain needles for playing large numbers of 78s without > being changed in the Capehart or Orthophonic Victrola 1050? > I have Mr. Baumbach's excellent book on the Capeharts without which the > repairman who usually works on 1950s & 1960s hifi gear > would have been completely at sea in working on the Capehart changer but > would like to obtain copies of the owner's manual & > schematics of the tuner & amplifiers. > > Jim Cartwright > > Immortal Performances > > > jimcip at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From waltsommers at comcast.net Tue Jul 14 13:06:35 2009 From: waltsommers at comcast.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:06:35 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart In-Reply-To: References: <380-220097214171134234@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4A5CE54B.60908@comcast.net> Bob, Do you know the approximate tracking mass of the Capehart pick up? I am guess it is probably 25 to 40 grams? The RCA Chromium needles would be a concern on the 10-50 or other Victor automatics that use the #5 acoustic Orthophonic reproducer (tracking at a whopping 130 grams or so) but assuming that the Capehart's pickup is something like 25 to 40 grams I can't imagine the RCA Chromium needles would be an issue. I recall reading an RCA patent (which I can't specifically call to mind right now) concerning the use of chromium on the needles which briefly discussed the issue of the relatively low mass of electrical pickups versus the higher mass of the acoustic reproducers. The Victor Soft or Full Tungs~Tone stylus would be ideal for the Capehart as well as most of the early electrical pickups. I can't say I would recommend the Extra Loud Tungs~Tone stylus simply because they are quite aggressive. Others swear by them. Whatever you choose, I would stay as far away from jeweled styli (sapphires, diamonds, etc.) as possible. Sapphires and diamonds would be great if only the designs of the early pickups were better. I have a feeling I am in Dr. Bogantz's area of expertise here...Perhaps he will jump in. Walt RBaumbach wrote: > Tungstone needles are probably the best choice for either the 10-50 or > the Capehart, and were recommended by both manufacturers. In the > mid-thirties Capehart recommended the RCA Chromium needles, but some > collectors feel that these are hard on records. Both the Tungstone > and Chromium needles are still rather plentiful. There is a more > comprehensive discussion of needles on the bonus page for the Capehart > book (see page 5). > > Contact me privately regarding the owner's manual and schematics. > > Bob > > > On TuesdayJuly 14, 2009, at 10:11 AM, jimcip at earthlink.net wrote: > >> After many years, my 1937 Capehart 404G (serial number 10627E) is now >> functioning & sounds great & is fun to watch as it changes >> records. I have noticed quite a bit of "needle noise" in the >> magnetic pickup when the volume is turned down even though the pickup >> has been restored. Is this endemic to a properly performing >> Capehart as I suspect because all the doors to the record playing >> compartment are sealed with rubber gaskets, presumable to contain >> mechanical noise or does the pickup need further work? Also, >> where can one obtain needles for playing large numbers of 78s without >> being changed in the Capehart or Orthophonic Victrola 1050? >> I have Mr. Baumbach's excellent book on the Capeharts without which >> the repairman who usually works on 1950s & 1960s hifi gear >> would have been completely at sea in working on the Capehart changer >> but would like to obtain copies of the owner's manual & >> schematics of the tuner & amplifiers. >> >> Jim Cartwright >> >> Immortal Performances >> >> >> jimcip at earthlink.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date: 07/14/09 05:56:00 > > From cdh041 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 14 13:55:33 2009 From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:55:33 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart Message-ID: <410-2200972142055330@earthlink.net> Thanks tons, Bob. I have some Chromium needles, and they would never give the impression that they're easy on the records! They work nicely, but..... I guess there's no other way than Tungs-Tone for those 5 pound pickup heads on the Electrolas. They're wonderful phonographs, but not gentle on records at all. I keep the Electrolas stocked with duplicaions from the main collection. They wre usually just a bit less pristine than the best ones in my cabinets. My next piece into the house will be a Victor 12-15 that I bought a while back. Those things amaze about everybody when they're playing. > [Original Message] > From: RBaumbach > To: Antique Phonograph List > Date: 7/14/2009 3:01:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Capehart > > Tungstone needles are probably the best choice for either the 10-50 or > the Capehart, and were recommended by both manufacturers. In the mid- > thirties Capehart recommended the RCA Chromium needles, but some > collectors feel that these are hard on records. Both the Tungstone > and Chromium needles are still rather plentiful. There is a more > comprehensive discussion of needles on the bonus page for the Capehart > book (see page 5). > > Contact me privately regarding the owner's manual and schematics. > > Bob > > > On TuesdayJuly 14, 2009, at 10:11 AM, jimcip at earthlink.net wrote: > > > After many years, my 1937 Capehart 404G (serial number 10627E) is > > now functioning & sounds great & is fun to watch as it changes > > records. I have noticed quite a bit of "needle noise" in the > > magnetic pickup when the volume is turned down even though the pickup > > has been restored. Is this endemic to a properly performing > > Capehart as I suspect because all the doors to the record playing > > compartment are sealed with rubber gaskets, presumable to contain > > mechanical noise or does the pickup need further work? Also, > > where can one obtain needles for playing large numbers of 78s > > without being changed in the Capehart or Orthophonic Victrola 1050? > > I have Mr. Baumbach's excellent book on the Capeharts without which > > the repairman who usually works on 1950s & 1960s hifi gear > > would have been completely at sea in working on the Capehart changer > > but would like to obtain copies of the owner's manual & > > schematics of the tuner & amplifiers. > > Jim > > Cartwright > > Immortal > > Performances > > > > > > jimcip at earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From gbogantz1 at charter.net Tue Jul 14 14:11:31 2009 From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:11:31 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart References: <380-220097214171134234@earthlink.net> <4A5CE54B.60908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Walt, the tracking force used in the early Capehart 16-E changer which used the "fan head" black pickup was very nearly the same as that of the other early horseshoe-magnet magnetic pickups. They track at 120 - 150 grams or so, making the tungsten wire needles the only good choice for multiple-play use. That would include the changers thru about the E or F-line Capeharts (ca. 1938 and earlier). The G-line series was about when the later, smaller brown pickup heads came into use on the Capeharts. The early versions of these were also magnetic and tracked at around 100 grams or so. The later versions of the 16-E changer with the similar-looking brown pickup head were fitted with the early Astatic crystal cartridges which tracked at 40 - 50 grams. Still, this is too high a force to use with a hard jewel-point needle, even though this was common practice at the time. As you say and as I say in my other post on this subject, jewel-point needles were really never the correct choice for these cartridges that tracked at anything much over 12 grams or so. You record collectors might have noticed that the records you get from the mid to late 1930s tend to be more worn, distorted, and noisy than the records from the 1920s and earlier. This is because the record players made from the mid '30s to the early postwar period often used jewelled needles in these crystal cartridges that tracked at 30 grams or more. The advertising of the day called this "featherweight" tracking at only one ounce! That's a pretty heavy feather. But they ground up the records mercilessly. Unfortunately, this situation continued until the advent of the GE variable reluctance (VR) magnetic cartridge that tracked at around 10 - 12 grams and which came into common use with the Capehart 41-E changer and other top-end record players after WWII. Even after the war, most cheap record players continued to use crystal cartridges tracking at 30 grams or so until microgroove vinyl records came into use after 1948. This brought the need and application of much better cartridges that could track at 8 grams or less. Greg Bogantz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt Sommers" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Capehart > Bob, > > Do you know the approximate tracking mass of the Capehart pick up? I am > guess it is probably 25 to 40 grams? The RCA Chromium needles would be a > concern on the 10-50 or other Victor automatics that use the #5 acoustic > Orthophonic reproducer (tracking at a whopping 130 grams or so) but > assuming that the Capehart's pickup is something like 25 to 40 grams I > can't imagine the RCA Chromium needles would be an issue. I recall reading > an RCA patent (which I can't specifically call to mind right now) > concerning the use of chromium on the needles which briefly discussed the > issue of the relatively low mass of electrical pickups versus the higher > mass of the acoustic reproducers. > > The Victor Soft or Full Tungs~Tone stylus would be ideal for the Capehart > as well as most of the early electrical pickups. I can't say I would > recommend the Extra Loud Tungs~Tone stylus simply because they are quite > aggressive. Others swear by them. Whatever you choose, I would stay as far > away from jeweled styli (sapphires, diamonds, etc.) as possible. Sapphires > and diamonds would be great if only the designs of the early pickups were > better. > > I have a feeling I am in Dr. Bogantz's area of expertise here...Perhaps he > will jump in. > > Walt > > RBaumbach wrote: >> Tungstone needles are probably the best choice for either the 10-50 or >> the Capehart, and were recommended by both manufacturers. In the >> mid-thirties Capehart recommended the RCA Chromium needles, but some >> collectors feel that these are hard on records. Both the Tungstone and >> Chromium needles are still rather plentiful. There is a more >> comprehensive discussion of needles on the bonus page for the Capehart >> book (see page 5). >> >> Contact me privately regarding the owner's manual and schematics. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On TuesdayJuly 14, 2009, at 10:11 AM, jimcip at earthlink.net wrote: >> >>> After many years, my 1937 Capehart 404G (serial number 10627E) is now >>> functioning & sounds great & is fun to watch as it changes >>> records. I have noticed quite a bit of "needle noise" in the magnetic >>> pickup when the volume is turned down even though the pickup >>> has been restored. Is this endemic to a properly performing Capehart >>> as I suspect because all the doors to the record playing >>> compartment are sealed with rubber gaskets, presumable to contain >>> mechanical noise or does the pickup need further work? Also, >>> where can one obtain needles for playing large numbers of 78s without >>> being changed in the Capehart or Orthophonic Victrola 1050? >>> I have Mr. Baumbach's excellent book on the Capeharts without which the >>> repairman who usually works on 1950s & 1960s hifi gear >>> would have been completely at sea in working on the Capehart changer but >>> would like to obtain copies of the owner's manual & >>> schematics of the tuner & amplifiers. >>> >>> Jim Cartwright >>> >>> Immortal Performances >>> >>> >>> jimcip at earthlink.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: >> 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date: 07/14/09 05:56:00 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From andy at popyrus.com Tue Jul 14 14:11:51 2009 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:11:51 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart In-Reply-To: <4A5CE54B.60908@comcast.net> References: <380-220097214171134234@earthlink.net> <4A5CE54B.60908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <38FEFC75-59A1-4EEC-A093-9169D7336BC3@popyrus.com> Thanks, Bob and Walt for commenting on this, as it has some bearing on a project of mine at this time: Does anyone know whether these same considerations and needle choices apply to a 1936 Wurlitzer 412 Simplex juke box? It has a traditional early style electric pickup, but is quite heavily weighted, especially up around the pickup elements. I haven't checked the tracking force, but I'm sure it's quite a bit heavier than the Capehart. I have some Tungs-tone needles and may try them, but I believe the suppliers sell sapphire tipped styli with the offset shank. I'm afraid that such a hard material would damage the records (more than usual, that is, in something that tracks so heavy). Any insight into this would be most welcome. Best, Andy Baron Santa Fe On Jul 14, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Walt Sommers wrote: > Bob, > > Do you know the approximate tracking mass of the Capehart pick up? I > am guess it is probably 25 to 40 grams? The RCA Chromium needles > would be a concern on the 10-50 or other Victor automatics that use > the #5 acoustic Orthophonic reproducer (tracking at a whopping 130 > grams or so) but assuming that the Capehart's pickup is something > like 25 to 40 grams I can't imagine the RCA Chromium needles would > be an issue. I recall reading an RCA patent (which I can't > specifically call to mind right now) concerning the use of chromium > on the needles which briefly discussed the issue of the relatively > low mass of electrical pickups versus the higher mass of the > acoustic reproducers. > > The Victor Soft or Full Tungs~Tone stylus would be ideal for the > Capehart as well as most of the early electrical pickups. I can't > say I would recommend the Extra Loud Tungs~Tone stylus simply > because they are quite aggressive. Others swear by them. Whatever > you choose, I would stay as far away from jeweled styli (sapphires, > diamonds, etc.) as possible. Sapphires and diamonds would be great > if only the designs of the early pickups were better. > > I have a feeling I am in Dr. Bogantz's area of expertise > here...Perhaps he will jump in. > > Walt > > RBaumbach wrote: >> Tungstone needles are probably the best choice for either the 10-50 >> or the Capehart, and were recommended by both manufacturers. In >> the mid-thirties Capehart recommended the RCA Chromium needles, but >> some collectors feel that these are hard on records. Both the >> Tungstone and Chromium needles are still rather plentiful. There >> is a more comprehensive discussion of needles on the bonus page for >> the Capehart book (see page 5). >> >> Contact me privately regarding the owner's manual and schematics. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On TuesdayJuly 14, 2009, at 10:11 AM, jimcip at earthlink.net wrote: >> >>> After many years, my 1937 Capehart 404G (serial number 10627E) is >>> now functioning & sounds great & is fun to watch as it changes >>> records. I have noticed quite a bit of "needle noise" in the >>> magnetic pickup when the volume is turned down even though the >>> pickup >>> has been restored. Is this endemic to a properly performing >>> Capehart as I suspect because all the doors to the record playing >>> compartment are sealed with rubber gaskets, presumable to contain >>> mechanical noise or does the pickup need further work? Also, >>> where can one obtain needles for playing large numbers of 78s >>> without being changed in the Capehart or Orthophonic Victrola 1050? >>> I have Mr. Baumbach's excellent book on the Capeharts without >>> which the repairman who usually works on 1950s & 1960s hifi gear >>> would have been completely at sea in working on the Capehart >>> changer but would like to obtain copies of the owner's manual & >>> schematics of the tuner & amplifiers. >>> Jim >>> Cartwright >>> Immortal >>> Performances >>> >>> >>> jimcip at earthlink.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: >> 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date: 07/14/09 05:56:00 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From cdh041 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 14 14:12:29 2009 From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:12:29 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart Message-ID: <410-220097214211229453@earthlink.net> Greg: I was waiting for you to address tracking angle. I can't put my finger on it just now, but I recall seeing some mighty goofy tracking angles on some record players. There can be little doubt that the designers of a lot of phonographs had little or no idea what tracking angle is, or if so, what to do about it. A couple of years ago, someone got hold of some Victor field service bulletins, and they told of a product campaign to correct tracking angles, and they gave serial numbers of the Electrolas that needed correction. My Victor 9-18 was in one of those groups. I looked at it, and it appears to be OK now, so possibly, it was retrofitted. One can just imagine what those 5 pound magnetic pickup heads would do to a record! Oh, now one comes up. The RCA Ejector changer. As far as I know, they were all the same, and the tracking error on my RCA 381 is pretty crumby. Unless they changed the pickup arm length, they were bad from beginning to end. > [Original Message] > From: Greg Bogantz > To: Antique Phonograph List > Date: 7/14/2009 3:25:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Capehart > > Jim, you might get more response on your Capehart questions by posting > to the Electrola list. Electrola is dedicated to owners of just the kind of > early electric phonographs that you own: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electrola/ > > But I can answer some of your questions. Yes, the early magnetic > pickups do exhibit considerable "needle talk" compared with modern pickups. > But if your pickup has not been rebuilt, it CERTAINLY needs to be. If it is > not rebuilt, the rubber suspension parts have hardened and the lack of > compliance with ruin your records in just one play! > > Yes, you need to find something other than common steel needles for use > with record changers. The Victor Tungstone needles (and similar tungsten > wire needles from other manufacturers) were the best choice for changers of > this vintage. The electric record players of the mid 1930s up to WWII were > notorious for inducing massive record wear, mostly due to the poor > characteristics of the electric pickups and the improper needles used with > them. In spite of the preponderance of the sapphire so-called "permanent" > needles often found with these machines, these needles are the WRONG choice. > These early pickups are much too low compliance and track at too high a > force to use a hard jewel-tipped needle correctly. I recommend using > tunsten wire needles for ALL of these record players if you want to preserve > your records. Unfortunately, nobody makes these needles any longer, so you > are faced with the choice of using steel needles and changing them with ever > one or two plays (which negates the advantages of owning a record changer), > buying tungsten wire needles when you can find them, or making your own > needles. Since I am a record changer collector and have a number of these > old electric players, I make my own tungsten needles. I'm not geared up to > make them in quantity, so it's a tedious process. But they are worth the > effort if you really want to use these players. > > The circuit diagrams for nearly every early consumer electronic product > and quite a lot of mechanical repair information concerning the Capehart > (and other early) record changers can be found in the Rider's Perpetual > Troubleshooting (PPT) Manuals. These manuals were the mainstay of radio > repair shops during this period up to WWII when that information business > was taken over by Howard W. Sams. (Sams is the place to look for info on > most postwar electronics, but they didn't publish anything on prewar > models.) You can find the individual PPT manuals offered on eBay (there > were 23 HUGE volumes in total), but the simplest and cheapest source of this > information is to buy the scanned and digitized PPT manual collections > complete on CD or DVD. These are also offered by several sellers on eBay > and can usually be had for $10 or less for the ENTIRE collection. Another > good source of early record changer info is the Rider's book titled > "Automatic Record Changers and Recorders". This was a single volume > published in 1941. These also appear often on eBay. > > Greg Bogantz > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:11 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart > > > > After many years, my 1937 Capehart 404G (serial number 10627E) is now > > functioning & sounds great & is fun to watch as it changes > > records. I have noticed quite a bit of "needle noise" in the magnetic > > pickup when the volume is turned down even though the pickup > > has been restored. Is this endemic to a properly performing Capehart as > > I suspect because all the doors to the record playing > > compartment are sealed with rubber gaskets, presumable to contain > > mechanical noise or does the pickup need further work? Also, > > where can one obtain needles for playing large numbers of 78s without > > being changed in the Capehart or Orthophonic Victrola 1050? > > I have Mr. Baumbach's excellent book on the Capeharts without which the > > repairman who usually works on 1950s & 1960s hifi gear > > would have been completely at sea in working on the Capehart changer but > > would like to obtain copies of the owner's manual & > > schematics of the tuner & amplifiers. > > > > Jim Cartwright > > > > Immortal Performances > > > > > > jimcip at earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From phonolist at mac.com Tue Jul 14 14:32:02 2009 From: phonolist at mac.com (RBaumbach) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:32:02 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart In-Reply-To: <4A5CE54B.60908@comcast.net> References: <380-220097214171134234@earthlink.net> <4A5CE54B.60908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Walt; I don't know the tracking mass of the various Capehart pickups, but I expect that Greg Bogantz or Doug Houston do. Capehart changed from a magnetic to a crystal pickup for the 1937 MY, and these later heads are lighter. Bob On TuesdayJuly 14, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Walt Sommers wrote: > Bob, > > Do you know the approximate tracking mass of the Capehart pick up? I > am guess it is probably 25 to 40 grams? The RCA Chromium needles > would be a concern on the 10-50 or other Victor automatics that use > the #5 acoustic Orthophonic reproducer (tracking at a whopping 130 > grams or so) but assuming that the Capehart's pickup is something > like 25 to 40 grams I can't imagine the RCA Chromium needles would > be an issue. I recall reading an RCA patent (which I can't > specifically call to mind right now) concerning the use of chromium > on the needles which briefly discussed the issue of the relatively > low mass of electrical pickups versus the higher mass of the > acoustic reproducers. > > The Victor Soft or Full Tungs~Tone stylus would be ideal for the > Capehart as well as most of the early electrical pickups. I can't > say I would recommend the Extra Loud Tungs~Tone stylus simply > because they are quite aggressive. Others swear by them. Whatever > you choose, I would stay as far away from jeweled styli (sapphires, > diamonds, etc.) as possible. Sapphires and diamonds would be great > if only the designs of the early pickups were better. > > I have a feeling I am in Dr. Bogantz's area of expertise > here...Perhaps he will jump in. > > Walt > > RBaumbach wrote: >> Tungstone needles are probably the best choice for either the 10-50 >> or the Capehart, and were recommended by both manufacturers. In >> the mid-thirties Capehart recommended the RCA Chromium needles, but >> some collectors feel that these are hard on records. Both the >> Tungstone and Chromium needles are still rather plentiful. There >> is a more comprehensive discussion of needles on the bonus page for >> the Capehart book (see page 5). >> >> Contact me privately regarding the owner's manual and schematics. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On TuesdayJuly 14, 2009, at 10:11 AM, jimcip at earthlink.net wrote: >> >>> After many years, my 1937 Capehart 404G (serial number 10627E) is >>> now functioning & sounds great & is fun to watch as it changes >>> records. I have noticed quite a bit of "needle noise" in the >>> magnetic pickup when the volume is turned down even though the >>> pickup >>> has been restored. Is this endemic to a properly performing >>> Capehart as I suspect because all the doors to the record playing >>> compartment are sealed with rubber gaskets, presumable to contain >>> mechanical noise or does the pickup need further work? Also, >>> where can one obtain needles for playing large numbers of 78s >>> without being changed in the Capehart or Orthophonic Victrola 1050? >>> I have Mr. Baumbach's excellent book on the Capeharts without >>> which the repairman who usually works on 1950s & 1960s hifi gear >>> would have been completely at sea in working on the Capehart >>> changer but would like to obtain copies of the owner's manual & >>> schematics of the tuner & amplifiers. >>> Jim >>> Cartwright >>> Immortal >>> Performances >>> >>> >>> jimcip at earthlink.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: >> 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date: 07/14/09 05:56:00 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jimcip at earthlink.net Tue Jul 14 17:29:16 2009 From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:29:16 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart Message-ID: <380-22009731502916597@earthlink.net> Thanks for info regarding the Capehart & various types of needles. I shall seek some Victor tungstone needles - anyone have some for sale? Wear on 78rpm records (mainly those made in USA, especially Victor) from mid 1930s on is exascerbated by extreme treble pre-emphasis and a higher frequency rollover in bass in the recording curve which made possible a large increase in dynamic range. The accellerations of the loudest higher frequencys were awsome. By the early 1940s when a less radical recording curve was used together with various electronic limiters in the recording process, record wear decreased but at the cost of dynamic range - piano fortissimi & symphonic tuttis become an undifferentiated roar without the clarifying spikes of peak sounds. These practises continued at RCA into the early LP era. I think pre-1935 78s & post 1942 78s will be best to play on the Capehart. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip at earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: jimcip at earthlink.net > To: > Date: 14-Jul-2009 12:34:58 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart > > After many years, my 1937 Capehart 404G (serial number 10627E) is now functioning & sounds great & is fun to watch as it changes > records. I have noticed quite a bit of "needle noise" in the magnetic pickup when the volume is turned down even though the pickup > has been restored. Is this endemic to a properly performing Capehart as I suspect because all the doors to the record playing > compartment are sealed with rubber gaskets, presumable to contain mechanical noise or does the pickup need further work? Also, > where can one obtain needles for playing large numbers of 78s without being changed in the Capehart or Orthophonic Victrola 1050? > I have Mr. Baumbach's excellent book on the Capeharts without which the repairman who usually works on 1950s & 1960s hifi gear > would have been completely at sea in working on the Capehart changer but would like to obtain copies of the owner's manual & > schematics of the tuner & amplifiers. > Jim Cartwright > Immortal Performances > > > jimcip at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From waltsommers at comcast.net Tue Jul 14 17:44:34 2009 From: waltsommers at comcast.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:44:34 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart In-Reply-To: References: <380-220097214171134234@earthlink.net> <4A5CE54B.60908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A5D2672.4060703@comcast.net> From gbogantz1 at charter.net Tue Jul 14 20:13:32 2009 From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:13:32 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart References: <410-220097214211229453@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Doug, you are right that the early disc phonograph designers didn't have much of a clue about lateral tracking angle (LTA). This is the angle formed between the axis of modulation in the pickup (the perpendicular to the plane of the diaphragm in an acoustic reproducer) and the radius of the record at the point where the needle contacts the record. Ideally, this angle should be 0 degrees at all music radii of the record. (Sometimes you will see this angle described as 90 degrees in which case the reference is to the plane of the diaphragm instead of to the normal to that plane. "LTA error" is still the deviation from the optimum, regardless of the definition of the reference.) One of the inherent problems of designing a pivoted tonearm (a single lateral pivot point located at a finite distance from the center of the record) is that the lateral tracking angle will NEVER be constant at all record diameters. The variation in LTA at different radii is often described as the LTA error variation. Note that if you change the distance of the pivot of any given tonearm from the center of the record, the LTA changes. What is much less obvious without careful inspection is that there is one or at most two places along the music radii where the LTA error can be made to be exactly zero degrees with proper design of the tonearm. The use of a longer tonearm reduces the amount of LTA error variation along the range of radii, and in the limiting condition of an infinitely long arm, the LTA error variation goes to zero at all radii. Consequently, the LTA error problem can be eliminated by the use of a linear-tracking tonearm arrangement (which simulates an infinitely long pivoted arm) such as is used on most cylinder players and in some modern stereo LP players. (Note that even with an infinitely long tonearm or a linear-tracking arm, if the stylus position is not correct, the LTA can still be non-zero. In this case, both the ERROR and the ERROR VARIATION will be non-zero at all music radii.) But designers did figure out sometime in the 1930s that the LTA could be minimized by the judicious use of a canted angle where the plane of the reproducer diaphragm does not lie in the line of the tonearm pivot. Only one proper reproducer cant angle is optimum for a given length of tonearm (distance from the needle point to the arm pivot). You will notice that all modern record players with pivoted arms have the pickup canted at such an angle. If you've ever wondered why, this is why. What difference does LTA error make? Several things are caused by LTA error. The first effect is a lessening of loudness with increasing LTA error. This is most noticeable in acoustic players where the record is doing considerable work in transmitting power up the needle to the diaphragm. This is caused by the axis of maximum modulation sensitivity of the diaphragm not coinciding with the radius of the record along which the needle is moving with the modulation. But of more concern is the increased record wear which is caused by the nominal position of the needle actually twisting with respect to the tangent of the record groove. Increased LTA error causes more twisting of the needle from one radius to another. This can cause the sharp edges of the worn needle to come into contact with the groove walls which will gouge the record and cause more wear. This is particularly a bad situation when using hard jewel-tipped styli. Of lesser importance is the creation of intermodulation distortion caused by increased LTA error. With specific regard to the original posting here concerning the Capehart G-line phonograph, these later upgraded 16-E changers used the brown pickup head (F-line and later). This changer was the first phonograph design that I am aware of to use the "pantograph" style tonearm which had a unique pivot system that allowed the CANT angle of the pickup head to CHANGE with the record radius. This allowed the LTA error variation to be lowered considerably from that provided by any finite length fixed, pivoted tonearm design. It was a very clever and unique design for its day and it was designed explicitly by Capehart to address the LTA error variation problem. This design was also seen in a few hifi tonearms of the 1950s and was later resurrected in the Garrard Zero-100 stereo turntable in the 1970s. The "zero" in the model designation implied that the LTA error variation was zero degrees. It worked very well. Another phenomenon which arises from the use of the canted pickup head is the creation of skating force. Having the reproducer or pickup canted on the tonearm results in the drag force imparted to the tonearm thru the frictional drag of the needle in the groove to be NOT along the line to the tonearm pivot. This causes a torque on the tonearm forcing the arm to skate inward toward the center of the record. This is not too much of a problem relative to the high tracking forces used in acoustic players. But it became a significant problem in the early days of stereo LP playback. This skating force causes the stylus to bear with more force on the inner groove wall compared to the force imparted on the outer groove wall. In stereo records, the outer groove wall represents the right channel of the audio, so record listeners noticed more distortion from mistracking in the right channel than in the left. The solution was the introduction of the "anti-skating compensation" which was fitted to all modern high-end stereo record players, starting around 1966 or so (the Dual 1019 and the Garrard Lab 80 were among the first turntables to have this compensation). This compensaton is a mechanism (with weights, magnets, or springs) which imparts a slight outward torque on the tonearm designed to balance out the skating force. As you would expect, the anti-skate force needs to be adjusted to different values to properly compensate for whatever the tracking force is, so you will see these adjustments marked with tracking force numbers on turntables so equipped. It also matters what stylus shape is being used, so anti-skate adjustments are often calibrated for more than one stylus shape. Doug, I think you are probably concerned with LTA error in old phonos more than I am. As I've mentioned, the most significant problem with LTA in old phonos is the damage to records that can be caused by LTA error. But this isn't so much of a problem when using steel needles since the needle is relatively soft. But, as you say, some early designs have so much LTA error that the players can actually mistrack or skip grooves due to the large skating force that this causes. The wear problem becomes more significant when you are using harder needles such as Tungstones or any of the jewelled styli. Like you, I reserve a special stack of lesser quality records to be played in my old players so that I'm not going to worry too much about record wear from the use of tungsten needles. But as I've said earlier, I don't recommend the use of jewelled needles EVER in these old players, regardless of their LTA error. Greg Bogantz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Houston" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Capehart > Greg: I was waiting for you to address tracking angle. I can't put my > finger on it just now, but I recall seeing some mighty goofy tracking > angles on some record players. There can be little doubt that the > designers of a lot of phonographs had little or no idea what tracking > angle is, or if so, what to do about it. A couple of years ago, someone > got hold of some Victor field service bulletins, and they told of a > product campaign to correct tracking angles, and they gave serial numbers > of the Electrolas that needed correction. My Victor 9-18 was in one of > those groups. I looked at it, and it appears to be OK now, so possibly, it > was retrofitted. One can just imagine what those 5 pound magnetic pickup > heads would do to a record! > > Oh, now one comes up. The RCA Ejector changer. As far as I know, they were > all the same, and the tracking error on my RCA 381 is pretty crumby. > Unless they changed the pickup arm length, they were bad from beginning to > end. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Greg Bogantz >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Date: 7/14/2009 3:25:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Capehart >> >> Jim, you might get more response on your Capehart questions by >> posting >> to the Electrola list. Electrola is dedicated to owners of just the kind >> of >> early electric phonographs that you own: >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electrola/ >> >> But I can answer some of your questions. Yes, the early magnetic >> pickups do exhibit considerable "needle talk" compared with modern >> pickups. >> But if your pickup has not been rebuilt, it CERTAINLY needs to be. If it >> is >> not rebuilt, the rubber suspension parts have hardened and the lack of >> compliance with ruin your records in just one play! >> >> Yes, you need to find something other than common steel needles for >> use >> with record changers. The Victor Tungstone needles (and similar tungsten >> wire needles from other manufacturers) were the best choice for changers >> of >> this vintage. The electric record players of the mid 1930s up to WWII >> were >> notorious for inducing massive record wear, mostly due to the poor >> characteristics of the electric pickups and the improper needles used >> with >> them. In spite of the preponderance of the sapphire so-called >> "permanent" >> needles often found with these machines, these needles are the WRONG >> choice. >> These early pickups are much too low compliance and track at too high a >> force to use a hard jewel-tipped needle correctly. I recommend using >> tunsten wire needles for ALL of these record players if you want to >> preserve >> your records. Unfortunately, nobody makes these needles any longer, so >> you >> are faced with the choice of using steel needles and changing them with >> ever >> one or two plays (which negates the advantages of owning a record >> changer), >> buying tungsten wire needles when you can find them, or making your own >> needles. Since I am a record changer collector and have a number of >> these >> old electric players, I make my own tungsten needles. I'm not geared up >> to >> make them in quantity, so it's a tedious process. But they are worth the >> effort if you really want to use these players. >> >> The circuit diagrams for nearly every early consumer electronic >> product >> and quite a lot of mechanical repair information concerning the Capehart >> (and other early) record changers can be found in the Rider's Perpetual >> Troubleshooting (PPT) Manuals. These manuals were the mainstay of radio >> repair shops during this period up to WWII when that information business >> was taken over by Howard W. Sams. (Sams is the place to look for info on >> most postwar electronics, but they didn't publish anything on prewar >> models.) You can find the individual PPT manuals offered on eBay (there >> were 23 HUGE volumes in total), but the simplest and cheapest source of >> this >> information is to buy the scanned and digitized PPT manual collections >> complete on CD or DVD. These are also offered by several sellers on eBay >> and can usually be had for $10 or less for the ENTIRE collection. >> Another >> good source of early record changer info is the Rider's book titled >> "Automatic Record Changers and Recorders". This was a single volume >> published in 1941. These also appear often on eBay. >> >> Greg Bogantz >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:11 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart >> >> >> > After many years, my 1937 Capehart 404G (serial number 10627E) is now >> > functioning & sounds great & is fun to watch as it changes >> > records. I have noticed quite a bit of "needle noise" in the magnetic >> > pickup when the volume is turned down even though the pickup >> > has been restored. Is this endemic to a properly performing Capehart >> > as >> > I suspect because all the doors to the record playing >> > compartment are sealed with rubber gaskets, presumable to contain >> > mechanical noise or does the pickup need further work? Also, >> > where can one obtain needles for playing large numbers of 78s without >> > being changed in the Capehart or Orthophonic Victrola 1050? >> > I have Mr. Baumbach's excellent book on the Capeharts without which the >> > repairman who usually works on 1950s & 1960s hifi gear >> > would have been completely at sea in working on the Capehart changer >> > but >> > would like to obtain copies of the owner's manual & >> > schematics of the tuner & amplifiers. >> > >> > Jim Cartwright >> > >> > Immortal Performances >> > >> > >> > jimcip at earthlink.net >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Phono-L mailing list >> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Wed Jul 15 02:21:58 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Blue Amberol Boxes needed Message-ID: <23889.48159.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all I am in need of 40 Blue Amberol boxes, the late ones (orange). Can anyone fill this need? Or maybe several people? Lids would be nice but are not absolutely necessary. Does anyone know if Burdette Walters still makes repros, or does anyone have any? ? Thanks folks John Robles? ? From waltsommers at comcast.net Wed Jul 15 05:21:28 2009 From: waltsommers at comcast.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:21:28 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart In-Reply-To: References: <380-220097214171134234@earthlink.net> <4A5CE54B.60908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A5DC9C8.6050608@comcast.net> Thanks Greg, I stand corrected (and better educated). Note: Maybe when they refer to "featherweight tracking" they have Pterodactyl feathers in view? lol... Walt Greg Bogantz wrote: > Walt, the tracking force used in the early Capehart 16-E changer > which used the "fan head" black pickup was very nearly the same as > that of the other early horseshoe-magnet magnetic pickups. They track > at 120 - 150 grams or so, making the tungsten wire needles the only > good choice for multiple-play use. That would include the changers > thru about the E or F-line Capeharts (ca. 1938 and earlier). The > G-line series was about when the later, smaller brown pickup heads > came into use on the Capeharts. The early versions of these were also > magnetic and tracked at around 100 grams or so. The later versions of > the 16-E changer with the similar-looking brown pickup head were > fitted with the early Astatic crystal cartridges which tracked at 40 - > 50 grams. Still, this is too high a force to use with a hard > jewel-point needle, even though this was common practice at the time. > As you say and as I say in my other post on this subject, jewel-point > needles were really never the correct choice for these cartridges that > tracked at anything much over 12 grams or so. > > You record collectors might have noticed that the records you get > from the mid to late 1930s tend to be more worn, distorted, and noisy > than the records from the 1920s and earlier. This is because the > record players made from the mid '30s to the early postwar period > often used jewelled needles in these crystal cartridges that tracked > at 30 grams or more. The advertising of the day called this > "featherweight" tracking at only one ounce! That's a pretty heavy > feather. But they ground up the records mercilessly. Unfortunately, > this situation continued until the advent of the GE variable > reluctance (VR) magnetic cartridge that tracked at around 10 - 12 > grams and which came into common use with the Capehart 41-E changer > and other top-end record players after WWII. Even after the war, most > cheap record players continued to use crystal cartridges tracking at > 30 grams or so until microgroove vinyl records came into use after > 1948. This brought the need and application of much better cartridges > that could track at 8 grams or less. > > Greg Bogantz > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt Sommers" > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Capehart > > >> Bob, >> >> Do you know the approximate tracking mass of the Capehart pick up? I >> am guess it is probably 25 to 40 grams? The RCA Chromium needles >> would be a concern on the 10-50 or other Victor automatics that use >> the #5 acoustic Orthophonic reproducer (tracking at a whopping 130 >> grams or so) but assuming that the Capehart's pickup is something >> like 25 to 40 grams I can't imagine the RCA Chromium needles would be >> an issue. I recall reading an RCA patent (which I can't specifically >> call to mind right now) concerning the use of chromium on the needles >> which briefly discussed the issue of the relatively low mass of >> electrical pickups versus the higher mass of the acoustic reproducers. >> >> The Victor Soft or Full Tungs~Tone stylus would be ideal for the >> Capehart as well as most of the early electrical pickups. I can't say >> I would recommend the Extra Loud Tungs~Tone stylus simply because >> they are quite aggressive. Others swear by them. Whatever you choose, >> I would stay as far away from jeweled styli (sapphires, diamonds, >> etc.) as possible. Sapphires and diamonds would be great if only the >> designs of the early pickups were better. >> >> I have a feeling I am in Dr. Bogantz's area of expertise >> here...Perhaps he will jump in. >> >> Walt >> >> RBaumbach wrote: >>> Tungstone needles are probably the best choice for either the 10-50 >>> or the Capehart, and were recommended by both manufacturers. In the >>> mid-thirties Capehart recommended the RCA Chromium needles, but some >>> collectors feel that these are hard on records. Both the Tungstone >>> and Chromium needles are still rather plentiful. There is a more >>> comprehensive discussion of needles on the bonus page for the >>> Capehart book (see page 5). >>> >>> Contact me privately regarding the owner's manual and schematics. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> On TuesdayJuly 14, 2009, at 10:11 AM, jimcip at earthlink.net wrote: >>> >>>> After many years, my 1937 Capehart 404G (serial number 10627E) is >>>> now functioning & sounds great & is fun to watch as it changes >>>> records. I have noticed quite a bit of "needle noise" in the >>>> magnetic pickup when the volume is turned down even though the pickup >>>> has been restored. Is this endemic to a properly performing >>>> Capehart as I suspect because all the doors to the record playing >>>> compartment are sealed with rubber gaskets, presumable to contain >>>> mechanical noise or does the pickup need further work? Also, >>>> where can one obtain needles for playing large numbers of 78s >>>> without being changed in the Capehart or Orthophonic Victrola 1050? >>>> I have Mr. Baumbach's excellent book on the Capeharts without which >>>> the repairman who usually works on 1950s & 1960s hifi gear >>>> would have been completely at sea in working on the Capehart >>>> changer but would like to obtain copies of the owner's manual & >>>> schematics of the tuner & amplifiers. >>>> >>>> Jim Cartwright >>>> >>>> Immortal Performances >>>> >>>> >>>> jimcip at earthlink.net >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> From jeffryy at prevea.com Wed Jul 15 06:56:42 2009 From: jeffryy at prevea.com (Jeffry Young, D.O.) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:56:42 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Zonophone Question - This one makes me a little nervous! In-Reply-To: <441D5BBC-D389-453B-A9BB-4EC1BF386270@popyrus.com> References: <19A3E567-CAE7-4572-BD8E-8DC5BF103EF7@oldcrank.com><4A58C8C6.20000@cox.net><6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E4@mercury.prevea.com><8d0f6e060907140845j4d42a84bq9786dbf59e05f82@mail.gmail.com><83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B08C790CE@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com><6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E6@mercury.prevea.com> <441D5BBC-D389-453B-A9BB-4EC1BF386270@popyrus.com> Message-ID: <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E7@mercury.prevea.com> I know that Victor acquired Zonophone in 1904. The Zonophone Exhibition Style long throat reproducer would have been contemporaneous to the Victor version. So..., the question is when was this first used by Victor? The Zonophone version would have been considered an upgrade from the Concert-V. Your machine would have been sold with the Concert-V. There is no doubt that there is better sound quality with the Zonophone Exhibition Style reproducer. So, the best answer that I can give you is that the Zonophone Exhibition Style reproducer would have been used after 1904. It is possible that the original owner upgraded at the point of purchase, or at a later date. Do you have a paper label on the bottom of your case? There may be a production date. Any other Zono collectors out there with any thoughts on this question? Jeff Wisconsin -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Baron Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:53 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Zonophone Question - This one makes me a little nervous! Does anyone know when the Concert V gave way to the later style (similar to the Victor Exhibition) reproducer with the red lettering? I would love to be able to narrow down the likely date of production of my Grand Opera, which has the later type of reproducer (although the cabinet is purely traditional Zonophone style with the embossed metal top plate, S-shaped crank, Zonophone type motor, etc). I have provenance on this machine back to the early '30s, and it's known that this late style reproducer was on the machine then, so it's likely that it's been with it since new or nearly new. Thanks in advance for any insight whatsoever, even if it's a rough estimate of that time frame. Andy Baron Santa Fe On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: > John, > > You are correct! I have seen these pictures before! If you had not > found > this, you can easily tell that the horn is not polished in the added > pictures. Also, the reproducer is the later Exhibition style Zonophone > red faced reproducer, not the Concert-V that is in the original > picture. > > > The original picture looks like one of "firebottles" zonophone auction > pictures? > > So..., who is the expert at reporting fraud to ebay? How does one do > this. There are already 3 bidders? > > Thanks, > Jeff > Wisconsin _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Wed Jul 15 16:28:28 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:28:28 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Blue Amberol Boxes needed In-Reply-To: <23889.48159.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <23889.48159.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: burdettewalters at yahoo.com You can ask him. > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:21:58 -0700 > From: john9ten at pacbell.net > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Blue Amberol Boxes needed > > Hello all > I am in need of 40 Blue Amberol boxes, the late ones (orange). Can anyone fill this need? Or maybe several people? Lids would be nice but are not absolutely necessary. Does anyone know if Burdette Walters still makes repros, or does anyone have any? > > Thanks folks > John Robles > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Thu Jul 16 00:01:00 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Blue Amberol Boxes needed Message-ID: <995959.27744.qm@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thans a lot! --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Steven Medved wrote: From: Steven Medved Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Blue Amberol Boxes needed To: "Phono-l" Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 4:28 PM burdettewalters at yahoo.com You can ask him. > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:21:58 -0700 > From: john9ten at pacbell.net > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Blue Amberol Boxes needed > > Hello all > I am in need of 40 Blue Amberol boxes, the late ones (orange). Can anyone fill this need? Or maybe several people? Lids would be nice but are not absolutely necessary. Does anyone know if Burdette Walters still makes repros, or does anyone have any? >? > Thanks folks > John Robles >? > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Thu Jul 16 05:32:06 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:32:06 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Blue Amberol Boxes needed In-Reply-To: <995959.27744.qm@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <995959.27744.qm@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Always happy to help. > > Thans a lot! > > --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Steven Medved wrote: > > >> > > > burdettewalters at yahoo.com > > You can ask him. > > > > > Hello all > > I am in need of 40 Blue Amberol boxes, the late ones (orange). Can anyone fill this need? Or maybe several people? Lids would be nice but are not absolutely necessary. Does anyone know if Burdette Walters still makes repros, or does anyone have any? > > > > Thanks folks > > John Robles From john9ten at pacbell.net Thu Jul 16 07:11:39 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten at pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:11:39 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Blue Amberol Boxes needed Message-ID: <571270152-1247753416-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1029010681-@bxe1231.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Burdette said he'd make the boxes for me, so thanks a lot! He's having some health problems so anyone that knows him may want to send a 'hello'. He went to the doctor for some tests and didn't do well, and is now on a new heart medication they hope will help him. John ------Original Message------ From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Blue Amberol Boxes needed Sent: Jul 16, 2009 5:32 AM Always happy to help. > > Thans a lot! > > --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Steven Medved wrote: > > >> > > > burdettewalters at yahoo.com > > You can ask him. > > > > > Hello all > > I am in need of 40 Blue Amberol boxes, the late ones (orange). Can anyone fill this need? Or maybe several people? Lids would be nice but are not absolutely necessary. Does anyone know if Burdette Walters still makes repros, or does anyone have any? > > > > Thanks folks > > John Robles _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From jimcip at earthlink.net Thu Jul 16 09:46:29 2009 From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:46:29 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Capehart Message-ID: <380-220097416164629312@earthlink.net> Dear Mr.Baumbach: Thanks for your responce to my query about my Capehart. How do I contact you privately about Capehart 404G owners manual & schematics? UT has the Rider's book of schematics - do you offer something better? Without your Capehart book, the stereo repairman would never have been able to get the changer working. The on-line video of operating changers was also a big help. Again thanking you and sending all good wishes, I remain... Ver y truly yours, Jim Cartwright Imm ortal Performances 140 4 West 30th Street Aus tin, Texas 78703 (51 2) 478-9954 jim cip at earthlink.net jimcip at earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: RBaumbach > To: Antique Phonograph List > Date: 14-Jul-2009 2:01:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Capehart > > Tungstone needles are probably the best choice for either the 10-50 or > the Capehart, and were recommended by both manufacturers. In the mid- > thirties Capehart recommended the RCA Chromium needles, but some > collectors feel that these are hard on records. Both the Tungstone > and Chromium needles are still rather plentiful. There is a more > comprehensive discussion of needles on the bonus page for the Capehart > book (see page 5). > > Contact me privately regarding the owner's manual and schematics. > > Bob > > > On TuesdayJuly 14, 2009, at 10:11 AM, jimcip at earthlink.net wrote: > > > After many years, my 1937 Capehart 404G (serial number 10627E) is > > now functioning & sounds great & is fun to watch as it changes > > records. I have noticed quite a bit of "needle noise" in the > > magnetic pickup when the volume is turned down even though the pickup > > has been restored. Is this endemic to a properly performing > > Capehart as I suspect because all the doors to the record playing > > compartment are sealed with rubber gaskets, presumable to contain > > mechanical noise or does the pickup need further work? Also, > > where can one obtain needles for playing large numbers of 78s > > without being changed in the Capehart or Orthophonic Victrola 1050? > > I have Mr. Baumbach's excellent book on the Capeharts without which > > the repairman who usually works on 1950s & 1960s hifi gear > > would have been completely at sea in working on the Capehart changer > > but would like to obtain copies of the owner's manual & > > schematics of the tuner & amplifiers. > > Jim > > Cartwright > > Immortal > > Performances > > > > > > jimcip at earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From andy at popyrus.com Thu Jul 16 11:17:21 2009 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:17:21 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Zonophone Grand Opera Questions In-Reply-To: <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E7@mercury.prevea.com> References: <19A3E567-CAE7-4572-BD8E-8DC5BF103EF7@oldcrank.com><4A58C8C6.20000@cox.net><6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E4@mercury.prevea.com><8d0f6e060907140845j4d42a84bq9786dbf59e05f82@mail.gmail.com><83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B08C790CE@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com><6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E6@mercury.prevea.com> <441D5BBC-D389-453B-A9BB-4EC1BF386270@popyrus.com> <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E7@mercury.prevea.com> Message-ID: <63AA85AA-C5A1-4537-9A82-C6D92FA48612@popyrus.com> Thanks, Jeff for your reply. Is there any specific information available at all about the month or dates in 1904 in which Victor acquired Zonophone? The paper on the bottom of the cabinet appears to have an Oct 1st 1903 printing form date, and a hand-written serial number (9502). The serial number on the reproducer is 6768, and the lettering behind the diaphragm reads: "*ZONOPHONE* UNIVERSAL TALKING MACHINE MFG. CO. NY", and in the smaller lettering of the inner circle: "PAT. IN U.S. & FOREIGN COUNTRIES", and "MANUFACTURED EXCLUSIVELY BY". As much as I would prize owning the iconic beveled glass version of a Grand Opera, this one is a factory rear-mount machine, which makes it interesting in its own right since they seem to be so much scarcer. Therefore the sound box isn't a long-throat type since it's mounted at the end of a tone arm. Would a rear-mount version ever have been equipped with the Concert-V or some variant of it? This Grand Opera must have been made around the time of the Victor acquisition or shortly thereafter, before the Zonophones were restyled more similar to Victor machines. It has the deeply embossed Universal top plate and all the classic Zonophone features, as outlined in my first inquiry. The top plate has a slot for accommodating a front- mount bracket. It's likely that it had been with the same family since new or nearly new. Based on this, my assumption is that it was an unsold older model at the time of its eventual first-time sale, and may have been a couple years old at that time as evidenced by the horn, which is not only rear mount as noted above, but petaled (11 panels). As with pre- Victor Zonophones in general, the horn is all brass including the elbow. My friend whom I acquired the machine from recalls clearly that this horn was on it when he first saw the machine in the early '30s, so my assumption has been that if the horn was on the machine when it was first sold, the year of sale must have been around 1905, near the beginning of petaled horn production, and the horn may have been installed to prior to its first sale, perhaps replacing a more traditional brass-bell & conical body horn, to make the machine appear more up to date. I would like to get more insight into this machine and its probably history, and hear from anyone who either agrees with my unscientific assumptions, or has some additional information that would help me to more accurately reconstruct the circumstances around its origins. Best regards, Andy Baron Santa Fe On Jul 15, 2009, at 7:56 AM, Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: > I know that Victor acquired Zonophone in 1904. The Zonophone > Exhibition > Style long throat reproducer would have been contemporaneous to the > Victor version. So..., the question is when was this first used by > Victor? The Zonophone version would have been considered an upgrade > from > the Concert-V. Your machine would have been sold with the Concert-V. > There is no doubt that there is better sound quality with the > Zonophone > Exhibition Style reproducer. > > So, the best answer that I can give you is that the Zonophone > Exhibition > Style reproducer would have been used after 1904. It is possible that > the original owner upgraded at the point of purchase, or at a later > date. Do you have a paper label on the bottom of your case? There > may be > a production date. > > Any other Zono collectors out there with any thoughts on this > question? > > Jeff > Wisconsin > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org > ] > On Behalf Of Andrew Baron > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:53 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: [Phono-L] Zonophone Question - This one makes me a little > nervous! > > Does anyone know when the Concert V gave way to the later style > (similar to the Victor Exhibition) reproducer with the red lettering? > > I would love to be able to narrow down the likely date of production > of my Grand Opera, which has the later type of reproducer (although > the cabinet is purely traditional Zonophone style with the embossed > metal top plate, S-shaped crank, Zonophone type motor, etc). > > I have provenance on this machine back to the early '30s, and it's > known that this late style reproducer was on the machine then, so it's > likely that it's been with it since new or nearly new. > > Thanks in advance for any insight whatsoever, even if it's a rough > estimate of that time frame. > > Andy Baron > Santa Fe > > > On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: > >> John, >> >> You are correct! I have seen these pictures before! If you had not >> found >> this, you can easily tell that the horn is not polished in the added >> pictures. Also, the reproducer is the later Exhibition style >> Zonophone >> red faced reproducer, not the Concert-V that is in the original >> picture. >> >> >> The original picture looks like one of "firebottles" zonophone >> auction >> pictures? >> >> So..., who is the expert at reporting fraud to ebay? How does one do >> this. There are already 3 bidders? >> >> Thanks, >> Jeff >> Wisconsin > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From AllenAmet at aol.com Thu Jul 16 11:33:56 2009 From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:33:56 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Zonophone Grand Opera Questions Message-ID: In a message dated 7/16/2009 2:18:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, andy at popyrus.com writes: "Is there any specific information available at all about the month or dates in 1904 in which Victor acquired Zonophone?" --------------- according to PHP, Victor acquired the UTMMfgCo in Sept 1903 (for $135,000), and kept it until June 1912, when it (Zonophone) was disbanded on court order (old suit by Columbia). Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) From andy at popyrus.com Thu Jul 16 12:50:48 2009 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:50:48 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Zonophone Grand Opera Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Many thanks, Allen for this insight. It is much appreciated. Based on this, and the printed date on the label on the bottom of my Grand Opera, the legal aspect of the acquisition was already in place when my traditional style Grand Opera (albeit rear-mount) was made (or at least the date at which the label was affixed), and Zonophones were continuing to be marketed in the traditional pre-Victor-acquisition style for the moment. It would be interesting to learn the first distribution dates for the Victor re-styled Grand Opera and the other Zonophone models. Best, Andy On Jul 16, 2009, at 12:33 PM, AllenAmet at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/16/2009 2:18:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > andy at popyrus.com writes: > > "Is there any specific information available at all about the month > or > dates in 1904 in which Victor acquired Zonophone?" > > > --------------- > according to PHP, Victor acquired the UTMMfgCo in Sept 1903 (for > $135,000), and kept it until June 1912, when it (Zonophone) was > disbanded on > court order (old suit by Columbia). > > Allen > _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From deedeeblais at yahoo.com Thu Jul 16 17:07:36 2009 From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] [SPAM] Amberola DX With Cylinders for $375 For Sale Message-ID: <449968.6905.qm@web37007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am at the Oregon Coast on vacation and found an Amberola DX with 21 cylinders. The machine plays perfectly and all the cylinders are in their correct box (most without the correct lid). The machine is in very nice condition with a couple of very tiny pieces of veneer missing. The missing veneer pieces are no bigger than an eraser head. There are nineteen Edison Blue Amberol, one 4min Columbia Indestructible, and one U.S. Everlasting record. The machine is missing the grill but that's the same grill that fits an Amberola 30 and is readily available. The price of the machine and all of the cylinders is $375 delivered to CAPS. Please contact me off list or call 541-990-0781 (Pacific time) if interested. Sorry but I can't send photos until I get home and I doubt if it lasts that long. Thanks, Jerry Blais From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Thu Jul 16 18:00:01 2009 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] [SPAM] Amberola DX With Cylinders for $375 For Sale Message-ID: <288389.19284.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry, Don't bring the DX to CAPS !!!!!!!!!! I'm interested in it. I missed out on 2 of them, and I hope not to lose this one. Once I restore the Amberola X, I'll probably sell it. Have a great trip, Harvey --- On Thu, 7/16/09, DeeDee Blais wrote: From: DeeDee Blais Subject: [Phono-L] [SPAM] Amberola DX With Cylinders for $375 For Sale To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 5:07 PM I am at the Oregon Coast on vacation and found an Amberola DX with 21 cylinders.? The machine plays perfectly and all the cylinders are in their correct box (most without the correct lid).? The machine is in very nice condition with a couple of very tiny pieces of veneer missing.? The missing veneer pieces are no bigger than an eraser head.? There are nineteen Edison Blue Amberol, one 4min Columbia Indestructible, and one U.S. Everlasting record.? The machine is missing the grill but that's the same grill that fits an Amberola 30 and is readily available.? The price of the machine and all of the cylinders is $375 delivered to CAPS.? Please contact me off list or call 541-990-0781 (Pacific time) if interested.? Sorry but I can't send photos until I get home and I doubt if it lasts that long.? Thanks, Jerry Blais ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From cenfin at comcast.net Thu Jul 16 18:25:37 2009 From: cenfin at comcast.net (Albert) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:25:37 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] [SPAM] Amberola DX With Cylinders for $375 For Sale References: <288389.19284.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45CAEFEB07E4488C98FFABA724573339@Home> You know my first cylinder phonograph was an Amberola DX that I bought from Ed Curry in Everett, Wa. in 1981 and I paid him $375.00. So much for investment potential. AL ----- Original Message ----- From: "harvey kravitz" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [SPAM] Amberola DX With Cylinders for $375 For Sale Hi Jerry, Don't bring the DX to CAPS !!!!!!!!!! I'm interested in it. I missed out on 2 of them, and I hope not to lose this one. Once I restore the Amberola X, I'll probably sell it. Have a great trip, Harvey --- On Thu, 7/16/09, DeeDee Blais wrote: From: DeeDee Blais Subject: [Phono-L] [SPAM] Amberola DX With Cylinders for $375 For Sale To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 5:07 PM I am at the Oregon Coast on vacation and found an Amberola DX with 21 cylinders. The machine plays perfectly and all the cylinders are in their correct box (most without the correct lid). The machine is in very nice condition with a couple of very tiny pieces of veneer missing. The missing veneer pieces are no bigger than an eraser head. There are nineteen Edison Blue Amberol, one 4min Columbia Indestructible, and one U.S. Everlasting record. The machine is missing the grill but that's the same grill that fits an Amberola 30 and is readily available. The price of the machine and all of the cylinders is $375 delivered to CAPS. Please contact me off list or call 541-990-0781 (Pacific time) if interested. Sorry but I can't send photos until I get home and I doubt if it lasts that long. Thanks, Jerry Blais _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM From deedeeblais at yahoo.com Thu Jul 16 21:18:31 2009 From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola DX has been sold. Thanks! Message-ID: <13209.84533.qm@web37005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, the Amberola DX has been sold. Jerry Blais From nipper27 at comcast.net Thu Jul 16 21:47:54 2009 From: nipper27 at comcast.net (Nipper) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:47:54 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] 1050 PARTS LIST FOR SALE . Message-ID: <616A24BE375B442997E085460BF38212@NickPC> 1050 PARTS LIST FOR SALE . Changer Only ( Tone arm or Reproducer)$450. Tone arm and reproducer $200. Doors (They have being restored, not by me.)$150 each . Back Panel original with decal $200. Front Cover $75. Draw loader $100 . Grill with Replacement grill cloth $150. If you Need a part not on the list just ask and i will reply if i have it . If you need the horn i will take it out but will only sell if majority of parts are sold, Price will be decided later. I will ship all parts , if you are paying for shipping and handling . Nipper From nipper27 at comcast.net Thu Jul 16 21:49:35 2009 From: nipper27 at comcast.net (Nipper) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:49:35 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] 1050 PARTS LIST FOR SALE . Message-ID: 1050 PARTS LIST FOR SALE . Changer Only ( No Tone arm or Reproducer)$450. Tone arm and reproducer $200. Doors (They have being restored, not by me.)$150 each . Back Panel original with decal $200. Front Cover $75. Draw loader $100 . Grill with Replacement grill cloth $150. If you Need a part not on the list just ask and i will reply if i have it . If you need the horn i will take it out but will only sell if majority of parts are sold, Price will be decided later. I will ship all parts , if you are paying for shipping and handling . Nipper From jeffryy at prevea.com Fri Jul 17 08:49:03 2009 From: jeffryy at prevea.com (Jeffry Young, D.O.) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:49:03 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Zonophone Grand Opera Questions In-Reply-To: <63AA85AA-C5A1-4537-9A82-C6D92FA48612@popyrus.com> References: <19A3E567-CAE7-4572-BD8E-8DC5BF103EF7@oldcrank.com><4A58C8C6.20000@cox.net><6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E4@mercury.prevea.com><8d0f6e060907140845j4d42a84bq9786dbf59e05f82@mail.gmail.com><83ED3A40994C4049816F85F3E9030F1B08C790CE@ALPMLVEM14.e2k.ad.ge.com><6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E6@mercury.prevea.com><441D5BBC-D389-453B-A9BB-4EC1BF386270@popyrus.com><6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05E7@mercury.prevea.com> <63AA85AA-C5A1-4537-9A82-C6D92FA48612@popyrus.com> Message-ID: <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA05EE@mercury.prevea.com> The serial number on the paper label should match the serial number on the metal bedplate. This machine would have been sold with the Exhibition style reproducer. After Victor acquired Zonophone, they were putting things together in any combination just to get the merchandise out the door. You can see a lot of variation. That is part of what makes Zonophones neat, but also what scares a lot of collectors away from them, because they don't know what is correct on some of the models. The 11 panel, all-brass petaled horn is the #4 horn and sold new for $11 according to a catalog that I have. They also made an 11 panel nickled horn, which I have on my back mount Grand Opera, which is a Victor version with wooden motor board. The nickled horn was the #5, and sold for $13. It was the most expensive of the horns they sold. I have never seen another one. Jeff Wisconsin -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Baron Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:17 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Zonophone Grand Opera Questions Thanks, Jeff for your reply. Is there any specific information available at all about the month or dates in 1904 in which Victor acquired Zonophone? The paper on the bottom of the cabinet appears to have an Oct 1st 1903 printing form date, and a hand-written serial number (9502). The serial number on the reproducer is 6768, and the lettering behind the diaphragm reads: "*ZONOPHONE* UNIVERSAL TALKING MACHINE MFG. CO. NY", and in the smaller lettering of the inner circle: "PAT. IN U.S. & FOREIGN COUNTRIES", and "MANUFACTURED EXCLUSIVELY BY". As much as I would prize owning the iconic beveled glass version of a Grand Opera, this one is a factory rear-mount machine, which makes it interesting in its own right since they seem to be so much scarcer. Therefore the sound box isn't a long-throat type since it's mounted at the end of a tone arm. Would a rear-mount version ever have been equipped with the Concert-V or some variant of it? This Grand Opera must have been made around the time of the Victor acquisition or shortly thereafter, before the Zonophones were restyled more similar to Victor machines. It has the deeply embossed Universal top plate and all the classic Zonophone features, as outlined in my first inquiry. The top plate has a slot for accommodating a front- mount bracket. It's likely that it had been with the same family since new or nearly new. Based on this, my assumption is that it was an unsold older model at the time of its eventual first-time sale, and may have been a couple years old at that time as evidenced by the horn, which is not only rear mount as noted above, but petaled (11 panels). As with pre- Victor Zonophones in general, the horn is all brass including the elbow. My friend whom I acquired the machine from recalls clearly that this horn was on it when he first saw the machine in the early '30s, so my assumption has been that if the horn was on the machine when it was first sold, the year of sale must have been around 1905, near the beginning of petaled horn production, and the horn may have been installed to prior to its first sale, perhaps replacing a more traditional brass-bell & conical body horn, to make the machine appear more up to date. I would like to get more insight into this machine and its probably history, and hear from anyone who either agrees with my unscientific assumptions, or has some additional information that would help me to more accurately reconstruct the circumstances around its origins. Best regards, Andy Baron Santa Fe On Jul 15, 2009, at 7:56 AM, Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: > I know that Victor acquired Zonophone in 1904. The Zonophone > Exhibition > Style long throat reproducer would have been contemporaneous to the > Victor version. So..., the question is when was this first used by > Victor? The Zonophone version would have been considered an upgrade > from > the Concert-V. Your machine would have been sold with the Concert-V. > There is no doubt that there is better sound quality with the > Zonophone > Exhibition Style reproducer. > > So, the best answer that I can give you is that the Zonophone > Exhibition > Style reproducer would have been used after 1904. It is possible that > the original owner upgraded at the point of purchase, or at a later > date. Do you have a paper label on the bottom of your case? There > may be > a production date. > > Any other Zono collectors out there with any thoughts on this > question? > > Jeff > Wisconsin > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org > ] > On Behalf Of Andrew Baron > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:53 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: [Phono-L] Zonophone Question - This one makes me a little > nervous! > > Does anyone know when the Concert V gave way to the later style > (similar to the Victor Exhibition) reproducer with the red lettering? > > I would love to be able to narrow down the likely date of production > of my Grand Opera, which has the later type of reproducer (although > the cabinet is purely traditional Zonophone style with the embossed > metal top plate, S-shaped crank, Zonophone type motor, etc). > > I have provenance on this machine back to the early '30s, and it's > known that this late style reproducer was on the machine then, so it's > likely that it's been with it since new or nearly new. > > Thanks in advance for any insight whatsoever, even if it's a rough > estimate of that time frame. > > Andy Baron > Santa Fe > > > On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Jeffry Young, D.O. wrote: > >> John, >> >> You are correct! I have seen these pictures before! If you had not >> found >> this, you can easily tell that the horn is not polished in the added >> pictures. Also, the reproducer is the later Exhibition style >> Zonophone >> red faced reproducer, not the Concert-V that is in the original >> picture. >> >> >> The original picture looks like one of "firebottles" zonophone >> auction >> pictures? >> >> So..., who is the expert at reporting fraud to ebay? How does one do >> this. There are already 3 bidders? >> >> Thanks, >> Jeff >> Wisconsin > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Fri Jul 17 14:13:32 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:13:32 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Is this decapitated? Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/Columbia-Grafonola-DeLuxe-Lions-Head-Phonograph_W0QQitemZ280370292024 From loran at oldcrank.com Sat Jul 18 07:49:12 2009 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:49:12 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Server issues Message-ID: Folks, Just to let you know that we went off line last night and just now came back up. I worked late into the night and was up at 4:00 a.m. getting it up & running again. If you tried to post during that time, your messages may have gone to the big bit-bucket in the sky. Sorry for the inconvenience! Loran From john9ten at pacbell.net Sat Jul 18 08:05:18 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Server issues Message-ID: <543783.47579.qm@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Loran, A little inconvenince is a very small price to pay for the incredible amount of work and dedication you put into this site. Thank you. John Robles --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Loran Hughes wrote: From: Loran Hughes Subject: [Phono-L] Server issues To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 7:49 AM Folks, Just to let you know that we went off line last night and just now came back up. I worked late into the night and was up at 4:00 a.m. getting it up & running again. If you tried to post during that time, your messages may have gone to the big bit-bucket in the sky. Sorry for the inconvenience! Loran _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From dan at old-phonographs.com Sat Jul 18 09:29:30 2009 From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:29:30 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Server issues In-Reply-To: <543783.47579.qm@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <543783.47579.qm@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'll second that! Thanks Loran for all the help and attention to the site. It's a love of the hobby and the technology that makes you a good site admin. Many thanks! Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Server issues > Loran, > A little inconvenince is a very small price to pay for the incredible > amount of work and dedication you put into this site. Thank you. > John Robles > > --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Loran Hughes wrote: > > > From: Loran Hughes > Subject: [Phono-L] Server issues > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 7:49 AM > > > Folks, > > Just to let you know that we went off line last night and just now came > back up. I worked late into the night and was up at 4:00 a.m. getting it > up & running again. If you tried to post during that time, your messages > may have gone to the big bit-bucket in the sky. Sorry for the > inconvenience! > > Loran > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com Fri Jul 17 17:22:07 2009 From: hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com (Hawthorn's Antique Audio) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:22:07 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] commercial - early 7" discs for sale Message-ID: <55F4EA4827294E309617E692DA1A649C@Tom> Hi Everyone, We've just published a small supplemental list that contains some nice 7" records for sale, including a couple of Berliners and Improved Gram-O-Phones (the first paper label). These will be offered on eBay, and we'll be happy to send you the schedule of when they will be listed - just email us off list. Or, you can visit our website and download the list directly. Thanks! Tom Hawthorn Hawthorn's Antique Audio www.thoseoldrecords.com hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com From ger55 at comcast.net Mon Jul 20 11:00:13 2009 From: ger55 at comcast.net (ger) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:00:13 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone headboard Message-ID: <744CE9E3E59540C68E7761B74B5FE908@GER1> A few months ago, someone had some repro Hexaphone headboards (piece above the machine for writing). I'm not sure what the correct term is, but I am looking for this piece for my machine. Can anyone tell me where I might get either an original OR a repro of the Hexaphone headboard? OR, can the person who made these, make me one??? Or, failing that, can someone give me a detailed diagram with measurements and specs so that I can have one made myself?? Thanks so much, Ger From KEEPERH2O at aol.com Mon Jul 20 21:22:45 2009 From: KEEPERH2O at aol.com (KEEPERH2O at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:22:45 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Questions for ye Brits or HMV Collectors Message-ID: Greetings! I just purchased a lovely, dark oak, HMV, Model 163 Gramophone that is rather similar to an "Eight-Eight" or "Eight-Nine" Orthophonic Victrola. The entire cabinet of ample proportions is devoted to the horn leaving no room for record storage. It has delightfully excellent sound quality and sports an "automatic" shut off that works perfectly with Victor "VE" (scroll) records. The machine is missing its waste-needle cup which brings me to the first question: Though the empty space would no doubt contain a generic Victor waste-needle cup, it would set a bit high and there are two slots on either side, cut into the board, which implies another contrivance. So, I believe I am looking for something with an appearance presently unknown to me. What is it and is there a British "George or Dwayne" out there who may have the part? Also, the machine has 4 caster wheels with solid rubber "tires." The rubber is shot. Who knows where I may I inquire for replacement or alternative tires? Thank you in advance for any response, Edward, in Zigzag, Oregon, USA **************What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) From nipper27 at comcast.net Tue Jul 21 00:03:13 2009 From: nipper27 at comcast.net (Nipper) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:03:13 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Questions for ye Brits or HMV Collectors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Edward, This forum may be apple to help you out , http://gramophones.proboards.com/index.cgi Is this Hmv to keep or up for sale /trade ? I may have a VV8-9 machine to trade if is in fair condition . Hope this helps Nipper ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Questions for ye Brits or HMV Collectors > > Greetings! > > I just purchased a lovely, dark oak, HMV, Model 163 Gramophone that is > rather similar to an "Eight-Eight" or "Eight-Nine" Orthophonic Victrola. > The > entire cabinet of ample proportions is devoted to the horn leaving no > room > for record storage. It has delightfully excellent sound quality and > sports > an "automatic" shut off that works perfectly with Victor "VE" (scroll) > records. > > The machine is missing its waste-needle cup which brings me to the first > question: Though the empty space would no doubt contain a generic Victor > waste-needle cup, it would set a bit high and there are two slots on > either > side, cut into the board, which implies another contrivance. So, I > believe > I am looking for something with an appearance presently unknown to me. > What is it and is there a British "George or Dwayne" out there who may > have > the part? > > Also, the machine has 4 caster wheels with solid rubber "tires." The > rubber is shot. Who knows where I may I inquire for replacement or > alternative > tires? > > Thank you in advance for any response, > > Edward, > in Zigzag, Oregon, USA > > > > **************What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas > for any occasion. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jackwhelan at hotmail.com Tue Jul 21 10:30:55 2009 From: jackwhelan at hotmail.com (Jack Whelan) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:30:55 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] RCA History Message-ID: Gents, Interesting article about the RCA Company history and fundraiser for the Camden County Historical Society http://historiccamdencounty.com/ccnews140.shtml Good story, have fun, Jack Whelan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports From dan at old-phonographs.com Tue Jul 21 11:44:58 2009 From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:44:58 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] RCA History In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great fun! Thanks for the link. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Jack Whelan wrote: > > Gents, > > > > Interesting article about the RCA Company history and fundraiser for the > Camden County Historical Society > > > > http://historiccamdencounty.com/ccnews140.shtml > > > > Good story, have fun, > > > > Jack Whelan > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live? Hotmail?: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports > pics. Check it out. > > http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 13:27:54 2009 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:27:54 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Wanted Baby Regent Message-ID: <4a6624ce.25bc720a.35cb.38e3@mx.google.com> Hello Phonofriends, I'm still looking to adopt a nice little Columbia Baby Regent. Anyone know of a stray in need of a good home? Jay From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 13:29:17 2009 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:29:17 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Baby Regent follow up Message-ID: <4a662521.25bc720a.35cb.3919@mx.google.com> You can contact me at jay.horenstein at gmail.com. Thanks again, Jay From steve_noreen at msn.com Tue Jul 21 17:27:08 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:27:08 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] My South Polar expedition by: Lt. Ernest H. Shackleton, explorer Message-ID: What is this record selling for in good condition with the original box and lid? Steve My South Polar expedition Spoken by: Lt. Ernest H. Shackleton, explorer Recording date: March 30, 1910 Record format: Edison Amberol cylinder Release number: 4M- 473 Release date: July 1910 From john9ten at pacbell.net Tue Jul 21 18:16:47 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten at pacbell.net) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:16:47 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] My South Polar expedition by: Lt. Ernest H. Shackleton, explorer Message-ID: <95123746-1248225300-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-291387407-@bxe1231.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Mine sold about 4 years ago for $700.00. John Robles ------Original Message------ From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org To: phonolist To: Phono-l ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] My South Polar expedition by: Lt. Ernest H. Shackleton,explorer Sent: Jul 21, 2009 5:27 PM What is this record selling for in good condition with the original box and lid? Steve My South Polar expedition Spoken by: Lt. Ernest H. Shackleton, explorer Recording date: March 30, 1910 Record format: Edison Amberol cylinder Release number: 4M- 473 Release date: July 1910 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From PHONOSTUFF at aol.com Wed Jul 22 13:20:45 2009 From: PHONOSTUFF at aol.com (PHONOSTUFF at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:20:45 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] My South Polar expedition by: Lt. Ernest H. Shackleton, explorer Message-ID: Here is the audio of this cylinder _http://www.archive.org/details/EDIS-SRP-0158-01_ (http://www.archive.org/details/EDIS-SRP-0158-01) Joan In a message dated 7/21/2009 8:27:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, steve_noreen at msn.com writes: What is this record selling for in good condition with the original box and lid? Steve My South Polar expedition Spoken by: Lt. Ernest H. Shackleton, explorer Recording date: March 30, 1910 Record format: Edison Amberol cylinder Release number: 4M- 473 Release date: July 1910 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223096155x1201715982/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D6) From maxbud12 at wowway.com Wed Jul 22 13:30:50 2009 From: maxbud12 at wowway.com (Bruce Mercer) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:30:50 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] HMV Slots References: <4a662521.25bc720a.35cb.3919@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5FEE97E853FB4B0E92C34ACD26456031@VAIO> The slots are to store Tungs-tone needle tins vertically. If the hole has a flat bottom it indeed where the used needle receiver goes. If rounded, it's to be filled with fresh steel needles. Usually the slots have a metal trim piece around them. Bruce From deedeeblais at yahoo.com Thu Jul 23 11:22:38 2009 From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Vic III parts for sale! Message-ID: <146178.55805.qm@web37008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have the following Vic III parts for sale. Most of the bright parts need to be re-plated but everything is original. I have photos that I'll gladly send. Things are sold to the first person that says "I'll take it" or something with that intent. Please contact me off list or call 541-990-0781. 1) Vic III back bracket (will also work fine on a Vic M or IV), plan on repainting, $150. 2) Vic III tone arm (will also work fine on a Vic IV, V, M, MS, D, or VI), needs plating but there are no dents. $125. 3) Vic elbow (correct size for III, IV, V, VI, M, MS, D), needs plating, $100. 4) Back bracket plate & screws. Screws need re-plating, $35. 5) Cannon brake, complete but needs plating, $45. 6) Back bracket clip & screw, $35. 7) Crank, plating is usable "as is" but not perfect. $50. 8) Exhibition, not complete. $20. 9) Cabinet, includes name tag, crank escutcheon, but is missing two corner columns. $100. 10) Motor, the motor is complete except for the governor springs & weights. $250. Thanks, Jerry Blais From nipper27 at comcast.net Thu Jul 23 12:32:11 2009 From: nipper27 at comcast.net (Nipper) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:32:11 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Vic III parts for salo e! In-Reply-To: <146178.55805.qm@web37008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <146178.55805.qm@web37008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <561AA0353568425BB2C3D34BDE6CA7B1@NickPC> Hi Jerry Please email me some pics of the elbow Can you hold the Elbow till i see the pics ? Is it nice ? Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "DeeDee Blais" To: Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Vic III parts for sale! >I have the following Vic III parts for sale. Most of the bright parts need >to be re-plated but everything is original. I have photos that I'll gladly >send. Things are sold to the first person that says "I'll take it" or >something with that intent. Please contact me off list or call >541-990-0781. > 1) Vic III back bracket (will also work fine on a Vic M or IV), plan on > repainting, $150. > 2) Vic III tone arm (will also work fine on a Vic IV, V, M, MS, D, or VI), > needs plating but there are no dents. $125. > 3) Vic elbow (correct size for III, IV, V, VI, M, MS, D), needs plating, > $100. > 4) Back bracket plate & screws. Screws need re-plating, $35. > 5) Cannon brake, complete but needs plating, $45. > 6) Back bracket clip & screw, $35. > 7) Crank, plating is usable "as is" but not perfect. $50. > 8) Exhibition, not complete. $20. > 9) Cabinet, includes name tag, crank escutcheon, but is missing two corner > columns. $100. > 10) Motor, the motor is complete except for the governor springs & > weights. $250. > Thanks, Jerry Blais > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From maffit2 at bresnan.net Thu Jul 23 16:54:55 2009 From: maffit2 at bresnan.net (Bob Maffit) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:54:55 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Vic III parts for sale! In-Reply-To: <146178.55805.qm@web37008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <146178.55805.qm@web37008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01ca0bf0$fbf69be0$f3e3d3a0$@net> Jerry: I would like the reproducer, if it includes the needle bar? Please hold for me, until my question is answered. Thanks Bob -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:23 PM To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Vic III parts for sale! I have the following Vic III parts for sale. Most of the bright parts need to be re-plated but everything is original. I have photos that I'll gladly send. Things are sold to the first person that says "I'll take it" or something with that intent. Please contact me off list or call 541-990-0781. 1) Vic III back bracket (will also work fine on a Vic M or IV), plan on repainting, $150. 2) Vic III tone arm (will also work fine on a Vic IV, V, M, MS, D, or VI), needs plating but there are no dents. $125. 3) Vic elbow (correct size for III, IV, V, VI, M, MS, D), needs plating, $100. 4) Back bracket plate & screws. Screws need re-plating, $35. 5) Cannon brake, complete but needs plating, $45. 6) Back bracket clip & screw, $35. 7) Crank, plating is usable "as is" but not perfect. $50. 8) Exhibition, not complete. $20. 9) Cabinet, includes name tag, crank escutcheon, but is missing two corner columns. $100. 10) Motor, the motor is complete except for the governor springs & weights. $250. Thanks, Jerry Blais _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 18:00:00 From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Thu Jul 23 17:10:37 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? Message-ID: <1673000395.2974801248394237612.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123 What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows up in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round Identifying plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used the Oxford name for its machines and records until a few years later. Also look at the name on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at some sort of weird Craponola here?? Bruce From edisone1 at verizon.net Thu Jul 23 17:46:44 2009 From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:46:44 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] [phonolist] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? References: <1673000395.2974801248394237612.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3E7D7F914B194F08A160F272ACF8CD35@moms> AND the crank is opposite the horn mount. Dr.Phon-en-stein didn't even know where to put them! ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanKj" To: ; "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [phonolist] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > Utter CRAPophone, yep ! Love the phillips screws on the fake name plate & > the Home Depot copper elbow. egads. From edisone1 at verizon.net Thu Jul 23 17:31:31 2009 From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:31:31 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] [phonolist] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? References: <1673000395.2974801248394237612.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Utter CRAPophone, yep ! Love the phillips screws on the fake name plate & the Home Depot copper elbow. egads. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Phonolist" ; "Phono-L" Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:10 PM Subject: [phonolist] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123 > > > What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a > Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows up > in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round > Identifying plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used > the Oxford name for its machines and records until a few years later. Also > look at the name on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at > some sort of weird Craponola here?? > > Bruce >> mailto:phonolist-digest at yahoogroups.com > mailto:phonolist-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > phonolist-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Thu Jul 23 19:00:31 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] [phonolist] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1598862395.3001751248400831669.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Here is the owners response to my polite heads up. I am not sure what you mean by a "heads up." Assuming you are right, which I am fine with since I don't know what it is, are you suggesting that I have misrepresented the piece? The description clearly states that I do not know and am only going on fragments of information from similar items, so I hope that is clear to all. I mean, when I honestly say I have limited knowledge and it may or may not be what I have found in an amateur search, I'm not sure what sort of heads up I need about it. Bidding seems very strong so far, so all I can say is that you must know something that neither I nor others seem so know. If any cobbling was done, it sure looks to me that it would have been done in the early twentieth century, and I have a very good knowledge of what recently screwed with antiques look like. The cabinet seems very clean, but it also has tell-tale signs of age in the right spots. I appreciate the opinion and I certainly hope that you will NOT bid given your view, and I will save this email to that effect just in case. Defintely no offense taken for asking what you thought about the piece--that would be silly. I have no reason to doubt your expertise. Anyway, we'll see what the "crapophone" does, I guess. I'm happy to help with any specific questions you or other have in the meantime. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanKj" To: phonolist at yahoogroups.com, "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:31:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? Utter CRAPophone, yep ! Love the phillips screws on the fake name plate & the Home Depot copper elbow. egads. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Phonolist" ; "Phono-L" Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:10 PM Subject: [phonolist] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123 > > > What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a > Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows up > in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round > Identifying plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used > the Oxford name for its machines and records until a few years later. Also > look at the name on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at > some sort of weird Craponola here?? > > Bruce >> mailto:phonolist-digest at yahoogroups.com > mailto:phonolist-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > phonolist-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 19:10:02 2009 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:10:02 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? In-Reply-To: <1673000395.2974801248394237612.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1673000395.2974801248394237612.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4a691806.15528c0a.1225.ffff9643@mx.google.com> Well, the Phillips type screws are pretty much a giveaway, is my guess -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78rpm at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:11 PM To: Phonolist; Phono-L Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=A DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows up in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round Identifying plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used the Oxford name for its machines and records until a few years later. Also look at the name on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at some sort of weird Craponola here?? Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 18:00:00 From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Thu Jul 23 19:23:10 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:23:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? In-Reply-To: <4a691806.15528c0a.1225.ffff9643@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1193515665.3006521248402190097.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Am I assuming correctly that someone even fabricated that name plate claiming a patent date in 1904? or was that lifted from an actual Oxford Jr.? No on 2nd thought it couldn't be real since the Oxford line did not replace Harvard until a few years later. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Horenstein" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:10:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? Well, the Phillips type screws are pretty much a giveaway, is my guess -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78rpm at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:11 PM To: Phonolist; Phono-L Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=A DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows up in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round Identifying plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used the Oxford name for its machines and records until a few years later. Also look at the name on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at some sort of weird Craponola here?? Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 18:00:00 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Thu Jul 23 19:17:36 2009 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:17:36 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? In-Reply-To: <1673000395.2974801248394237612.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1673000395.2974801248394237612.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <5D1C3A8B6BC94C80ADC03BD44C765E06@ronlherault> Looks like a frankenphono to me. It might have an old motor. Look at the center spindle with a slot in it. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78rpm at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:11 PM To: Phonolist; Phono-L Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=A DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows up in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round Identifying plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used the Oxford name for its machines and records until a few years later. Also look at the name on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at some sort of weird Craponola here?? Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From edisone1 at verizon.net Thu Jul 23 20:54:24 2009 From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:54:24 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? References: <1193515665.3006521248402190097.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <6005F3CBFE7A4FBB8E898E5EBB291FBA@moms> It's a fake patent date, too. Patents are issued on Tuesdays, but Dec 10 1904 was a Saturday. Dec 6, yes - Dec 10, nope. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > Am I assuming correctly that someone even fabricated that name plate > claiming a patent date in 1904? or was that lifted from an actual Oxford > Jr.? No on 2nd thought it couldn't be real since the Oxford line did not > replace Harvard until a few years later. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Horenstein" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:10:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > > Well, the Phillips type screws are pretty much a giveaway, is my guess > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] > On > Behalf Of bruce78rpm at comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:11 PM > To: Phonolist; Phono-L > Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=A > DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 > > > What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a > Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows up > in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round > Identifying > plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used the Oxford > name > for its machines and records until a few years later. Also look at the > name > on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at some sort of > weird > Craponola here?? > > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 > 18:00:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rvuill at comcast.net Fri Jul 24 04:04:16 2009 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:04:16 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? References: <1193515665.3006521248402190097.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <6005F3CBFE7A4FBB8E898E5EBB291FBA@moms> Message-ID: If you notice the whole mechanism is much later than 1904. I think it was lifted intact from a portable and put in this case. I think the patent tag was added to cover up the original crank hole. Also the horn looks out of place. I suspect it is a repro witches hat horn for a cylinder machine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanKj" To: "Antique Phonograph List" ; Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > It's a fake patent date, too. Patents are issued on Tuesdays, but Dec 10 > 1904 was a Saturday. Dec 6, yes - Dec 10, nope. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > > >> Am I assuming correctly that someone even fabricated that name plate >> claiming a patent date in 1904? or was that lifted from an actual Oxford >> Jr.? No on 2nd thought it couldn't be real since the Oxford line did not >> replace Harvard until a few years later. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jay Horenstein" >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:10:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? >> >> Well, the Phillips type screws are pretty much a giveaway, is my guess >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] >> On >> Behalf Of bruce78rpm at comcast.net >> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:11 PM >> To: Phonolist; Phono-L >> Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=A >> DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 >> >> >> What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a >> Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows >> up >> in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round >> Identifying >> plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used the Oxford >> name >> for its machines and records until a few years later. Also look at the >> name >> on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at some sort of >> weird >> Craponola here?? >> >> Bruce >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: >> 07/23/09 >> 18:00:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.25/2256 - Release Date: 07/23/09 06:02:00 From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 08:00:33 2009 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:00:33 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? In-Reply-To: References: <1193515665.3006521248402190097.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <6005F3CBFE7A4FBB8E898E5EBB291FBA@moms> Message-ID: <4a69cc9e.0e538c0a.6968.0109@mx.google.com> Well the seller is certainly on the mark when he describes this machine as a "rare bird". I'm almost certain that the lucky winner will be getting themselves a ONE OF A KIND machine. I think I should snap this piece of c**p right up. With all the time, discussion, and scrutinizing, and interest we've put into this thing, it would probably be the most talked about addition to any ones collection. I'M SOLD! -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 4:04 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? If you notice the whole mechanism is much later than 1904. I think it was lifted intact from a portable and put in this case. I think the patent tag was added to cover up the original crank hole. Also the horn looks out of place. I suspect it is a repro witches hat horn for a cylinder machine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanKj" To: "Antique Phonograph List" ; Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > It's a fake patent date, too. Patents are issued on Tuesdays, but Dec 10 > 1904 was a Saturday. Dec 6, yes - Dec 10, nope. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > > >> Am I assuming correctly that someone even fabricated that name plate >> claiming a patent date in 1904? or was that lifted from an actual Oxford >> Jr.? No on 2nd thought it couldn't be real since the Oxford line did not >> replace Harvard until a few years later. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jay Horenstein" >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:10:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? >> >> Well, the Phillips type screws are pretty much a giveaway, is my guess >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] >> On >> Behalf Of bruce78rpm at comcast.net >> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:11 PM >> To: Phonolist; Phono-L >> Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=A >> DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 >> >> >> What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a >> Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows >> up >> in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round >> Identifying >> plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used the Oxford >> name >> for its machines and records until a few years later. Also look at the >> name >> on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at some sort of >> weird >> Craponola here?? >> >> Bruce >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: >> 07/23/09 >> 18:00:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.25/2256 - Release Date: 07/23/09 06:02:00 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 18:00:00 From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Fri Jul 24 08:17:18 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Fraken Oxford jr. Craponola bidding Message-ID: <2073432854.3111011248448638034.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> wow, despite the obivous "Crapophone Qualities" of this deluxe Sears Frankenphone, there seems to be a strange amount of interest and bids that are driving the price up. Could there be some rare part cobbled on to it that someone has spotted or is it just some unsuspecting newbies who have taken the bait? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=A Bruce From john9ten at pacbell.net Fri Jul 24 08:37:36 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:37:36 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? In-Reply-To: <4a69cc9e.0e538c0a.6968.0109@mx.google.com> References: <1193515665.3006521248402190097.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <6005F3CBFE7A4FBB8E898E5EBB291FBA@moms><4a69cc9e.0e538c0a.6968.0109@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1931914591-1248449850-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-424001564-@bxe1231.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> This board ought to star in a reality show called PhonoCops! John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Jay Horenstein" Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:00:33 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? Well the seller is certainly on the mark when he describes this machine as a "rare bird". I'm almost certain that the lucky winner will be getting themselves a ONE OF A KIND machine. I think I should snap this piece of c**p right up. With all the time, discussion, and scrutinizing, and interest we've put into this thing, it would probably be the most talked about addition to any ones collection. I'M SOLD! -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 4:04 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? If you notice the whole mechanism is much later than 1904. I think it was lifted intact from a portable and put in this case. I think the patent tag was added to cover up the original crank hole. Also the horn looks out of place. I suspect it is a repro witches hat horn for a cylinder machine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanKj" To: "Antique Phonograph List" ; Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > It's a fake patent date, too. Patents are issued on Tuesdays, but Dec 10 > 1904 was a Saturday. Dec 6, yes - Dec 10, nope. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > > >> Am I assuming correctly that someone even fabricated that name plate >> claiming a patent date in 1904? or was that lifted from an actual Oxford >> Jr.? No on 2nd thought it couldn't be real since the Oxford line did not >> replace Harvard until a few years later. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jay Horenstein" >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:10:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? >> >> Well, the Phillips type screws are pretty much a giveaway, is my guess >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] >> On >> Behalf Of bruce78rpm at comcast.net >> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:11 PM >> To: Phonolist; Phono-L >> Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=A >> DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 >> >> >> What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a >> Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows >> up >> in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round >> Identifying >> plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used the Oxford >> name >> for its machines and records until a few years later. Also look at the >> name >> on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at some sort of >> weird >> Craponola here?? >> >> Bruce >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: >> 07/23/09 >> 18:00:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.25/2256 - Release Date: 07/23/09 06:02:00 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 18:00:00 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From funks2 at comcast.net Fri Jul 24 08:32:49 2009 From: funks2 at comcast.net (michael and suellen funk) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:32:49 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Any comments on this one? Message-ID: Bacigalupi decal on phono? Is it real? See http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=110415772118 Suellen From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Fri Jul 24 08:53:52 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? In-Reply-To: <4a69cc9e.0e538c0a.6968.0109@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1301697381.3123071248450832085.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Congratulations on your new acquisition !! Perhaps you should bring it to the next Union show with you, and to the Sanfillippo Mansion for temporary display, I am sure it will be a supreme attention getter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Horenstein" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 11:00:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? Well the seller is certainly on the mark when he describes this machine as a "rare bird". I'm almost certain that the lucky winner will be getting themselves a ONE OF A KIND machine. I think I should snap this piece of c**p right up. With all the time, discussion, and scrutinizing, and interest we've put into this thing, it would probably be the most talked about addition to any ones collection. I'M SOLD! -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 4:04 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? If you notice the whole mechanism is much later than 1904. I think it was lifted intact from a portable and put in this case. I think the patent tag was added to cover up the original crank hole. Also the horn looks out of place. I suspect it is a repro witches hat horn for a cylinder machine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanKj" To: "Antique Phonograph List" ; Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > It's a fake patent date, too. Patents are issued on Tuesdays, but Dec 10 > 1904 was a Saturday. Dec 6, yes - Dec 10, nope. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > > >> Am I assuming correctly that someone even fabricated that name plate >> claiming a patent date in 1904? or was that lifted from an actual Oxford >> Jr.? No on 2nd thought it couldn't be real since the Oxford line did not >> replace Harvard until a few years later. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jay Horenstein" >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:10:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? >> >> Well, the Phillips type screws are pretty much a giveaway, is my guess >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] >> On >> Behalf Of bruce78rpm at comcast.net >> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:11 PM >> To: Phonolist; Phono-L >> Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=A >> DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 >> >> >> What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a >> Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows >> up >> in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round >> Identifying >> plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used the Oxford >> name >> for its machines and records until a few years later. Also look at the >> name >> on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at some sort of >> weird >> Craponola here?? >> >> Bruce >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: >> 07/23/09 >> 18:00:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.25/2256 - Release Date: 07/23/09 06:02:00 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 18:00:00 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From smstitt at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 08:55:19 2009 From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:55:19 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Fraken Oxford jr. Craponola bidding In-Reply-To: <2073432854.3111011248448638034.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <2073432854.3111011248448638034.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7e8e90ff0907240855n6b37efa7ucf152a68a05cdcd7@mail.gmail.com> Or shill biding? oldcranky On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:17 AM, wrote: > wow, despite the obivous "Crapophone Qualities" of this deluxe Sears > Frankenphone, there seems to be a strange amount of interest and bids that > are driving the price up. Could there be some rare part cobbled on to it > that someone has spotted or is it just some unsuspecting newbies who have > taken the bait? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=A > > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From kend at lemur.org Fri Jul 24 08:43:22 2009 From: kend at lemur.org (Ken Danckaert) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:43:22 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Any comments on this one? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It sure looks loke one that was sold on ebay awhile back. Ken On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:32 AM, michael and suellen funk < funks2 at comcast.net> wrote: > Bacigalupi decal on phono? > > Is it real? See http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > < > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item > =110415772118> > &ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=110415772118 > > Suellen > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From steve_noreen at msn.com Fri Jul 24 10:46:56 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:46:56 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? In-Reply-To: <4a691806.15528c0a.1225.ffff9643@mx.google.com> References: <1673000395.2974801248394237612.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4a691806.15528c0a.1225.ffff9643@mx.google.com> Message-ID: In the early 1930s, the Phillips head screw was invented by Henry Phillips. > From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:10:02 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > > Well, the Phillips type screws are pretty much a giveaway, is my guess > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of bruce78rpm at comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:11 PM > To: Phonolist; Phono-L > Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=A > DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 > > > What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a > Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows up > in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round Identifying > plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used the Oxford name > for its machines and records until a few years later. Also look at the name > on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at some sort of weird > Craponola here?? > > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 > 18:00:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Fri Jul 24 11:40:49 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Baby Phonograph Message-ID: <1755288568.3169441248460849581.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> http://cgi.ebay.com/WONDERFUL-ANTIQUE-CHILDS-23-INCH-BABY-PHONOGRAPH_W0QQitemZ290331991133QQcategoryZ1442QQcmdZViewItem I have seen a baby phonograph before, but never one in a case like this. Was the case after market or the maybe the brainchild of some handyman? Bruce From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 11:52:29 2009 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:52:29 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? In-Reply-To: References: <1673000395.2974801248394237612.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4a691806.15528c0a.1225.ffff9643@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a6a02fc.29578c0a.5eef.2930@mx.google.com> exactly -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:47 AM To: Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? In the early 1930s, the Phillips head screw was invented by Henry Phillips. > From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:10:02 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > > Well, the Phillips type screws are pretty much a giveaway, is my guess > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of bruce78rpm at comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:11 PM > To: Phonolist; Phono-L > Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=A > DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 > > > What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a > Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows up > in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round Identifying > plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used the Oxford name > for its machines and records until a few years later. Also look at the name > on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at some sort of weird > Craponola here?? > > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 > 18:00:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.27/2258 - Release Date: 07/24/09 05:58:00 From edisone1 at verizon.net Fri Jul 24 12:39:02 2009 From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:39:02 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] [phonolist] Baby Phonograph References: <1755288568.3169441248460849581.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <20090724151618.5d9ytv6f0fksw8oo@webmail.localnet.com> Message-ID: There was a "Baby Cabinet" model, but this isn't it. Here's one: http://jasantiques.com/product_details.php?id=00000048 Note that the ebay item has the soundbox on wrong - it's supposed to be for laterals . ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [phonolist] Baby Phonograph > Handyman special. The concept is nice but the handiwork is a little > rough. I bet it was painted originally, which would look nicer. > Eric Stott > > > Quoting bruce78rpm at comcast.net: > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/WONDERFUL-ANTIQUE-CHILDS-23-INCH-BABY-PHONOGRAPH_W0QQitemZ290331991133QQcategoryZ1442QQcmdZViewItem >> >> I have seen a baby phonograph before, but never one in a case like >> this. Was the case after market or the maybe the brainchild of some >> handyman? >> >> Bruce From john9ten at pacbell.net Fri Jul 24 14:41:19 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten at pacbell.net) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:41:19 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? In-Reply-To: <4a6a02fc.29578c0a.5eef.2930@mx.google.com> References: <1673000395.2974801248394237612.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4a691806.15528c0a.1225.ffff9643@mx.google.com><4a6a02fc.29578c0a.5eef.2930@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <406728472-1248471673-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1152116725-@bxe1231.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> And who invented te pan head screw? Peter Pan!! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Jay Horenstein" Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:52:29 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? exactly -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:47 AM To: Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? In the early 1930s, the Phillips head screw was invented by Henry Phillips. > From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:10:02 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > > Well, the Phillips type screws are pretty much a giveaway, is my guess > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of bruce78rpm at comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:11 PM > To: Phonolist; Phono-L > Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=A > DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 > > > What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a > Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows up > in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round Identifying > plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used the Oxford name > for its machines and records until a few years later. Also look at the name > on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at some sort of weird > Craponola here?? > > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 > 18:00:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.27/2258 - Release Date: 07/24/09 05:58:00 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From TAEdisonJR at aol.com Fri Jul 24 20:36:04 2009 From: TAEdisonJR at aol.com (TAEdisonJR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:36:04 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Any comments on this one? Message-ID: Definitely real. I have one exactly like it except that mine has a Polyphone attachment. I also have a Columbia A with a Bacigalupi decal. I've seen the same decal on Homes and Concerts, and in fact I think one is illustrated in one of the Fabrizio/Paul books. Best regards, Rene Rondeau In a message dated 7/24/2009 9:07:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kend at lemur.org writes: It sure looks loke one that was sold on ebay awhile back. Ken On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:32 AM, michael and suellen funk < funks2 at comcast.net> wrote: > Bacigalupi decal on phono? > > Is it real? See http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > < > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item > =110415772118> > &ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=110415772118 > > Suellen > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377105x1201454426/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From deedeeblais at yahoo.com Sat Jul 25 10:23:08 2009 From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Thanks, all the Vic III parts have been sold. Message-ID: <658590.21947.qm@web37008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone, all my previously listed Vic III parts have been sold. Jerry Blais From ger55 at comcast.net Sat Jul 25 11:45:36 2009 From: ger55 at comcast.net (ger) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:45:36 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone Message-ID: <9CF9B7206179402C9FDC529EEC06C7D2@GER1> Hi, Does anyone know where or from whom I can obtain the signboard for a Hexaphone? New or repro. Thanks Ger From steve_noreen at msn.com Sat Jul 25 14:44:24 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:44:24 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Record? Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=110413626030 From vicdoc160 at stny.rr.com Sun Jul 26 08:51:53 2009 From: vicdoc160 at stny.rr.com (Bobby) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:51:53 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] edison triumph case parts needed Message-ID: <68A6FE66315344898EBDED2A796B59C1@Home> I am in need of 2 corners from the raised panel case, also a lid handle. Thanks Bob vicdoc160 at stny.rr.com From john9ten at pacbell.net Sun Jul 26 18:08:46 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Mistake on Shackleton price Message-ID: <555072.89517.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All I made a mistake when I said I had sold the Shackleton cylinder for $700. It was actually $1400. When it sold we split the cost and $700 was my share. Some of you may have been thinkning $700 was not very much for it to have sold for! It had original box and label and was in mint condition. It was part of a lot of records that I bought with a friend, unsorted, When we found that one, it was very exciting! There is still alot of good stuff out there, just harder to find! John Robles From Aph4990 at aol.com Sun Jul 26 18:56:51 2009 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:56:51 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Mistake on Shackleton price Message-ID: In a message dated 7/26/09 7:09:37 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, john9ten at pacbell.net writes: Hi All I made a mistake when I said I had sold the Shackleton cylinder for $700. It was actually $1400. When it sold we split the cost and $700 was my share. Some of you may have been thinkning $700 was not very much for it to have sold for! It had original box and label and was in mint condition. It was part of a lot of records that I bought with a friend, unsorted, When we found that one, it was very exciting! There is still alot of good stuff out there, just harder to find! John Robles Wow. That was a hefty price for such a fragile record. I actually was given the Shackelton record by a collector in New Zealand a few years ago. It had a crack and he was understandably afraid to send it for repair to Mike Khanchalian. He wouldn't take ANY money for it and so I brought it home in my carryon luggage. I sent it to Mike and he repaired it for $350 which was probably less than he should have charged. I picked it up at Union and he had actually made a CD of the recording which he gave me. I got as far as Chicago, showed it carefully to a friend, and it promptly exploded into a hundred irreparable pieces. I have the pieces stored in the original box with original top. Maybe I should freeze it and a hundred years from now someone will figure out how to bring it back to life!! In any case, I'm not investing in any more wax Amberols--even if I get them for free! ---Art Heller **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From john9ten at pacbell.net Sun Jul 26 19:41:59 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Mistake on Shackleton price Message-ID: <412937.82335.qm@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> OUCH!!!! I was once able to supply a good friend with a 2 minute record he had been searching for over several years. I shipped it off, well packed, and he carefully opened?the box, took out the cylinder and opened it upside down and it crashed onto his desk in several pieces. I think that hurt me as much as it did him! As for my own misfortune..I once had a home recording on brown wax of a family saying new year's greetings into the phonograph on December 31, 1899. I dropped it. End of story. John --- On Sun, 7/26/09, Aph4990 at aol.com wrote: From: Aph4990 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mistake on Shackleton price To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 6:56 PM In a message dated 7/26/09 7:09:37 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,? john9ten at pacbell.net writes: Hi? All I made a mistake when I said I had sold the Shackleton cylinder for? $700. It was actually $1400. When it sold we split the cost and $700 was my? share. Some of you may have been thinkning $700 was not very much for it to? have sold for! It had original box and label and was in mint condition. It? was part of a lot of records that I bought with a friend, unsorted, When we? found that one, it was very exciting! There is still alot of good stuff out? there, just harder to find! John Robles Wow.? That was a hefty price for such a fragile? record.? I actually was given the Shackelton record by a collector in New? Zealand a few years ago.? It had a crack and he was understandably afraid? to send it for repair to Mike Khanchalian.? He wouldn't take ANY money for? it and so I brought it home in my carryon luggage.? I sent it to Mike and? he repaired it for $350 which was probably less than he should have? charged.? I picked it up at Union and he had actually made a CD of the? recording which he gave me.? I got as far as Chicago, showed it carefully? to a friend, and it promptly exploded into a hundred irreparable pieces.? I? have the pieces stored in the original box with original top.? Maybe I? should freeze it and a hundred years from now someone will figure? out how to bring it back to life!! In any case, I'm not investing in any more wax Amberols--even? if I get them for free! ---Art Heller **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jackwhelan at hotmail.com Mon Jul 27 05:52:55 2009 From: jackwhelan at hotmail.com (Jack Whelan) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:52:55 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Prototyping Phonograph Parts and Records In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gang, This is a little bit off topic, but.... Art, yours is an interesting problem, all those broken pieces of an expensive cylinder record pieces and whether you should freeze and store them for a hundred years waiting for technology to develop a solution. You might not have to wait the hundred years, in fact "we have the technology". The basic technology, rapid prototyping allows engineers to develop prototypes or in some cases replacement parts using new CAD/CAM and other software tools in conjunction with Computer Numerically Controlled (CNC) machines, much like an automated lathe that can manufacture parts. New High Definition (HD) technology can easily handle reproducing the fine hill and dale grooves of a 4 minute cylinder record. There are several US companies developing this technology, for example https://www.nextengine.com/ There is a prototype version of software called Humpty Dumpty that can scan broken pieces and digitally reassemble them prior to sending the images to this next generation CNC tool. Actually, some dentists that use state-of-the-art technology can make a new bridge or other dental prosthesis, on demand in his/her office. I'm trying to convince mine that I need just one small phono part, no larger than the size of a 12 year molar. :-) So where does this technology take us? Will the near-future generation faithfully reproduce presently expensive records giving us an ample supply which could cause prices to plummet? Will we soon have a lower cost, greater supply of popular phonograph parts. Jay Leno can afford one of these machines today. His engineering machanics make some rare parts on demand. Interesting video at: http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=944641 Have fun, Jack > From: Aph4990 at aol.com > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:56:51 -0400 > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mistake on Shackleton price > > > In a message dated 7/26/09 7:09:37 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > john9ten at pacbell.net writes: > > Hi All > I made a mistake when I said I had sold the Shackleton cylinder for $700. > It was actually $1400. When it sold we split the cost and $700 was my > share. Some of you may have been thinkning $700 was not very much for it to have > sold for! It had original box and label and was in mint condition. > It was part of a lot of records that I bought with a friend, unsorted, > When we found that one, it was very exciting! There is still alot of good > stuff out there, just harder to find! > John Robles > > > Wow. That was a hefty price for such a fragile record. I actually was > given the Shackelton record by a collector in New Zealand a few years ago. > It had a crack and he was understandably afraid to send it for repair to > Mike Khanchalian. He wouldn't take ANY money for it and so I brought it home > in my carryon luggage. I sent it to Mike and he repaired it for $350 which > was probably less than he should have charged. I picked it up at Union > and he had actually made a CD of the recording which he gave me. I got as > far as Chicago, showed it carefully to a friend, and it promptly exploded > into a hundred irreparable pieces. I have the pieces stored in the original > box with original top. Maybe I should freeze it and a hundred years from > now someone will figure out how to bring it back to life!! > In any case, I'm not investing in any more wax Amberols--even if I get > them for free! > ---Art Heller > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd > =JulystepsfooterNO115) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports From marioaf at optusnet.com.au Mon Jul 27 14:39:55 2009 From: marioaf at optusnet.com.au (Mario Frazzetto) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:39:55 +0200 Subject: [Phono-L] re Visit to the USA (LA and NYC) Message-ID: <4A6E1EAB.5050206@optusnet.com.au> Hi Phono Folks, I'll be in the USA this September! It will be my first visit, but hopefully not the last (Only in the USA for 8 days and lots to see!). A couple of questions: 1. I'm staying in Midtown Manhattan whilst in NYC, any collectors nearby? (21st - 24th sept) 2. I'm staying in Downtown LA whilst there any collectors nearby? (24th - 28th sept) 3. I remember reading about a shop that sells Phonographs in NYC. Are they still around? Cheers, Mario From lherault at bu.edu Mon Jul 27 07:14:54 2009 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:14:54 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Medium tone steel needles Message-ID: <003401ca0ec4$9cf6a870$73d6299b@ad.bu.edu> Several months ago, someone mentioned a source in the US for well made medium tone needles. I thought I kept the message but can't find it. If anyone remembers this source, would you please clue me in. Thanks, Ron L From Phonophan at aol.com Mon Jul 27 09:45:11 2009 From: Phonophan at aol.com (Phonophan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:45:11 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] re Visit to the USA (LA and NYC) Message-ID: Hi----- WAVES is the name of the phono shop in NYC. Bruce and Charlotte Mager run it. _Waves L.L.C._ (http://ny.apartmenttherapy.com/ny/vintage/waves-llc-003253) 251 W. 30th Street New York, NY 10001 (212) 273-9616 _www.wavesllc.com_ (http://www.wavesllc.com) Unfortunately, I live about 7 hours from NYC, which makes it difficult to visit. Best of luck with your visit, Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) From wavesllc at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 10:31:53 2009 From: wavesllc at gmail.com (Charlotte Mager) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:31:53 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] re Visit to the USA (LA and NYC) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Waves is in a new location 40 W. 25 St Galleries 107 AND 216 in THE SHOWPLACE ANTIQUE CENTER Shop hour are Wed -Sun 11 - 5 by chance or appointment Mon & Tues. We will be closed Aug 9, 10 , & 11 On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:45 PM, wrote: > Hi----- WAVES is the name of the phono shop in NYC. Bruce and Charlotte > Mager run it. > > _Waves L.L.C._ (http://ny.apartmenttherapy.com/ny/vintage/waves-llc-003253 > ) > > > > 251 W. 30th Street > New York, NY 10001 > (212) 273-9616 > _www.wavesllc.com_ (http://www.wavesllc.com) > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I live about 7 hours from NYC, which makes it difficult to > visit. Best of luck with your visit, > > Tim Fabrizio > phonophan > PO Box 747 > Henrietta, NY 14467 > > TEL 585 582 1586 > FAX 585 582 2624 > Web site: www.phonophan.com > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > Steps! > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > yExcfooterNO62 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > -- NEW ADDRESS Showplace Antique Center 40 W. 25 St. # 216 & 107 NY NY 10010 t. 212-273-9616 NEW HOURS WED -SUN 11- 5 MON & TUES BY APPOINTMENT http://www.wavesllc.com From phonophan at aol.com Mon Jul 27 12:34:34 2009 From: phonophan at aol.com (phonophan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:34:34 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] re Visit to the USA (LA and NYC) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBDD08679C8754-11D0-48D@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com> SORRY--- There I go recommending the wrong address!!! A Freudian Psychologist would have a field day with that! Acting out of suppressed hostility, no doubt..........? TF -----Original Message----- From: Charlotte Mager To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] re Visit to the USA (LA and NYC) Waves is in a new location 40 W. 25 St Galleries 107 AND 216 in THE SHOWPLACE ANTIQUE CENTER Shop hour are Wed -Sun 11 - 5 by chance or appointment Mon & Tues. We will be closed Aug 9, 10 , & 11 On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:45 PM, wrote: > Hi----- WAVES is the name of the phono shop in NYC. Bruce and Charlotte > Mager run it. > > _Waves L.L.C._ (http://ny.apartmenttherapy.com/ny/vintage/waves-llc-003253 > ) > > > > 251 W. 30th Street > New York, NY 10001 > (212) 273-9616 > _www.wavesllc.com_ (http://www.wavesllc.com) > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I live about 7 hours from NYC, which makes it difficult to > visit. Best of luck with your visit, > > Tim Fabrizio > phonophan > PO Box 747 > Henrietta, NY 14467 > > TEL 585 582 1586 > FAX 585 582 2624 > Web site: www.phonophan.com > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > Steps! > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > yExcfooterNO62 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > -- NEW ADDRESS Showplace Antique Center 40 W. 25 St. # 216 & 107 NY NY 10010 t. 212-273-9616 NEW HOURS WED -SUN 11- 5 MON & TUES BY APPOINTMENT http://www.wavesllc.com _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From wavesllc at gmail.com Mon Jul 27 13:11:37 2009 From: wavesllc at gmail.com (Charlotte Mager) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:11:37 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] re Visit to the USA (LA and NYC) In-Reply-To: <8CBDD08679C8754-11D0-48D@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBDD08679C8754-11D0-48D@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Tim, NP. I emailed that fellow and sent the info out on the phono list. He probably has no interest in making any purchases, most likely just wants to talk. Charlotte On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:34 PM, wrote: > > SORRY--- There I go recommending the wrong address!!! A Freudian > Psychologist would have a field day with that! Acting out of suppressed > hostility, no doubt..........? TF > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlotte Mager > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:31 pm > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] re Visit to the USA (LA and NYC) > > > > > > > > > > > Waves is in a new location 40 W. 25 St Galleries 107 AND 216 in THE > SHOWPLACE ANTIQUE CENTER > Shop hour are Wed -Sun 11 - 5 by chance or appointment Mon & Tues. We > will > be closed Aug 9, 10 , & 11 > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:45 PM, wrote: > > > Hi----- WAVES is the name of the phono shop in NYC. Bruce and Charlotte > > Mager run it. > > > > _Waves L.L.C._ ( > http://ny.apartmenttherapy.com/ny/vintage/waves-llc-003253 > > ) > > > > > > > > 251 W. 30th Street > > New York, NY 10001 > > (212) 273-9616 > > _www.wavesllc.com_ (http://www.wavesllc.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I live about 7 hours from NYC, which makes it difficult to > > visit. Best of luck with your visit, > > > > Tim Fabrizio > > phonophan > > PO Box 747 > > Henrietta, NY 14467 > > > > TEL 585 582 1586 > > FAX 585 582 2624 > > Web site: www.phonophan.com > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > > Steps! > > ( > > > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > > yExcfooterNO62< > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul%0AyExcfooterNO62 > > > > ) > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > -- > NEW ADDRESS > Showplace Antique Center > 40 W. 25 St. # 216 & 107 > NY NY 10010 > t. 212-273-9616 > NEW HOURS WED -SUN 11- 5 > MON & TUES BY APPOINTMENT > http://www.wavesllc.com > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > -- NEW ADDRESS Showplace Antique Center 40 W. 25 St. # 216 & 107 NY NY 10010 t. 212-273-9616 NEW HOURS WED -SUN 11- 5 MON & TUES BY APPOINTMENT http://www.wavesllc.com From mgraziano1 at o-lite.com Mon Jul 27 14:45:23 2009 From: mgraziano1 at o-lite.com (Michael Graziano) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:45:23 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] re Visit to the USA (LA and NYC) In-Reply-To: <4A6E1EAB.5050206@optusnet.com.au> References: <4A6E1EAB.5050206@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <5AD5A9023976459A9B595C15F29692DE@Archimedes> Hi Mario (and everyone else) I attached a list of my favorite places to eat and visit in NYC. I grew up there, and moved away about 5 years ago. The list might be a bit dated. 1) Peter Luger?s steakhouse in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. This is truly the best steak to be eaten in NY. They have their own custom sauce that is known throughout the world. 2) Patsy Grimaldi?s Pizza: at the foot of the Brooklyn Bridge in Bklyn. Voted one of the best brick oven pies in the city. It?s easiest to take a cab from midtown, just over the Brooklyn Bridge, and down to the restaurant. Take the # of the cab company to call for a pick-up. 3) Churrascaria Plataforma: An outstanding Brazilian restaurant that offers all you can eat food, delivered by tuxedo?ed waiters bearing skewers of meats from turkey to brisket to salmon, Brazilian style. $40 per person, plus beverages. This is one of my favorite places. 4) Isabella?s Restaurant: 359 Columbus Ave at 77th St. 212-724-2100 A great place with good food, especially brunch. Frequented by Hollywood stars when in town (we?ve seen Steve Martin, and a few other stars over the years). >From NY Metro.com: Isabella's is about as see-and-be-seen as the relatively unpretentious Upper West Side gets. The airy bi-level space is perfect for people watching, as is the patio, where diners overlook the Museum of Natural History while picking at dishes from a Mediterranean-tinged menu. Filling homemade pastas, like the seasonal dessert-y pumpkin ravioli in brown butter sauce, and lighter fare, but skip the talked-up but ultimately mediocre brunch if you?re hungry for more than an eyeful. ? Gabriella Gershenson 5) Puglia Ristorante 189 Hester St. in Little Italy. Unlimited food (they just keep bringing food until you tell them to stop). A great little Italian place. 6) Paesano of Mulberry Street 136 Mulberry St. also a great place 7) Carmine?s Family Style Italian on 42^nd (maybe 44^th ). Great great food, but the wait can be long depending on when you go. 8) Baltazar - 80 Spring Street (between Broadway & Crosby Street) - Somewhat trendy because of its Soho location, however Baltazar delivers an authentic Parisian Brasserie atmosphere. Good food and service make it all the more worthwhile. See what celebrities you can spot. 9) Byblos Restaurant - 200 E 39th St (Corner of 3rd Ave) Phone: (212) 687-0808 A great Lebanese place. Their quail is the best I?ve ever tasted. They usually have a belly dancer on Friday or Saturday nights (call to find out). It?s not risqu?. It?s fine for a family. 10) Dawat ? For the best Indian food you?ll ever taste. 210 E58th St New York (NY) Phone: (212) 355 7555. In the shadow of the 59th street bridge (from the Simon And Garfunkle song). While downtown, go to Century 21 discount store. Name brand products at closeout prices. It?s a NYC secret. Best Regards, Mike Michael Graziano, Owner The Home Retreat 249 West 2nd St Austin, TX 78701 512-391-0330(T) 512-391-0332(F) -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mario Frazzetto Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:40 PM To: Phono-L; Phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] re Visit to the USA (LA and NYC) Hi Phono Folks, I'll be in the USA this September! It will be my first visit, but hopefully not the last (Only in the USA for 8 days and lots to see!). A couple of questions: 1. I'm staying in Midtown Manhattan whilst in NYC, any collectors nearby? (21st - 24th sept) 2. I'm staying in Downtown LA whilst there any collectors nearby? (24th - 28th sept) 3. I remember reading about a shop that sells Phonographs in NYC. Are they still around? Cheers, Mario _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From kbab1 at charter.net Mon Jul 27 16:47:44 2009 From: kbab1 at charter.net (Ken and Brenda Brekke) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:47:44 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Herzog cabinet grill pictures Message-ID: I am in the process of restoring a Herzog cabinet like the one on the cover of "Gadgets and Gizzmos" What I need is a good picture of a grill with a rose design. I have some pictures of other styles of grills but not with roses. If anyone can send me a picture, I would greatly appreciate it. My email is kbab1 at charter.net Thanks!!!!!! From maffit2 at bresnan.net Mon Jul 27 19:37:05 2009 From: maffit2 at bresnan.net (Bob Maffit) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:37:05 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] W. H. Taft cylinder question Message-ID: <002d01ca0f2c$4cd007c0$e6701740$@net> Listers: I bought 25 Edison 2 min cylinders today, and included in the lot, wher some W H Taft cylinders. I am wondering how many cylinders he recorded. I have 4: 9996, 9997, 9999, and 10001. It looks like at least 6 were done, if not more. I most likely will be getting rid of them, what is the going price for them. I do realize condition and such. I would guess these are in vg condition. Not sure. Any comments would be welcomed. Thanks Bob From KEEPERH2O at aol.com Mon Jul 27 21:52:48 2009 From: KEEPERH2O at aol.com (KEEPERH2O at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:52:48 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] HMV Slots Message-ID: In a message dated 7/22/2009 1:42:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, maxbud12 at wowway.com writes: The slots are to store Tungs-tone needle tins vertically. If the hole has a flat bottom it indeed where the used needle receiver goes. If rounded, it's to be filled with fresh steel needles. Usually the slots have a metal trim piece around them. Bruce Bruce, Thanks for your reply! The slots don't have any metal trim. Perhaps it is available somewhere? I have a Victor Tungstone tin and will try it out to see if it fits. Does anyone reading this have an HMV - 163? I'd love to see a picture of the side of the motorboard with the needle receptacles, to know what I'm looking for. Since the waste-needle cup is missing from this machine and there are the empty slots in the wood on either side I suspect there's a single unit that fits into the space. All the Best, : ) Edward **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From marioaf at optusnet.com.au Tue Jul 28 11:42:34 2009 From: marioaf at optusnet.com.au (Mario Frazzetto) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:42:34 +0200 Subject: [Phono-L] re Visit to the USA (LA and NYC) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A6F469A.9050109@optusnet.com.au> Hi All, Many thanks to all those who repied with the information regarding "Waves" I'll definitely try to get there! (Darn limited time I'm a teacher and am trying to fit in a quick trip during the 2 week mid semester break). Again thanks for the replies! Cheers, Mario Charlotte Mager wrote: > Waves is in a new location 40 W. 25 St Galleries 107 AND 216 in THE > SHOWPLACE ANTIQUE CENTER > Shop hour are Wed -Sun 11 - 5 by chance or appointment Mon & Tues. We will > be closed Aug 9, 10 , & 11 > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:45 PM, wrote: > > >> Hi----- WAVES is the name of the phono shop in NYC. Bruce and Charlotte >> Mager run it. >> >> _Waves L.L.C._ (http://ny.apartmenttherapy.com/ny/vintage/waves-llc-003253 >> ) >> >> >> >> 251 W. 30th Street >> New York, NY 10001 >> (212) 273-9616 >> _www.wavesllc.com_ (http://www.wavesllc.com) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Unfortunately, I live about 7 hours from NYC, which makes it difficult to >> visit. Best of luck with your visit, >> >> Tim Fabrizio >> phonophan >> PO Box 747 >> Henrietta, NY 14467 >> >> TEL 585 582 1586 >> FAX 585 582 2624 >> Web site: www.phonophan.com >> **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy >> Steps! >> ( >> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul >> yExcfooterNO62 >> ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > > > > From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Tue Jul 28 05:04:09 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone Message-ID: <549539586.3874681248782649144.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT This will undoubtedly set the record so far this year for the highest price paid for a Frankenphone piece of Crap to be sold on Ebay, or probably anywhere else for that matter. From AllenAmet at aol.com Tue Jul 28 09:05:28 2009 From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:05:28 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] W. H. Taft cylinder question Message-ID: In a message dated 7/27/2009 11:08:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maffit2 at bresnan.net writes: I bought 25 Edison 2 min cylinders today, and included in the lot, were some W H Taft cylinders. I am wondering how many cylinders he recorded. I have 4: 9996, 9997, 9999, and 10001. It looks like at least 6 were done, if not more. ---------------- All the Taft and Bryan debate cylinders are listed and dated in 'ECR, 1889-1912.' allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) From nipper27 at comcast.net Tue Jul 28 09:42:36 2009 From: nipper27 at comcast.net (Nipper) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:42:36 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for A Victor V machagony Message-ID: <277DA8A02DD549ABB7EE567945658C70@NickPC> If anyone has a Victor V in mahogany they are interested in selling in original condition, with a wood horn please email me. (nipper27 at comast.net) Nipper From phonolist at mac.com Tue Jul 28 10:01:03 2009 From: phonolist at mac.com (RBaumbach) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:01:03 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] HMV Slots In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I used to own an HMV 163, and have attached a photo of the area that you are interested in. -------------- ATTACHMENT -------------- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: HMV-163-Needle-Cups.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 61860 bytes URL: -------------- ATTACHMENT -------------- On MondayJuly 27, 2009, at 9:52 PM, KEEPERH2O at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/22/2009 1:42:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > maxbud12 at wowway.com writes: > > The slots are to store Tungs-tone needle tins vertically. If the > hole has > a > flat bottom it indeed where the used needle receiver goes. If rounded, > it's > to be filled with fresh steel needles. Usually the slots have a > metal trim > piece around them. > Bruce > > > > Bruce, Thanks for your reply! The slots don't have any metal trim. > Perhaps it is available somewhere? I have a Victor Tungstone tin > and will try > it out to see if it fits. > > Does anyone reading this have an HMV - 163? I'd love to see a > picture of > the side of the motorboard with the needle receptacles, to know what > I'm > looking for. Since the waste-needle cup is missing from this > machine and > there are the empty slots in the wood on either side I suspect > there's a > single unit that fits into the space. > > All the Best, > > : ) > > Edward > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just > 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx > ?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd > =JulystepsfooterNO115) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From phonofolks at aol.com Tue Jul 28 10:12:52 2009 From: phonofolks at aol.com (phonofolks at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:12:52 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] re Visit to the USA (LA and NYC) In-Reply-To: <4A6F469A.9050109@optusnet.com.au> References: <4A6F469A.9050109@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <8CBDDBDC67A60BB-167C-13E9@webmail-da17.sysops.aol.com> Mario: If you rent a car then you can travel and visit several collectors and dealers in New York and New Jersey rick -----Original Message----- From: Mario Frazzetto To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] re Visit to the USA (LA and NYC) Hi All,? ? Many thanks to all those who repied with the information regarding "Waves" I'll definitely try to get there! (Darn limited time I'm a teacher and am trying to fit in a quick trip during the 2 week mid semester break).? ? Again thanks for the replies!? ? Cheers,? Mario? ? ? ? Charlotte Mager wrote:? > Waves is in a new location 40 W. 25 St Galleries 107 AND 216 in THE? > SHOWPLACE ANTIQUE CENTER? > Shop hour are Wed -Sun 11 - 5 by chance or appointment Mon & Tues. We will? > be closed Aug 9, 10 , & 11? >? > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:45 PM, wrote:? >? > >> Hi----- WAVES is the name of the phono shop in NYC. Bruce and Charlotte? >> Mager run it.? >>? >> _Waves L.L.C._ (http://ny.apartmenttherapy.com/ny/vintage/waves-llc-003253? >> )? >>? >>? >>? >> 251 W. 30th Street? >> New York, NY 10001? >> (212) 273-9616? >> _www.wavesllc.com_ (http://www.wavesllc.com)? >>? >>? >>? >>? >>? >>? >>? >>? >> Unfortunately, I live about 7 hours from NYC, which makes it difficult to? >> visit. Best of luck with your visit,? >>? >> Tim Fabrizio? >> phonophan? >> PO Box 747? >> Henrietta, NY 14467? >>? >> TEL 585 582 1586? >> FAX 585 582 2624? >> Web site: www.phonophan.com? >> **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy? >> Steps!? >> (? >> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul? >> yExcfooterNO62? >> )? >> _______________________________________________? >> Phono-L mailing list? >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org? >>? >> >? >? >? > ? _______________________________________________? Phono-L mailing list? http://phono-l.oldcrank.org? From AllenAmet at aol.com Tue Jul 28 10:28:25 2009 From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:28:25 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Bettini? Message-ID: Hi, Are there any Bettini Speed-Indicators (No. 2) out there? They usually give a read-out of 120 rpm, for brown wax cylinders. Allen From rvuill at comcast.net Tue Jul 28 11:21:24 2009 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:21:24 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear References: <373081E346314B369846BF1DCF87E976@your4dacd0ea75> <4A3E60A4.3080902@octoxol.com><81F0CD3BE0EA4274AD8B008F1BFA2AB5@your4dacd0ea75> <4A3E87DB.3030709@octoxol.com><1CDB3A5005A446C3B5F21A95A414A07C@your4dacd0ea75> <4A40149E.4060108@octoxol.com><44945F0BE8B44896BB5F5D14E34BE73F@your4dacd0ea75> <4A4FD753.1060903@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <81FD2F6642DE4E209EF5A4FDD0CDF0B8@your4dacd0ea75> Hi Rich, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that I successfully repaired the fiber gear. I cleaned it first with clock cleaning solution and acetone. When I was sure all the old grease had been removed, I built up the damaged teeth with JB Weld. This was a lot easier to do than I thought. The material can be worked to almost the correct shape before it sets up and then cleaned up with a Swiss pattern file after it hardens. I had it almost perfect after one try and after the second application I had the gear turning the worm in the governor perfectly. The bad news is that when I took it apart after the first test there was a fair amount of tension on the spring and it appears that I broke it when all the tension let go at once.Does any one know how to take the spring barrel apart? There's a cap on the end that extends down the side of the barrel about 3/8". I'm assuming that if I have the gear with the spring arbor on it in the barrel I can bang on the end with a hammer and force the cap off. Does this sound correct? I don't want to mess it up again . If you know how to remove the cap, please advise. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear > Bob, > I used to know what those were made out of but right now its a blank. > The trick is to get the grease out of it so something will bond > properly. Once its clean I think I would use a thinned epoxy as a paint > to build it up and firm up what was left. Most products sold as epoxy > are polyester and that will not work. The easiest place to find the > real epoxy is a marina and acetone is the thinner for it. You can thin > it down so it can be brushed on. > > Bob wrote: >> Hi Rich, >> Well I thought it was fixed by replacing the felt but not so. The >> fiber gear is definitely stripped. I can still see the gear teeth so >> that if I can build it up with something I can file out the excess an >> hopefully have a useable gear. The question is what to use to build it >> up. I guess the first thing to do is clean off the gear completely so >> that whatever I use will stick. I assume I can remove all the grease >> with something like acetone. Do you know what the fiber gear is made >> from? This would help in deciding what to use. Two possible materials >> come to mind. The first is Weldwood wood filler. It looks a lot like >> the firer gear and could be worked easily with a small Swiss pattern >> file after it set up. I'm not sure if it will stick to the firer gear >> material or is strong enough to form the replacement teeth. The second >> possibility is a clear epoxy. The advantage to this is that the pattern >> of the original teeth will be visible through it and it will be easier >> to see how the teeth should be filed. Do you have any suggestions? >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >> >> >>> If you plan on using the machine a lot it will still help to change it >>> out. Once the felt gets oil soaked and the old oil oxidizes its pretty >>> much done. >>> >>> Good to hear that it worked out well! >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> Bob wrote: >>>> Hi Rich, >>>> Well you were right, the felt was the problem. It was quite >>>> distorted and hanging over the edge of the brass disk on the governor. >>>> . As the rest of the felt looked pretty good, I only had to reposition >>>> it in the arm that holds it and cut off the excess and reform the front >>>> so that it was parallel with the governor disk. Thanks for your help. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >>>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >>>> >>>> >>>>> Try and change the felt without spreading the bent metal that holds >>>>> it. >>>>> Usually you can cut a piece of real wool felt a bit tapered and pull >>>>> it into the clamp without bending them as they tend to break. Use >>>>> real >>>>> 100% wool felt or it will fail. >>>>> >>>>> Bob wrote: >>>>>> Hi Rich, >>>>>> The governor felt is pretty much as you described. I will change >>>>>> that first. If it's that easy I owe this list a Big Thank you. >>>>>> Bob >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >>>>>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:32 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Most of the older fiber gears are destroyed by petroleum. Clean >>>>>>> it off >>>>>>> and look at it real hard. Sanding is not going to fix it. look >>>>>>> at the >>>>>>> felt pad that the governor runs against if its oil soaked and mushed >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> the governor will flutter. Replace the felt. Use real felt and not >>>>>>> cheap polyester. F-1 or F-2 grade felt works. The felt is easy, >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> gear not so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob wrote: >>>>>>>> I'm restoring a Thorens Excelda. I've got it running pretty well >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> am having a severe problem with wow and flutter. It's so bad >>>>>>>> that it >>>>>>>> makes listening almost impossible. The records appear to be >>>>>>>> traveling at a consistent speed but there must be minute >>>>>>>> hesitations >>>>>>>> that are impossible to see but they surely affect the sound >>>>>>>> quality. >>>>>>>> The mainspring is plenty strong so that's not the problem and the >>>>>>>> reproducer sounds fantastic on other machines. The problem appears >>>>>>>> to be caused by excessive wear on the fiber gear that mates with >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> worm gear in the governor. A friend suggested I clean it and try >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> build up the bad areas with JB Weld. I'm afraid to do this >>>>>>>> because I >>>>>>>> think it will be very difficult to control and be irreversible if I >>>>>>>> do it wrong. I've been thinking about cleaning all the grease >>>>>>>> off of >>>>>>>> it and checking over for defects with a magnifier. If I can see >>>>>>>> areas in the gear thread that are raised I will smooth them out >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> sand paper. To try to build up an >>>>>>> y areas that look low I will paint on some lacquer or urethane >>>>>>> varnish. As I mentioned earlier, the turntable appears to be >>>>>>> rotating >>>>>>> at a consistent speed so It shouldn't take much to true up the teeth >>>>>>> enough to work properly. I'm looking for second opinions on this >>>>>>> technique or any other technique that you think will solve the >>>>>>> problem. Thanks >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: >>>>>> 06/21/09 05:53:00 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: >>>> 06/21/09 05:53:00 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: >> 06/22/09 06:54:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2217 - Release Date: 07/03/09 18:11:00 From victrola at triton.net Tue Jul 28 11:43:50 2009 From: victrola at triton.net (George) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:43:50 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear References: <373081E346314B369846BF1DCF87E976@your4dacd0ea75> <4A3E60A4.3080902@octoxol.com><81F0CD3BE0EA4274AD8B008F1BFA2AB5@your4dacd0ea75> <4A3E87DB.3030709@octoxol.com><1CDB3A5005A446C3B5F21A95A414A07C@your4dacd0ea75> <4A40149E.4060108@octoxol.com><44945F0BE8B44896BB5F5D14E34BE73F@your4dacd0ea75><4A4FD753.1060903@octoxol.com> <81FD2F6642DE4E209EF5A4FDD0CDF0B8@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <3A1582AFA54442EF9324B9E56AD60F6D@VALUEDCB7D4C82> Hi Bob I can't remeber for sure what one of these little barrels look like exactly. Based on your description tapping on the end of the shaft might pop the cover. Another method I've used on similar situations is a heavy brass rod ground down to a chisel edge. I place this at the edge of the cap and pound against the rod with a hammer, moving around the perimeter till it comes loose. Be careful if pounding directly on any shaft. Use only a plastic or soft faced hammer so as not to damage the end of shaft. A block of hard wood or aluminum will also work in a pinch. Great Lakes Antique Phonographs George Vollema From: Bob To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear Hi Rich, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that I successfully repaired the fiber gear. I cleaned it first with clock cleaning solution and acetone. When I was sure all the old grease had been removed, I built up the damaged teeth with JB Weld. This was a lot easier to do than I thought. The material can be worked to almost the correct shape before it sets up and then cleaned up with a Swiss pattern file after it hardens. I had it almost perfect after one try and after the second application I had the gear turning the worm in the governor perfectly. The bad news is that when I took it apart after the first test there was a fair amount of tension on the spring and it appears that I broke it when all the tension let go at once.Does any one know how to take the spring barrel apart? There's a cap on the end that extends down the side of the barrel about 3/8". I'm assuming that if I have the gear with the spring arbor on it in the barrel I can bang on the end with a hammer and force the cap off. Does this sound correct? I don't want to mess it up again . If you know how to remove the cap, please advise. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear > Bob, > I used to know what those were made out of but right now its a blank. > The trick is to get the grease out of it so something will bond > properly. Once its clean I think I would use a thinned epoxy as a paint > to build it up and firm up what was left. Most products sold as epoxy > are polyester and that will not work. The easiest place to find the > real epoxy is a marina and acetone is the thinner for it. You can thin > it down so it can be brushed on. > > Bob wrote: >> Hi Rich, >> Well I thought it was fixed by replacing the felt but not so. The >> fiber gear is definitely stripped. I can still see the gear teeth so >> that if I can build it up with something I can file out the excess an >> hopefully have a useable gear. The question is what to use to build it >> up. I guess the first thing to do is clean off the gear completely so >> that whatever I use will stick. I assume I can remove all the grease >> with something like acetone. Do you know what the fiber gear is made >> from? This would help in deciding what to use. Two possible materials >> come to mind. The first is Weldwood wood filler. It looks a lot like >> the firer gear and could be worked easily with a small Swiss pattern >> file after it set up. I'm not sure if it will stick to the firer gear >> material or is strong enough to form the replacement teeth. The second >> possibility is a clear epoxy. The advantage to this is that the pattern >> of the original teeth will be visible through it and it will be easier >> to see how the teeth should be filed. Do you have any suggestions? >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >> >> >>> If you plan on using the machine a lot it will still help to change it >>> out. Once the felt gets oil soaked and the old oil oxidizes its pretty >>> much done. >>> >>> Good to hear that it worked out well! >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> Bob wrote: >>>> Hi Rich, >>>> Well you were right, the felt was the problem. It was quite >>>> distorted and hanging over the edge of the brass disk on the governor. >>>> . As the rest of the felt looked pretty good, I only had to reposition >>>> it in the arm that holds it and cut off the excess and reform the front >>>> so that it was parallel with the governor disk. Thanks for your help. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >>>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >>>> >>>> >>>>> Try and change the felt without spreading the bent metal that holds >>>>> it. >>>>> Usually you can cut a piece of real wool felt a bit tapered and pull >>>>> it into the clamp without bending them as they tend to break. Use >>>>> real >>>>> 100% wool felt or it will fail. >>>>> >>>>> Bob wrote: >>>>>> Hi Rich, >>>>>> The governor felt is pretty much as you described. I will change >>>>>> that first. If it's that easy I owe this list a Big Thank you. >>>>>> Bob >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >>>>>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:32 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Most of the older fiber gears are destroyed by petroleum. Clean >>>>>>> it off >>>>>>> and look at it real hard. Sanding is not going to fix it. look >>>>>>> at the >>>>>>> felt pad that the governor runs against if its oil soaked and mushed >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> the governor will flutter. Replace the felt. Use real felt and not >>>>>>> cheap polyester. F-1 or F-2 grade felt works. The felt is easy, >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> gear not so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob wrote: >>>>>>>> I'm restoring a Thorens Excelda. I've got it running pretty well >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> am having a severe problem with wow and flutter. It's so bad >>>>>>>> that it >>>>>>>> makes listening almost impossible. The records appear to be >>>>>>>> traveling at a consistent speed but there must be minute >>>>>>>> hesitations >>>>>>>> that are impossible to see but they surely affect the sound >>>>>>>> quality. >>>>>>>> The mainspring is plenty strong so that's not the problem and the >>>>>>>> reproducer sounds fantastic on other machines. The problem appears >>>>>>>> to be caused by excessive wear on the fiber gear that mates with >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> worm gear in the governor. A friend suggested I clean it and try >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> build up the bad areas with JB Weld. I'm afraid to do this >>>>>>>> because I >>>>>>>> think it will be very difficult to control and be irreversible if I >>>>>>>> do it wrong. I've been thinking about cleaning all the grease >>>>>>>> off of >>>>>>>> it and checking over for defects with a magnifier. If I can see >>>>>>>> areas in the gear thread that are raised I will smooth them out >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> sand paper. To try to build up an >>>>>>> y areas that look low I will paint on some lacquer or urethane >>>>>>> varnish. As I mentioned earlier, the turntable appears to be >>>>>>> rotating >>>>>>> at a consistent speed so It shouldn't take much to true up the teeth >>>>>>> enough to work properly. I'm looking for second opinions on this >>>>>>> technique or any other technique that you think will solve the >>>>>>> problem. Thanks >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: >>>>>> 06/21/09 05:53:00 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: >>>> 06/21/09 05:53:00 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: >> 06/22/09 06:54:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2217 - Release Date: 07/03/09 18:11:00 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 13:18:57 2009 From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (William Buchanan) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone Message-ID: <788463.37341.qm@web57508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> It is a shame that so many people are bidding on this piece of trash. Although I must admit some of the parts look real, but that is a huge price to pay for some spare parts. Bill --- On Tue, 7/28/09, bruce78rpm at comcast.net wrote: From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone To: "Phono-L" Cc: "Phonolist" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:04 AM http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT This will undoubtedly set the record so far this year for the highest price paid for a Frankenphone piece of Crap to be sold on Ebay, or probably anywhere else for that matter. _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rich-mail at octoxol.com Tue Jul 28 13:38:11 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:38:11 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear In-Reply-To: <81FD2F6642DE4E209EF5A4FDD0CDF0B8@your4dacd0ea75> References: <373081E346314B369846BF1DCF87E976@your4dacd0ea75> <4A3E60A4.3080902@octoxol.com><81F0CD3BE0EA4274AD8B008F1BFA2AB5@your4dacd0ea75> <4A3E87DB.3030709@octoxol.com><1CDB3A5005A446C3B5F21A95A414A07C@your4dacd0ea75> <4A40149E.4060108@octoxol.com><44945F0BE8B44896BB5F5D14E34BE73F@your4dacd0ea75> <4A4FD753.1060903@octoxol.com> <81FD2F6642DE4E209EF5A4FDD0CDF0B8@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <4A6F61B3.3050204@octoxol.com> George has posted one way to get it off. It is probably a slip fit but it is stuck in place by carbonized oil and dirt. gently heating with a heat gun and using the brass rod would be my choice to get it off. If it turns out to be real tough soaking in one of those cans of carb cleaner from Berryman or Gunk for 3 or 4 days will cut the old crud out of the joint. Bob wrote: > Hi Rich, > I have good news and bad news. The good news is that I successfully > repaired the fiber gear. I cleaned it first with clock cleaning > solution and acetone. When I was sure all the old grease had been > removed, I built up the damaged teeth with JB Weld. This was a lot > easier to do than I thought. The material can be worked to almost the > correct shape before it sets up and then cleaned up with a Swiss pattern > file after it hardens. I had it almost perfect after one try and after > the second application I had the gear turning the worm in the governor > perfectly. The bad news is that when I took it apart after the first > test there was a fair amount of tension on the spring and it appears > that I broke it when all the tension let go at once.Does any one know > how to take the spring barrel apart? There's a cap on the end that > extends down the side of the barrel about 3/8". I'm assuming that if I > have the gear with the spring arbor on it in the barrel I can bang on > the end with a hammer and force the cap off. Does this sound correct? > I don't want to mess it up again . If you know how to remove the cap, > please advise. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear > > >> Bob, >> I used to know what those were made out of but right now its a blank. >> The trick is to get the grease out of it so something will bond >> properly. Once its clean I think I would use a thinned epoxy as a paint >> to build it up and firm up what was left. Most products sold as epoxy >> are polyester and that will not work. The easiest place to find the >> real epoxy is a marina and acetone is the thinner for it. You can thin >> it down so it can be brushed on. >> >> Bob wrote: >>> Hi Rich, >>> Well I thought it was fixed by replacing the felt but not so. The >>> fiber gear is definitely stripped. I can still see the gear teeth so >>> that if I can build it up with something I can file out the excess an >>> hopefully have a useable gear. The question is what to use to build it >>> up. I guess the first thing to do is clean off the gear completely so >>> that whatever I use will stick. I assume I can remove all the grease >>> with something like acetone. Do you know what the fiber gear is made >>> from? This would help in deciding what to use. Two possible materials >>> come to mind. The first is Weldwood wood filler. It looks a lot like >>> the firer gear and could be worked easily with a small Swiss pattern >>> file after it set up. I'm not sure if it will stick to the firer gear >>> material or is strong enough to form the replacement teeth. The second >>> possibility is a clear epoxy. The advantage to this is that the pattern >>> of the original teeth will be visible through it and it will be easier >>> to see how the teeth should be filed. Do you have any suggestions? >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >>> >>> >>>> If you plan on using the machine a lot it will still help to change it >>>> out. Once the felt gets oil soaked and the old oil oxidizes its pretty >>>> much done. >>>> >>>> Good to hear that it worked out well! >>>> >>>> Rich >>>> >>>> Bob wrote: >>>>> Hi Rich, >>>>> Well you were right, the felt was the problem. It was quite >>>>> distorted and hanging over the edge of the brass disk on the governor. >>>>> . As the rest of the felt looked pretty good, I only had to >>>>> reposition >>>>> it in the arm that holds it and cut off the excess and reform the >>>>> front >>>>> so that it was parallel with the governor disk. Thanks for your help. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >>>>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:19 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Try and change the felt without spreading the bent metal that >>>>>> holds it. >>>>>> Usually you can cut a piece of real wool felt a bit tapered and pull >>>>>> it into the clamp without bending them as they tend to break. Use >>>>>> real >>>>>> 100% wool felt or it will fail. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Rich, >>>>>>> The governor felt is pretty much as you described. I will >>>>>>> change >>>>>>> that first. If it's that easy I owe this list a Big Thank you. >>>>>>> Bob >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" >>>>>>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:32 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Repairing a fiber gear >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most of the older fiber gears are destroyed by petroleum. Clean >>>>>>>> it off >>>>>>>> and look at it real hard. Sanding is not going to fix it. look >>>>>>>> at the >>>>>>>> felt pad that the governor runs against if its oil soaked and >>>>>>>> mushed >>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>> the governor will flutter. Replace the felt. Use real felt and >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> cheap polyester. F-1 or F-2 grade felt works. The felt is >>>>>>>> easy, the >>>>>>>> gear not so. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bob wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm restoring a Thorens Excelda. I've got it running pretty well >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> am having a severe problem with wow and flutter. It's so bad >>>>>>>>> that it >>>>>>>>> makes listening almost impossible. The records appear to be >>>>>>>>> traveling at a consistent speed but there must be minute >>>>>>>>> hesitations >>>>>>>>> that are impossible to see but they surely affect the sound >>>>>>>>> quality. >>>>>>>>> The mainspring is plenty strong so that's not the problem and the >>>>>>>>> reproducer sounds fantastic on other machines. The problem >>>>>>>>> appears >>>>>>>>> to be caused by excessive wear on the fiber gear that mates >>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>> worm gear in the governor. A friend suggested I clean it and >>>>>>>>> try to >>>>>>>>> build up the bad areas with JB Weld. I'm afraid to do this >>>>>>>>> because I >>>>>>>>> think it will be very difficult to control and be irreversible >>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>> do it wrong. I've been thinking about cleaning all the grease >>>>>>>>> off of >>>>>>>>> it and checking over for defects with a magnifier. If I can see >>>>>>>>> areas in the gear thread that are raised I will smooth them out >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> sand paper. To try to build up an >>>>>>>> y areas that look low I will paint on some lacquer or urethane >>>>>>>> varnish. As I mentioned earlier, the turntable appears to be >>>>>>>> rotating >>>>>>>> at a consistent speed so It shouldn't take much to true up the >>>>>>>> teeth >>>>>>>> enough to work properly. I'm looking for second opinions on this >>>>>>>> technique or any other technique that you think will solve the >>>>>>>> problem. Thanks >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: >>>>>>> 06/21/09 05:53:00 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: >>>>> 06/21/09 05:53:00 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.87/2195 - Release Date: >>> 06/22/09 06:54:00 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2217 - Release Date: > 07/03/09 18:11:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From maffit2 at bresnan.net Tue Jul 28 16:08:31 2009 From: maffit2 at bresnan.net (Bob Maffit) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:08:31 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] W. H. Taft cylinder question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501ca0fd8$546bbd60$fd433820$@net> Allen: and Listers: Thanks for the prompt respons. I didn't realize so many had been produced. Now, if someone has any ideas regarding aprx. Value or a source I could consult, I would appreciate it. Again, thanks for the help. Later Bob -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of AllenAmet at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:05 AM To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] W. H. Taft cylinder question In a message dated 7/27/2009 11:08:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maffit2 at bresnan.net writes: I bought 25 Edison 2 min cylinders today, and included in the lot, were some W H Taft cylinders. I am wondering how many cylinders he recorded. I have 4: 9996, 9997, 9999, and 10001. It looks like at least 6 were done, if not more. ---------------- All the Taft and Bryan debate cylinders are listed and dated in 'ECR, 1889-1912.' allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.35/2269 - Release Date: 07/28/09 17:58:00 From smstitt at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 16:18:40 2009 From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:18:40 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone In-Reply-To: <788463.37341.qm@web57508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <788463.37341.qm@web57508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7e8e90ff0907281618j5e0fb5dak6119d33785c86371@mail.gmail.com> Well I hate to play bad guy but if you want to spend $500+++ and not know what you are doing maybe you deserve to take a hit. After all this is not face to face with a dealer but an internet auction. Call me conservative, I have a hard spending $500 on a picture and I can ill afford to lose that much money. Buyer should never be cheated and sellers should always be honest, it is un-knowledgeable (sic) bidders/buyers that allow abuse to go on and may be their own victim. Oldcranky Mike On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:18 PM, William Buchanan wrote: > It is a shame that so many people are bidding on this piece of trash. > Although I must admit some of the parts look real, but that is a huge price > to pay for some spare parts. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, bruce78rpm at comcast.net > wrote: > > From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net > Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone > To: "Phono-L" > Cc: "Phonolist" > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:04 AM > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > > This will undoubtedly set the record so far this year for the highest price > paid for a Frankenphone piece of Crap to be sold on Ebay, or probably > anywhere else for that matter. > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Tue Jul 28 17:22:48 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb at wmconnect.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:22:48 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone Message-ID: A great many buyers haven't a clue what they are buying. They've got the money, some sellers have the products, even if they are Crapolas. Bentley From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Tue Jul 28 17:39:09 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:39:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <556333826.4110001248827949449.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Right, I totally agree with you, but if you are selling a Craponola or Frankenphone or combination thereof, do not put a title on it that tries to fish some sucker in, advertise it for what it is !! and if you are unsure about what it is, Take a stab at the title but put a question mark after it !!! Is that asking too much in the name of honesty?? and fair play?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:22:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone A great many buyers haven't a clue what they are buying. They've got the money, some sellers have the products, even if they are Crapolas. Bentley _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 17:43:40 2009 From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (William Buchanan) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone Message-ID: <853759.56223.qm@web57503.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mike, I agree with you, I also have a problem with spending huge amounts of money on a photo. There is no real guarantee that you will ever receive the item and when you do and it turns out to be fake you have nobody to blame but yourself. Money is not that easy to come by for me, I have not worked in the past two years but even when I was working I would have never spent over $50.00 on something on ebay. I guess it all goes back to the old and very truthful saying "Let the buyer beware". I have been lucky, I have only been ripped off a couple of times on ebay and those times they were less than 30 dollars each so I feel very good about that. Bill --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Mike Stitt wrote: From: Mike Stitt Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 7:18 PM Well I hate to play bad guy but if you want to spend $500+++ and not know what you are doing maybe you deserve to take a hit. After all this is not face to face with a dealer but an internet auction. Call me conservative, I have a hard spending $500 on a picture and I can ill afford to lose that much money. Buyer should never be cheated and sellers should always be honest, it is un-knowledgeable (sic) bidders/buyers that allow abuse to go on and may be their own victim. Oldcranky Mike On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:18 PM, William Buchanan wrote: > It is a shame that so many people are bidding on this piece of trash. > Although I must admit some of the parts look real, but that is a huge price > to pay for some spare parts. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, bruce78rpm at comcast.net > wrote: > > From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net > Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone > To: "Phono-L" > Cc: "Phonolist" > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:04 AM > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > > This will undoubtedly set the record so far this year for the highest price > paid for a Frankenphone piece of Crap to be sold on Ebay, or probably > anywhere else for that matter. > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 17:56:38 2009 From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (William Buchanan) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone Message-ID: <630497.90504.qm@web57509.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mike I forgot to mentioned that I emailed the seller of this item and informed that the player was a fake. I also told him that the first thing that I noticed was all the phillip head screws that were used. That is a dead give away on anything that was supposed to be made during that time. Bill --- On Tue, 7/28/09, William Buchanan wrote: From: William Buchanan Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:43 PM Mike, I agree with you, I also have a problem with spending huge amounts of money on a photo. There is no real guarantee that you will ever receive the item and when you do and it turns out to be fake you have nobody to blame but yourself. Money is not that easy to come by for me, I have not worked in the past two years but even when I was working I would have never spent over $50.00 on something on ebay. I guess it all goes back to the old and very truthful saying "Let the buyer beware". I have been lucky, I have only been ripped off a couple of times on ebay and those times they were less than 30 dollars each so I feel very good about that. Bill --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Mike Stitt wrote: From: Mike Stitt Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 7:18 PM Well I hate to play bad guy but if you want to spend $500+++ and not know what you are doing maybe you deserve to take a hit. After all this is not face to face with a dealer but an internet auction. Call me conservative, I have a hard spending $500 on a picture and I can ill afford to lose that much money. Buyer should never be cheated and sellers should always be honest, it is un-knowledgeable (sic) bidders/buyers that allow abuse to go on and may be their own victim. Oldcranky Mike On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:18 PM, William Buchanan wrote: > It is a shame that so many people are bidding on this piece of trash. > Although I must admit some of the parts look real, but that is a huge price > to pay for some spare parts. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, bruce78rpm at comcast.net > wrote: > > From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net > Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone > To: "Phono-L" > Cc: "Phonolist" > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:04 AM > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > > This will undoubtedly set the record so far this year for the highest price > paid for a Frankenphone piece of Crap to be sold on Ebay, or probably > anywhere else for that matter. > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Tue Jul 28 18:03:19 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:03:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone In-Reply-To: <630497.90504.qm@web57509.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1355570564.4116721248829399139.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> He most likely will email you back and say that maybe someone just used the Phillips head screws doesn't make the rest of the phonograph a fake, yes, geee maybe the past owner was missing the original screws for the machine and substituted modern day phillips screws just to hold it together until he found some matching ones from the right era. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Buchanan" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:56:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone Mike I forgot to mentioned that I emailed the seller of this item and informed that the player was a fake. I also told him that the first thing that I noticed was all the phillip head screws that were used. That is a dead give away on anything that was supposed to be made during that time. Bill --- On Tue, 7/28/09, William Buchanan wrote: From: William Buchanan Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:43 PM Mike, I agree with you, I also have a problem with spending huge amounts of money on a photo. There is no real guarantee that you will ever receive the item and when you do and it turns out to be fake you have nobody to blame but yourself. Money is not that easy to come by for me, I have not worked in the past two years but even when I was working I would have never spent over $50.00 on something on ebay. I guess it all goes back to the old and very truthful saying "Let the buyer beware". I have been lucky, I have only been ripped off a couple of times on ebay and those times they were less than 30 dollars each so I feel very good about that. Bill --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Mike Stitt wrote: From: Mike Stitt Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 7:18 PM Well I hate to play bad guy but if you want to spend $500+++ and not know what you are doing maybe you deserve to take a hit. After all this is not face to face with a dealer but an internet auction. Call me conservative, I have a hard spending $500 on a picture and I can ill afford to lose that much money. Buyer should never be cheated and sellers should always be honest, it is un-knowledgeable (sic) bidders/buyers that allow abuse to go on and may be their own victim. Oldcranky Mike On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:18 PM, William Buchanan wrote: > It is a shame that so many people are bidding on this piece of trash. > Although I must admit some of the parts look real, but that is a huge price > to pay for some spare parts. > > Bill > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, bruce78rpm at comcast.net > wrote: > > From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net > Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone > To: "Phono-L" > Cc: "Phonolist" > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:04 AM > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200365874976&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > > This will undoubtedly set the record so far this year for the highest price > paid for a Frankenphone piece of Crap to be sold on Ebay, or probably > anywhere else for that matter. > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ethanuel1 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 19:05:11 2009 From: ethanuel1 at yahoo.com (wayne holznagel) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Prototyping Phonograph Parts and Records In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <75808.52832.qm@web111405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jack, I checked out the video and it is the most fascinating thing I've seen in a long time.? The affect on phonograph collecting would be very positive in my opinion.? Yes, people will abuse such technology but if you need that special part to repair that special machine . .? . . it would be great.? A person would have to start out with a part or pieces of a part for the technology to be of some value. <:)> Wayne H ? My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Jack Whelan wrote: New High Definition (HD) technology can easily handle reproducing the fine hill and dale grooves of a 4 minute cylinder record. There are several US companies developing this technology, for example https://www.nextengine.com/ There is a prototype version of software called Humpty Dumpty that can scan broken pieces and digitally reassemble them prior to sending the images to this next generation CNC tool. From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Tue Jul 28 19:12:26 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb at wmconnect.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:12:26 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone Message-ID: Hey, I agree, but keep in mind many people buy items at yards sales, estate sales, and yes, the auction block, and have no clue what they are buying. Then, they go to that ever so friendly, ever so wholesome auction site ebay, and sell it. Many times, these seller 'don't know what they do'...They don't know a Crapophone from a Victor VI. I don't go to ebay anymore, but due to all of the commotion with this Oxford Jr. I went to see. Yea, curiosity got the old cat. Hey, that little contraption looked impressive and I believe the seller did his best to describe what he thought he was selling. Let's just believe that the buyer saw something that he liked, and bought it. Bentley From Aph4990 at aol.com Tue Jul 28 19:22:10 2009 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:22:10 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Crapophone Message-ID: By the way....The seller actually doesn't care a whit that he is selling a piece of junk and is misrepresenting it. He knows full well what this item is. The fraudulent description bothered me so much that I wrote him and asked him why he didn't post the comments made to him referring to this item. Ha Ha----as if he would ever have done so! Well...he stated that under eBay rules he didn't have to post any comments or questions. I'm sure that's true. But I'm also sure that any knowledgeable comments had no influence on him at all. So let's just put his eBay name on your bad list. He's not worth our time! ---Art Heller **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From waykos at shaw.ca Tue Jul 28 20:00:08 2009 From: waykos at shaw.ca (wayne) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:00:08 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] WW1 Record Message-ID: <985EF22B5BCC4B7983D00C4592B99221@WaynePC> I noticed there have been a few posting about historical recordings this month.Well I just found a most usual record.It is a 12" one-sided HMV titled "Gas Shell Bombardment".I have done some research and found that it is the only true battlefield recording of the great war.Also,it was Will Gaisberg (Fred's brother)that did the on site recording.He accidently inhaled gas while doing this and as a result died a few weeks later.The great war ended two months later.If anyone as one of these records as well maybe they could give me an idea of it's value and rarity . From jackwhelan at hotmail.com Tue Jul 28 20:12:22 2009 From: jackwhelan at hotmail.com (Jack Whelan) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:12:22 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] re Visit to the USA (LA and NYC) In-Reply-To: <5AD5A9023976459A9B595C15F29692DE@Archimedes> References: <4A6E1EAB.5050206@optusnet.com.au> <5AD5A9023976459A9B595C15F29692DE@Archimedes> Message-ID: Mario, While in NYC, you should seriously consider visiting the Edison National Historic Site (ENHS) in West Orange NJ including the nearby Edison family home at Glenmont. Perhaps some more knowledgeable member can give you the best recommendations as to how to get from NYC to West Orange, not far by train. Also a part of your travel planning, you should check with ENHS for hours of operation. The entire site may not be open because it is undergoing substantial upgrades. For a 'video tour' check out: http://www.foedison.org/Site/AudioVideo/EdisonWestOrange.wmv <-Edison Laboratory and Manufacturing Facility West Orange NJ http://foedison.org/Site/AudioVideo/Edison-Glenmont.wmv <- Edison Home at Glenmont Other sites: www.foedison.org Friends of Edison National Historic Site http://www.nps.gov/edis U.S. National Park Service ENHS. You mentioned that you were a teacher, check out the the Curriculum Materials for Teachers located at: http://www.nps.gov/edis/forteachers/index.htm As you can imagine New York and Los Angeles are perhaps the most expensive places to buy phono-stuff. If you can get to some smaller secondary cities while in the States you might find better prices. If you had more time and were adventurous, you could drive south to the Johnson Victrola Museum in Dover DE, about a 3 - 3.5 hour drive from NYC, also check train scheduled. Have fun, Jack Whelan PS, play up the Aussie accent, most Yanks here like the Aussies quite a bit! > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Mario Frazzetto > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:40 PM > To: Phono-L; Phonolist > Subject: [Phono-L] re Visit to the USA (LA and NYC) > > Hi Phono Folks, > > I'll be in the USA this September! It will be my first visit, but > hopefully not the last (Only in the USA for 8 days and lots to see!). > > A couple of questions: > > 1. I'm staying in Midtown Manhattan whilst in NYC, any collectors > nearby? (21st - 24th sept) > 2. I'm staying in Downtown LA whilst there any collectors nearby? (24th > - 28th sept) > 3. I remember reading about a shop that sells Phonographs in NYC. Are > they still around? > > > Cheers, > Mario > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009 From KEEPERH2O at aol.com Tue Jul 28 21:16:51 2009 From: KEEPERH2O at aol.com (KEEPERH2O at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:16:51 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] HMV Slots Message-ID: In a message dated 7/28/2009 10:01:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, phonolist at mac.com writes: I used to own an HMV 163, and have attached a photo of the area that you are interested in. -------------- ATTACHMENT -------------- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: HMV-163-Needle-Cups.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 61860 bytes URL: Many Thanks for the excellent shot! Now, who may have parts like this? Anyone in Britain? We have people like George Vollema or Dwayne Wyatt in the USA for Victrola parts. This cool machine deserves to be complete. All the Best! : ) Edward **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377107x1201454434/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From estott at localnet.com Wed Jul 29 17:37:24 2009 From: estott at localnet.com (estott at localnet.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:37:24 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Help- I broke a record I like Message-ID: <20090729203724.5orhl88n1pss0kco@webmail.localnet.com> I'd like to replace a record I just broke.? Brunswick 20062, 12 inch electric. Ben Bernie's Hotel Roosevelt Orchestra playing Old Man River and Soliloquy.It's very Whiteman-esque Eric Stott From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 19:25:12 2009 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:25:12 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Help- I broke a record I like In-Reply-To: <20090729203724.5orhl88n1pss0kco@webmail.localnet.com> References: <20090729203724.5orhl88n1pss0kco@webmail.localnet.com> Message-ID: <4a7104a6.29578c0a.6032.ffff8a0f@mx.google.com> Have you ever heard the early Sinatra version? I think it was in the movie 'The Great Zigfeld'. Now THAT was whiteman-esque! -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of estott at localnet.com Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:37 PM To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] Help- I broke a record I like I'd like to replace a record I just broke.? Brunswick 20062, 12 inch electric. Ben Bernie's Hotel Roosevelt Orchestra playing Old Man River and Soliloquy.It's very Whiteman-esque Eric Stott _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.35/2270 - Release Date: 07/29/09 18:07:00 From nipper27 at comcast.net Thu Jul 30 12:14:03 2009 From: nipper27 at comcast.net (Nipper) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:14:03 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For a Japanned Victor Message-ID: I am on the market for a Japanned Victor upright Models . Must be in Nice original condition and price fair . Please email me personal . Thank you. Nick & Gina " Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." Thomas A. Edison "Bark, bark, bark, bark. Growl. Sniff. Sniff. bark, roof, roof, howl. lick." Nipper From nipper27 at comcast.net Thu Jul 30 12:18:26 2009 From: nipper27 at comcast.net (Nipper) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:18:26 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for a Japanned Victor Message-ID: I am on the market for a Japanned Victor upright Models . Must be in Nice original condition and price fair . Please email me personal . Nipper27 at comcast.net Thank you. Nick & Gina " Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." Thomas A. Edison "Bark, bark, bark, bark. Growl. Sniff. Sniff. bark, roof, roof, howl. lick." Nipper From rvuill at comcast.net Fri Jul 31 13:58:28 2009 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:58:28 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor 0 Reproducer? References: Message-ID: Saw this on eBay item #130322015477. Not in any books I've ever seen. What do you think? From steve_noreen at msn.com Fri Jul 31 14:42:20 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:42:20 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor 0 Reproducer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Bob, The Victor Data Book has it on page 71, it was found on the Victor O outside horn machines. The reproducer is called the #15 O. Total shipments at 50,431. The reproducer is pressed together, in my opinion a cheap version of the Exhibition. I have met several in person. I call it cheap because it lacks the rubber isolator and is press fitted together. The O sold for $17.50 to $20.00 compared the the Victor I that sold for $22.00 to $30.00. Years ago I was like you and wondered what it was and who created it. I thought someone had used an Exhibition and made a frankenreproducer. Steve reproducer enthusiast > From: rvuill at comcast.net > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:58:28 -0400 > Subject: [Phono-L] Victor 0 Reproducer? > > Saw this on eBay item #130322015477. Not in any books I've ever seen. > What do you think? > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From dan at old-phonographs.com Fri Jul 31 14:57:02 2009 From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:57:02 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor 0 Reproducer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is the correct reproducer for the Vic O and for the very early Victrola IV with the metal grill. It should go for a good amount. It's a hard reproducer to find and is very desierable. It's mentioned in the Victor Data Book if I remember right. Dan On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Bob wrote: > Saw this on eBay item #130322015477. Not in any books I've ever seen. > What do you think? > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From jay.horenstein at gmail.com Fri Jul 31 18:59:02 2009 From: jay.horenstein at gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:59:02 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Zon-O-Phone Horn Message-ID: <4a73a18b.1f588c0a.53e7.ffffd216@mx.google.com> Hello to all you phono-friends, I would like to find a sharp looking horn for an early back mount Zon-O-Phone. Brass, flower, whatever. Anyone out there willing to part with such an animal? My email address is jay.horenstein at gmail.com. Thanks, Jay From phonophan at aol.com Fri Jul 31 20:18:16 2009 From: phonophan at aol.com (phonophan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:18:16 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor 0 Reproducer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBE06DD8456E84-828-1E81@WEBMAIL-MB07.sysops.aol.com> Just a note to mention that this particular soundbox was used only on the later Victor "0"s -- the first versions had regular Exhibitions. The impression has grown up that ALL "0"s take this "cut down" version of the Exhibition, and this is incorrect. This same soundbox was sold in Great Britain and Europe as an "Exhibtion Jr." or a "Zonophone." It had a brief but varied existence beginning around 1910. Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Melvin To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:57 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor 0 Reproducer? This is the correct reproducer for the Vic O and for the very early Victrola IV with the metal grill. It should go for a good amount. It's a hard reproducer to find and is very desierable. It's mentioned in the Victor Data Book if I remember right. Dan On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Bob wrote: > Saw this on eBay item #130322015477. Not in any books I've ever seen. > What do you think? > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jnormanvandrisse at yahoo.com Fri Jul 31 21:10:12 2009 From: jnormanvandrisse at yahoo.com (james n. vandrisse) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] STREAMING ALL 78rpm radio show, 11:30AM C.D.T., Saturday. Message-ID: <344861.76822.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (J.M.J.) ? www.wtkm.com of Hartford, Wisconsin with blind DJ Greg Drust will be hosting an all 78rpm radio show at 11:30AM C.D.T. on August 1, 2009. It will commemorate what would have been trumpet legend Romy Gosz' 99th Birthday. Some spins will include Romy's first session on Broadway from 1931 in Grafton, Wisconsin studio, released under his fathers' name as Paul Gosz's Orchestras and are kind of like chick's teeth to find even here in Wisconsin. A follow up all 78rpm records program in the Romy Gosz series will be streamed on the same radio station website on Saturday, August 29 at the same time period to memorialize Romy Gosz' passing on that date in 1966. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Jim VanDrisse, Chilton, Wisconsin.