From ClockworkHome at aol.com Thu Jan 1 01:38:07 2009 From: ClockworkHome at aol.com (ClockworkHome@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 1 01:36:38 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera Message-ID: I asked for the serial number and the last patent date on the first day of the eBay posting. When someone does not have a machine they don't know how to answer and I get no response. I have not received an answer to my question on the serial and the last patent date yet. A bogus serial and patent date would certainly stand out as fraudulent intent. If the guy comes back to me with serial #18546 patented in April 1917 then one can easily tell it is made up. There were around 3700 Operas before they were renamed Concert for another 800 or so following. The last patent date on all Opera/Concerts should be November 8, 1910. When they do answer and the machine is one I am looking for then I bid. Happy New Year to All and May All Your Finds Be Rare Ones... Al **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From ClockworkHome at aol.com Thu Jan 1 03:53:38 2009 From: ClockworkHome at aol.com (ClockworkHome@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 1 03:59:02 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick Panatrope Value? Rarity? Interest? Message-ID: Anyone care to comment on how rare a Brunswick Panatrope is? Is it a desirable machine since it is an early all electronic phonograph? It is not currently working and is missing the three amplifier stage tubes though the turntable functions perfectly. A non-phonograph collector friend wants to put it up for sale but does not know the value. Being an Edison only collector I wasn't interested and could not help him. It is in a cabinet comparable to my Edison C2 in quality and looks fairly clean. It is definitely earlier than the C2 with a horn speaker and tubes like a UX199. Any comments will be appreciated. Al **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From AllenAmet at aol.com Thu Jan 1 08:35:48 2009 From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 1 08:41:07 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera Message-ID: In a message dated 1/1/2009 5:07:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ClockworkHome@aol.com writes: I asked for the serial number and the last patent date on the first day of the eBay posting. I think the serial # was visible on one of the photos. Not that the presumed owner knew much about it... Allen **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From andy at popyrus.com Thu Jan 1 10:42:43 2009 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Thu Jan 1 10:43:03 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick Panatrope Value? Rarity? Interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The UX199 was popular in the 1924 to 1926 era, and was designed to be a "battery" or "dry cell" tube. They were used in some AC sets such as Steinite, but this is pretty unusual. If you can find a model number on that Brunstechnicalwick, I may have the technical data to pin down the year and verify whether or not that UX199 is supposed to be there. If the set has an AC power cord and plug, as it seems, based on your description of the turntable functioning (AC induction motor, probably), then it may have been designed to use the AC tubes that were introduced in 1927 - 28. The technical data will also show what the missing tube numbers should be, which will help this scarce machine get back on its feet. I would be happy to help with this. As for value, I can't help. My own sense is that these are scarce enough that there's not a lot of precedent to establish typical values. Without Nipper the dog and without Edison the name, its market is probably a bit more limited, although the quality will certainly be there and the Panatrope designation is respected among collectors. Andy Baron Santa Fe On Jan 1, 2009, at 4:53 AM, ClockworkHome@aol.com wrote: > Anyone care to comment on how rare a Brunswick Panatrope is? Is it a > desirable machine since it is an early all electronic phonograph? > It is not > currently working and is missing the three amplifier stage tubes > though the turntable > functions perfectly. A non-phonograph collector friend wants to put > it up for > sale but does not know the value. Being an Edison only collector I > wasn't > interested and could not help him. It is in a cabinet comparable to > my Edison > C2 in quality and looks fairly clean. It is definitely earlier than > the C2 > with a horn speaker and tubes like a UX199. > > Any comments will be appreciated. > > Al > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is > making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From phonolist at mac.com Thu Jan 1 11:02:08 2009 From: phonolist at mac.com (phonolist@mac.com) Date: Thu Jan 1 11:02:21 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick Panatrope Value? Rarity? Interest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The earliest (1926) AC-powered Panatropes used a 199 tube. These were premium sets in their day, selling for at least twice the price of a Credenza, for the phonograph-only styles. The models with radios were over $1000. To the student of technology, they are a wonderful collectible (as an example of the first all-electric phonograph) and somewhat hard to find. Unfortunately, there are few people collecting them, so they do not seem to have much value. I would say a non- working Panatrope is a $200-$400 machine, unless it is in an custom cabinet. You see them now and then on ebay, and they sell in this range. On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:53 AM, ClockworkHome@aol.com wrote: > Anyone care to comment on how rare a Brunswick Panatrope is? Is it a > desirable machine since it is an early all electronic phonograph? > It is not > currently working and is missing the three amplifier stage tubes > though the turntable > functions perfectly. A non-phonograph collector friend wants to put > it up for > sale but does not know the value. Being an Edison only collector I > wasn't > interested and could not help him. It is in a cabinet comparable to > my Edison > C2 in quality and looks fairly clean. It is definitely earlier than > the C2 > with a horn speaker and tubes like a UX199. > > Any comments will be appreciated. > > Al > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is > making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jimcip at earthlink.net Thu Jan 1 11:31:00 2009 From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip@earthlink.net) Date: Thu Jan 1 11:31:13 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick Panatrope Value? Rarity? Interest? Message-ID: <380-2200914119310745@earthlink.net> Is it actually a Panatrope or Brunswick acoustic phonograph incorporating a battery powered Radiola? You said it had a horn speaker. My early Panatrope has a dynamic cone loudspeaker. Does it have an electronic pickup or just an acoustic reproducer, tone arm & horn through which the radio driver plays? Is it labelled "Panatrope?" Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 01-Jan-2009 6:00:23 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick Panatrope Value? Rarity? Interest? > > Anyone care to comment on how rare a Brunswick Panatrope is? Is it a > desirable machine since it is an early all electronic phonograph? It is not > currently working and is missing the three amplifier stage tubes though the turntable > functions perfectly. A non-phonograph collector friend wants to put it up for > sale but does not know the value. Being an Edison only collector I wasn't > interested and could not help him. It is in a cabinet comparable to my Edison > C2 in quality and looks fairly clean. It is definitely earlier than the C2 > with a horn speaker and tubes like a UX199. > > Any comments will be appreciated. > > Al > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 12:10:11 2009 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Thu Jan 1 12:10:24 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <552750.63048.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Happy New Year Steve. The reason I don't buy from ebay is because I was kicked off since Oct 2007. There were 2 newbie sellers that didn't say pay pal only in their auctions. I give them my address and ask for theirs. I get no response. Then a few days later, I get an email asking about payment. I again ask for their address so I can send payment. Then a day later, I get a non-paid strike. I can't leave feedback and I get "canned" emails saying nothing can be done, and have a good day, yada, yada, yada. The last straw was when I got my last strike even though I had the machine(a nice Victrola 50 s/n 9XX). Here, this seller sells me the machine and gets a refund from ebay. I pay by certified cashier's checks. I do not trust pay pal. I have over 1600 pos. feedbacks. Now that ebay is pay pal only, I do without. I have a group of sellers that I know and are fellow collectors who I buy from with out the BS with ebay. By the way Steve, I have bought from you in the past. Have a great New year, Harvey Kravitz, Phonofreak56. --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Steven Medved wrote: From: Steven Medved Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated To: "Phono-l" Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 7:44 PM Hello Harvey, http://www.toolhaus.org/ Using this tool you can see the negative feedback a seller gave and received, stay away from sellers that left mean feedback. Also when you ask a question the type of answer you get is often the type of service you will also get. Steve _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From cdh041 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 1 12:14:48 2009 From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston) Date: Thu Jan 1 12:15:04 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick Panatrope Value? Rarity? Interest? Message-ID: <410-2200914120144815@earthlink.net> Before we get too absolute about this Brunswick, let's get a dew things in order. There was a Brunswick lowboy model with the RCA Radiola III. It used two battery tubes, type WD 11. I haven't the books nearby, but the radio chassis could be and probably was, the Radiola III-A, using four WD-11's. Those tubes had a 4 pin base, which never became standard. Another Panatrope with radio model had an RCA Radiola superheterodyne chassis in it, and used six, I believe, type UV 199 tubes, commonly referred to as just: V99. They had a funny base, with stubby pins, and locked into the socket with a pin on the side of the base. Yet, a later model of Brunswick's Panatrope with radio did use an RCA Radiola 28. This used seven UX 199 and one UX 120 tubes. The X99 and the 20 finally had the base, which is even now, considered a standard base design. Remember, that radio technology advanced so repidly during the twenties that a manufacturer might have barely gotten a productio run of radios made, only to have them obsoleted by a competetor. Brunswick, and Victor as well, rode the crest of RCA's wave of technological advancement. Victor did use the battery version of the Radiola 28, which was the cutting edge of technology in their Borgia I phono combination, with a Credenza in the opposite side of the cabinet. Victor, and Brunswick offered an AC operated version of the Radiola 28, right on the heels of the Borgia I (Victor), and the PR 148 phono combination (Brunswick). Victor added a roman II to the Borgia, and also brought out the Hyperion. In late 1927, both using an AC operated Radiola 28. Victor added a record changer to an AC operated Radiola 28, and called it 9-55. The Radiola 28 was the last of the sets by RCA to ues the X99's. I surmise that we haven't yet heard exactly what model this Panatrope is, so all of the above is speculation. One more swat now. The last of the Brunswick combos (3NW8) used RCA's Radiola 64, with a manual motor board. It is a superb performer; the Brunswick counterpart to Victor's 9-18 (both in my collection). The next step was RCA's acquisition of VTMCo, and Brunswick had to get an other radio suplier (Bremer-Tully). A couple of years ago, a Brunswick 3NW8 was on eBay, and the price went through the roof, to a foreign buyer (Guess where). As far as scarcity goes, the battery radio panatropes pop up on auction every once in a while, so they aren't exactly a holy grail. Their value may not even be greater because of the radio, but that's up to the immediate character of the bidding masses. I > [Original Message] > From: > To: Antique Phonograph List > Date: 1/1/2009 2:02:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick Panatrope Value? Rarity? Interest? > > The earliest (1926) AC-powered Panatropes used a 199 tube. These were > premium sets in their day, selling for at least twice the price of a > Credenza, for the phonograph-only styles. The models with radios were > over $1000. To the student of technology, they are a wonderful > collectible (as an example of the first all-electric phonograph) and > somewhat hard to find. Unfortunately, there are few people collecting > them, so they do not seem to have much value. I would say a non- > working Panatrope is a $200-$400 machine, unless it is in an custom > cabinet. You see them now and then on ebay, and they sell in this > range. > > > On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:53 AM, ClockworkHome@aol.com wrote: > > > Anyone care to comment on how rare a Brunswick Panatrope is? Is it a > > desirable machine since it is an early all electronic phonograph? > > It is not > > currently working and is missing the three amplifier stage tubes > > though the turntable > > functions perfectly. A non-phonograph collector friend wants to put > > it up for > > sale but does not know the value. Being an Edison only collector I > > wasn't > > interested and could not help him. It is in a cabinet comparable to > > my Edison > > C2 in quality and looks fairly clean. It is definitely earlier than > > the C2 > > with a horn speaker and tubes like a UX199. > > > > Any comments will be appreciated. > > > > Al > > > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is > > making > > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jnichol at fuse.net Thu Jan 1 12:28:54 2009 From: jnichol at fuse.net (Jim Nichol) Date: Thu Jan 1 12:29:07 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated In-Reply-To: <552750.63048.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <552750.63048.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Harvey, just curious why you don't trust Paypal. That seems to be the one thing that eBay hasn't managed to screw up. There are very few things on the Internet that I trust more than Paypal. I've even used Paypal to buy something from a vendor that I wouldn't trust to give them my credit card number. A vendor can steal your credit card number, and charge more stuff to it or sell it to others. But they cannot make a fraudulent charge to Paypal. As a matter of fact, that is the entire reason for Paypal's creation. Jim On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:10 PM, harvey kravitz wrote: > Happy New Year Steve. The reason I don't buy from ebay is because I > was kicked off since Oct 2007. There were 2 newbie sellers that > didn't say pay pal only in their auctions. I give them my address > and ask for theirs. I get no response. Then a few days later, I get > an email asking about payment. I again ask for their address so I > can send payment. Then a day later, I get a non-paid strike. I can't > leave feedback and I get "canned" emails saying nothing can be done, > and have a good day, yada, yada, yada. The last straw was when I got > my last strike even though I had the machine(a nice Victrola 50 s/n > 9XX). Here, this seller sells me the machine and gets a refund from > ebay. I pay by certified cashier's checks. I do not trust pay pal. I > have over 1600 pos. feedbacks. Now that ebay is pay pal only, I do > without. I have a group of sellers that I know and are fellow > collectors who I buy from with out the BS with ebay. By the way > Steve, I have bought from you > in the past. Have a great New year, Harvey Kravitz, Phonofreak56. > From ClockworkHome at aol.com Thu Jan 1 13:25:39 2009 From: ClockworkHome at aol.com (ClockworkHome@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 1 13:25:58 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera eBay serial number... Message-ID: Greetings Allen: Yes I saw the patent plate but could not make out the number even after enlarging the photo. There were not enough pixels in the original shot. The added advantage of asking for the serial number is the research value. eBay has had thousands of Edison machines on since its beginning and this makes it a wealth of data mining. Kindest Regards to You, Al **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From ClockworkHome at aol.com Thu Jan 1 13:45:07 2009 From: ClockworkHome at aol.com (ClockworkHome@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 1 13:45:21 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Thanks To All - Re: Brunswick Panatrope Message-ID: This is a Panatrope and is labeled such. The pickup is electric and the horn is made of plaster which has a small cracked area to it can be seen as such. It is a tall machine and does not have a radio that I can see in the photos that were sent to me. I will acquire more info this evening. A big THANK YOU to our most learned listers for helping me on this one... Al **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From phonolist at mac.com Thu Jan 1 14:37:42 2009 From: phonolist at mac.com (phonolist@mac.com) Date: Thu Jan 1 14:38:05 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Thanks To All - Re: Brunswick Panatrope In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11416B37-6BD7-4C18-B9D7-0AC3637B8D65@mac.com> Al; Please explain what you mean by a plaster horn. The electric Panatropes had an electric pick-up and cone speakers, and the Exponential Style Panatropes had an acoustic sound box and a wooden horn (and no tubes). As far as I know, the only Brunswick machines that combined acoustic phonographs and radios were made in 1924-1925, and were never labeled as Panatropes. Panatrope was a word coined by Brunswick to describe their new all electric phonograph, which used components sourced from RCA. These were announced at the end of 1925. They didn't even refer to it as a phonograph - just a Panatrope. Everybody wanted one of the machines, but they were quite expensive. The Orthophonic Victrola made the traditional Brunswick phonograph obsolete, so they came up with a new acoustic machine. They held a contest to name the new machine, and the winner was Prismatone. Evidently, "Prismatone" failed to register with the public in the same way as "Pantarope" had, so Brunswick soon started calling the Prismatone the "Panatrope, Exponential Style", even though it apparently did not have a true exponential horn. For many years after, all Brunswick machines were labeled Panatrope. On Jan 1, 2009, at 1:45 PM, ClockworkHome@aol.com wrote: > This is a Panatrope and is labeled such. The pickup is electric and > the horn > is made of plaster which has a small cracked area to it can be seen > as such. > It is a tall machine and does not have a radio that I can see in the > photos > that were sent to me. I will acquire more info this evening. > > A big THANK YOU to our most learned listers for helping me on this > one... > > Al > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is > making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From AllenAmet at aol.com Thu Jan 1 15:31:45 2009 From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 1 15:37:12 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera eBay serial number...3574? Message-ID: In a message dated 1/1/2009 4:26:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ClockworkHome@aol.com writes: Yes I saw the patent plate but could not make out the number even after enlarging the photo. There were not enough pixels in the original shot. --------------- Greetings likewise. The best I could do for that Opera on eBay () was Serial No 3574 but the first digit is 'rough.' (ebay #170290126711) Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Thu Jan 1 17:07:41 2009 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 1 17:08:02 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick Panatrope Value? Rarity? Interest? Message-ID: hi all i have the earlier brunswick console with the slide out battery radio its neat but not worth a lot of money best to all rob In a message dated 1/1/2009 2:31:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jimcip@earthlink.net writes: Is it actually a Panatrope or Brunswick acoustic phonograph incorporating a battery powered Radiola? You said it had a horn speaker. My early Panatrope has a dynamic cone loudspeaker. Does it have an electronic pickup or just an acoustic reproducer, tone arm & horn through which the radio driver plays? Is it labelled "Panatrope?" Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 01-Jan-2009 6:00:23 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick Panatrope Value? Rarity? Interest? > > Anyone care to comment on how rare a Brunswick Panatrope is? Is it a > desirable machine since it is an early all electronic phonograph? It is not > currently working and is missing the three amplifier stage tubes though the turntable > functions perfectly. A non-phonograph collector friend wants to put it up for > sale but does not know the value. Being an Edison only collector I wasn't > interested and could not help him. It is in a cabinet comparable to my Edison > C2 in quality and looks fairly clean. It is definitely earlier than the C2 > with a horn speaker and tubes like a UX199. > > Any comments will be appreciated. > > Al > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From chrisk33 at cox.net Thu Jan 1 17:37:16 2009 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis) Date: Thu Jan 1 17:37:27 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera eBay serial number...3574? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495D6FCC.9040803@cox.net> I'm curious why people are worrying about the serial number -- didn't the group get the message I sent on the 30th at 10:55 having identified the photos as from the following web site? http://www.worldofgramophones.com/edison_opera_phonograph.html The seller never had it at all..... Chris AllenAmet@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/1/2009 4:26:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ClockworkHome@aol.com writes: > > > Yes I saw the patent plate but could not make out the number even after > enlarging the photo. There were not enough pixels in the original shot. > > > --------------- > Greetings likewise. > > The best I could do for that Opera on eBay () was Serial No 3574 but the > first digit is 'rough.' (ebay #170290126711) > > Allen > _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From Aph4990 at aol.com Thu Jan 1 18:06:18 2009 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 1 18:06:34 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera eBay serial number...3574? Message-ID: Hi Chris, I'm having a problem with the site you have suggested. I agree that it looks like the same machine, with photos taken in the same way. However, the machine on the photograph site has a light blue amberol cylinder on it and the photograph on this "sellers" site has a dark blue cylinder on it. That's one thing I can't figure out. Also, there are more pictures on the "sellers" site than there are on the site you have mentioned. Have you noticed that? ---Art Heller **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From Aph4990 at aol.com Thu Jan 1 18:13:51 2009 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 1 18:14:09 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera eBay serial number...3574? Message-ID: Oops--I take it back. The color depends purely on the light. The serial numbers are exactly the same. The pictures have obviously been lifted. However--there is an extra picture of Edison's signature that is not present on the site you have mentioned. --Art Heller **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From rich-mail at octoxol.com Thu Jan 1 18:28:51 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Thu Jan 1 18:29:03 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera eBay serial number...3574? In-Reply-To: <495D6FCC.9040803@cox.net> References: <495D6FCC.9040803@cox.net> Message-ID: <495D7BE3.8010100@octoxol.com> Sometimes the real details just interfere in the theorizing. I am much more interested in just exactly what this seller really was up to. I don't think eBay wants people running auctions as social experiments, part of their PhD research, or jokes. Chris Kocsis wrote: > I'm curious why people are worrying about the serial number -- didn't > the group get the message I sent on the 30th at 10:55 having identified > the photos as from the following web site? > > http://www.worldofgramophones.com/edison_opera_phonograph.html > > The seller never had it at all..... > > Chris > From chrisk33 at cox.net Thu Jan 1 19:21:36 2009 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis) Date: Thu Jan 1 19:21:48 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera eBay serial number...3574? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495D8840.90905@cox.net> Yeah, that's true! I wonder if searching google images under "edison opera" might find that picture with the blue cylinder? We might never know if this was an aborted scam or a "research." If it was the latter, I guess I over-reacted :-) Chris Aph4990@aol.com wrote: > Hi Chris, > I'm having a problem with the site you have suggested. I agree that it > looks like the same machine, with photos taken in the same way. However, the > machine on the photograph site has a light blue amberol cylinder on it and the > photograph on this "sellers" site has a dark blue cylinder on it. That's one > thing I can't figure out. Also, there are more pictures on the "sellers" > site than there are on the site you have mentioned. > Have you noticed that? > ---Art Heller > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From chrisk33 at cox.net Thu Jan 1 19:25:33 2009 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis) Date: Thu Jan 1 19:25:49 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Opera eBay serial number...3574? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495D892D.8090903@cox.net> Oops ditto, I take my reply back about the blue. Except to add, as Rich said, that this is an inappropriate way to conduct research. Chris Aph4990@aol.com wrote: > Oops--I take it back. The color depends purely on the light. The serial > numbers are exactly the same. The pictures have obviously been lifted. > However--there is an extra picture of Edison's signature that is not present on the > site you have mentioned. > --Art Heller > > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 21:29:45 2009 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Thu Jan 1 21:29:57 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <101907.97818.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, I never buy on line with a credit card. I don't phone it in either. I mail payment the old fashioned way. I get free cashier's checks from Bank of America. They are safe, secure, and traceable. I'm afraid some hacker will get into private information. Because of identity theft, I am very cautious. I don't even use ATMs. I guess that I am living in 1909 instead of 2009. I hope this answers you question. Happy New Year, Harvey --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Jim Nichol wrote: From: Jim Nichol Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:28 PM Harvey, just curious why you don't trust Paypal. That seems to be the one thing that eBay hasn't managed to screw up. There are very few things on the Internet that I trust more than Paypal. I've even used Paypal to buy something from a vendor that I wouldn't trust to give them my credit card number. A vendor can steal your credit card number, and charge more stuff to it or sell it to others. But they cannot make a fraudulent charge to Paypal. As a matter of fact, that is the entire reason for Paypal's creation. Jim On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:10 PM, harvey kravitz wrote: > Happy New Year Steve. The reason I don't buy from ebay is because I was kicked off since Oct 2007. There were 2 newbie sellers that didn't say pay pal only in their auctions. I give them my address and ask for theirs. I get no response. Then a few days later, I get an email asking about payment. I again ask for their address so I can send payment. Then a day later, I get a non-paid strike. I can't leave feedback and I get "canned" emails saying nothing can be done, and have a good day, yada, yada, yada. The last straw was when I got my last strike even though I had the machine(a nice Victrola 50 s/n 9XX). Here, this seller sells me the machine and gets a refund from ebay. I pay by certified cashier's checks. I do not trust pay pal. I have over 1600 pos. feedbacks. Now that ebay is pay pal only, I do without. I have a group of sellers that I know and are fellow collectors who I buy from with out the BS with ebay. By the way Steve, I have bought from you > in the past. Have a great New year, Harvey Kravitz, Phonofreak56. > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ClockworkHome at aol.com Fri Jan 2 00:49:47 2009 From: ClockworkHome at aol.com (ClockworkHome@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 2 00:50:01 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Brunswick Panatrope part 3... Message-ID: The machine is labeled a Model P-14 on a gold disk with the serial number below it as #153695. On the back side is another screwed on plate stating the machine is a Brunswick Panatrope Model AZ-958. At the bottom of this second plate is the license information from RCA. The tube sockets are labeled UX216B, UX199, UX210. There is no sign of a battery radio or anywhere one would go. There is a 110VAC male plug on the back for power to the unit. The pickup head is the horseshoe magnet type. The horn is a large circular mass with the small driver feeding it from a vertical position then the horn goes in a full circle until it turns outward. The horn is very much like a Sousaphone shape. Where it is cracked the color under the paint makes it look like plaster which may have confused me. One thing is certain, the horn is some type of composition material that allows for a very odd free form structure. It is not any type of dynamic speaker with a cone. The cabinet woodworking is very classy and this was not a cheap phonograph. There are 4 vertical record drawers, 2 on each side of the horn opening. I can send you the same email that was sent to me if that will help. Thanks again to everyone for the comments and help. Al **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From edisone1 at verizon.net Fri Jan 2 01:16:23 2009 From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj) Date: Fri Jan 2 02:16:44 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Brunswick Panatrope part 3... References: Message-ID: <442F10335CAC4A7DBD2967D13B169F88@New> Here's a schematic for the P-14: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/518/M0039518.pdf ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:49 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Brunswick Panatrope part 3... > The machine is labeled a Model P-14 on a gold disk with the serial number > below it as #153695. On the back side is another screwed on plate stating the > machine is a Brunswick Panatrope Model AZ-958. At the bottom of this second > plate is the license information from RCA. > > The tube sockets are labeled UX216B, UX199, UX210. > > There is no sign of a battery radio or anywhere one would go. > > There is a 110VAC male plug on the back for power to the unit. > > The pickup head is the horseshoe magnet type. > > The horn is a large circular mass with the small driver feeding it from a > vertical position then the horn goes in a full circle until it turns outward. > The horn is very much like a Sousaphone shape. Where it is cracked the color > under the paint makes it look like plaster which may have confused me. One thing > is certain, the horn is some type of composition material that allows for a > very odd free form structure. It is not any type of dynamic speaker with a > cone. > > The cabinet woodworking is very classy and this was not a cheap phonograph. > There are 4 vertical record drawers, 2 on each side of the horn opening. > > I can send you the same email that was sent to me if that will help. > > Thanks again to everyone for the comments and help. > > Al > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From phonolist at mac.com Fri Jan 2 07:50:42 2009 From: phonolist at mac.com (phonolist@mac.com) Date: Fri Jan 2 07:50:57 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Brunswick Panatrope part 3... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32C4F87F-2C8B-4C9A-B90E-08E3A7D54D76@mac.com> Hi Al; Thanks for the additional information. I've learned something that I didn't know about the Panatrope. I have some Brunswick literature, and found the model P-14 in a couple of brochures and in a letter to the dealers. The letter is dated July of 1927, and announces a reduction in the price of the P-14 to $460. I don't have any information on when the model was introduced or what it sold for initially. A later brochure shows the list price as $365, so obviously this model kept getting cheaper over time. The brochures make no mention of the fact that this model has a horn rather than a cone speaker, although it is apparent from the illustrations that the P-14 used the same cabinet as the all-acoustic Cortez. The Cortez was Brunswick's answer to the Credenza and sold at the same price ($300). In this regard, it would seem that the P-14 was somewhat equivalent to Victor's model 8-60, except that it did not offer both acoustic and electric reproduction in the same machine. Victor's 8-60 was a Credenza with the addition of an magnetic pick-up, horn driver and an amplifier using a similar tube compliment to the P-14. It sounds like Brunswick used the same formula to make their P-14, but left off the acoustic sound box and associated valve to save a little money. On FridayJanuary 2, 2009, at 12:49 AM, ClockworkHome@aol.com wrote: > The machine is labeled a Model P-14 on a gold disk with the serial > number > below it as #153695. On the back side is another screwed on plate > stating the > machine is a Brunswick Panatrope Model AZ-958. At the bottom of > this second > plate is the license information from RCA. > > The tube sockets are labeled UX216B, UX199, UX210. > > There is no sign of a battery radio or anywhere one would go. > > There is a 110VAC male plug on the back for power to the unit. > > The pickup head is the horseshoe magnet type. > > The horn is a large circular mass with the small driver feeding it > from a > vertical position then the horn goes in a full circle until it turns > outward. > The horn is very much like a Sousaphone shape. Where it is cracked > the color > under the paint makes it look like plaster which may have confused > me. One thing > is certain, the horn is some type of composition material that > allows for a > very odd free form structure. It is not any type of dynamic speaker > with a > cone. > > The cabinet woodworking is very classy and this was not a cheap > phonograph. > There are 4 vertical record drawers, 2 on each side of the horn > opening. > > I can send you the same email that was sent to me if that will help. > > Thanks again to everyone for the comments and help. > > Al > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is > making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From cdh041 at earthlink.net Fri Jan 2 11:17:42 2009 From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston) Date: Fri Jan 2 11:17:58 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Brunswick Panatrope part 3... Message-ID: <410-22009152191742453@earthlink.net> OK, now it all comes clear. I have a P-11, with the same electronics, but with the 6 inch electro-dynamic speaker. It sounds absolutely wonderful. I suspect that the P-14 was the one that scooped Victor in 1925, before the Orthophonic system was announced (Victor Day). Brunswick Balke-Collender was a furniture maker, doing some terrific creations. Their entry into phonographs and records was in the late teens. Indeed, their cabinetry was beautiful. Any of the Panatrope phonograph-only models are very desirable. They were expensive, so sales were low. Their survival rate is also low, so I have to use the overworked eBay term: RARE. Anybody who can find one of them is fortunate, indeed. > [Original Message] > From: DanKj > To: Antique Phonograph List > Date: 1/2/2009 5:20:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Re: Brunswick Panatrope part 3... > > Here's a schematic for the P-14: > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/518/M0039518.pdf > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:49 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Brunswick Panatrope part 3... > > > > The machine is labeled a Model P-14 on a gold disk with the serial number > > below it as #153695. On the back side is another screwed on plate stating the > > machine is a Brunswick Panatrope Model AZ-958. At the bottom of this second > > plate is the license information from RCA. > > > > The tube sockets are labeled UX216B, UX199, UX210. > > > > There is no sign of a battery radio or anywhere one would go. > > > > There is a 110VAC male plug on the back for power to the unit. > > > > The pickup head is the horseshoe magnet type. > > > > The horn is a large circular mass with the small driver feeding it from a > > vertical position then the horn goes in a full circle until it turns outward. > > The horn is very much like a Sousaphone shape. Where it is cracked the color > > under the paint makes it look like plaster which may have confused me. One thing > > is certain, the horn is some type of composition material that allows for a > > very odd free form structure. It is not any type of dynamic speaker with a > > cone. > > > > The cabinet woodworking is very classy and this was not a cheap phonograph. > > There are 4 vertical record drawers, 2 on each side of the horn opening. > > > > I can send you the same email that was sent to me if that will help. > > > > Thanks again to everyone for the comments and help. > > > > Al > > > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From barry at barrykasindorf.com Sat Jan 3 11:10:26 2009 From: barry at barrykasindorf.com (Barry Kasindorf) Date: Sat Jan 3 12:10:34 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Happy New Year Message-ID: <495FB822.6060904@barrykasindorf.com> Hi List, In the spirit of the new year, I will ask again if someone has a part I have been looking for for a long time now. Maybe this is my year :-). I need a wooden needle tray for a Columbia Graphanola Deluxe, this is the same as the Regina 240 Reginaphone, large rounded console phonograph with carved lion's heads. It has 3 wooden needle trays (one for each type of needle) and a swing out metal bowl for used needles under a small hole in the wooden top to place the needle. I have this in Oak but need the Mahogany version. Thanks -Barry From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Sat Jan 3 15:57:11 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Sat Jan 3 15:57:24 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Wanted: Bridal Chorus from Lohengrin by Wagner 78rpm Message-ID: <010320092357.10260.495FFB5700069711000028142207300033039F9DC8C90A0C9A9D0D@comcast.net> I am looking for a clean copy of this record, preferably one from the teens or twenties or even the 1930's. I thought I had one stashed away somewhere, but I was wrong. Another friend thought he had it, but it turned out to be Medelsohn's Wedding March, which is course is the traditional wedding recessional not the Bridal Chorus by Wagner (Lohengrin, which is what I am looking for). Should be by a band or Orchestra preferably. Time is pretty tight for this, as I need it by next Saturday the 10th of January. Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. It has to be a 78rpm record, not a CD, LP or Mp3 etc. The bride wants a 78rpm!! Thanks From nipper27 at COMCAST.NET Sat Jan 3 16:48:58 2009 From: nipper27 at COMCAST.NET (Nick Manolakis) Date: Sat Jan 3 16:49:12 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Wanted: Bridal Chorus from Lohengrin by Wagner 78rpm References: <010320092357.10260.495FFB5700069711000028142207300033039F9DC8C90A0C9A9D0D@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hello, I had good luck with Larry Holdridge, when I was looking for my Great Grandmothers Opera Recording. If he doesn't have it he may be able to direct you to another source. He is in NY, here is his email. larhold@bway.net Good Luck Gina ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Phonolist" ; "Phono-L" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:57 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Wanted: Bridal Chorus from Lohengrin by Wagner 78rpm > > I am looking for a clean copy of this record, preferably one from the > teens or twenties or even the 1930's. I thought I had one stashed away > somewhere, but I was wrong. Another friend thought he had it, but it > turned out to be Medelsohn's Wedding March, which is course is the > traditional wedding recessional not the Bridal Chorus by Wagner > (Lohengrin, which is what I am looking for). Should be by a band or > Orchestra preferably. Time is pretty tight for this, as I need it by next > Saturday the 10th of January. Any help you can give me would be greatly > appreciated. It has to be a 78rpm record, not a CD, LP or Mp3 etc. The > bride wants a 78rpm!! > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ElCaminoNYC at aol.com Sun Jan 4 07:26:43 2009 From: ElCaminoNYC at aol.com (ElCaminoNYC@aol.com) Date: Sun Jan 4 07:27:04 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BGT Message-ID: Hello All, And happy new year......I figured I would try one more time before the Orlando show-------------anyone have a BGT they are willing to part with?????.........willing to pay a premium for the right machine!!! Please contact me off line at _elcaminonyc@aol.com_ (mailto:elcaminonyc@aol.com) Best Regards, Pete/Atlanta **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From Aph4990 at aol.com Sun Jan 4 10:42:42 2009 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990@aol.com) Date: Sun Jan 4 10:42:58 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Interesting reproducer Message-ID: Hi group, There is an interesting reproducer on ebay--and I've never seen one like this. It looks acoustic--but was made by the :Victor Radio Corp. of Chicago. Never heard of this Co. either. Anybody know what this is? Check out ebay #330298390549. Thanks, Art Heller **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From phonolist at mac.com Sun Jan 4 10:57:52 2009 From: phonolist at mac.com (phonolist@mac.com) Date: Sun Jan 4 10:58:05 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Interesting reproducer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7AED7B9F-87EA-48A3-AC14-F47EB3C60AA0@mac.com> This is for playing your radio through a Victrola. This Victor company is not related to the VTMC, and is exactly the reason that VTMC built the VV-R-80 - so they could say that they were in the radio business and force the others to change their name. On SundayJanuary 4, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Aph4990@aol.com wrote: > Hi group, > There is an interesting reproducer on ebay--and I've never seen one > like > this. It looks acoustic--but was made by the :Victor Radio Corp. > of Chicago. > Never heard of this Co. either. Anybody know what this is? > Check out ebay #330298390549. > Thanks, Art Heller > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is > making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From funks2 at comcast.net Tue Jan 6 15:19:25 2009 From: funks2 at comcast.net (funk) Date: Tue Jan 6 15:19:41 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company In-Reply-To: <775D60B7EF3741ACAA8107416B9A09ED@your4dacd0ea75> References: <862691.19220.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <775D60B7EF3741ACAA8107416B9A09ED@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: Dose anyone know the years the Brunswick 207 was produced -- especially the earliest it was produced? Thanks in advance for your help with this. Suellen -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of funk Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:52 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company I picked up a machine tag for the Atlantis Talking Machine Company. It is large (3 1/2 inches by 2 1/2 inches) and shows an external horn machine with Columbia on the horn and Victor on the machine. The tag says "This talking machine will play Columbia and Victor Records." Has anyone heard of this firm or were they sued by Victor and Columbia early on? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From AllenAmet at aol.com Tue Jan 6 15:53:35 2009 From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 6 15:53:55 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company Message-ID: In a message dated 1/6/2009 6:44:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, funks2@comcast.net writes: I picked up a machine tag for the Atlantis* Talking Machine Company. It is large (3 1/2 inches by 2 1/2 inches) and shows an external horn machine with Columbia on the horn and Victor on the machine. The tag says "This talking machine will play Columbia and Victor Records." Has anyone heard of this firm or were they sued by Victor and Columbia early on? ---------------- Is this really Atlantis and not Atlantic? I see the latter listed in a 1916 book. Allen **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From funks2 at comcast.net Tue Jan 6 17:18:49 2009 From: funks2 at comcast.net (funk) Date: Tue Jan 6 17:19:02 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's Atlantis. Their address was 46 1/2 7th St., NYC. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of AllenAmet@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:54 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company In a message dated 1/6/2009 6:44:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, funks2@comcast.net writes: I picked up a machine tag for the Atlantis* Talking Machine Company. It is large (3 1/2 inches by 2 1/2 inches) and shows an external horn machine with Columbia on the horn and Victor on the machine. The tag says "This talking machine will play Columbia and Victor Records." Has anyone heard of this firm or were they sued by Victor and Columbia early on? ---------------- Is this really Atlantis and not Atlantic? I see the latter listed in a 1916 book. Allen **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 17:52:52 2009 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Tue Jan 6 17:53:04 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <603463.44420.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi group, A good friend of mine has this machine, It is a small case 12 x12 with incisings on the corners?and a European motor and back bracket. To get to the motor, you have to remove the case bottom.The horn is a fluted one on a slip in elbow that is common with European machines. The horn is wood grained to look like quartersawn oak. I has the same plate as you described. I'd love to see your machine. Maybe there are different variations. Harvey Kravitz --- On Tue, 1/6/09, funk wrote: From: funk Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 5:18 PM It's Atlantis. Their address was 46 1/2 7th St., NYC. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of AllenAmet@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:54 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company In a message dated 1/6/2009 6:44:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, funks2@comcast.net writes: I picked up a machine tag for the Atlantis* Talking Machine Company. It is large (3 1/2 inches by 2 1/2 inches) and shows an external horn machine with Columbia on the horn and Victor on the machine. The tag says "This talking machine will play Columbia and Victor Records." Has anyone heard of this firm or were they sued by Victor and Columbia early on? ---------------- Is this really Atlantis and not Atlantic? I see the latter listed in a 1916 book. Allen **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From esroberto at hotmail.com Tue Jan 6 19:08:24 2009 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Tue Jan 6 19:08:37 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] last Edison 82525 question References: <862691.19220.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><775D60B7EF3741ACAA8107416B9A09ED@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: So should it be considered notable that the handwritten matrix on this record is 889-A-1-6 instead of -B? Any chance I have a substantially less common take of Destinn's Suicido? Thanks again, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanKj" To: Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question > It should be Matrix 889-B , recorded December 15, 1911 by Emmy Destinn > > Yours is an early pressing, issued without Harry Humphrey's "Explanatory > Talk" on the flip side, which wasn't recorded until early 1914. > Edison put out these single-faced discs in a rush to get some selections > to the dealers along with the new machines From AllenAmet at aol.com Wed Jan 7 07:10:01 2009 From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 7 07:14:40 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company/ Message-ID: In a message dated 1/6/2009 8:53:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, harveykravitz@yahoo.com writes: Hi group, A good friend of mine has this machine, It is a small case 12 x12 with incisings on the corners and a European motor and back bracket. Hi Harvey, Does it say AtlantiS or AtlantiC? Allen **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From jimcip at earthlink.net Wed Jan 7 10:15:33 2009 From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip@earthlink.net) Date: Wed Jan 7 10:15:44 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] last Edison 82525 question Message-ID: <380-22009137181533256@earthlink.net> My early etched label pressing of 82525 is matrix 889-A & had the explanatory talk on back (2724-B). Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: Robert Wright > To: Antique Phonograph List > Date: 06-Jan-2009 9:08:23 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] last Edison 82525 question > > So should it be considered notable that the handwritten matrix on this > record is 889-A-1-6 instead of -B? Any chance I have a substantially less > common take of Destinn's Suicido? > > Thanks again, > Robert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DanKj" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison 82525 question > > > > It should be Matrix 889-B , recorded December 15, 1911 by Emmy Destinn > > > > Yours is an early pressing, issued without Harry Humphrey's "Explanatory > > Talk" on the flip side, which wasn't recorded until early 1914. > > Edison put out these single-faced discs in a rush to get some selections > > to the dealers along with the new machines > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Wed Jan 7 11:23:03 2009 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Wed Jan 7 11:23:16 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company/ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <944039.82436.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Allen, It says Atlantis. Hope this helps, Harvey P. Kravitz --- On Wed, 1/7/09, AllenAmet@aol.com wrote: From: AllenAmet@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company/ To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 7:10 AM In a message dated 1/6/2009 8:53:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, harveykravitz@yahoo.com writes: Hi group, A good friend of mine has this machine, It is a small case 12 x12 with incisings on the corners and a European motor and back bracket. Hi Harvey, Does it say AtlantiS or AtlantiC? Allen **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From AllenAmet at aol.com Wed Jan 7 11:36:57 2009 From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 7 11:37:12 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// Message-ID: In a message dated 1/7/2009 2:23:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, harveykravitz@yahoo.com writes: Hi Allen, It says Atlantis Talking Machine Co. Hope this helps, Harvey P. Kravitz -------------- So far, they do not seem to have advertised in the Talking Machine World (under this name). They may have sunk beneath the waves like their namesake... ;-) Allen **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From edisone1 at verizon.net Wed Jan 7 11:18:23 2009 From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj) Date: Wed Jan 7 12:18:46 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company/ References: Message-ID: Here's something about "Atlantic", from 1915. Maybe the friend has one of these "foreign" machines. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=940CE3D81430E733A25757C1A9619C946496D6CF or http://tinyurl.com/9crz59 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company/ > > In a message dated 1/6/2009 8:53:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > harveykravitz@yahoo.com writes: > > Hi group, A good friend of mine has this machine, It is a small case 12 x12 > with incisings on the corners and a European motor and back bracket. > > > Hi Harvey, > > Does it say AtlantiS or AtlantiC? > > Allen From glastris at comcast.net Wed Jan 7 14:48:28 2009 From: glastris at comcast.net (George Glastris) Date: Wed Jan 7 14:49:04 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Would the New Yorkers help me out here please; I did a MapQuest for the address and there isn't an exact address like that on Manhattan, but there is in Brooklyn and Staten Island. It's possible that that part of the street has been filled in as a building or something, but I'm curious in a very geeky way. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// > > In a message dated 1/7/2009 2:23:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > harveykravitz@yahoo.com writes: > > Hi Allen, It says Atlantis Talking Machine Co. Hope this helps, Harvey P. > Kravitz > > > > > -------------- > So far, they do not seem to have advertised in the Talking Machine World > (under this name). They may have sunk beneath the waves like their > namesake... > ;-) > > Allen > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From nipper27 at COMCAST.NET Wed Jan 7 14:56:37 2009 From: nipper27 at COMCAST.NET (Nick Manolakis) Date: Wed Jan 7 14:56:51 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// References: Message-ID: <89008977C9D34DBDBC343E331C0BAC19@ginabhw374k2jd> What is the address ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Glastris" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// > Would the New Yorkers help me out here please; I did a MapQuest for the > address and there isn't an exact address like that on Manhattan, but there > is in Brooklyn and Staten Island. It's possible that that part of the > street has been filled in as a building or something, but I'm curious in a > very geeky way. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// > > >> >> In a message dated 1/7/2009 2:23:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> harveykravitz@yahoo.com writes: >> >> Hi Allen, It says Atlantis Talking Machine Co. Hope this helps, Harvey >> P. >> Kravitz >> >> >> >> >> -------------- >> So far, they do not seem to have advertised in the Talking Machine World >> (under this name). They may have sunk beneath the waves like their >> namesake... >> ;-) >> >> Allen >> >> **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making >> headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From glastris at comcast.net Wed Jan 7 15:08:15 2009 From: glastris at comcast.net (George Glastris) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:08:51 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// In-Reply-To: <89008977C9D34DBDBC343E331C0BAC19@ginabhw374k2jd> References: <89008977C9D34DBDBC343E331C0BAC19@ginabhw374k2jd> Message-ID: I think it only said, "46 7th St, NY" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Manolakis" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// > What is the address ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Glastris" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// > > >> Would the New Yorkers help me out here please; I did a MapQuest for the >> address and there isn't an exact address like that on Manhattan, but >> there is in Brooklyn and Staten Island. It's possible that that part of >> the street has been filled in as a building or something, but I'm curious >> in a very geeky way. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// >> >> >>> >>> In a message dated 1/7/2009 2:23:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> harveykravitz@yahoo.com writes: >>> >>> Hi Allen, It says Atlantis Talking Machine Co. Hope this helps, Harvey >>> P. >>> Kravitz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------- >>> So far, they do not seem to have advertised in the Talking Machine World >>> (under this name). They may have sunk beneath the waves like their >>> namesake... >>> ;-) >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making >>> headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From nipper27 at COMCAST.NET Wed Jan 7 15:20:51 2009 From: nipper27 at COMCAST.NET (Nick Manolakis) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:21:03 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// References: <89008977C9D34DBDBC343E331C0BAC19@ginabhw374k2jd> Message-ID: <0B747309666C4FEE95D87A4ACF84ED14@ginabhw374k2jd> 46 Av is only at Brooklyn and Queens , 100% not in Manhattan , Now if its 7 th Av and 46 street that is almost on all the borrows, But With NY at the end I will bet is 46street and 7th Av , Is this a store or a residence ? In Case you are wondering how a Guy From CA knows this , is because I was a Cab driver for few years in NY . Hope this Helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Glastris" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// >I think it only said, "46 7th St, NY" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Manolakis" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// > > >> What is the address ? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "George Glastris" >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// >> >> >>> Would the New Yorkers help me out here please; I did a MapQuest for the >>> address and there isn't an exact address like that on Manhattan, but >>> there is in Brooklyn and Staten Island. It's possible that that part of >>> the street has been filled in as a building or something, but I'm >>> curious in a very geeky way. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// >>> >>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 1/7/2009 2:23:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>>> harveykravitz@yahoo.com writes: >>>> >>>> Hi Allen, It says Atlantis Talking Machine Co. Hope this helps, Harvey >>>> P. >>>> Kravitz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------- >>>> So far, they do not seem to have advertised in the Talking Machine >>>> World >>>> (under this name). They may have sunk beneath the waves like their >>>> namesake... >>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> Allen >>>> >>>> **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making >>>> headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From edisone1 at verizon.net Wed Jan 7 15:22:11 2009 From: edisone1 at verizon.net (Dan K) Date: Wed Jan 7 18:23:29 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// References: Message-ID: I think this 'jibes' with my post about the fraud case; 46 7th St puts it at 2nd Ave, which is where Birnzweig had his phono shop. To me, it makes sense that a fraud running an "Atlantic" shop would send out "Atlantis" machines . ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Glastris" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// > Would the New Yorkers help me out here please; I did a MapQuest for the > address and there isn't an exact address like that on Manhattan, but there > is in Brooklyn and Staten Island. It's possible that that part of the > street has been filled in as a building or something, but I'm curious in a > very geeky way. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// > > >> >> In a message dated 1/7/2009 2:23:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> harveykravitz@yahoo.com writes: >> >> Hi Allen, It says Atlantis Talking Machine Co. Hope this helps, Harvey >> P. >> Kravitz >> >> >> >> >> -------------- >> So far, they do not seem to have advertised in the Talking Machine World >> (under this name). They may have sunk beneath the waves like their >> namesake... >> ;-) >> >> Allen From glastris at comcast.net Wed Jan 7 18:34:47 2009 From: glastris at comcast.net (George Glastris) Date: Wed Jan 7 18:35:02 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63F75C556A6849A4B0521F9A8F3AC7F0@GLASTRISPC> Am I missing something? What fraud case and who is Binzweig? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan K" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// > I think this 'jibes' with my post about the fraud case; 46 7th St puts it > at 2nd Ave, which is where Birnzweig had his phono shop. To me, it makes > sense that a fraud running an "Atlantic" shop would send out "Atlantis" > machines . > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Glastris" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// > > >> Would the New Yorkers help me out here please; I did a MapQuest for the >> address and there isn't an exact address like that on Manhattan, but >> there is in Brooklyn and Staten Island. It's possible that that part of >> the street has been filled in as a building or something, but I'm curious >> in a very geeky way. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// >> >> >>> >>> In a message dated 1/7/2009 2:23:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> harveykravitz@yahoo.com writes: >>> >>> Hi Allen, It says Atlantis Talking Machine Co. Hope this helps, Harvey >>> P. >>> Kravitz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------- >>> So far, they do not seem to have advertised in the Talking Machine World >>> (under this name). They may have sunk beneath the waves like their >>> namesake... >>> ;-) >>> >>> Allen > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From jancur at comcast.net Wed Jan 7 20:24:13 2009 From: jancur at comcast.net (jancur@comcast.net) Date: Wed Jan 7 20:29:56 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Circus Wagon Phonograph - Incorrect ebay listing Message-ID: <20090108042946.7101710D4C6@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Too bad the auction ended last month. ;-( Antique Wood Band Bus Truck Music Box w/ Musicians http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180314199983 From chrisk33 at cox.net Wed Jan 7 20:40:56 2009 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis) Date: Wed Jan 7 20:41:08 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Circus Wagon Phonograph - Incorrect ebay listing In-Reply-To: <20090108042946.7101710D4C6@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> References: <20090108042946.7101710D4C6@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Message-ID: <496583D8.6080607@cox.net> Is it worth a lot more than the closing bid? jancur@comcast.net wrote: > Too bad the auction ended last month. ;-( > > Antique Wood Band Bus Truck Music Box w/ Musicians > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180314199983 > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From funks2 at comcast.net Wed Jan 7 20:44:06 2009 From: funks2 at comcast.net (funk) Date: Wed Jan 7 20:44:19 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// In-Reply-To: <63F75C556A6849A4B0521F9A8F3AC7F0@GLASTRISPC> References: <63F75C556A6849A4B0521F9A8F3AC7F0@GLASTRISPC> Message-ID: I have scanned the brass tag but do not have any active web site. If you wish to see a scan of the tag-- please email me at funks2@comcast.net. I will be happy to send it as an attachment. Suellen Funk -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of George Glastris Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:35 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// Am I missing something? What fraud case and who is Binzweig? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan K" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// > I think this 'jibes' with my post about the fraud case; 46 7th St puts it > at 2nd Ave, which is where Birnzweig had his phono shop. To me, it makes > sense that a fraud running an "Atlantic" shop would send out "Atlantis" > machines . > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Glastris" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// > > >> Would the New Yorkers help me out here please; I did a MapQuest for the >> address and there isn't an exact address like that on Manhattan, but >> there is in Brooklyn and Staten Island. It's possible that that part of >> the street has been filled in as a building or something, but I'm curious >> in a very geeky way. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Atlantis Talking Machine Company// >> >> >>> >>> In a message dated 1/7/2009 2:23:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> harveykravitz@yahoo.com writes: >>> >>> Hi Allen, It says Atlantis Talking Machine Co. Hope this helps, Harvey >>> P. >>> Kravitz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------- >>> So far, they do not seem to have advertised in the Talking Machine World >>> (under this name). They may have sunk beneath the waves like their >>> namesake... >>> ;-) >>> >>> Allen > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From zonophone at woh.rr.com Fri Jan 9 05:23:22 2009 From: zonophone at woh.rr.com (Gregory Cline) Date: Fri Jan 9 05:31:20 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request Message-ID: <5741EAA5F559415B90C912D1AAE33EAA@GREGG> Happy new year to all! I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request from a potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants to know if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if this is a potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts welcome. Thanks Gregg Cline From glastris at comcast.net Fri Jan 9 05:39:55 2009 From: glastris at comcast.net (George Glastris) Date: Fri Jan 9 05:40:18 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request In-Reply-To: <5741EAA5F559415B90C912D1AAE33EAA@GREGG> References: <5741EAA5F559415B90C912D1AAE33EAA@GREGG> Message-ID: <9BE62E2DD00840A6BA319832EF72CCC2@GLASTRISPC> Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is usually when people demand payment that way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Cline" To: Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request > Happy new year to all! > > I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request from a > potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants to > know > if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if this is > a > potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no > experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts > welcome. > Thanks Gregg Cline > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From rich-mail at octoxol.com Fri Jan 9 05:52:40 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Fri Jan 9 05:52:52 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request In-Reply-To: <9BE62E2DD00840A6BA319832EF72CCC2@GLASTRISPC> References: <5741EAA5F559415B90C912D1AAE33EAA@GREGG> <9BE62E2DD00840A6BA319832EF72CCC2@GLASTRISPC> Message-ID: <496756A8.4090305@octoxol.com> Go to your bank and ask them what is available for money transfer from Brazil that is secure and nonreversible. There are ways to do this but each country is different. If the potential buyer is on the up and up they will comply. George Glastris wrote: > Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is usually > when people demand payment that way. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Cline" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request > > >> Happy new year to all! >> >> I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request from a >> potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants >> to know >> if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if >> this is a >> potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no >> experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts >> welcome. >> Thanks Gregg Cline >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From RCowen at sciencenews.org Fri Jan 9 05:57:25 2009 From: RCowen at sciencenews.org (Ron Cowen) Date: Fri Jan 9 06:13:38 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request References: <5741EAA5F559415B90C912D1AAE33EAA@GREGG><9BE62E2DD00840A6BA319832EF72CCC2@GLASTRISPC> <496756A8.4090305@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <9DF641A65BBD4C4A83DE916594B788F101CA823C@Mercury.sciserv.org> Tell him to join paypal. Should take maybe two days for his account to be set up and activated. ________________________________ From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org on behalf of Rich Sent: Fri 1/9/2009 8:52 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request Go to your bank and ask them what is available for money transfer from Brazil that is secure and nonreversible. There are ways to do this but each country is different. If the potential buyer is on the up and up they will comply. George Glastris wrote: > Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is usually > when people demand payment that way. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Cline" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request > > >> Happy new year to all! >> >> I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request from a >> potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants >> to know >> if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if >> this is a >> potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no >> experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts >> welcome. >> Thanks Gregg Cline >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4707 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.intellitechcomputing.com/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20090109/baa265bc/attachment.bin From esroberto at hotmail.com Fri Jan 9 06:26:18 2009 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Fri Jan 9 06:26:33 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request References: <5741EAA5F559415B90C912D1AAE33EAA@GREGG><9BE62E2DD00840A6BA319832EF72CCC2@GLASTRISPC> <496756A8.4090305@octoxol.com> Message-ID: Rich is right. It should be noted, however, that when the scams are afoot, it's almost always them getting YOU to Western Union them some funds (that you will surely never see again). So if the buyer wants to pay by Western Union, chances are likely it's perfectly fine. The only international transactions I've done (with expesive items, yet) have been this way, and you can get confirmation of the funds as 'in your account' before you ship the item. Best, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request > Go to your bank and ask them what is available for money transfer from > Brazil that is secure and nonreversible. There are ways to do this but > each country is different. If the potential buyer is on the up and up > they will comply. > > George Glastris wrote: >> Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is usually >> when people demand payment that way. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Cline" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request >> >> >>> Happy new year to all! >>> >>> I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request from >>> a >>> potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants to >>> know >>> if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if this >>> is a >>> potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no >>> experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts >>> welcome. >>> Thanks Gregg Cline From wavesllc at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 07:25:27 2009 From: wavesllc at gmail.com (Charlotte Mager) Date: Fri Jan 9 07:25:39 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request In-Reply-To: <496756A8.4090305@octoxol.com> References: <5741EAA5F559415B90C912D1AAE33EAA@GREGG> <9BE62E2DD00840A6BA319832EF72CCC2@GLASTRISPC> <496756A8.4090305@octoxol.com> Message-ID: I have accepted Western Union form overseas buyers and it has worked. for me. You are e-mailed a number to go and get your money at a Western Union outlet. You can get cash rather than a check from a legitimate Western Union transaction. You need to bring ID with you. You should decline when the buyer wants to send you more than the amount for the item and asks for a partial refund. Good Luck On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Rich wrote: > Go to your bank and ask them what is available for money transfer from > Brazil that is secure and nonreversible. There are ways to do this but each > country is different. If the potential buyer is on the up and up they will > comply. > > > George Glastris wrote: > >> Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is usually >> when people demand payment that way. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Cline" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request >> >> >> Happy new year to all! >>> >>> I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request from a >>> potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants to >>> know >>> if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if this >>> is a >>> potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no >>> experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts >>> welcome. >>> Thanks Gregg Cline >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > -- NEW ADDRESS Showplace Antique Center 40 W. 25 St. # 216 & 107 NY NY 10010 t. 212-273-9616 NEW HOURS WED -SUN 11- 5 MON & TUES BY APPOINTMENT http://www.wavesllc.com From rich-mail at octoxol.com Fri Jan 9 08:42:40 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:42:56 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request In-Reply-To: References: <5741EAA5F559415B90C912D1AAE33EAA@GREGG><9BE62E2DD00840A6BA319832EF72CCC2@GLASTRISPC> <496756A8.4090305@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <49677E80.6070609@octoxol.com> The problem is that Western Union can be reversed. Even after the funds are in your account. This is also true of wire transfers. International money Orders are the fool proof way but are not available from all countries. You could check with the USPS. As long as everything is on the up and up there is no problem with Western Union. Money orders can be forged though. The trick is after about a week after purchase you can check if they are valid. For $50.00 I would not worry much but as the size of the potential loss goes up, the care goes up exponentially. Robert Wright wrote: > Rich is right. It should be noted, however, that when the scams are > afoot, it's almost always them getting YOU to Western Union them some > funds (that you will surely never see again). So if the buyer wants to > pay by Western Union, chances are likely it's perfectly fine. The only > international transactions I've done (with expesive items, yet) have > been this way, and you can get confirmation of the funds as 'in your > account' before you ship the item. > > Best, > Robert > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request > > >> Go to your bank and ask them what is available for money transfer from >> Brazil that is secure and nonreversible. There are ways to do this >> but each country is different. If the potential buyer is on the up >> and up they will comply. >> >> George Glastris wrote: >>> Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is >>> usually when people demand payment that way. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Cline" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request >>> >>> >>>> Happy new year to all! >>>> >>>> I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request >>>> from a >>>> potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants >>>> to know >>>> if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if >>>> this is a >>>> potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no >>>> experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts >>>> welcome. >>>> Thanks Gregg Cline > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From john9ten at pacbell.net Fri Jan 9 08:40:00 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten@pacbell.net) Date: Fri Jan 9 10:27:20 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request Message-ID: <440418481-1231519227-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1982776234-@bxe358.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I use western union all the time with international business. It is safe because you pick up the cash, sent in your name, before you ship anything out. It is far safer than a check or money order, and is commonly used when doing business in south america. There are several countries there that don't have paypal, by the way. ------Original Message------ From: George Glastris Sender: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request Sent: Jan 9, 2009 5:39 AM Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is usually when people demand payment that way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Cline" To: Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request > Happy new year to all! > > I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request from a > potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants to > know > if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if this is > a > potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no > experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts > welcome. > Thanks Gregg Cline > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From john9ten at pacbell.net Fri Jan 9 08:41:26 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten@pacbell.net) Date: Fri Jan 9 10:28:51 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request In-Reply-To: <9DF641A65BBD4C4A83DE916594B788F101CA823C@Mercury.sciserv.org> References: <5741EAA5F559415B90C912D1AAE33EAA@GREGG><9BE62E2DD00840A6BA319832EF72CCC2@GLASTRISPC><496756A8.4090305@octoxol.com><9DF641A65BBD4C4A83DE916594B788F101CA823C@Mercury.sciserv.org> Message-ID: <2025410862-1231519314-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-344142064-@bxe358.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Paypal is not available in many south american countries,which is why I use western union. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Ron Cowen" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:57:25 To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request Tell him to join paypal. Should take maybe two days for his account to be set up and activated. ________________________________ From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org on behalf of Rich Sent: Fri 1/9/2009 8:52 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request Go to your bank and ask them what is available for money transfer from Brazil that is secure and nonreversible. There are ways to do this but each country is different. If the potential buyer is on the up and up they will comply. George Glastris wrote: > Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is usually > when people demand payment that way. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Cline" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request > > >> Happy new year to all! >> >> I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request from a >> potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants >> to know >> if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if >> this is a >> potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no >> experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts >> welcome. >> Thanks Gregg Cline >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > >_______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From mgraziano1 at o-lite.com Fri Jan 9 08:20:49 2009 From: mgraziano1 at o-lite.com (Michael Graziano) Date: Fri Jan 9 10:59:24 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request In-Reply-To: <9BE62E2DD00840A6BA319832EF72CCC2@GLASTRISPC> References: <5741EAA5F559415B90C912D1AAE33EAA@GREGG> <9BE62E2DD00840A6BA319832EF72CCC2@GLASTRISPC> Message-ID: <31B7B81A9D6C434CAB2B61B4AB76EC0B@Archimedes> This is definitely a scam. CL is loaded with Western Union scams. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of George Glastris Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:40 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is usually when people demand payment that way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Cline" To: Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request > Happy new year to all! > > I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request from a > potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants to > know > if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if this is > a > potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no > experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts > welcome. > Thanks Gregg Cline > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From smstitt at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 11:37:09 2009 From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt) Date: Fri Jan 9 11:37:21 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request In-Reply-To: <440418481-1231519227-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1982776234-@bxe358.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <440418481-1231519227-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1982776234-@bxe358.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <7e8e90ff0901091137q6517f866n2e55031c1bd55d21@mail.gmail.com> Interesting about Paypal and other countries. As eBay is PayPal only (so to speak) I found it interesting when using a buy it now I could not buy! Tho' PayPay has my bank acct # and CC # I have an unconfirmed address as my address is a Po Box (no UPS) at home and my shipping address is at work. If it had been an auction I would have been pissed. I wrote the buyer who changed his profile to allow shipping to the unconfirmed address (work). My CC goes to the house btw as it is prudent not to mix business and hobby.* So now what? Seems if you list PayPal as the only way to pay you are at it's mercy. A bit of a mess. I would remind eBay that capitalism has only one master and one master only..........the buyer. Take a look at eBay, PayPal is it. I guess you should write the sellers and ask if other options exist, otherwise eBay's check-out will put you right to PayPal or in my case maybe not... As a buyer I find this to be out of line. Oldcranky. Mike * Where you're CC bill is mailed has to be your shipping address to be confirmed as I understand it. 2009/1/9 : > I use western union all the time with international business. It is safe because you pick up the cash, sent in your name, before you ship anything out. It is far safer than a check or money order, and is commonly used when doing business in south america. There are several countries there that don't have paypal, by the way. > ------Original Message------ > From: George Glastris > Sender: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org > To: Antique Phonograph List > ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request > Sent: Jan 9, 2009 5:39 AM > > Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is usually when > people demand payment that way. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory Cline" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request > > >> Happy new year to all! >> >> I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request from a >> potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants to >> know >> if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if this is >> a >> potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no >> experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts >> welcome. >> Thanks Gregg Cline >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From john9ten at pacbell.net Fri Jan 9 13:10:42 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten@pacbell.net) Date: Fri Jan 9 13:11:20 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request In-Reply-To: <49677E80.6070609@octoxol.com> References: <5741EAA5F559415B90C912D1AAE33EAA@GREGG><9BE62E2DD00840A6BA319832EF72CCC2@GLASTRISPC> <496756A8.4090305@octoxol.com><49677E80.6070609@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <503599731-1231535467-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-67820551-@bxe358.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> With western union you just go to the supermarket (most do wetern union) get the cash un hand, and no scam. They don't transfer to bank accounts, only to WU accounts, if you have one. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Rich Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:42:40 To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request The problem is that Western Union can be reversed. Even after the funds are in your account. This is also true of wire transfers. International money Orders are the fool proof way but are not available from all countries. You could check with the USPS. As long as everything is on the up and up there is no problem with Western Union. Money orders can be forged though. The trick is after about a week after purchase you can check if they are valid. For $50.00 I would not worry much but as the size of the potential loss goes up, the care goes up exponentially. Robert Wright wrote: > Rich is right. It should be noted, however, that when the scams are > afoot, it's almost always them getting YOU to Western Union them some > funds (that you will surely never see again). So if the buyer wants to > pay by Western Union, chances are likely it's perfectly fine. The only > international transactions I've done (with expesive items, yet) have > been this way, and you can get confirmation of the funds as 'in your > account' before you ship the item. > > Best, > Robert > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request > > >> Go to your bank and ask them what is available for money transfer from >> Brazil that is secure and nonreversible. There are ways to do this >> but each country is different. If the potential buyer is on the up >> and up they will comply. >> >> George Glastris wrote: >>> Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is >>> usually when people demand payment that way. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Cline" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request >>> >>> >>>> Happy new year to all! >>>> >>>> I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request >>>> from a >>>> potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants >>>> to know >>>> if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if >>>> this is a >>>> potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no >>>> experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts >>>> welcome. >>>> Thanks Gregg Cline > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rich-mail at octoxol.com Fri Jan 9 13:34:23 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Fri Jan 9 13:34:35 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request In-Reply-To: <7e8e90ff0901091137q6517f866n2e55031c1bd55d21@mail.gmail.com> References: <440418481-1231519227-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1982776234-@bxe358.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <7e8e90ff0901091137q6517f866n2e55031c1bd55d21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4967C2DF.8020501@octoxol.com> The interesting thing here is this latest eBay/PayPal mess is the result of scamers using the gullibility of eBay buyers and the governments (state and federal) desire to get their tax money. The stung buyers have howled loudly for "the government to do something" and the government has taken notice of all of the people who have run off at he mouth about how much money they make. So, if over 10,000 gross goes through your eBay account the feds will be notified on a 1099. And by driving most of the business through PayPal they have records now and bureaucracies love paper. And the bottom line is that he cost of doing business for both the buyer and seller has increased quite a bit on eBay due to this. And, yes your confirmed address is your billing address unless you call your CC company/bank and add your shipping address as an alternate. Then change it in PayPal. Mike Stitt wrote: > Interesting about Paypal and other countries. As eBay is PayPal only > (so to speak) I found it interesting when using a buy it now I could > not buy! Tho' PayPay has my bank acct # and CC # I have an unconfirmed > address as my address is a Po Box (no UPS) at home and my shipping > address is at work. If it had been an auction I would have been > pissed. I wrote the buyer who changed his profile to allow shipping to > the unconfirmed address (work). My CC goes to the house btw as it is > prudent not to mix business and hobby.* So now what? Seems if you list > PayPal as the only way to pay you are at it's mercy. A bit of a mess. > I would remind eBay that capitalism has only one master and one master > only..........the buyer. > Take a look at eBay, PayPal is it. I guess you should write the > sellers and ask if other options exist, otherwise eBay's check-out > will put you right to PayPal or in my case maybe not... As a buyer I > find this to be out of line. > Oldcranky. Mike > * Where you're CC bill is mailed has to be your shipping address to be > confirmed as I understand it. > > > 2009/1/9 : >> I use western union all the time with international business. It is safe because you pick up the cash, sent in your name, before you ship anything out. It is far safer than a check or money order, and is commonly used when doing business in south america. There are several countries there that don't have paypal, by the way. >> ------Original Message------ >> From: George Glastris >> Sender: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request >> Sent: Jan 9, 2009 5:39 AM >> >> Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is usually when >> people demand payment that way. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gregory Cline" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request >> >> >>> Happy new year to all! >>> >>> I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request from a >>> potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants to >>> know >>> if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if this is >>> a >>> potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no >>> experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts >>> welcome. >>> Thanks Gregg Cline >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Fri Jan 9 14:24:48 2009 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 9 14:25:07 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request Message-ID: hi all i have heard also besides the 10000 limit both on sales and the amount of one sale there is also a transactions number they are watching too that is the irs so beware and be careful In a message dated 1/9/2009 4:35:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rich-mail@octoxol.com writes: The interesting thing here is this latest eBay/PayPal mess is the result of scamers using the gullibility of eBay buyers and the governments (state and federal) desire to get their tax money. The stung buyers have howled loudly for "the government to do something" and the government has taken notice of all of the people who have run off at he mouth about how much money they make. So, if over 10,000 gross goes through your eBay account the feds will be notified on a 1099. And by driving most of the business through PayPal they have records now and bureaucracies love paper. And the bottom line is that he cost of doing business for both the buyer and seller has increased quite a bit on eBay due to this. And, yes your confirmed address is your billing address unless you call your CC company/bank and add your shipping address as an alternate. Then change it in PayPal. Mike Stitt wrote: > Interesting about Paypal and other countries. As eBay is PayPal only > (so to speak) I found it interesting when using a buy it now I could > not buy! Tho' PayPay has my bank acct # and CC # I have an unconfirmed > address as my address is a Po Box (no UPS) at home and my shipping > address is at work. If it had been an auction I would have been > pissed. I wrote the buyer who changed his profile to allow shipping to > the unconfirmed address (work). My CC goes to the house btw as it is > prudent not to mix business and hobby.* So now what? Seems if you list > PayPal as the only way to pay you are at it's mercy. A bit of a mess. > I would remind eBay that capitalism has only one master and one master > only..........the buyer. > Take a look at eBay, PayPal is it. I guess you should write the > sellers and ask if other options exist, otherwise eBay's check-out > will put you right to PayPal or in my case maybe not... As a buyer I > find this to be out of line. > Oldcranky. Mike > * Where you're CC bill is mailed has to be your shipping address to be > confirmed as I understand it. > > > 2009/1/9 : >> I use western union all the time with international business. It is safe because you pick up the cash, sent in your name, before you ship anything out. It is far safer than a check or money order, and is commonly used when doing business in south america. There are several countries there that don't have paypal, by the way. >> ------Original Message------ >> From: George Glastris >> Sender: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request >> Sent: Jan 9, 2009 5:39 AM >> >> Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is usually when >> people demand payment that way. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gregory Cline" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request >> >> >>> Happy new year to all! >>> >>> I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request from a >>> potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants to >>> know >>> if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if this is >>> a >>> potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no >>> experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts >>> welcome. >>> Thanks Gregg Cline >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From rich-mail at octoxol.com Fri Jan 9 16:22:41 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Fri Jan 9 16:22:52 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4967EA51.7060505@octoxol.com> Big Brother wants to spread the wealth around and some people have been holding out. Hey are watching the auction sites closely. Your credit card company has to file reports on some amount of transactions so they can search for any hidden income also. Zonophone2006@aol.com wrote: > hi all > i have heard also besides the 10000 limit both on sales and the amount of > one sale there is also a transactions number they are watching too > that is the irs > so beware and be careful > > > In a message dated 1/9/2009 4:35:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rich-mail@octoxol.com writes: > > The interesting thing here is this latest eBay/PayPal mess is the result > of scamers using the gullibility of eBay buyers and the governments > (state and federal) desire to get their tax money. The stung buyers > have howled loudly for "the government to do something" and the > government has taken notice of all of the people who have run off at he > mouth about how much money they make. So, if over 10,000 gross goes > through your eBay account the feds will be notified on a 1099. And by > driving most of the business through PayPal they have records now and > bureaucracies love paper. > > And the bottom line is that he cost of doing business for both the buyer > and seller has increased quite a bit on eBay due to this. > > And, yes your confirmed address is your billing address unless you call > your CC company/bank and add your shipping address as an alternate. > Then change it in PayPal. > > > From valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 00:43:55 2009 From: valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com (valecnik57-purc@yahoo.com) Date: Sat Jan 10 00:50:48 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] 1. Ebay payment request (Gregory Cline) References: <20090109200003.CC29C1100B8@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Message-ID: <415168.51151.qm@web34502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greg, I live in Europe in the Czech Republic. Almost all bill payment here is by wire transfer or in some cases by going to the post office, paying cash and getting a receipt. I'm not totally sure about Western Union but I think it's just another form of wire transfer but once the money hits your accunt I think you are safe. Bruce From john9ten at pacbell.net Sat Jan 10 04:54:42 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten@pacbell.net) Date: Sat Jan 10 04:55:21 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] 1. Ebay payment request (Gregory Cline) Message-ID: <1332774400-1231592106-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-194040091-@bxe358.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> The money doesn't go to your bank account, you pick up the cash at any western union location. They are in many supermarkets at the service desk, many RiteAid stores, I think the UPS Stores have it too. Check the phone book. ------Original Message------ From: valecnik57-purc@yahoo.com Sender: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] 1. Ebay payment request (Gregory Cline) Sent: Jan 10, 2009 12:43 AM Greg, I live in Europe in the Czech Republic. Almost all bill payment here is by wire transfer or in some cases by going to the post office, paying cash and getting a receipt. I'm not totally sure about Western Union but I think it's just another form of wire transfer but once the money hits your accunt I think you are safe. Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From ElCaminoNYC at aol.com Sat Jan 10 17:10:23 2009 From: ElCaminoNYC at aol.com (ElCaminoNYC@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 10 17:10:42 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Mahogany Speartip Message-ID: Hello All, Cleaning out the closets and found some old radio items and a mahogany speartip horn that I want to sell. The horn is refinished and absolutely beautiful---HOWEVER ----there is one problem----it appears to have a school-house neck/collar on the tip of the horn. As a purist this bothered me so I purchased another mahogany horn that is also almost perfect, and have decided to sell the first horn. When you seat the elbow on the horn, the collar sticks out at the large end about 1/2 of am inch. Maybe the horn tip was damaged at one time??? Not sure.....I have many pictures, so if interested please contact me off line at _elcaminonyc@aol.com_ (mailto:elcaminonyc@aol.com) Best regards, Pete **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From antqflea at yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 20:24:02 2009 From: antqflea at yahoo.com (brice paris) Date: Sat Jan 10 20:24:16 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Mahogany Speartip References: Message-ID: <577962.76039.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Pete how much and can you send pictures.? Thanks? brice ________________________________ From: "ElCaminoNYC@aol.com" To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:10:23 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Mahogany Speartip Hello All, Cleaning out the closets and found some old radio items and a mahogany? speartip horn that I want to sell. The horn is refinished and absolutely? beautiful---HOWEVER ----there is one problem----it appears to have a? school-house neck/collar on the tip of the horn. As a purist this bothered me so? I purchased another mahogany horn that is also almost perfect, and have decided? to sell the first horn. When you seat the elbow on the horn, the collar? sticks out at the large end about 1/2 of am inch. Maybe the horn tip was damaged? at one time??? Not sure.....I have many pictures, so if interested please? contact me off line at _elcaminonyc@aol.com_ (mailto:elcaminonyc@aol.com) Best regards, Pete **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From donlk at webtv.net Sun Jan 11 13:19:12 2009 From: donlk at webtv.net (Gridleak) Date: Sun Jan 11 13:26:49 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Concert reproducer question? In-Reply-To: phono-l-request@oldcrank.org's message of Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:00:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <10886-496A6250-6200@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net> How do you remove the outer ring from a Victor Concert reproducer? The one I have has a knurled outer ring.and is not the long throat type . Does it screw off or is it pressed on. Trying to turn it in either direction with modest pressure has not not worked. DON AC7PD From victrola at triton.net Sun Jan 11 14:25:27 2009 From: victrola at triton.net (George) Date: Sun Jan 11 14:25:45 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Concert reproducer question? References: <10886-496A6250-6200@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <3E4F26FADC014305B0764C4C104ACCBA@VALUEDCB7D4C82> Long throat Concerts have to be pressed apart. This process ruins the mica, but it is the only way. I had to make up a hardwood set of dies to accomplish pressed the housings apart. Br careful of the needle bar. the wire has to be de-soldered from the tip and is held to the front housing with one thin tension spring from the inside. George Great Lakes Antique Phonographs ----- Original Message ----- From: Gridleak To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Concert reproducer question? How do you remove the outer ring from a Victor Concert reproducer? The one I have has a knurled outer ring.and is not the long throat type . Does it screw off or is it pressed on. Trying to turn it in either direction with modest pressure has not not worked. DON AC7PD _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From tnnrec at aol.com Mon Jan 12 11:00:39 2009 From: tnnrec at aol.com (tnnrec@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 12 11:06:39 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Vic III, IV, V or VI wanted Message-ID: <8CB42FF31B91F7D-D3C-572@MBLK-M25.sysops.aol.com> looking for a Vic III, IV, V or VI ( or even an earlier Vic for a large horn ) for repair/restoration...........no horn required. Mahogany preferred, but not required If you have a machine for sale, let me know some details...........Pic's and best price would help. Mike From donlk at webtv.net Mon Jan 12 12:43:08 2009 From: donlk at webtv.net (Gridleak) Date: Mon Jan 12 12:43:20 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re Concert Reproducer? In-Reply-To: phono-l-request@oldcrank.org's message of Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:00:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <17793-496BAB5C-1472@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> Thanks George I did find the information in Reiss's book it is not in the early edition which of course is the one I looked at first. The springs holding the styus bar in mine have the ends broken off, Riess talks about replacing these springs with a copper wire. I don't see how this would work very well. In my Concert it looks like this support spring was a pair of "9" shaped things staked to a square slot in the stylus bar. The 9 is as close as I can descibe them on a typewriter. There were definately two of them one from each screw and were overlapped in the stylus bar groove. I plan to replace them with a single piece of music wire. DON AC7PD From john9ten at pacbell.net Mon Jan 12 15:32:58 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Mon Jan 12 15:33:10 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph model B parts needed Message-ID: <641036.31018.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all I picked up an Edison Triumph model B with a 2/4 conversion on it this weekend for resale, and am wondering if anyone has a?bedplate frame (the wood part that the?bedplate screws into), no mater the condition of the finish? This is a nice working machine, but the frame on this one has been broken by the hinges to where I am not sure a repair would be good enough to bear the weight of the motor when you lift the?bedplate up. It is also missing the shaver. It has a model C reproducer, as it was a 2 minute machine, but the H that would have come with the conversion kit is nowhere to be found. Interestingly, the Edison decal was worn and someone but a banner Edison Standard decal over it. If anyone on the list is interested I can send pics, email me privately. General price as is would be $650, price for the list is $550. Once the bedplate frame were replaced and the finish either redone or cleaned up, this would be a nice 2/4 machine! Wasn't there someone who made reproduction frames??? Thanks all John Robles From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Mon Jan 12 16:08:24 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jan 12 16:08:34 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Latest YouTube Video-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers In-Reply-To: <406570073.478741231805294174.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <773704169.478761231805304458.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> For you listening pleasure. Here is my latest youtube effort. >From 1931-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDeg1K8KRAk From klinger at modex.com Mon Jan 12 16:38:51 2009 From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger) Date: Mon Jan 12 16:39:09 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Conference Travel Grants -- Deadline Reminder Message-ID: <6A0D724570BD457E900E0E994AFD29AA@billqbszr49l7m> The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click on the link or e-mail address below. -- ARSC CONFERENCE TRAVEL GRANTS -- Application Deadline: January 16, 2009 The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is now accepting applications for ARSC Conference Travel Grants to be awarded in 2009. Grant recipients are awarded: -- complimentary registration for the entire ARSC Annual Conference -- gratis registration for the Pre-Conference Tour of the new Library of Congress National Audio-Visual Conservation Center, and -- reimbursement up to US$750 to defray the expenses of transportation and lodging. The grant requirements are detailed here: http://www.arsc-audio.org/conference/pdf/travelgrants2009.doc For more information, please e-mail: LouiseS@grammy.com The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals -- everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound. From loran at oldcrank.com Mon Jan 12 18:32:40 2009 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Mon Jan 12 18:32:50 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Latest YouTube Video-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers In-Reply-To: <773704169.478761231805304458.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <773704169.478761231805304458.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <0F76AA4D-7645-42D9-991E-27620FD93FE1@oldcrank.com> Well done, Bruce. But all I saw of you was your hand! Loran On Jan 12, 2009, at 4:08 PM, bruce78rpm@comcast.net wrote: > > > For you listening pleasure. Here is my latest youtube effort. > >> From 1931-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDeg1K8KRAk From esroberto at hotmail.com Mon Jan 12 18:38:00 2009 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Mon Jan 12 18:38:28 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Latest YouTube Video-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers References: <773704169.478761231805304458.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Stunning sound, just gorgeous. I'd rather listen to this than many electrical transcriptions/restorations I've heard! Has anything special been done to your reproducer on this machine? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "78-L" <78-L@78online.com>; "MOCAPS" Cc: "Phono-L" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Latest YouTube Video-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers > > > For you listening pleasure. Here is my latest youtube effort. > >>From 1931-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDeg1K8KRAk > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Mon Jan 12 18:52:58 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jan 12 18:53:09 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Latest YouTube Video-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1359287966.496631231815178681.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Thank you. No, nothing has been done to the reproducer. A friend of mine. an Othophonic specialist, did put some grease around connections at the base of the tone arm where it connects with the horn to block any sound from escaping before it enters the exponential horn. At some point, I need to use the same or similar technique on the sections of the horn as well. Everyone who here's it for the first time, marvels at the splendid sound these Orthophonic Acoustic Phonographs put out. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Wright" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 9:38:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Latest YouTube Video-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers Stunning sound, just gorgeous. I'd rather listen to this than many electrical transcriptions/restorations I've heard! Has anything special been done to your reproducer on this machine? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "78-L" <78-L@78online.com>; "MOCAPS" Cc: "Phono-L" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Latest YouTube Video-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers > > > For you listening pleasure. Here is my latest youtube effort. > >>From 1931-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDeg1K8KRAk > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From edisonphonoworks at hotmail.com Tue Jan 13 16:52:11 2009 From: edisonphonoworks at hotmail.com (Thomas Edison) Date: Tue Jan 13 16:57:26 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] You tube credenza In-Reply-To: <20090113200003.93899117263@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> References: <20090113200003.93899117263@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Message-ID: Very Nice sound. I notice that when you play these electrical records on the machines they are designed for, you really do get the full idea of how they are supposed to sound. I have played some Orthophonic 78s with a Shure 78S and with an early WE magnetic and the older one seems to extract the most high frequency response, and the bass is good too, I run this into an 01a tube and then to the digital recorder,they sound fuller than with the 78S going through Telefunken 12ax7s. These Acoustic machines though, really are remarkable, especially when you look at the diaphragm design, and the outer part flexes like a woofer, for the bass, and the center is domed and has the phase plug just like a tweeter, Some very expensive speakers have domed aluminum tweeter diaphragms and the shape really is not much different even today. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009 From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 19:43:10 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Thu Jan 15 19:43:22 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Edsion S-19 New old stock!! Message-ID: <437096177.899391232077390549.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> This is pretty neat. Someone actually has an uncrated Edison S-19 DD Phonograph for sale. It is still in the original crate which has never been opened. I wonder how many machines like this there are left out there. http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/clt/990912323.html From john9ten at pacbell.net Fri Jan 16 07:01:50 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Fri Jan 16 07:02:02 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Edsion S-19 New old stock!! In-Reply-To: <437096177.899391232077390549.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <747459.29707.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'd take that with a grain of salt. There was a guy who sold a friend of mine (poor sap) a crated and never opened Edison S-19 years ago, and after my friend bought it he found there was the wrong size horn attached to the cabinet and later a friend of the seller told him "Oh yeah he used to open that crate and play the machine all the time". Also the guy would sell phonos that he had cobbled with pieces from others. I almost bought a Victrola XII from him til I noticed the motorboard was a different color from the cabinet. It was oak that had been stained with mahogany stain but it didn't come out quite right. That guy was a thief. John Robles --- On Thu, 1/15/09, bruce78rpm@comcast.net wrote: From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net Subject: [Phono-L] Edsion S-19 New old stock!! To: "Phono-L" , "Phonolist" Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 7:43 PM This is pretty neat. Someone actually has an uncrated Edison S-19 DD Phonograph for sale. It is still in the original crate which has never been opened. I wonder how many machines like this there are left out there. http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/clt/990912323.html _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 10:59:46 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Fri Jan 16 10:59:58 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Edsion S-19 New old stock!! In-Reply-To: <747459.29707.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1674709937.982041232132386902.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Ahh , A phony , flim flaming, phono fanatic, selling crooked crafty crated crummy colored cabinet-ed phonographs, with mismatched maniacal motorboards . ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles " To: "Antique Phonograph List" < phono -l@ oldcrank .org> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:01:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edsion S-19 New old stock!! I'd take that with a grain of salt. There was a guy who sold a friend of mine (poor sap) a crated and never opened Edison S-19 years ago, and after my friend bought it he found there was the wrong size horn attached to the cabinet and later a friend of the seller told him "Oh yeah he used to open that crate and play the machine all the time". Also the guy would sell phonos that he had cobbled with pieces from others. I almost bought a Victrola XII from him til I noticed the motorboard was a different color from the cabinet. It was oak that had been stained with mahogany stain but it didn't come out quite right. That guy was a thief. John Robles --- On Thu, 1/15/09, bruce78rpm@comcast.net wrote: From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net Subject: [Phono-L] Edsion S-19 New old stock!! To: "Phono-L" , " Phonolist " < Phonolist @ yahoogroups .com> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 7:43 PM This is pretty neat. Someone actually has an uncrated Edison S-19 DD Phonograph for sale. It is still in the original crate which has never been opened. I wonder how many machines like this there are left out there. http :// akroncanton . craigslist .org/ clt /990912323. html _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http :// phono -l. oldcrank .org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http :// phono -l. oldcrank .org From john9ten at pacbell.net Fri Jan 16 11:05:19 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten@pacbell.net) Date: Fri Jan 16 11:05:29 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Edsion S-19 New old stock!! Message-ID: <1270843901-1232132716-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1790353165-@bxe358.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Indubitably. ------Original Message------ From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net Sender: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edsion S-19 New old stock!! Sent: Jan 16, 2009 10:59 AM Ahh , A phony , flim flaming, phono fanatic, selling crooked crafty crated crummy colored cabinet-ed phonographs, with mismatched maniacal motorboards . ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles " To: "Antique Phonograph List" < phono -l@ oldcrank .org> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:01:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edsion S-19 New old stock!! I'd take that with a grain of salt. There was a guy who sold a friend of mine (poor sap) a crated and never opened Edison S-19 years ago, and after my friend bought it he found there was the wrong size horn attached to the cabinet and later a friend of the seller told him "Oh yeah he used to open that crate and play the machine all the time". Also the guy would sell phonos that he had cobbled with pieces from others. I almost bought a Victrola XII from him til I noticed the motorboard was a different color from the cabinet. It was oak that had been stained with mahogany stain but it didn't come out quite right. That guy was a thief. John Robles --- On Thu, 1/15/09, bruce78rpm@comcast.net wrote: From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net Subject: [Phono-L] Edsion S-19 New old stock!! To: "Phono-L" , " Phonolist " < Phonolist @ yahoogroups .com> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 7:43 PM This is pretty neat. Someone actually has an uncrated Edison S-19 DD Phonograph for sale. It is still in the original crate which has never been opened. I wonder how many machines like this there are left out there. http :// akroncanton . craigslist .org/ clt /990912323. html _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http :// phono -l. oldcrank .org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http :// phono -l. oldcrank .org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From msprinzen at juno.com Fri Jan 16 12:15:36 2009 From: msprinzen at juno.com (msprinzen@juno.com) Date: Fri Jan 16 12:24:39 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Crank for Nifty Nirona phonograph Message-ID: <20090116.151536.1574.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> I have just recently acquired a Nifty Nirona phonograph that looks original in all respects, but I'm wondering about the crank. If anyone on this list has one of these and would be willing to send me a photo of your crank, I'd be deeply indebted. Please send the photo to me directly at msprinzen@juno.com. Thanks! ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find great prices on contact lenses. Save now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2sCK7oIYi6ryuxKJAa1azskb24UD1gEa3JHC9ze9tYQmeVW/ From klinger at modex.com Fri Jan 16 18:25:38 2009 From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger) Date: Fri Jan 16 18:25:55 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Awards 2009 -- Nominations Reminder Message-ID: <3B8FA954ADF84F8DAD66DDA0909DF317@billqbszr49l7m> The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click on the link or e-mail address below. --- NOMINATIONS for the 2009 ARSC AWARDS FOR EXCELLENCE --- You are invited to propose candidates for the 2009 ARSC Awards for Excellence in Historical Recorded Sound Research. Nominations may be made by anyone, ARSC member or not. The deadline for nominations is January 31, 2009. Eligible publications include any original printed work -- book, monograph, article, liner notes, etc. -- first published during 2008. The work may treat any subject related to recorded sound, but must embody the highest research standards. It should deal primarily with historical subjects, pertaining to periods at least ten years prior to the year of publication, with the exception of works related to modern preservation or playback technology. The ARSC Awards typically recognize histories, discographies, or biographies representing the "Best Research" in these recording genres: Blues or Gospel Music; Classical Music; Country Music; Folk or Ethnic Music; Jazz; Popular Music; Rock, Rhythm & Blues, or Soul; and Spoken Word. Additional categories include: General Research in Recorded Sound; Record Labels or Manufacturers; Phonographs; and Preservation or Reproduction of Recorded Sound. 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Please submit nominations to ONE of the Awards Committee Co-Chairs: Robert Iannapollo Sibley Music Library Eastman School of Music University of Rochester 27 Gibbs St. Rochester, NY 14604-2504 riannapollo@esm.rochester.edu OR: Roberta Freund Schwartz University of Kansas Archive of Recorded Sound 434 Murphy Hall 1530 Naismith Dr. Lawrence, KS 66049 rfschwar@ku.edu 2009 ARSC AWARDS COMMITTEE Robert Iannapollo (Awards Committee Co-Chair) Roberta Freund Schwartz (Awards Committee Co-Chair) David Seubert (ARSC President) James Farrington (Book Review Editor, ARSC Journal) David Hamilton (Classical Music Judge) Kip Lornell (Judge-at-Large) Dan Morgenstern (Jazz Music Judge) William L. Schurk (Popular Music Judge) Richard Spottswood (Judge-at-Large) Additional information about ARSC, including a list of past ARSC Award Winners, may be found at www.arsc-audio.org. The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals -- everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound. From msprinzen at juno.com Sat Jan 17 10:15:46 2009 From: msprinzen at juno.com (msprinzen@juno.com) Date: Sat Jan 17 10:17:53 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Information on Harmograph phongraphs Message-ID: <20090117.131546.27568.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Hi Everyone -- In the past few weeks several people have asked me for scans of my Harmograph phonograph catalog, and I've finally done the work to produce a pdf copy. I'm happy to send it along free to whoever wants it for their personal use (please, not for resale). Note, though, that the file is large (more than 4mb) because I wanted to be sure people could read the details about the motor, parts, etc. You'll need to be sure your email inbox can handle the size. And PLEASE send your request to me directly rather than hitting the "reply" button. Happy New Year! Merle ____________________________________________________________ Market your business online. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2SpftZJfGvvLjXWxjmEZ3ZH1l6pgOkM9ipY7IjAG7xx8Upm/ From victrola at triton.net Sat Jan 17 12:54:29 2009 From: victrola at triton.net (George) Date: Sat Jan 17 12:54:41 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] *** JUNK MAIL ***A rare one 220346638991 Message-ID: <9585CDC0AA9A4D0FA0BA0BDEC37EF861@VALUEDCB7D4C82> This must be extremely rare (-: and the wing nuts are a nice touch!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Sonora-Phonograph-558147_W0QQitemZ220346638991QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_2?hash=item220346638991&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: George VOLLEMA.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 467 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.intellitechcomputing.com/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20090117/46775148/GeorgeVOLLEMA.vcf From steve_noreen at msn.com Sat Jan 17 13:24:17 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sat Jan 17 13:24:28 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] *** JUNK MAIL ***A rare one 220346638991 In-Reply-To: <9585CDC0AA9A4D0FA0BA0BDEC37EF861@VALUEDCB7D4C82> References: <9585CDC0AA9A4D0FA0BA0BDEC37EF861@VALUEDCB7D4C82> Message-ID: Hi George, Do you stock parts for these models? Steve > From: victrola@triton.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:54:29 -0500 > Subject: [Phono-L] *** JUNK MAIL ***A rare one 220346638991 > > This must be extremely rare (-: and the wing nuts are a nice touch!!! > http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Sonora-Phonograph-558147_W0QQitemZ220346638991QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_2?hash=item220346638991&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 From steve_noreen at msn.com Sat Jan 17 13:28:48 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sat Jan 17 13:28:59 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer parts Message-ID: Hello, Who sells the thin red gaskets for the Edison CHK reproducers? Does anyone have the short screws for the type 1 Edison diamond C reproducers hinge blocks? Model that is like small DD reproducer. On the Edison recorders I have seen the gaskets held in place by wax, how is that done? Thanks, Steve From victrola at triton.net Sat Jan 17 13:29:14 2009 From: victrola at triton.net (George) Date: Sat Jan 17 13:29:31 2009 Subject: *** JUNK MAIL ***Re: [Phono-L] *** JUNK MAIL ***A rare one 220346638991 References: <9585CDC0AA9A4D0FA0BA0BDEC37EF861@VALUEDCB7D4C82> Message-ID: Too rare I think! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Medved To: Phono-l Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] *** JUNK MAIL ***A rare one 220346638991 Hi George, Do you stock parts for these models? Steve > From: victrola@triton.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:54:29 -0500 > Subject: [Phono-L] *** JUNK MAIL ***A rare one 220346638991 > > This must be extremely rare (-: and the wing nuts are a nice touch!!! > http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Sonora-Phonograph-558147_W0QQitemZ220346638991QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_2?hash=item220346638991&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rkeuler at verizon.net Sat Jan 17 13:43:07 2009 From: rkeuler at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat Jan 17 13:49:59 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] *** JUNK MAIL ***A rare one 220346638991 In-Reply-To: <9585CDC0AA9A4D0FA0BA0BDEC37EF861@VALUEDCB7D4C82> References: <9585CDC0AA9A4D0FA0BA0BDEC37EF861@VALUEDCB7D4C82> Message-ID: <497250EB.6010309@verizon.net> George, that's one helluva cobble job. You are right, those ARE extremely rare! :-\ ....I do like the two tone cabinet, though, you don't see those very often. Ron K From rvuill at comcast.net Sat Jan 17 14:42:33 2009 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Sat Jan 17 14:42:45 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Phono Accessory References: <20090116.151536.1574.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <0DEEC8B594D246ABBFF873C3E7D6C0EB@your4dacd0ea75> Take a look at this eBay auction # 130280889792. Any of you seen one of these before? If so, can you explain how it works From AllenAmet at aol.com Sat Jan 17 15:24:19 2009 From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 17 15:22:46 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Phono Accessory Message-ID: In a message dated 1/17/2009 5:43:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rvuill@comcast.net writes: Take a look at this eBay auction # 130280889792. Any of you seen one of these before? If so, can you explain how it works ---------------- altho this tone modifier is marked Dec 27, 1904, it is probably the later work of Eugene Robinson. #831,188, listed in PHP. That little knob shifts the sliding cover. allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From gpaul2000 at aol.com Sat Jan 17 15:23:47 2009 From: gpaul2000 at aol.com (gpaul2000@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 17 15:29:12 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Phono Accessory In-Reply-To: <0DEEC8B594D246ABBFF873C3E7D6C0EB@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20090116.151536.1574.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> <0DEEC8B594D246ABBFF873C3E7D6C0EB@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <8CB4711C83D5697-1B8-AD7@WEBMAIL-MZ14.sysops.aol.com> We showed a device similar to this in Gadgets, Gizmos, and Gimmicks.? I think.? Anyhow, it's a volume control that mounts between the soundbox proper and the rubber flange that connects it to the tonearm.? Then, by turning the knob, a thin piece of metal is slid across the sound passage - - volume control! George Paul -----Original Message----- From: Bob To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 5:42 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Phono Accessory Take a look at this eBay auction # 130280889792. Any of you seen one of these before? If so, can you explain how it works? ? _______________________________________________? Phono-L mailing list? http://phono-l.oldcrank.org? From esroberto at hotmail.com Sat Jan 17 15:51:28 2009 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Sat Jan 17 15:51:46 2009 Subject: *** JUNK MAIL ***Re: [Phono-L] *** JUNK MAIL ***A rare one 220346638991 References: <9585CDC0AA9A4D0FA0BA0BDEC37EF861@VALUEDCB7D4C82> <497250EB.6010309@verizon.net> Message-ID: I think there's a boutique shop that's got all the replacement parts for that Sonora except the horn and platter -- Home Depot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] *** JUNK MAIL ***A rare one 220346638991 > George, that's one helluva cobble job. You are right, those ARE extremely > rare! :-\ ....I do like the two tone cabinet, though, you don't see those > very often. > > Ron K > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From gbogantz1 at charter.net Sat Jan 17 16:13:40 2009 From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz) Date: Sat Jan 17 16:15:32 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer parts References: Message-ID: <695415B8DC814F63801CB50354083D65@gbhpa1514n> I've gotten them from APSCO several years ago. I presume they still have them. Greg Bogantz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Medved" To: "phonolist" ; "Phono-l" Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer parts Hello, Who sells the thin red gaskets for the Edison CHK reproducers? Does anyone have the short screws for the type 1 Edison diamond C reproducers hinge blocks? Model that is like small DD reproducer. On the Edison recorders I have seen the gaskets held in place by wax, how is that done? Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Sat Jan 17 16:34:51 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sat Jan 17 16:35:02 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Phono Accessory In-Reply-To: <8CB4711C83D5697-1B8-AD7@WEBMAIL-MZ14.sysops.aol.com> References: <20090116.151536.1574.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> <0DEEC8B594D246ABBFF873C3E7D6C0EB@your4dacd0ea75> <8CB4711C83D5697-1B8-AD7@WEBMAIL-MZ14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: The last one on eBay attached to an Exhibition sold for $247.50. > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Unusual Phono Accessory > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:23:47 -0500 > From: gpaul2000@aol.com > > > We showed a device similar to this in Gadgets, Gizmos, and Gimmicks.? I think.? Anyhow, it's a volume control that mounts between the soundbox proper and the rubber flange that connects it to the tonearm.? Then, by turning the knob, a thin piece of metal is slid across the sound passage - - volume control! > > George Paul > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 5:42 pm > Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Phono Accessory > > > > > > > > > > Take a look at this eBay auction # 130280889792. Any of you seen one of > these before? If so, can you explain how it works? > ? > > _______________________________________________? > > Phono-L mailing list? > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From waltsommers at comcast.net Sat Jan 17 17:04:59 2009 From: waltsommers at comcast.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Sat Jan 17 17:10:22 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Phono Accessory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4972803B.6070305@comcast.net> From waltsommers at comcast.net Sat Jan 17 17:21:18 2009 From: waltsommers at comcast.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Sat Jan 17 17:21:36 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Phono Accessory In-Reply-To: <4972803B.6070305@comcast.net> References: <4972803B.6070305@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4972840E.8070005@comcast.net> Patent 831188 does indeed describe the particular device (a Phonograph Tone Regulator to use the inventor's words) shown in the eBay reference. There are two additional references in the third paragraph of the patent that read: "My invention is in some respects an improvement upon the device of my prior patent No. 778,271, for phonograph issued to me December 27,1904, and as to its principal features is a division of my Application for patent on phonograph, Serial No. 251,470, filed March 22, 1905." The Application for patent on phonograph, Serial No. 251,470, filed March 22, 1905 was issued as patent 813670 on Feb 27, 1906. Patent 83118 was applied for on Dec 30, 1905 and issued on September 18, 1906. The Dec 27, 04 stamp is a reference to the principal invention (778271) described in the early (earliest) patent and not the physical implementation of it described in the later one (831188). All three patents (links below) are the work of Eugene M. Robinson. Here are the three links: Patent 778271: http://www.google.com/patents?id=1I1TAAAAEBAJ&dq=778271 Patent 831188: http://www.google.com/patents?id=DiluAAAAEBAJ&dq=831188 Patent 813670: http://www.google.com/patents?id=I1BEAAAAEBAJ&dq=813670 Walt From svvagans at hotmail.com Sat Jan 17 19:11:01 2009 From: svvagans at hotmail.com (matt hager) Date: Sat Jan 17 19:16:17 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Introduction and first questions Message-ID: Hello all, My name is Matt and I leave in Texas. In the past I have worked on old Tube radios and audio equipment. This is my first try at crank up radios (not all the way true, when I was 9 I took apart an old phonograph). I am looking forward to learning and sharing what I can about old phonographs. Bear with me as I try to describe a part since I don?t know the name of things(is there a diagram with part names), please correct me so I can learn the names. I found a Arophone (I think part of the label is gone) crank up phonograph in the trash. I could tell the main spring was broken. Then I was given a Cecilian crank up phonograph that cranked and turned but the pot metal at the base of the tone arm was shot. So I took them apart and to my surprise they where the same mechanism. Both are made Heineman Flayer. Both of them where full of Hard Dirty Grease I mean full. So I scraped as much as the crap off them as I could a put the whole thing in Diesel Fuel to soak for a few days. Then I took them apart and cleaned them all spotless clean. I lubricated them with Gun Lube, 30 weight and reassembled them. Now to my questions; What do I lube the spring with?When the reproducer sits on the record is perpendicular to it?Does the full weight of the reproducer set on the record?Is there a certain angle the tone arm tracks across the record?Is there a Santa Claus? Thanks for the help??regards, matt _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 From ethanuel1 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 19:47:20 2009 From: ethanuel1 at yahoo.com (wayne holznagel) Date: Sat Jan 17 19:54:14 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Introduction and first questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <911333.47477.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Matt, Welcome to the list.? I would suggest you pick up a copy of The Compleat Talking Machine by Reiss.? It's a great guide to restoring phonographs.? Covers cabinet and motor restoration.? Good investment.? Now, on a different subject . . . a few years ago I scanned an Artophone phonograph parts cabinet to CD and offered copies free to members of the list.? It has pictures of the motor you refer to.? It was a motor that smaller manufacturers would purchase to put in their cabinets.? If you, or any one else, would like one of the cds ?just send me an email offlist to ethanuel1@yahoo.com .? It may take me a few days to make up the copies but I eventually get to them.? The various parts you refer to as well as a wide range of accessories are pictured in this neat little resource.? I think it runs to about 125 pgs all together. <:)> Wayne H ? My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ --- On Sat, 1/17/09, matt hager wrote: From: matt hager Subject: [Phono-L] Introduction and first questions To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 9:11 PM Hello all, My name is Matt and I leave in Texas. In the past I have worked on old Tube radios and audio equipment. This is my first try at crank up radios (not all the way true, when I was 9 I took apart an old phonograph). I am looking forward to learning and sharing what I can about old phonographs. Bear with me as I try to describe a part since I don?t know the name of things(is there a diagram with part names), please correct me so I can learn the names. I found a Arophone (I think part of the label is gone) crank up phonograph in the trash. I could tell the main spring was broken. Then I was given a Cecilian crank up phonograph that cranked and turned but the pot metal at the base of the tone arm was shot. So I took them apart and to my surprise they where the same mechanism. Both are made Heineman Flayer. Both of them where full of Hard Dirty Grease I mean full. So I scraped as much as the crap off them as I could a put the whole thing in Diesel Fuel to soak for a few days. Then I took them apart and cleaned them all spotless clean. I lubricated them with Gun Lube, 30 weight and reassembled them. Now to my questions; What do I lube the spring with?When the reproducer sits on the record is perpendicular to it?Does the full weight of the reproducer set on the record?Is there a certain angle the tone arm tracks across the record?Is there a Santa Claus? Thanks for the help??regards, matt _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009_______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Sat Jan 17 20:24:40 2009 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sat Jan 17 21:25:10 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Introduction and first questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wayne gave you some good advice. Lube the governor bearings with light oil, and put a drop of it on the shaft where the disk moves. Also oil the pads that rub on the governor (the thing with the two or three weights mounted on springs, one end of which is stationary and the other is attached to a disk that slides). If the spring cans are open, spoon in a couple teaspoons of graphite-containing moly grease. I got mine at an auto parts store. Do not try to pull the springs out of the cans. They will unwind and expand with quite a bit of force and have sharp edges.. There were a lot of off-brand phonos that used generic parts. Often furniture stores would sell machines under their own name. You can use JB Weld to recreate missing parts of and repair cast parts of tone arms. E-bay is also a good source for odd parts. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of matt hager Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:11 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Introduction and first questions Hello all, My name is Matt and I leave in Texas. In the past I have worked on old Tube radios and audio equipment. This is my first try at crank up radios (not all the way true, when I was 9 I took apart an old phonograph). I am looking forward to learning and sharing what I can about old phonographs. Bear with me as I try to describe a part since I don't know the name of things(is there a diagram with part names), please correct me so I can learn the names. I found a Arophone (I think part of the label is gone) crank up phonograph in the trash. I could tell the main spring was broken. Then I was given a Cecilian crank up phonograph that cranked and turned but the pot metal at the base of the tone arm was shot. So I took them apart and to my surprise they where the same mechanism. Both are made Heineman Flayer. Both of them where full of Hard Dirty Grease I mean full. So I scraped as much as the crap off them as I could a put the whole thing in Diesel Fuel to soak for a few days. Then I took them apart and cleaned them all spotless clean. I lubricated them with Gun Lube, 30 weight and reassembled them. Now to my questions; What do I lube the spring with?When the reproducer sits on the record is perpendicular to it?Does the full weight of the reproducer set on the record?Is there a certain angle the tone arm tracks across the record?Is there a Santa Claus? Thanks for the help..regards, matt _________________________________________________________________ Windows LiveT: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009____ ___________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sat Jan 17 22:14:40 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sat Jan 17 22:14:50 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4972C8D0.9030304@octoxol.com> Yellow bees wax. Steven Medved wrote: > Hello, > > Who sells the thin red gaskets for the Edison CHK reproducers? > > Does anyone have the short screws for the type 1 Edison diamond C reproducers hinge blocks? > Model that is like small DD reproducer. > > On the Edison recorders I have seen the gaskets held in place by wax, how is that done? > > Thanks, > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From john9ten at pacbell.net Mon Jan 19 16:15:36 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Mon Jan 19 16:15:49 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for Edison cabinet part Message-ID: <691637.26066.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello All Happy MLK Day. I am looking for a bedplate frame for? an Edison Triumph. It is a model B. The current frame has been broken to the point that I don't think it would be strong enough to support the works if I reglued it. Any assistance is appreciated. Does anyone remember the name of the guy that was making new ones? It's not Don Gfell is it?? Thanks and have a great day! John Robles From cdh041 at earthlink.net Mon Jan 19 19:23:44 2009 From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston) Date: Mon Jan 19 19:24:07 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for Edison cabinet part Message-ID: <410-22009122032344796@earthlink.net> It could be. He makes some beautiful wood horns. His outfit is called: "The Sights and Sounds of Edison". He's in Milan, Ohio, sort of in the shadow of Edison's birthplace. > [Original Message] > From: john robles > To: > Date: 1/19/2009 7:16:43 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for Edison cabinet part > > Hello All > Happy MLK Day. > I am looking for a bedplate frame for  an Edison Triumph. It is a model B. The current frame has been broken to the point that I don't think it would be strong enough to support the works if I reglued it. Any assistance is appreciated. > Does anyone remember the name of the guy that was making new ones? It's not Don Gfell is it?? > Thanks and have a great day! > John Robles > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Tue Jan 20 05:39:06 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Tue Jan 20 05:44:28 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Original Victor III Elbow and Crank Wanted - Thanks Message-ID: Hi all. I would like to obtain an original Victor III elbow and slotted crank. Anyone that can assist me, please let me know. Thanks. Brantley Kuglar Williston, S.C. From dan at old-phonographs.com Thu Jan 22 12:39:09 2009 From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Thu Jan 22 12:39:27 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format Message-ID: Anyone else hate the newly enforced ebay My Ebay page format as much as I do? At first I thought, OK, I'll just take a few minutes and figure it out and get it configured to where I like it. An hour later I had most things I didn't want to see (75% of the page) turned off. But, now it's so slow I'm not sure it's worth using. And I haven't been able to find a couple of things I used like categories in the new interface. Anyone else having issues with the new ebay page formats? Dan From mgraziano1 at o-lite.com Thu Jan 22 12:53:30 2009 From: mgraziano1 at o-lite.com (Michael Graziano) Date: Thu Jan 22 12:55:12 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They have to keep the programmers busy..... -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Melvin Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:39 PM To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format Anyone else hate the newly enforced ebay My Ebay page format as much as I do? At first I thought, OK, I'll just take a few minutes and figure it out and get it configured to where I like it. An hour later I had most things I didn't want to see (75% of the page) turned off. But, now it's so slow I'm not sure it's worth using. And I haven't been able to find a couple of things I used like categories in the new interface. Anyone else having issues with the new ebay page formats? Dan _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 12:51:02 2009 From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (buck Buchanan) Date: Thu Jan 22 12:57:57 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <681393.73967.qm@web57508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Daniel, I think the changes are some of the worse things that they could have done. I really hate what they have done to the webpage. I also don't like the way that everybody's ID is now hidden, it makes it impossible to notify a buyer that they are being sold a Victor fake instead of the real thing. Perhaps Ebay did not want us to notify people that they were being taken. Lets face it that would cut into their profit from the sale. You are of course correct when you said that the page is slower. I feel like I am running a 386sx at times. Bill --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Daniel Melvin wrote: From: Daniel Melvin Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format To: "Phono-L@oldcrank.org" Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 3:39 PM Anyone else hate the newly enforced ebay My Ebay page format as much as I do? At first I thought, OK, I'll just take a few minutes and figure it out and get it configured to where I like it. An hour later I had most things I didn't want to see (75% of the page) turned off. But, now it's so slow I'm not sure it's worth using. And I haven't been able to find a couple of things I used like categories in the new interface. Anyone else having issues with the new ebay page formats? Dan _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From gbogantz1 at charter.net Thu Jan 22 13:47:02 2009 From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz) Date: Thu Jan 22 14:26:48 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format References: Message-ID: <5B2F7C004722483CAEE8E75BAA351E09@gbhpa1514n> Glad to hear that somebody else is questioning this. Over the years I've been so disgusted with the frequent crapouts, lockups, and general misbehavior by Macrosh*t Windblows and their Internet Exasperator that I have become accustomed to blaming most of my computer problems on the Bill Gates empire. But I had become more suspicious lately that the S L O O O W response in navigating the new eBay pages just might be an eBay problem. Specifically, coming back from a "saved" search to the "saved searches" page takes 15 seconds EVERY TIME. So much for page caching in your "temporary internet files" harddisc area. EBay has apparently defeated that. What's the use of having a "high speed" internet connection when this stupid thing wastes your time waiting on it EVERY TIME you come back to it? I suspect that eBay is doing a lot of "data mining" from these new pages and their interloper software isn't up to the task of doing all that massive amount of snooping and is slowing the whole process down. I'm getting more and more junk email from places that seem to know what kinds of things I search for on eBay. Hmmmm. Nah, I'm sure it's just a coincidence. And the moon is made of green cheese. :oP Greg Bogantz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Melvin" To: "Phono-L@oldcrank.org" Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format > Anyone else hate the newly enforced ebay My Ebay page format as much as I > do? At first I thought, OK, I'll just take a few minutes and figure it out > and get it configured to where I like it. An hour later I had most things > I > didn't want to see (75% of the page) turned off. But, now it's so slow I'm > not sure it's worth using. And I haven't been able to find a couple of > things I used like categories in the new interface. > > Anyone else having issues with the new ebay page formats? > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Thu Jan 22 15:42:33 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Thu Jan 22 15:40:53 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format - Get That Divorce! Message-ID: Let's face it phono lovers...ebay is not, and will not be what it used to be. Ebay is a great example of a company that was successful in making money and at the same time pleasing it's LOYAL customers. Now, ebay has become a greedy business whose number one goal is to make money, regardless of how it affects the customer. I got a real kick out of this morning's news when there was a story that stated that EVEN ebay is feeling the crunches of this bad economy. The newscaster went on to say that according to ebay, the reason was because there were no big desirable Christmas items this year. No, ebay. That's not the reason. The reason is because some of the customers are getting fed up with the _ _ _ _ that your company is pulling over on them. I have joined several of you on this group that will not sell or buy on ebay. It will take many more of us; but this is the only way that this greedy company is going to face up. Also, have any of you noticed the fraud that has increased with ebay? Examples are the stolen pictures placed with items, people not getting their goods, etc., etc., etc. My hobbies, including phonograph and record collecting, have not suffered one bit from my divorce from ebay. In fact, I find myself spending more time enjoying my collections. Just think, if most people would stop their love affair with ebay, they could enjoy their nice Victor V with a cool Billy Murray singing out the hits! You know...I think ebay really did me a favor. Thanks ebay for your work in causing me to sever my ties with you. The divorce was cheap. It didn't cost me a thing. That's all I got to say. You all take care and as always... Keep 'em running at 78...rpms that is! Brantley Williston, S.C. From ClockworkHome at aol.com Thu Jan 22 15:56:55 2009 From: ClockworkHome at aol.com (ClockworkHome@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 22 15:55:14 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: New Ebay My Ebay format Message-ID: In a message dated 1/22/2009 1:52:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, Bill writes: I also don't like the way that everybody's ID is now hidden, it makes it impossible to notify a buyer that they are being sold a Victor fake instead of the real thing. Amen to that! In the past I would write both sellers and buyers when something was really wrong. Very often the seller would correct the listing but not always. At this very moment there is an Edison early recorder with the side arm turned over so the lettering is on the bottom side and a dual recording/playback styli arm from a Standard Speaker installed with the item listed as a Standard Speaker. The buyer may be a neophyte who jumps at the chance to own such a rare reproducer but has no idea the serial number shows it to be a converted recorder. Since I cannot warn him this sale will go through and he will have bought a put-together kluge. Regards to All, Al PS: Likewise there is a photo of the Edison collection at the Fort Myers Winter Home ending on eBay right now. I emailed the seller with the correction from his listing stating it was an "old phonograph store" photo. I am sure the buyer has no idea and I hope he does not think the Edison machines, many fitted incorrectly with wrong horns, etc., are a guide to how machines should be set up. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From rich-mail at octoxol.com Thu Jan 22 18:13:56 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Thu Jan 22 18:14:07 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <497927E4.40903@octoxol.com> Let me make this perfectly clear, IT SUX! Every week it seems ebay fiddles with some format feature that increases complexity, consumes more bandwidth, and severely decreases usefulness. I do not know who they think they are catering to but its not me. Daniel Melvin wrote: > Anyone else hate the newly enforced ebay My Ebay page format as much as I > do? At first I thought, OK, I'll just take a few minutes and figure it out > and get it configured to where I like it. An hour later I had most things I > didn't want to see (75% of the page) turned off. But, now it's so slow I'm > not sure it's worth using. And I haven't been able to find a couple of > things I used like categories in the new interface. > > Anyone else having issues with the new ebay page formats? > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From AGW1886 at aol.com Thu Jan 22 18:48:02 2009 From: AGW1886 at aol.com (AGW1886@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 22 18:48:18 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format Message-ID: Now it makes sense. My spam mail has tripled since Ebal changed some things. I still use Ebay to buy Edison Records. P.S. Just picked up three great cylinders on Ebay for the outrageous price of one cent plus shipping. Sincerely. Rick A. Jorgensen GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION http://www.geaaonline.org UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KIN CENTRE STORIES http://www.montanaphonograph.com/unclejosh.html ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From 66pony at cox.net Thu Jan 22 18:28:20 2009 From: 66pony at cox.net (Eric Boyles) Date: Thu Jan 22 18:49:45 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format In-Reply-To: <497927E4.40903@octoxol.com> References: <497927E4.40903@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <49792B44.5080409@cox.net> Which is being reflected in their stock price........ the only thing the new management understands......it's continued decline may actually resort to the original business model..... or least my hopes....... they are trying to compete with Amazon and getting their but kicked! Rich wrote: > Let me make this perfectly clear, IT SUX! Every week it seems ebay > fiddles with some format feature that increases complexity, consumes > more bandwidth, and severely decreases usefulness. I do not know who > they think they are catering to but its not me. > > Daniel Melvin wrote: >> Anyone else hate the newly enforced ebay My Ebay page format as much >> as I >> do? At first I thought, OK, I'll just take a few minutes and figure >> it out >> and get it configured to where I like it. An hour later I had most >> things I >> didn't want to see (75% of the page) turned off. But, now it's so >> slow I'm >> not sure it's worth using. And I haven't been able to find a couple of >> things I used like categories in the new interface. >> >> Anyone else having issues with the new ebay page formats? >> >> Dan >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Thu Jan 22 18:57:41 2009 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Thu Jan 22 18:57:53 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format In-Reply-To: <497927E4.40903@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <788947.40713.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey Guys, Check out? ebay under phonograph horn!!!!! You'll see a rear mount Talkophone with a Columbia motor, a cut down Searchlight horn, with a crane!!!!!!! I have been divorced from ebay for 1 1/2 years now. That new format even for guests suck. I still look for entertainment purposes. The way these descriptions are written, I wonder if these people went to school. There is nothing on TV, so I'll laugh at ebay. Harvey P. Kravitz --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Rich wrote: From: Rich Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 6:13 PM Let me make this perfectly clear, IT SUX! Every week it seems ebay fiddles with some format feature that increases complexity, consumes more bandwidth, and severely decreases usefulness. I do not know who they think they are catering to but its not me. Daniel Melvin wrote: > Anyone else hate the newly enforced ebay My Ebay page format as much as I > do? At first I thought, OK, I'll just take a few minutes and figure it out > and get it configured to where I like it. An hour later I had most things I > didn't want to see (75% of the page) turned off. But, now it's so slow I'm > not sure it's worth using. And I haven't been able to find a couple of > things I used like categories in the new interface. > > Anyone else having issues with the new ebay page formats? > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From KEEPERH2O at aol.com Thu Jan 22 21:21:36 2009 From: KEEPERH2O at aol.com (KEEPERH2O@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 22 21:21:53 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format - Get That Divorce! Message-ID: In a message dated 1/22/2009 4:04:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, Kuglarb@wmconnect.com writes: Let's face it phono lovers...ebay is not, and will not be what it used to be. Ebay is a great example of a company that was successful in making money and at the same time pleasing it's LOYAL customers. Now, ebay has become a greedy business whose number one goal is to make money, regardless of how it affects the customer. I got a real kick out of this morning's news when there was a story that stated that EVEN ebay is feeling the crunches of this bad economy. The newscaster went on to say that according to ebay, the reason was because there were no big desirable Christmas items this year. No, ebay. That's not the reason. The reason is because some of the customers are getting fed up with the _ _ _ _ that your company is pulling over on them. I have joined several of you on this group that will not sell or buy on ebay. It will take many more of us; but this is the only way that this greedy company is going to face up. Also, have any of you noticed the fraud that has increased with ebay? Examples are the stolen pictures placed with items, people not getting their goods, etc., etc., etc. My hobbies, including phonograph and record collecting, have not suffered one bit from my divorce from ebay. In fact, I find myself spending more time enjoying my collections. Just think, if most people would stop their love affair with ebay, they could enjoy their nice Victor V with a cool Billy Murray singing out the hits! You know...I think ebay really did me a favor. Thanks ebay for your work in causing me to sever my ties with you. The divorce was cheap. It didn't cost me a thing. That's all I got to say. You all take care and as always... Keep 'em running at 78...rpms that is! Brantley Williston, S.C. _______________________________________________ I'm with ye, Brantly! I haven't used e-bay (other than for entertainment, a la Harvey K) since they went to Pay Pal or Nada. Now, Nada n' I will go play a record on a Victor Talking Machine and we will enjoy the music. See y'all later! Edward, in Zigzag **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From jim at phono-phixer.com Thu Jan 22 20:56:28 2009 From: jim at phono-phixer.com (JimK) Date: Thu Jan 22 21:52:13 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format References: Message-ID: <002001c97d16$f5de9f50$0a00a8c0@Jim> I agree, it sucks. When they first let this 'new format' out in the wild, I opted back out, quickly as I hated it. Now I see that you cant go back to the old way, but will have to put up with it. Google mail did the same thing a few weeks ago, and a lot of people complained. It's no wonder we all need high speed internet these days for web pages, oh yeah, and Utube to watch phonograph videos :) The old saying still holds true - New is not always better.... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Melvin" To: "Phono-L@oldcrank.org" Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format > Anyone else hate the newly enforced ebay My Ebay page format as much as I > do? At first I thought, OK, I'll just take a few minutes and figure it out > and get it configured to where I like it. An hour later I had most things > I > didn't want to see (75% of the page) turned off. But, now it's so slow I'm > not sure it's worth using. And I haven't been able to find a couple of > things I used like categories in the new interface. > > Anyone else having issues with the new ebay page formats? > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rich-mail at octoxol.com Fri Jan 23 09:42:06 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Fri Jan 23 09:42:26 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay opera auction that was a photo In-Reply-To: <410-22009152191742453@earthlink.net> References: <410-22009152191742453@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <497A016E.5070809@octoxol.com> Remember that auction where the seller was auctioning a photograph and claimed it was research? We have results. http://reviews.ebay.com/SHOCKING-TRUTH-about-bidding_W0QQugidZ10000000009959117 From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 11:24:06 2009 From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (buck Buchanan) Date: Fri Jan 23 11:30:53 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay opera auction that was a photo In-Reply-To: <497A016E.5070809@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <470290.71637.qm@web57507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I just sent the person a note about what he did and how I felt about it. If you follow the guide back it will take you to the person's ebay information. I think we all should let him know what we thought about his so called failed study. The information that he obtained with using the phonograph is really flawed and he should be told about that. Thank you Bill --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Rich wrote: From: Rich Subject: [Phono-L] eBay opera auction that was a photo To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 12:42 PM Remember that auction where the seller was auctioning a photograph and claimed it was research? We have results. http://reviews.ebay.com/SHOCKING-TRUTH-about-bidding_W0QQugidZ10000000009959117 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 11:48:35 2009 From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (buck Buchanan) Date: Fri Jan 23 11:48:47 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! Message-ID: <913909.14961.qm@web57515.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I just received this email from a seller. He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. His ebay ID is?? firebirdologist This was his message to me: Hi! It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the same. All the best, Randy This will be my reply: Randy, Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am joining a growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves it for the buyer. My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method that you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what you would like with his feed back. Thank you? Bill From chrisk33 at cox.net Fri Jan 23 12:08:46 2009 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (chrisk33@cox.net) Date: Fri Jan 23 12:08:56 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! Message-ID: <20090123150846.5YV5U.338913.imail@eastrmwml09> I've got a high feedback rating -- over 1400 somewhere -- but I have never once asked anyone to leave me feedback. If I had some for every transaction it would be quite a bit higher. I refuse to ask for it and I instinctively resent being asked for it. Nevertheless I understand the need that some people have to receive it. I once sold a rare 12" 78 jazz record set to a fellow in Japan. He wrote me back that it was in stupendous condition, much better than he expected, and that my packing job was the best he had ever seen. It would have been nice to see that in my feedback, because I didn't have any from record buyers and having had some like that might have boosted the confidence of collectors to bid on my item. So I sympathize with sellers who would like some public recognition for doing their part well. For a time I didn't bother leaving any feedback. These days I always get around to leaving it just as a matter of cleaning up the reminder on my eBay page. I don't always get it in return. C'est la vie. Chris ---- buck Buchanan wrote: > I just received this email from a seller. > He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. > His ebay ID is?? firebirdologist > > This was his message to me: > > Hi! > > It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will > happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the > same. > > All the best, > > Randy > > This will be my reply: > > Randy, > Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from the seller is being withheld as a hostage. > Because of this I am joining a growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves it for the buyer. > My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. > You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method that you are trying on me now. > Thank you Bill > > Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what you would like with his feed back. > > Thank you? Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Fri Jan 23 12:43:51 2009 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten@pacbell.net) Date: Fri Jan 23 12:43:33 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! In-Reply-To: <20090123150846.5YV5U.338913.imail@eastrmwml09> References: <20090123150846.5YV5U.338913.imail@eastrmwml09> Message-ID: <1036690803-1232743399-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1597788808-@bxe183.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I rely on feedback when deciding on whether to bid on an item. When selling, I always leave feedback as soon as payment is received. If someobe doesn't leave me feedback, oh well! John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:08:46 To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! I've got a high feedback rating -- over 1400 somewhere -- but I have never once asked anyone to leave me feedback. If I had some for every transaction it would be quite a bit higher. I refuse to ask for it and I instinctively resent being asked for it. Nevertheless I understand the need that some people have to receive it. I once sold a rare 12" 78 jazz record set to a fellow in Japan. He wrote me back that it was in stupendous condition, much better than he expected, and that my packing job was the best he had ever seen. It would have been nice to see that in my feedback, because I didn't have any from record buyers and having had some like that might have boosted the confidence of collectors to bid on my item. So I sympathize with sellers who would like some public recognition for doing their part well. For a time I didn't bother leaving any feedback. These days I always get around to leaving it just as a matter of cleaning up the reminder on my eBay page. I don't always get it in return. C'est la vie. Chris ---- buck Buchanan wrote: > I just received this email from a seller. > He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. > His ebay ID is?? firebirdologist > > This was his message to me: > > Hi! > > It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will > happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the > same. > > All the best, > > Randy > > This will be my reply: > > Randy, > Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from the seller is being withheld as a hostage. > Because of this I am joining a growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves it for the buyer. > My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. > You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method that you are trying on me now. > Thank you Bill > > Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what you would like with his feed back. > > Thank you? Bill > >_______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From waltsommers at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 12:50:18 2009 From: waltsommers at comcast.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Fri Jan 23 12:55:34 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay opera auction that was a photo In-Reply-To: <470290.71637.qm@web57507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <470290.71637.qm@web57507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <497A2D8A.1010400@comcast.net> A study? I think not. The seller got caught (by potential buyers and other observers like us) doing nothing more than running scams. The guide he wrote on eBay is a 5-year old child's transparent attempt to cover his tracks once he was caught. He ended them all because he was getting heat - and not just from the phonograph world. The seller had other listings (not phonographs) at the same time and some of those are now being discussed in various internet forums. He was able to end them before eBay had to get involved, and something makes me think that eBay is now looking into the situation right now. Even if the guide he crafted to try to justify himself had been more carefully written with good grammar and diction, it still remains that he intentionally misrepresented items for sale. The "guide" he wrote appeared within hours of his user id popping up all over the internet - curious, isn't it? There is no way this describes a legitimate survey. The owner of the pictures would have had to grant permission for them to be used and we know that never happened. One of the single most valuable parts of a legitimate survey of this type would be to ascertain not so much whether there are fish nibbling on your bait (which is where he ended it) but whether you can sink that big hook and pull that 3 foot muskie out of the lake. Without an actual payment from someone there is no way that a survey could be said to be complete let alone successful. Not to mention that the text looks like it was thumbed-out on a blackberry and not quite re-formatted for full screen width. That seller will never object to people telling him that they did not like his survey or methodology: he is just glad that he hasn't [yet] been caught and charged with the crimes he committed. buck Buchanan wrote: > I just sent the person a note about what he did and how I felt about it. > If you follow the guide back it will take you to the person's ebay information. > I think we all should let him know what we thought about his so called failed study. > The information that he obtained with using the phonograph is really flawed and he should be told about that. > > Thank you > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Rich wrote: > From: Rich > Subject: [Phono-L] eBay opera auction that was a photo > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 12:42 PM > > Remember that auction where the seller was auctioning a photograph and claimed > it was research? We have results. > http://reviews.ebay.com/SHOCKING-TRUTH-about-bidding_W0QQugidZ10000000009959117 > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 7:28 AM > > From rich-mail at octoxol.com Fri Jan 23 14:00:01 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Fri Jan 23 14:00:16 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! In-Reply-To: <913909.14961.qm@web57515.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <913909.14961.qm@web57515.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <497A3DE1.6020704@octoxol.com> You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as a 1. If they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. buck Buchanan wrote: > I just received this email from a seller. > He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. > His ebay ID is firebirdologist > > This was his message to me: > > Hi! > > It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will > happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the > same. > > All the best, > > Randy > > This will be my reply: > > Randy, > Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from the seller is being withheld as a hostage. > Because of this I am joining a growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves it for the buyer. > My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. > You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method that you are trying on me now. > Thank you Bill > > Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what you would like with his feed back. > > Thank you Bill > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 14:31:20 2009 From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (buck Buchanan) Date: Fri Jan 23 14:31:32 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! In-Reply-To: <497A3DE1.6020704@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <921276.708.qm@web57511.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I know that you can damage the seller's standing with Ebay and this bothers me even more because this person has to know this as well. Even when I am not happy I don't leave a bad report but this person has told me that he will not hesitate in leaving one? for me if I am not happy with him. This is like shooting yourself in the foot, and I have to wonder about somebody that has to hold your feedback as hostage. Maybe you as another seller should tell this person that his message is being taken as if he was holding the feedback as hostage unless he gets what he wants from his buyers. And I will be honest with you I don't believe I will ever buy from him again and I will not be recommending him to anybody I know. Bill --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Rich wrote: From: Rich Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:00 PM You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as a 1. If they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. buck Buchanan wrote: > I just received this email from a seller. > He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. > His ebay ID is firebirdologist > > This was his message to me: > > Hi! > > It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will > happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the > same. > > All the best, > > Randy > > This will be my reply: > > Randy, > Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am joining a growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves it for the buyer. > My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. > You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method that you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill > > Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what you would like with his feed back. > > Thank you Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Fri Jan 23 14:35:34 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Fri Jan 23 14:35:44 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format In-Reply-To: <002001c97d16$f5de9f50$0a00a8c0@Jim> References: <002001c97d16$f5de9f50$0a00a8c0@Jim> Message-ID: Hello Jim, Like you I opted out. The problem is when some moron makes a change for the sake of change that has no benefit. I have never been a big eBay fan, they only care when it hits them in the wallet. They are rapidly removing all the positive aspects of doing business with them, but because of reproducer research I will continue to watch and buy. I think if they would have given the option to keep the old format they could have gotten an accurate idea of what people thought of the change, but as long as they make money they will not care. I enjoyed and agree with your post. Steve 22:56:28 -0600 > > I agree, it sucks. When they first let this 'new format' out in the wild, I > opted back out, quickly as I hated it. Now I see that you cant go back to > the old way, but will have to put up with it. Google mail did the same thing > a few weeks ago, and a lot of people complained. It's no wonder we all need > high speed internet these days for web pages, oh yeah, and Utube to watch > phonograph videos :) The old saying still holds true - New is not always > better.... > > Jim > From smstitt at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 14:32:36 2009 From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt) Date: Fri Jan 23 14:41:03 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! In-Reply-To: <497A3DE1.6020704@octoxol.com> References: <913909.14961.qm@web57515.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <497A3DE1.6020704@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <7e8e90ff0901231432l7aabf786n72318f05cbf68713@mail.gmail.com> I rarely sell on eBay or buy for that matter. It is common knowledge I guess, sellers cannot leave negative feedback. This may explain why they wait on the buyer. oldcranky On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Rich wrote: > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as a 1. > If they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > > buck Buchanan wrote: > >> I just received this email from a seller. >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist >> >> This was his message to me: >> >> Hi! >> >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the >> same. >> >> All the best, >> >> Randy >> >> This will be my reply: >> >> Randy, >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from >> the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am joining a >> growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves it >> for the buyer. >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method that >> you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill >> >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to >> send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what you >> would like with his feed back. >> >> Thank you Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From dan at old-phonographs.com Fri Jan 23 14:44:36 2009 From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Fri Jan 23 14:44:48 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! In-Reply-To: <7e8e90ff0901231432l7aabf786n72318f05cbf68713@mail.gmail.com> References: <913909.14961.qm@web57515.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <497A3DE1.6020704@octoxol.com> <7e8e90ff0901231432l7aabf786n72318f05cbf68713@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have only been a buyer on ebay and a few months ago stopped leaving feedback to any seller that did not leave me feedback first. It's a matter of fairness. If they recieved my payment and sent the item, then they should leave me positive feedback. If they don't, I just don't leave feedback at all. I did leave feedback religously in the past. But with all the stupid star ratings and sellers that often never leave feedback, I just pulled back and decided to more or less ignore the whole thing. They have stopped meaning anything with recent changes anyway. dan On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Mike Stitt wrote: > I rarely sell on eBay or buy for that matter. It is common knowledge I > guess, sellers cannot leave negative feedback. This may explain why they > wait on the buyer. > oldcranky > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Rich wrote: > > > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as a > 1. > > If they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > > > > > buck Buchanan wrote: > > > >> I just received this email from a seller. > >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. > >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist > >> > >> This was his message to me: > >> > >> Hi! > >> > >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will > >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the > >> same. > >> > >> All the best, > >> > >> Randy > >> > >> This will be my reply: > >> > >> Randy, > >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from > >> the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am joining > a > >> growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves > it > >> for the buyer. > >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. > >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method > that > >> you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill > >> > >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to > >> send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what > you > >> would like with his feed back. > >> > >> Thank you Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From waltsommers at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 15:37:17 2009 From: waltsommers at comcast.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Fri Jan 23 15:37:31 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! In-Reply-To: <497A3DE1.6020704@octoxol.com> References: <913909.14961.qm@web57515.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <497A3DE1.6020704@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <497A54AD.8000807@comcast.net> This is why I love going to shows instead of online venues: meeting people, digging through junk, shaking hands, talking, getting to know people, etc... If you leave feedback, do so honestly. If he sent it in a timely fashion and it was what you expected, then nailing him with low DSR ratings is dishonest. I, too, object to the notion of demanding feedback and have never asked for someone to leave it for me in 10 years and over 5,000 sales but that has never been cause for me to act in a retaliatory manner (tempted though I was a few times). Thankfully I have always found that I am in fact a much bigger man than that. I just dump the emotional stigma of having been made to feel extorted and I always leave the feedback I had intended anyway. I treat them, so much as I am able, in the kind and generous way that I would prefer to be treated. This is always the correct course because it satisfies my conscience in an objective manner and is far more profitable to me and others. Just because people are mean, unpleasant, pushy, rude, etc. is never a reason for me to emulate their behavior. If some mean guy sends me some phonograph parts that I bought from him and they show up in a timely fashion and in the condition I was anticipating, that's a positive rating with across the board 4.0 DSR ratings, even if he plays the feedback hostage-extortion game. If they had a check box to rate personalities there might be an honest reason to leave a 1.0, but otherwise, I've got genuinely better things to do. It is not the pushy hustle-bustle people whose lack of business and interpersonal skills are so weak that they cannot say thank you without being thanked first that bug me: people like that have always been around and they are easy to work with really. It is far worse and more damaging when someone willfully misrepresents or encourages another to knowingly misrepresent products and services as a way of damaging that person simply to satisfy an emotional urge. (BTW: Sgt Bill, I found an original instruction sheet for the VV 2-65 that you need so you don't have to make do with the VV 2-55 sheet I was going to send. I hope to get the copies tomorrow. They will be in the mail probably Monday.) - Walt Rich wrote: > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as > a 1. If they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > buck Buchanan wrote: >> I just received this email from a seller. >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist >> >> This was his message to me: >> >> Hi! >> >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the >> same. >> >> All the best, >> >> Randy >> >> This will be my reply: >> >> Randy, >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back >> from the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am >> joining a growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that >> first leaves it for the buyer. >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method >> that you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill >> >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails >> to send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do >> what you would like with his feed back. >> >> Thank you Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 7:28 AM > > From rcowen at sciencenews.org Fri Jan 23 16:17:44 2009 From: rcowen at sciencenews.org (rcowen@sciencenews.org) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:27:07 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! In-Reply-To: References: <913909.14961.qm@web57515.mail.re1.yahoo.com><497A3DE1.6020704@octoxol.com><7e8e90ff0901231432l7aabf786n72318f05cbf68713@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <490167901-1232756241-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-67829347-@bxe163.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Melvin Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:44:36 To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! I have only been a buyer on ebay and a few months ago stopped leaving feedback to any seller that did not leave me feedback first. It's a matter of fairness. If they recieved my payment and sent the item, then they should leave me positive feedback. If they don't, I just don't leave feedback at all. I did leave feedback religously in the past. But with all the stupid star ratings and sellers that often never leave feedback, I just pulled back and decided to more or less ignore the whole thing. They have stopped meaning anything with recent changes anyway. dan On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Mike Stitt wrote: > I rarely sell on eBay or buy for that matter. It is common knowledge I > guess, sellers cannot leave negative feedback. This may explain why they > wait on the buyer. > oldcranky > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Rich wrote: > > > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as a > 1. > > If they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > > > > > buck Buchanan wrote: > > > >> I just received this email from a seller. > >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. > >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist > >> > >> This was his message to me: > >> > >> Hi! > >> > >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will > >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the > >> same. > >> > >> All the best, > >> > >> Randy > >> > >> This will be my reply: > >> > >> Randy, > >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from > >> the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am joining > a > >> growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves > it > >> for the buyer. > >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. > >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method > that > >> you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill > >> > >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to > >> send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what > you > >> would like with his feed back. > >> > >> Thank you Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rcowen at sciencenews.org Fri Jan 23 16:18:13 2009 From: rcowen at sciencenews.org (rcowen@sciencenews.org) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:27:40 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! In-Reply-To: References: <913909.14961.qm@web57515.mail.re1.yahoo.com><497A3DE1.6020704@octoxol.com><7e8e90ff0901231432l7aabf786n72318f05cbf68713@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141943557-1232756272-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1032444043-@bxe163.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Melvin Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:44:36 To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! I have only been a buyer on ebay and a few months ago stopped leaving feedback to any seller that did not leave me feedback first. It's a matter of fairness. If they recieved my payment and sent the item, then they should leave me positive feedback. If they don't, I just don't leave feedback at all. I did leave feedback religously in the past. But with all the stupid star ratings and sellers that often never leave feedback, I just pulled back and decided to more or less ignore the whole thing. They have stopped meaning anything with recent changes anyway. dan On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Mike Stitt wrote: > I rarely sell on eBay or buy for that matter. It is common knowledge I > guess, sellers cannot leave negative feedback. This may explain why they > wait on the buyer. > oldcranky > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Rich wrote: > > > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as a > 1. > > If they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > > > > > buck Buchanan wrote: > > > >> I just received this email from a seller. > >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. > >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist > >> > >> This was his message to me: > >> > >> Hi! > >> > >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will > >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the > >> same. > >> > >> All the best, > >> > >> Randy > >> > >> This will be my reply: > >> > >> Randy, > >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from > >> the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am joining > a > >> growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves > it > >> for the buyer. > >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. > >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method > that > >> you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill > >> > >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to > >> send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what > you > >> would like with his feed back. > >> > >> Thank you Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 16:27:25 2009 From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (buck Buchanan) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:34:19 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! In-Reply-To: <497A54AD.8000807@comcast.net> Message-ID: <408434.65935.qm@web57503.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Walt, Great to hear from you. I wish I could go to the show in Orlando tomorrow but maybe next time. I have only left one bad rating for a person and that was because of fraud on his part. I was not the only person, ebay had to remove him. I have been using ebay for several years, I used to purchase items for the company I worked for on ebay and after all these years I only left one bad feedback, I've had chances to leave much more but I know how things can be. I used to work a flea market booth and somethimes things just don't work out the way that you would like them to. Thanks to the advice of another person? I sent him an email telling him that I only leave feedback for those who leave it for me first. I would never leave a bad feed back because the person was a jerk, some of my best friends at one time or another can be jerks that's just life. On another note thank you for finding the book but, I own a VV2-35. Are they close in design? I'm so sorry. Thank you so much. Bill --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Walt Sommers wrote: From: Walt Sommers Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 6:37 PM This is why I love going to shows instead of online venues: meeting people, digging through junk, shaking hands, talking, getting to know people, etc.... If you leave feedback, do so honestly. If he sent it in a timely fashion and it was what you expected, then nailing him with low DSR ratings is dishonest. I, too, object to the notion of demanding feedback and have never asked for someone to leave it for me in 10 years and over 5,000 sales but that has never been cause for me to act in a retaliatory manner (tempted though I was a few times). Thankfully I have always found that I am in fact a much bigger man than that. I just dump the emotional stigma of having been made to feel extorted and I always leave the feedback I had intended anyway. I treat them, so much as I am able, in the kind and generous way that I would prefer to be treated. This is always the correct course because it satisfies my conscience in an objective manner and is far more profitable to me and others. Just because people are mean, unpleasant, pushy, rude, etc. is never a reason for me to emulate their behavior. If some mean guy sends me some phonograph parts that I bought from him and they show up in a timely fashion and in the condition I was anticipating, that's a positive rating with across the board 4.0 DSR ratings, even if he plays the feedback hostage-extortion game. If they had a check box to rate personalities there might be an honest reason to leave a 1.0, but otherwise, I've got genuinely better things to do. It is not the pushy hustle-bustle people whose lack of business and interpersonal skills are so weak that they cannot say thank you without being thanked first that bug me: people like that have always been around and they are easy to work with really. It is far worse and more damaging when someone willfully misrepresents or encourages another to knowingly misrepresent products and services as a way of damaging that person simply to satisfy an emotional urge. (BTW: Sgt Bill, I found an original instruction sheet for the VV 2-65 that you need so you don't have to make do with the VV 2-55 sheet I was going to send. I hope to get the copies tomorrow. They will be in the mail probably Monday.) - Walt Rich wrote: > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as a 1.. If they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > buck Buchanan wrote: >> I just received this email from a seller. >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist >> >> This was his message to me: >> >> Hi! >> >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the >> same. >> >> All the best, >> >> Randy >> >> This will be my reply: >> >> Randy, >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am joining a growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves it for the buyer. >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method that you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill >> >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what you would like with his feed back. >> >> Thank you Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 7:28 AM > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rich-mail at octoxol.com Fri Jan 23 16:56:57 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:57:11 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! In-Reply-To: <921276.708.qm@web57511.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <921276.708.qm@web57511.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <497A6759.1010200@octoxol.com> Feedback blackmail is not allowed. report it to eBay and be done with him. He can not leave you negative feedback no matter what. buck Buchanan wrote: > I know that you can damage the seller's standing with Ebay and this bothers me even more because this person has to know this as well. > Even when I am not happy I don't leave a bad report but this person has told me that he will not hesitate in leaving one for me if I am not happy with him. > This is like shooting yourself in the foot, and I have to wonder about somebody that has to hold your feedback as hostage. > Maybe you as another seller should tell this person that his message is being taken as if he was holding the feedback as hostage unless he gets what he wants from his buyers. > > And I will be honest with you I don't believe I will ever buy from him again and I will not be recommending him to anybody I know. > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Rich wrote: > From: Rich > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:00 PM > > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as a 1. If > they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > buck Buchanan wrote: >> I just received this email from a seller. >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist >> >> This was his message to me: >> >> Hi! >> >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the >> same. >> >> All the best, >> >> Randy >> >> This will be my reply: >> >> Randy, >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from > the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am joining a > growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves it for > the buyer. >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method that > you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to > send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what you would > like with his feed back. >> Thank you Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 17:33:22 2009 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Fri Jan 23 17:33:35 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay opera auction that was a photo In-Reply-To: <497A2D8A.1010400@comcast.net> Message-ID: <15881.84238.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Walt, Do you sell off ebay? I quit because of all the BS you have to deal with. I was Phonofreak 56. You have some really nice parts. All the best, Harvey P. Kravitz --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Walt Sommers wrote: From: Walt Sommers Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay opera auction that was a photo To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 12:50 PM A study? I think not. The seller got caught (by potential buyers and other observers like us) doing nothing more than running scams. The guide he wrote on eBay is a 5-year old child's transparent attempt to cover his tracks once he was caught. He ended them all because he was getting heat - and not just from the phonograph world. The seller had other listings (not phonographs) at the same time and some of those are now being discussed in various internet forums. He was able to end them before eBay had to get involved, and something makes me think that eBay is now looking into the situation right now. Even if the guide he crafted to try to justify himself had been more carefully written with good grammar and diction, it still remains that he intentionally misrepresented items for sale. The "guide" he wrote appeared within hours of his user id popping up all over the internet - curious, isn't it? There is no way this describes a legitimate survey. The owner of the pictures would have had to grant permission for them to be used and we know that never happened. One of the single most valuable parts of a legitimate survey of this type would be to ascertain not so much whether there are fish nibbling on your bait (which is where he ended it) but whether you can sink that big hook and pull that 3 foot muskie out of the lake. Without an actual payment from someone there is no way that a survey could be said to be complete let alone successful. Not to mention that the text looks like it was thumbed-out on a blackberry and not quite re-formatted for full screen width. That seller will never object to people telling him that they did not like his survey or methodology: he is just glad that he hasn't [yet] been caught and charged with the crimes he committed. buck Buchanan wrote: > I just sent the person a note about what he did and how I felt about it. > If you follow the guide back it will take you to the person's ebay information. > I think we all should let him know what we thought about his so called failed study. > The information that he obtained with using the phonograph is really flawed and he should be told about that. > > Thank you > Bill > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Rich wrote: > From: Rich > Subject: [Phono-L] eBay opera auction that was a photo > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 12:42 PM > > Remember that auction where the seller was auctioning a photograph and claimed > it was research? We have results. > http://reviews.ebay.com/SHOCKING-TRUTH-about-bidding_W0QQugidZ10000000009959117 > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 7:28 AM > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From RROCRREC at aol.com Fri Jan 23 17:44:10 2009 From: RROCRREC at aol.com (RROCRREC@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 23 17:44:29 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 16 Message-ID: Regarding Ebay I can see and understand all of the comments. I must say though that when you are trying to complete a collection of hard to find cylinders that Ebay since founding has been a source of many of those cylinders in the set that I needed. Please do not think I support the recent changes in there protocol but I am sort of a hostage. That one person in some distant place (or maybe next door) my have the final two or three cylinders I need to finish my quest. I have to keep all my options open and while I would really like to tell Ebay what to do I simply cannot without running the risk of missing that one posting that made the difference. In my case after trying to complete this set for 40+ years I am running out of time so options are not an option (does that make sense?) I do, however, totally agree about the "hostage" comment about feedback. That was a well done posting I will (with author permission of course) be using the same language. I bid, I pay ASAP, I get the item. Seems like the seller should say thanks not hold a gun to my head and say "your better buddy." I am pleased to be a member of this group though I say little but I really do read each posting and respect the position of each member. May you all find that one-of-a-kind in 2009. Larry Hawes Columbia BC Nut Case **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From AGW1886 at aol.com Fri Jan 23 18:17:25 2009 From: AGW1886 at aol.com (AGW1886@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 23 18:22:41 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay opera auction that was a photo Message-ID: In a message dated 1/23/2009 9:43:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, rich-mail@octoxol.com writes: > Remember that auction where the seller was auctioning a photograph and > claimed it was research? We have results. > http://reviews.ebay.com/SHOCKING-TRUTH-about-bidding_W0QQugidZ100000000099591 > 17 > It's a good lesson but that guy's got Bad Grammer. Did'ja notice? Sincerely. Rick A. Jorgensen GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION http://www.geaaonline.org UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KIN CENTRE STORIES http://www.montanaphonograph.com/unclejosh.html ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 18:36:32 2009 From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (buck Buchanan) Date: Fri Jan 23 18:36:45 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! In-Reply-To: <497A6759.1010200@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <592832.32198.qm@web57515.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Rich, Is it a full moon tonight because I sure found the winners at ebay. Here is an email from the person that was selling photographs of a Victor on ebay a couple of weeks ago. He told everybody that he was doing research of some type. He wrote a guide on ebay that is worthless and I left my comment like most and this is what he sends me. "From User:bsmoneysaversales (168)99.4% Positive FeedbackMember since Aug-30-08 in United StatesLocation: IN, United StatesActivity with bsmoneysaversales (last 90 days): I have bid on 0 items from bsmoneysaversales Activity with bsmoneysaversales (last 90 days): bsmoneysaversales has bid on 0 of my items Dear (sorry I removed my id from this), If you were so smart,Why did let your friend ? the add! could be a hint of the big J Buddy please do not write me again or I will have you thrown off ebay for the big H if your so smart you should be able to figure this out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I have of course sent this email to ebay and I will let them take care of the problem. I really know how to find them don't I, lol. Bill --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Rich wrote: From: Rich Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 7:56 PM Feedback blackmail is not allowed. report it to eBay and be done with him. He can not leave you negative feedback no matter what. buck Buchanan wrote: > I know that you can damage the seller's standing with Ebay and this bothers me even more because this person has to know this as well. > Even when I am not happy I don't leave a bad report but this person has told me that he will not hesitate in leaving one for me if I am not happy with him. > This is like shooting yourself in the foot, and I have to wonder about somebody that has to hold your feedback as hostage. > Maybe you as another seller should tell this person that his message is being taken as if he was holding the feedback as hostage unless he gets what he wants from his buyers. > > And I will be honest with you I don't believe I will ever buy from him again and I will not be recommending him to anybody I know. > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Rich wrote: > From: Rich > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:00 PM > > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as a 1. If > they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > buck Buchanan wrote: >> I just received this email from a seller. >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist >> >> This was his message to me: >> >> Hi! >> >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the >> same. >> >> All the best, >> >> Randy >> >> This will be my reply: >> >> Randy, >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from > the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am joining a > growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves it for > the buyer. >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method that > you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to > send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what you would > like with his feed back. >> Thank you Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jim at phono-phixer.com Fri Jan 23 23:01:28 2009 From: jim at phono-phixer.com (JimK) Date: Fri Jan 23 23:01:44 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format References: <002001c97d16$f5de9f50$0a00a8c0@Jim> Message-ID: <001001c97df1$96dac5c0$0a00a8c0@Jim> Thanks Steve! It makes me wonder though, of all the people that did or did not opt out, like us - they should have known how many people kept the new format or not, while it was still in beta. But your right, there is probably some programmer sitting at his desk trying to justify his job. Oh well, a few years from now we'll all say eBay who? Oh, I remember that website.......or not :) Jim ------------ Hello Jim, Like you I opted out. The problem is when some moron makes a change for the sake of change that has no benefit. I have never been a big eBay fan, they only care when it hits them in the wallet. They are rapidly removing all the positive aspects of doing business with them, but because of reproducer research I will continue to watch and buy. I think if they would have given the option to keep the old format they could have gotten an accurate idea of what people thought of the change, but as long as they make money they will not care. I enjoyed and agree with your post. Steve 22:56:28 -0600 > > I agree, it sucks. When they first let this 'new format' out in the wild, > I > opted back out, quickly as I hated it. Now I see that you cant go back to > the old way, but will have to put up with it. Google mail did the same > thing > a few weeks ago, and a lot of people complained. It's no wonder we all > need > high speed internet these days for web pages, oh yeah, and Utube to watch > phonograph videos :) The old saying still holds true - New is not always > better.... > > Jim > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sat Jan 24 08:40:14 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Sat Jan 24 08:40:29 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine Message-ID: Hi, I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being brought back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in getting a nice bright shine back? Thanks much. Brantley From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 09:01:45 2009 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Sat Jan 24 09:01:57 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <959063.94105.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Brantley, Use Brasso. I used that stuff when I was in the Navy for polishing my insignias and belt buckles. It's great stuff. You can get it in just about any store. Good luck, Harvey P. Kravitz --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Kuglarb@wmconnect.com wrote: From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 8:40 AM Hi, I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being brought back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in getting a nice bright shine back? Thanks much. Brantley _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From dan at old-phonographs.com Sat Jan 24 09:02:25 2009 From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Sat Jan 24 09:09:09 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The best product I have found is called Flitz. It is available online but also in some hardware stores. Great product and fairly easy to use. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > Hi, > > I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being brought > back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in > getting a > nice bright shine back? Thanks much. > > Brantley > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From gpaul2000 at aol.com Sat Jan 24 11:25:00 2009 From: gpaul2000 at aol.com (gpaul2000@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 24 11:30:23 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB4C709599A149-17E8-1E21@FWM-M30.sysops.aol.com> I take mine to a professional refurbisher of brass band instruments.? In the summers, he's often busy with school instruments, but during the fall and winter is a better time.? I've spent 4-5 hours working on the bell of a 42" horn, only to take a similar horn to the refurbisher and have it look much better for $80.00.? For my money/time, there's no question of which is the better route.? Check your yellow pages, and good luck! George P. -----Original Message----- From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:40 am Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine Hi, I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being brought back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in getting a nice bright shine back? Thanks much. Brantley _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From waltsommers at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 11:28:15 2009 From: waltsommers at comcast.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Sat Jan 24 11:33:41 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format In-Reply-To: <001001c97df1$96dac5c0$0a00a8c0@Jim> References: <002001c97d16$f5de9f50$0a00a8c0@Jim> <001001c97df1$96dac5c0$0a00a8c0@Jim> Message-ID: <497B6BCF.5080203@comcast.net> I generally don't contribute to threads that are bash-oriented, but when I noticed that there is no consideration being given to the technologies that underlie and ultimately dictate what we see happening to internet entities in general I was compelled. It's not an "eBay thing" if you really understand it. Having formerly worked in these environments I know first hand that it is no small task to constantly mature technologically. It doesn't really matter whether any internet based company wants to change their infrastructure or not, because technology will be happy to blindly ignore them. The thought of a programmer (moron) making the changes we see on eBay simply as a way to create work for himself is laughable considering the miserable and difficult job that they are given as a new technology is implemented. Really, it just doesn't happen that way. Those programmers want to see those changes a thousand times less than you do. Both formats work quite well for me and I switch back and forth all of the time. Both have benefits and drawbacks. The best things about the old format for me is that: (1) I am better acclimated to it, and (2) It is easier to use as a source for research data. The new format, however, is a far better interface for me as an actual buyer. I learned to stop griping about the proliferation of ever changing GUIs (graphical user interfaces) when I had to migrate from pure command line based FORTRAN and UNIX systems to Windows 3.1 way back in the 1980's. Oh how I cringe as I remember when those evil days first cast their perpetual dark shadow upon my work. I know of no one who was hired to do a job of any kind who was not expected to justify their position through a daily performance of their assigned responsibilities. People in every generation have accused change of being self-interested only because their shortsightedness does not allow them to see or understand its inevitability: that is, things are gonna happen with or without them - like it or not. Thomas Edison stated that, "we have merely scratched the surface of the store of knowledge which will come to us. I believe that we are now, a-tremble on the verge of vast discoveries; discoveries so wondrously important they will upset the present trend of human thought and start it along completely new lines." He wasn't just referring to the invention of a practical light bulb or a practical phonograph (which curiously much of the world through ignorance condemned as evil works of the devil) but a general philosophy of technological change as a continuum. Walt From waltsommers at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 11:38:20 2009 From: waltsommers at comcast.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Sat Jan 24 11:38:42 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <497B6E2C.2010503@comcast.net> Try Mothers Metal Polish: http://www.mothers.com if you must polish. You can get it at a local auto parts store. It is a very fine polishing compound like many others, so there are many choices in all likelihood. One of the products that I know is commonly used is one that I would caution using on brass: "Never Dull". It works great on harder metals like nickel plate, but because it is a wadding compound that uses coarse natural cotton it will leave fine scratches on brass and can totally destroy original gold plate. Kuglarb@wmconnect.com wrote: > Hi, > > I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being brought > back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in getting a > nice bright shine back? Thanks much. > > Brantley > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From bruce78rpm at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 11:43:35 2009 From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm@comcast.net) Date: Sat Jan 24 11:43:45 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine In-Reply-To: <209360982.617611232826171598.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1534285183.617841232826215613.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I have a very big brass horn that needs to have some small dents taken out before being polished, would the same refurbisher handle this task as well? I would love to bring this ancient horn back to life and use it with my Edison Home A Suitcase model. ----- Original Message ----- From: gpaul2000@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:25:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine I take mine to a professional refurbisher of brass band instruments.? In the summers, he's often busy with school instruments, but during the fall and winter is a better time.? I've spent 4-5 hours working on the bell of a 42" horn, only to take a similar horn to the refurbisher and have it look much better for $80.00.? For my money/time, there's no question of which is the better route.? Check your yellow pages, and good luck! George P. -----Original Message----- From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:40 am Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine Hi, I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being brought back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in getting a nice bright shine back? Thanks much. Brantley _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From gpaul2000 at aol.com Sat Jan 24 13:37:27 2009 From: gpaul2000 at aol.com (gpaul2000@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 24 13:37:48 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine In-Reply-To: <1534285183.617841232826215613.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CB4C831656344A-9EC-B77@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com> Yes, these instrument repair guys straighten, remove dents, etc. All included in the price. They even lacquer the brass after polishing it...for those big 54" ?horns it means many, many years before they'll need attention again. Some collectors don't like the highly polished original look - - they prefer a somewhat aged appearance, and I respect that. I have a few horns that I prefer that way myself. But if you want that brass to look as good as it can, there's nothing like a professional job. George P. -----Original Message----- From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine I have a very big brass horn that needs to have some small dents taken out before being polished, would the same refurbisher handle this task as well? I would love to bring this ancient horn back to life and use it with my Edison Home A Suitcase model. ----- Original Message ----- From: gpaul2000@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:25:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine I take mine to a professional refurbisher of brass band instruments.? In the summers, he's often busy with school instruments, but during the fall and winter is a better time.? I've spent 4-5 hours working on the bell of a 42" horn, only to take a similar horn to the refurbisher and have it look much better for $80.00.? For my money/time, there's no question of which is the better route.? Check your yellow pages, and good luck! George P. -----Original Message----- From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:40 am Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine Hi, I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being brought back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in getting a nice bright shine back? Thanks much. Brantley _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From smstitt at gmail.com Sat Jan 24 13:52:12 2009 From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt) Date: Sat Jan 24 13:59:43 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine In-Reply-To: <8CB4C831656344A-9EC-B77@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com> References: <1534285183.617841232826215613.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <8CB4C831656344A-9EC-B77@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7e8e90ff0901241352l5e8433f1n38e302e3941c0d92@mail.gmail.com> I leave them alone. If you do polish you will see all the imperfections. oldcranky On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 1:37 PM, wrote: > > Yes, these instrument repair guys straighten, remove dents, etc. All > included in the price. They even lacquer the brass after polishing it...for > those big 54" > ?horns it means many, many years before they'll need attention again. Some > collectors don't like the highly polished original look - - they prefer a > somewhat aged appearance, and I respect that. I have a few horns that I > prefer that way myself. But if you want that brass to look as good as it > can, there's nothing like a professional job. > > George P. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 2:43 pm > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a very big brass horn that needs to have some small dents taken out > before being polished, would the same refurbisher handle this task as well? > I > would love to bring this ancient horn back to life and use it with my > Edison > Home A Suitcase model. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gpaul2000@aol.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:25:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > I take mine to a professional refurbisher of brass band instruments.? In > the > summers, he's often busy with school instruments, but during the fall and > winter > is a better time.? I've spent 4-5 hours working on the bell of a 42" horn, > only > to take a similar horn to the refurbisher and have it look much better for > $80.00.? For my money/time, there's no question of which is the better > route.? > Check your yellow pages, and good luck! > > George P. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:40 am > Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being brought > back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in getting a > nice bright shine back? Thanks much. > > Brantley > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From jim at phono-phixer.com Sat Jan 24 16:16:13 2009 From: jim at phono-phixer.com (JimK) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:16:27 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format References: <002001c97d16$f5de9f50$0a00a8c0@Jim> <001001c97df1$96dac5c0$0a00a8c0@Jim> Message-ID: <000a01c97e82$23d6d5a0$0a00a8c0@Jim> My appologies to anyone who is a progamer or is remotely involved with a programer, I didnt mean to offend anyone or any type of technology. Further comments will be completly withheld. Jim From steve_noreen at msn.com Sat Jan 24 16:18:53 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:19:05 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use Flitz on my best pieces, it was recommended 20 years ago and works wonders. > The best product I have found is called Flitz. It is available online but > also in some hardware stores. Great product and fairly easy to use. > > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:40 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > > Hi, > > > > I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being brought > > back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in > > getting a > > nice bright shine back? Thanks much. > > > > Brantley > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From gpaul2000 at aol.com Sat Jan 24 16:30:09 2009 From: gpaul2000 at aol.com (gpaul2000@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:35:34 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine In-Reply-To: <7e8e90ff0901241352l5e8433f1n38e302e3941c0d92@mail.gmail.com> References: <1534285183.617841232826215613.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><8CB4C831656344A-9EC-B77@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com> <7e8e90ff0901241352l5e8433f1n38e302e3941c0d92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB4C9B3645BDDE-93C-A2@WEBMAIL-DZ20.sysops.aol.com> Imperfections? What imperfections? :) -----Original Message----- From: Mike Stitt To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 4:52 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine I leave them alone. If you do polish you will see all the imperfections. oldcranky On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 1:37 PM, wrote: > > Yes, these instrument repair guys straighten, remove dents, etc. All > included in the price. They even lacquer the brass after polishing it...for > those big 54" > ?horns it means many, many years before they'll need attention again. Some > collectors don't like the highly polished original look - - they prefer a > somewhat aged appearance, and I respect that. I have a few horns that I > prefer that way myself. But if you want that brass to look as good as it > can, there's nothing like a professional job. > > George P. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 2:43 pm > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a very big brass horn that needs to have some small dents taken out > before being polished, would the same refurbisher handle this task as well? > I > would love to bring this ancient horn back to life and use it with my > Edison > Home A Suitcase model. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gpaul2000@aol.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:25:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > I take mine to a professional refurbisher of brass band instruments.? In > the > summers, he's often busy with school instruments, but during the fall and > winter > is a better time.? I've spent 4-5 hours working on the bell of a 42" horn, > only > to take a similar horn to the refurbisher and have it look much better for > $80.00.? For my money/time, there's no question of which is the better > route.? > Check your yellow pages, and good luck! > > George P. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:40 am > Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being brought > back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in getting a > nice bright shine back? Thanks much. > > Brantley > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From smstitt at gmail.com Sat Jan 24 16:54:37 2009 From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:54:49 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine In-Reply-To: <8CB4C9B3645BDDE-93C-A2@WEBMAIL-DZ20.sysops.aol.com> References: <1534285183.617841232826215613.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <8CB4C831656344A-9EC-B77@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com> <7e8e90ff0901241352l5e8433f1n38e302e3941c0d92@mail.gmail.com> <8CB4C9B3645BDDE-93C-A2@WEBMAIL-DZ20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7e8e90ff0901241654v4e9d943ese7f54f85d4070dce@mail.gmail.com> Imperfections never! It takes a long time for brass to get a nice warm patina. I personally would never polish a brass horn or at least it would have to be pretty bad. If I did I would be very careful and do so sparingly. You may not even like the color! That however was not the questioned asked. I like Mother's. If it's good enough for Red, Bighouse and Eddie to use on their Harley's it good enough for me.... On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > > Imperfections? What imperfections? :) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Stitt > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 4:52 pm > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > > > > > > > > > I leave them alone. If you do polish you will see all the imperfections. > oldcranky > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 1:37 PM, wrote: > > > > > Yes, these instrument repair guys straighten, remove dents, etc. All > > included in the price. They even lacquer the brass after polishing > it...for > > those big 54" > > ?horns it means many, many years before they'll need attention again. > Some > > collectors don't like the highly polished original look - - they prefer a > > somewhat aged appearance, and I respect that. I have a few horns that I > > prefer that way myself. But if you want that brass to look as good as it > > can, there's nothing like a professional job. > > > > George P. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 2:43 pm > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a very big brass horn that needs to have some small dents taken > out > > before being polished, would the same refurbisher handle this task as > well? > > I > > would love to bring this ancient horn back to life and use it with my > > Edison > > Home A Suitcase model. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: gpaul2000@aol.com > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:25:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > > > > I take mine to a professional refurbisher of brass band instruments.? In > > the > > summers, he's often busy with school instruments, but during the fall and > > winter > > is a better time.? I've spent 4-5 hours working on the bell of a 42" > horn, > > only > > to take a similar horn to the refurbisher and have it look much better > for > > $80.00.? For my money/time, there's no question of which is the better > > route.? > > Check your yellow pages, and good luck! > > > > George P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:40 am > > Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being > brought > > back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in getting > a > > nice bright shine back? Thanks much. > > > > Brantley > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sat Jan 24 17:27:53 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Sat Jan 24 17:28:09 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine Message-ID: Thanks so much to all for your responses on getting those bells shined. You know, I have decided to leave them as they are. After all, these are antiques, and really look nice the way they are. I find myself trying to shoot here and there for perfection and here and there for every darn original part. This here and there stuff really takes away from my valuable time to enjoy my collection for what it is...90 plus year old phonographs that look and perform better than any 90 year old that I know of. Hey, I just turned 50. I need to chill and not take this hobby so serious. You guys are great. Thanks again and have a fantastic weekend! PS - Harvey, thanks for all of your valuable information and help! Brantley Williston, S.C. From gpaul2000 at aol.com Sat Jan 24 18:42:47 2009 From: gpaul2000 at aol.com (gpaul2000@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 24 18:43:11 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine In-Reply-To: <7e8e90ff0901241654v4e9d943ese7f54f85d4070dce@mail.gmail.com> References: <1534285183.617841232826215613.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><8CB4C831656344A-9EC-B77@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com><7e8e90ff0901241352l5e8433f1n38e302e3941c0d92@mail.gmail.com><8CB4C9B3645BDDE-93C-A2@WEBMAIL-DZ20.sysops.aol.com> <7e8e90ff0901241654v4e9d943ese7f54f85d4070dce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB4CADBE163B92-960-A84@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> Mike, That's exactly where I learned about Mother's: bikers were telling me that's what I should be using on my Harley. They were right - it's great stuff. By the way, several months ago I stumbled upon an unusual nickle-plated Tea Tray Company flower horn with floral interior decorations. I don't recall ever seeing a nickled TTCo horn before.? Anyway, someone - for some reason - had covered the interior of the horn with a brown translucent wash of some sort. I experimented with lacquer thinner, alcohol solvent, and some other solvents to determine what the wash was, but nothing seemed to touch it. Of course, I wasn't going to use anything that would dissolve the interior decoration... Consequently, the horn has just been sitting around because I wasn't sure what to do with it. This afternoon I was cleaning a another nickled horn for someone else, and I was using "Nevr-Dull" (as mentioned by Walt in an earlier posting). It suddenly occurred to me that Nevr-Dull had not been tried on the brown wash. Hooray!? It takes some elbow grease, but it slowly removes the wash and doesn't harm the flowers/leaves.? I'll be working on this to morrow (if my hands recover from this afternoon!).? If you're interested, I'll be posting a few photos on the Antique Talking Machine Message Board: http://victrolagramophones.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk Only a bit of deep interior plus the end of one panel (with a painted flower) has been cleaned with Nevr-Dull. Once this horn has been brought back to life, I'll post a photo at the same site. The final step will be a treatment with Mother's! George P. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Stitt To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 7:54 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine Imperfections never! It takes a long time for brass to get a nice warm patina. I personally would never polish a brass horn or at least it would have to be pretty bad. If I did I would be very careful and do so sparingly. You may not even like the color! That however was not the questioned asked. I like Mother's. If it's good enough for Red, Bighouse and Eddie to use on their Harley's it good enough for me.... On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > > Imperfections? What imperfections? :) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Stitt > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 4:52 pm > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > > > > > > > > > I leave them alone. If you do polish you will see all the imperfections. > oldcranky > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 1:37 PM, wrote: > > > > > Yes, these instrument repair guys straighten, remove dents, etc. All > > included in the price. They even lacquer the brass after polishing > it...for > > those big 54" > > ?horns it means many, many years before they'll need attention again. > Some > > collectors don't like the highly polished original look - - they prefer a > > somewhat aged appearance, and I respect that. I have a few horns that I > > prefer that way myself. But if you want that brass to look as good as it > > can, there's nothing like a professional job. > > > > George P. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 2:43 pm > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a very big brass horn that needs to have some small dents taken > out > > before being polished, would the same refurbisher handle this task as > well? > > I > > would love to bring this ancient horn back to life and use it with my > > Edison > > Home A Suitcase model. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: gpaul2000@aol.com > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:25:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > > > > I take mine to a professional refurbisher of brass band instruments.? In > > the > > summers, he's often busy with school instruments, but during the fall and > > winter > > is a better time.? I've spent 4-5 hours working on the bell of a 42" > horn, > > only > > to take a similar horn to the refurbisher and have it look much better > for > > $80.00.? For my money/time, there's no question of which is the better > > route.? > > Check your yellow pages, and good luck! > > > > George P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:40 am > > Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being > brought > > back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in getting > a > > nice bright shine back? Thanks much. > > > > Brantley > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 23:03:53 2009 From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (buck Buchanan) Date: Sat Jan 24 23:04:06 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <668959.25297.qm@web57503.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Brantley, I can tell you what not to use on brass that you value. That would be Brasso, after serving 14 years in the Army I can tell you that it is not kind to the metal and can leave light scratches if you are not careful, it will also leave a green/gray residue in tight places. I have heard of Flitz that Steve speaks of and I have never been told anything negative. What ever you use please use something that is not abrasive. Bill --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Steven Medved wrote: From: Steven Medved Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine To: "Phono-l" Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 7:18 PM I use Flitz on my best pieces, it was recommended 20 years ago and works wonders. > The best product I have found is called Flitz. It is available online but > also in some hardware stores. Great product and fairly easy to use. > > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:40 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > > Hi, > > > > I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being brought > > back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in > > getting a > > nice bright shine back? Thanks much. > > > > Brantley > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From plavzic at gmail.com Sun Jan 25 02:47:57 2009 From: plavzic at gmail.com (Robert Plavzic) Date: Sun Jan 25 02:58:54 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format - Get That Divorce! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Brantley You summed it up exactly right. Also I cannot figure out why ebay keeps changing its format. I don't give a hoot about what ebay thinks are favorite items and they probably do not either, there's probably some trick there like top sellers get their junk listed first. Hands up who'd like to see most recently listed first. And the management idiots who approved the new paging format where for the page to reload you first get shot to the top of the screen (oh! I'm on a new page, kind of looks like the one I was on) and as you start to scroll down the page reloads. Do others have this issue? I have a friend at ebay and offered to explain to whoever in the company what was pissing off "loyal" ebayers like myself. Just a bit surprised when I was told the answer internally was "oh yes, the collecting nutters". Say WHAT? So Ebay would run much better if one did not have all these sellers and buyers eating up the bandwidth? Obviously someone does not get it! best Rob On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:21 AM, wrote: > > In a message dated 1/22/2009 4:04:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Kuglarb@wmconnect.com writes: > > Let's face it phono lovers...ebay is not, and will not be what it used to > be. > Ebay is a great example of a company that was successful in making money > and > at the same time pleasing it's LOYAL customers. Now, ebay has become a > greedy business whose number one goal is to make money, regardless of how > it > affects the customer. > > I got a real kick out of this morning's news when there was a story that > stated that EVEN ebay is feeling the crunches of this bad economy. The > newscaster > went on to say that according to ebay, the reason was because there were > no > big desirable Christmas items this year. No, ebay. That's not the > reason. > > The reason is because some of the customers are getting fed up with the _ > _ > _ > _ that your company is pulling over on them. > > I have joined several of you on this group that will not sell or buy on > ebay. > It will take many more of us; but this is the only way that this greedy > company is going to face up. > > Also, have any of you noticed the fraud that has increased with ebay? > Examples are the stolen pictures placed with items, people not getting > their > goods, > etc., etc., etc. > > My hobbies, including phonograph and record collecting, have not suffered > one > bit from my divorce from ebay. In fact, I find myself spending more time > enjoying my collections. Just think, if most people would stop their love > affair > with ebay, they could enjoy their nice Victor V with a cool Billy Murray > singing out the hits! > > You know...I think ebay really did me a favor. Thanks ebay for your work > in > > causing me to sever my ties with you. The divorce was cheap. It didn't > cost > me a thing. > > That's all I got to say. You all take care and as always... > > Keep 'em running at 78...rpms that is! > > Brantley > Williston, S.C. > _______________________________________________ > > > I'm with ye, Brantly! > > I haven't used e-bay (other than for entertainment, a la Harvey K) since > they went to Pay Pal or Nada. > > Now, Nada n' I will go play a record on a Victor Talking Machine and we > will > enjoy the music. > > See y'all later! > > Edward, in Zigzag > **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, > stay > up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From rvuill at comcast.net Sun Jan 25 04:38:53 2009 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Sun Jan 25 04:39:04 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine References: <1534285183.617841232826215613.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><8CB4C831656344A-9EC-B77@WEBMAIL-MA10.sysops.aol.com><7e8e90ff0901241352l5e8433f1n38e302e3941c0d92@mail.gmail.com><8CB4C9B3645BDDE-93C-A2@WEBMAIL-DZ20.sysops.aol.com><7e8e90ff0901241654v4e9d943ese7f54f85d4070dce@mail.gmail.com> <8CB4CADBE163B92-960-A84@webmail-me06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <01679E5918D84D56BCA3E949B6EDE7BE@your4dacd0ea75> I've had a couple of horns that were really filthy and needed to be cleaned before polishing. One was a Nickel Columbia horn and the other a standard black and brass Victor horn. When I got the nickel one I tried everything to get the dirt off, nothing did much to penetrate it. Finally I experimented with muriatic acid. That's the stuff people use to clean up swimming pools with. To my amazement the dirt just melted off. I tried it later on the brass bell of the Victor horn and got the same results. Polishing was still necessary but a lot easier with all the dirt removed. I bought a gallon of this stuff at a local hardware store several years ago for about $4.00. If you use it, experiment on a small inconspicuous spot first and wear rubber gloves. It's pretty strong stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > Mike, > > That's exactly where I learned about Mother's: bikers were telling me > that's what I should be using on my Harley. They were right - it's great > stuff. > > By the way, several months ago I stumbled upon an unusual nickle-plated > Tea Tray Company flower horn with floral interior decorations. I don't > recall ever seeing a nickled TTCo horn before.? Anyway, someone - for some > reason - had covered the interior of the horn with a brown translucent > wash of some sort. I experimented with lacquer thinner, alcohol solvent, > and some other solvents to determine what the wash was, but nothing seemed > to touch it. Of course, I wasn't going to use anything that would dissolve > the interior decoration... Consequently, the horn has just been sitting > around because I wasn't sure what to do with it. This afternoon I was > cleaning a another nickled horn for someone else, and I was using > "Nevr-Dull" (as mentioned by Walt in an earlier posting). It suddenly > occurred to me that Nevr-Dull had not been tried on the brown wash. > Hooray!? It takes some elbow grease, but it slowly removes the wash and > doesn't harm the flowers/leaves.? I'll be working on this to > morrow (if my hands recover from this afternoon!).? If you're interested, > I'll be posting a few photos on the Antique Talking Machine Message Board: > > http://victrolagramophones.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk > > Only a bit of deep interior plus the end of one panel (with a painted > flower) has been cleaned with Nevr-Dull. Once this horn has been brought > back to life, I'll post a photo at the same site. The final step will be a > treatment with Mother's! > > George P. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Stitt > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 7:54 pm > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine > > > > > > > > > > > Imperfections never! It takes a long time for brass to get a nice warm > patina. I personally would never polish a brass horn or at least it would > have to be pretty bad. If I did I would be very careful and do so > sparingly. > You may not even like the color! That however was not the questioned > asked. > I like Mother's. If it's good enough for Red, Bighouse and Eddie to use on > their Harley's it good enough for me.... > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > >> >> Imperfections? What imperfections? :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Stitt >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 4:52 pm >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I leave them alone. If you do polish you will see all the imperfections. >> oldcranky >> >> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 1:37 PM, wrote: >> >> > >> > Yes, these instrument repair guys straighten, remove dents, etc. All >> > included in the price. They even lacquer the brass after polishing >> it...for >> > those big 54" >> > ?horns it means many, many years before they'll need attention again. >> Some >> > collectors don't like the highly polished original look - - they prefer >> > a >> > somewhat aged appearance, and I respect that. I have a few horns that I >> > prefer that way myself. But if you want that brass to look as good as >> > it >> > can, there's nothing like a professional job. >> > >> > George P. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: bruce78rpm@comcast.net >> > To: Antique Phonograph List >> > Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 2:43 pm >> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I have a very big brass horn that needs to have some small dents taken >> out >> > before being polished, would the same refurbisher handle this task as >> well? >> > I >> > would love to bring this ancient horn back to life and use it with my >> > Edison >> > Home A Suitcase model. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: gpaul2000@aol.com >> > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:25:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada >> > Eastern >> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine >> > >> > >> > I take mine to a professional refurbisher of brass band instruments.? >> > In >> > the >> > summers, he's often busy with school instruments, but during the fall >> > and >> > winter >> > is a better time.? I've spent 4-5 hours working on the bell of a 42" >> horn, >> > only >> > to take a similar horn to the refurbisher and have it look much better >> for >> > $80.00.? For my money/time, there's no question of which is the better >> > route.? >> > Check your yellow pages, and good luck! >> > >> > George P. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com >> > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> > Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:40 am >> > Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being >> brought >> > back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in >> > getting >> a >> > nice bright shine back? 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.13/1912 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 6:54 PM From waltsommers at comcast.net Sun Jan 25 08:38:28 2009 From: waltsommers at comcast.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Sun Jan 25 08:43:55 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format - Get That Divorce! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <497C9584.1070700@comcast.net> ======================================================== Robert Plavzic wrote: I don't give a hoot about what ebay thinks are favorite items... - Disable them. Robert Plavzic wrote: Hands up who'd like to see most recently listed first. - If you prefer to see the most recently listed items first, then set that as the default. Robert Plavzic wrote: Obviously someone does not get it! - Yet ======================================================== Robert Plavzic wrote: > Thanks Brantley > > You summed it up exactly right. > > Also I cannot figure out why ebay keeps changing its format. I don't give a > hoot about what ebay thinks are favorite items and they probably do not > either, there's probably some trick there like top sellers get their junk > listed first. Hands up who'd like to see most recently listed first. > > And the management idiots who approved the new paging format where for the > page to reload you first get shot to the top of the screen (oh! I'm on a new > page, kind of looks like the one I was on) and as you start to scroll down > the page reloads. Do others have this issue? > > I have a friend at ebay and offered to explain to whoever in the company > what was pissing off "loyal" ebayers like myself. > > Just a bit surprised when I was told the answer internally was "oh yes, the > collecting nutters". > > Say WHAT? So Ebay would run much better if one did not have all these > sellers and buyers eating up the bandwidth? > > Obviously someone does not get it! > > best > > Rob > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:21 AM, wrote: > > >> In a message dated 1/22/2009 4:04:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> Kuglarb@wmconnect.com writes: >> >> Let's face it phono lovers...ebay is not, and will not be what it used to >> be. >> Ebay is a great example of a company that was successful in making money >> and >> at the same time pleasing it's LOYAL customers. Now, ebay has become a >> greedy business whose number one goal is to make money, regardless of how >> it >> affects the customer. >> >> I got a real kick out of this morning's news when there was a story that >> stated that EVEN ebay is feeling the crunches of this bad economy. The >> newscaster >> went on to say that according to ebay, the reason was because there were >> no >> big desirable Christmas items this year. No, ebay. That's not the >> reason. >> >> The reason is because some of the customers are getting fed up with the _ >> _ >> _ >> _ that your company is pulling over on them. >> >> I have joined several of you on this group that will not sell or buy on >> ebay. >> It will take many more of us; but this is the only way that this greedy >> company is going to face up. >> >> Also, have any of you noticed the fraud that has increased with ebay? >> Examples are the stolen pictures placed with items, people not getting >> their >> goods, >> etc., etc., etc. >> >> My hobbies, including phonograph and record collecting, have not suffered >> one >> bit from my divorce from ebay. In fact, I find myself spending more time >> enjoying my collections. Just think, if most people would stop their love >> affair >> with ebay, they could enjoy their nice Victor V with a cool Billy Murray >> singing out the hits! >> >> You know...I think ebay really did me a favor. Thanks ebay for your work >> in >> >> causing me to sever my ties with you. The divorce was cheap. It didn't >> cost >> me a thing. >> >> That's all I got to say. You all take care and as always... >> >> Keep 'em running at 78...rpms that is! >> >> Brantley >> Williston, S.C. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> I'm with ye, Brantly! >> >> I haven't used e-bay (other than for entertainment, a la Harvey K) since >> they went to Pay Pal or Nada. >> >> Now, Nada n' I will go play a record on a Victor Talking Machine and we >> will >> enjoy the music. >> >> See y'all later! >> >> Edward, in Zigzag >> **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, >> stay >> up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023 >> ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.13/1914 - Release Date: 1/24/2009 8:40 PM > > From cdh041 at earthlink.net Sun Jan 25 11:09:07 2009 From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston) Date: Sun Jan 25 11:09:28 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format - Get That Divorce! Message-ID: <410-2200910251997812@earthlink.net> Indeed, I've been having that same problem with thse scumbags. You select the next page, but your arrow ends up in the middle of an ad that pops up in the top of the page. Some times, the ad opens up, and you have to dump it. And, as already said, you end up not changing pages. Here's my trick.Right click on the number page you want.Left click on "Open link in a new window". Presto, you get the page you want. No ads, just the next page. It's even quicker than if you'd waited for EBay to do it. > [Original Message] > From: Robert Plavzic > To: Antique Phonograph List > Date: 1/25/2009 6:00:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format - Get That Divorce! > > Thanks Brantley > > You summed it up exactly right. > > Also I cannot figure out why ebay keeps changing its format. I don't give a > hoot about what ebay thinks are favorite items and they probably do not > either, there's probably some trick there like top sellers get their junk > listed first. Hands up who'd like to see most recently listed first. > > And the management idiots who approved the new paging format where for the > page to reload you first get shot to the top of the screen (oh! I'm on a new > page, kind of looks like the one I was on) and as you start to scroll down > the page reloads. Do others have this issue? > > I have a friend at ebay and offered to explain to whoever in the company > what was pissing off "loyal" ebayers like myself. > > Just a bit surprised when I was told the answer internally was "oh yes, the > collecting nutters". > > Say WHAT? So Ebay would run much better if one did not have all these > sellers and buyers eating up the bandwidth? > > Obviously someone does not get it! > > best > > Rob > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:21 AM, wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 1/22/2009 4:04:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Kuglarb@wmconnect.com writes: > > > > Let's face it phono lovers...ebay is not, and will not be what it used to > > be. > > Ebay is a great example of a company that was successful in making money > > and > > at the same time pleasing it's LOYAL customers. Now, ebay has become a > > greedy business whose number one goal is to make money, regardless of how > > it > > affects the customer. > > > > I got a real kick out of this morning's news when there was a story that > > stated that EVEN ebay is feeling the crunches of this bad economy. The > > newscaster > > went on to say that according to ebay, the reason was because there were > > no > > big desirable Christmas items this year. No, ebay. That's not the > > reason. > > > > The reason is because some of the customers are getting fed up with the _ > > _ > > _ > > _ that your company is pulling over on them. > > > > I have joined several of you on this group that will not sell or buy on > > ebay. > > It will take many more of us; but this is the only way that this greedy > > company is going to face up. > > > > Also, have any of you noticed the fraud that has increased with ebay? > > Examples are the stolen pictures placed with items, people not getting > > their > > goods, > > etc., etc., etc. > > > > My hobbies, including phonograph and record collecting, have not suffered > > one > > bit from my divorce from ebay. In fact, I find myself spending more time > > enjoying my collections. Just think, if most people would stop their love > > affair > > with ebay, they could enjoy their nice Victor V with a cool Billy Murray > > singing out the hits! > > > > You know...I think ebay really did me a favor. Thanks ebay for your work > > in > > > > causing me to sever my ties with you. The divorce was cheap. It didn't > > cost > > me a thing. > > > > That's all I got to say. You all take care and as always... > > > > Keep 'em running at 78...rpms that is! > > > > Brantley > > Williston, S.C. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > I'm with ye, Brantly! > > > > I haven't used e-bay (other than for entertainment, a la Harvey K) since > > they went to Pay Pal or Nada. > > > > Now, Nada n' I will go play a record on a Victor Talking Machine and we > > will > > enjoy the music. > > > > See y'all later! > > > > Edward, in Zigzag > > **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, > > stay > > up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023 > > ) > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From edisonstuff at comcast.net Sun Jan 25 11:18:09 2009 From: edisonstuff at comcast.net (edisonstuff@comcast.net) Date: Sun Jan 25 11:23:23 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format - Get That Divorce! In-Reply-To: <497C9584.1070700@comcast.net> Message-ID: <528769153.750211232911089186.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Anyone care to offer suggestions for an alternative for Ebay, I agree the new format stinks?and they don't get it & care less ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt Sommers" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:38:28 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format - Get That Divorce! ======================================================== Robert Plavzic wrote: ?I don't give a hoot about what ebay thinks are favorite items... ?? - Disable them. Robert Plavzic wrote: ?Hands up who'd like to see most recently listed first. ?? ?- If you prefer to see the most recently listed items first, then set that as the default. Robert Plavzic wrote: ?Obviously someone does not get it! ?? ?- Yet ======================================================== Robert Plavzic wrote: > Thanks Brantley > > You summed it up exactly right. > > Also I cannot figure out why ebay keeps changing its format. I don't give a > hoot about what ebay thinks are favorite items and they probably do not > either, there's probably some trick there like top sellers get their junk > listed first. Hands up who'd like to see most recently listed first. > > And the management idiots who approved the new paging format where for the > page to reload you first get shot to the top of the screen (oh! I'm on a new > page, kind of looks like the one I was on) and as you start to scroll down > the page reloads. Do others have this issue? > > I have a friend at ebay and offered to explain to whoever in the company > what was pissing off "loyal" ebayers like myself. > > Just a bit surprised when I was told the answer internally was "oh yes, the > collecting nutters". > > Say WHAT? So Ebay would run much better if one did not have all these > sellers and buyers eating up the bandwidth? > > Obviously someone does not get it! > > best > > Rob > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:21 AM, wrote: > > ? >> In a message dated 1/22/2009 4:04:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> ?Kuglarb@wmconnect.com writes: >> >> Let's ?face it phono lovers...ebay is not, and will not be what it used to >> be. >> Ebay is a great example of a company that was successful in making money >> ?and >> at the same time pleasing it's LOYAL customers. ?Now, ebay has ?become a >> greedy business whose number one goal is to make money, ?regardless of how >> it >> affects the customer. >> >> I got a real kick out of ?this morning's news when there was a story that >> stated that EVEN ebay is ?feeling the crunches of this bad economy. ?The >> newscaster >> went on to ?say that according to ebay, the reason was because there were >> no >> big ?desirable Christmas items this year. ?No, ebay. ?That's not the >> ?reason. >> >> The reason is because some of the customers are getting fed ?up with the _ >> ?_ >> ?_ >> _ that your company is pulling over on ?them. >> >> I have joined several of you on this group that will not ?sell or buy on >> ebay. >> It will take many more of us; but this is the only ?way that this greedy >> company is going to face up. >> >> Also, have any of ?you noticed the fraud that has increased with ebay? >> Examples are the ?stolen pictures placed with items, people not getting >> their >> goods, >> etc., ?etc., etc. >> >> My hobbies, including phonograph and record collecting, have ?not suffered >> one >> bit from my divorce from ebay. ?In fact, I find ?myself spending more time >> enjoying my collections. ?Just think, if ?most people would stop their love >> affair >> with ebay, they could enjoy their ?nice Victor V with a cool Billy Murray >> singing out the hits! >> >> You ?know...I think ebay really did me a favor. ?Thanks ebay for your work >> in >> >> causing me to sever my ties with you. ?The divorce was cheap. ? It didn't >> cost >> me a thing. >> >> That's all I got to say. ?You all ?take care and as always... >> >> Keep 'em running at 78...rpms that ?is! >> >> Brantley >> Williston, ?S.C. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> I'm with ye, Brantly! >> >> I haven't used e-bay (other than for entertainment, a la Harvey K) since >> they went to Pay Pal or Nada. >> >> Now, Nada n' I will go play a record on a Victor Talking Machine and we >> ?will >> enjoy the music. >> >> See y'all later! >> >> Edward, in Zigzag >> **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, >> stay >> up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023 >> ) >> ?_______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.13/1914 - Release Date: 1/24/2009 8:40 PM > > ? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Sun Jan 25 12:07:28 2009 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sun Jan 25 12:07:39 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format - Get That Divorce! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Replace the collecting nutters with high volume sellers that have low buy it now prices. They will not care until it hurt$ them. > Thanks Brantley > > You summed it up exactly right. > > Also I cannot figure out why ebay keeps changing its format. I don't give a > hoot about what ebay thinks are favorite items and they probably do not > either, there's probably some trick there like top sellers get their junk > listed first. Hands up who'd like to see most recently listed first. > > And the management idiots who approved the new paging format where for the > page to reload you first get shot to the top of the screen (oh! I'm on a new > page, kind of looks like the one I was on) and as you start to scroll down > the page reloads. Do others have this issue? > > I have a friend at ebay and offered to explain to whoever in the company > what was pissing off "loyal" ebayers like myself. > > Just a bit surprised when I was told the answer internally was "oh yes, the > collecting nutters". > > Say WHAT? So Ebay would run much better if one did not have all these > sellers and buyers eating up the bandwidth? > > Obviously someone does not get it! > > best > > Rob > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:21 AM, wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 1/22/2009 4:04:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Kuglarb@wmconnect.com writes: > > > > Let's face it phono lovers...ebay is not, and will not be what it used to > > be. > > Ebay is a great example of a company that was successful in making money > > and > > at the same time pleasing it's LOYAL customers. Now, ebay has become a > > greedy business whose number one goal is to make money, regardless of how > > it > > affects the customer. > > > > I got a real kick out of this morning's news when there was a story that > > stated that EVEN ebay is feeling the crunches of this bad economy. The > > newscaster > > went on to say that according to ebay, the reason was because there were > > no > > big desirable Christmas items this year. No, ebay. That's not the > > reason. > > > > The reason is because some of the customers are getting fed up with the _ > > _ > > _ > > _ that your company is pulling over on them. > > > > I have joined several of you on this group that will not sell or buy on > > ebay. > > It will take many more of us; but this is the only way that this greedy > > company is going to face up. > > > > Also, have any of you noticed the fraud that has increased with ebay? > > Examples are the stolen pictures placed with items, people not getting > > their > > goods, > > etc., etc., etc. > > > > My hobbies, including phonograph and record collecting, have not suffered > > one > > bit from my divorce from ebay. In fact, I find myself spending more time > > enjoying my collections. Just think, if most people would stop their love > > affair > > with ebay, they could enjoy their nice Victor V with a cool Billy Murray > > singing out the hits! > > > > You know...I think ebay really did me a favor. Thanks ebay for your work > > in > > > > causing me to sever my ties with you. The divorce was cheap. It didn't > > cost > > me a thing. > > > > That's all I got to say. You all take care and as always... > > > > Keep 'em running at 78...rpms that is! > > > > Brantley > > Williston, S.C. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > I'm with ye, Brantly! > > > > I haven't used e-bay (other than for entertainment, a la Harvey K) since > > they went to Pay Pal or Nada. > > > > Now, Nada n' I will go play a record on a Victor Talking Machine and we > > will > > enjoy the music. > > > > See y'all later! > > > > Edward, in Zigzag > > **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, > > stay > > up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023 > > ) > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sun Jan 25 12:38:39 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Sun Jan 25 12:38:58 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay - Self Destructing Like Other Businesses Message-ID: There was a day when a seller and buyer could feel good about a transaction on ebay. The seller usually got what they expected, and the buyer usually felt as though he had not only sold an item, but made a dollar or two on it. The seller kind of felt that the time and effort was worthwhile. The last few times (a couple of years ago) that I sold on ebay, I felt that the only ones making any money were those knucklehead billionaires at ebay. Let's break it down: - I took the time to place the item on ebay. Spent time constructing what I wanted to say and several times proofreading it so that any potential buyers could understand what they were buying. (Some of the descriptions today...you know.) - I took the time to address any questions from all interested potential buyers in a timely manner. - Once the item was sold, I packaged and boxed it very carefully using my own materials as I never felt that this was a venue when the buyer had to pay HANDLING CHARGES. - Once I got payment from the buyer (did not mind money orders), I promptly took the item to the Post Office. Once I figured in all of my time and effort, ebay was the one that made out like a bandit. There were the posting fees, the photo fees, the seller fees, and on and on. It came to the point that I felt that I would never stop paying ebay fees for one silly transaction! There were times that I felt that I had just given my items away. I would have done better donating the items to a charity and claiming the donations on my income taxes! Now, beside all of that...ebay is butchering up their system with God only knows what kind of soft ware that creates tremendously slow speeds. One cannot even hit page two to go to the other page. It just takes you back to the top and stays there. I know that we all may be 'preaching to the choir' with these issues, but at least it gives us some opportunity to vent. No more ebay for me. They say their profits are dropping...well duh! Corporate America is going out of business very, very slowly. The government bailouts are helping some for now, but this can't go on forever. We can only print so much money before the ink runs out. Circuit City is a grand example. I bought many of my electronics, tapes, and music from them beginning in the 1970s. They were a good company up until the early 1990s. They made me mad several years ago when they would not take back a bad rechargeable battery set that I had bought from them. I had the receipt and it had been within two weeks of my purchase. All I wanted was another one, just an exchange. They gave me so much grief that I never stepped foot back in their stores. Maybe several other had the same experience. Circuit City is in the process of going totally out of business as I write. I do not feel sorry in the least. It takes good service to be in business!! Sometimes it takes extraordinary service to remain in business!! Thanks to all of you that listen, I mean read and participate in this post. I appreciate this group very much. Maybe I will see some of you at the North Carolina Phono show in March! Brantley Williston, S.C From waltsommers at comcast.net Sun Jan 25 13:26:40 2009 From: waltsommers at comcast.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Sun Jan 25 13:27:03 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format - Get That Divorce! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <497CD910.80804@comcast.net> Steve, they already beat you to the punch. Low Buy It Now prices already represent the highest profit items (in terms of percentage) that eBay collects. It has been that way for a long time. It isn't that they have stopped caring about collecting nutters, they never did. Taking the good with the bad is a part of every endeavor, and although eBay really exacerbates the extremes of that notion, I continue to be motivated to do a little buying and selling there because I can help people who don't know any other place to find things the right way. More than a few people on this list got their start on eBay and a few have since been weened and led to greener pastures. I was happy before eBay because of the wonderful people I knew. They haven't changed that and despite their gypsy pickpocketing they have accidentally provided a means for me to meet many more. eBay owes me nothing. They can charge for all sorts of things, but the best part is that they will never be able to charge a fee that could come close to the value of the relationships that I have been able to make with many who have become my friends. I win - eBay loses. Sorry to be so positive, Walt I sure hope this thread dies soon.... Steven Medved wrote: > Replace the collecting nutters with high volume sellers that have low buy it now prices. > > They will not care until it hurt$ them. > > > >> Thanks Brantley >> >> You summed it up exactly right. >> >> Also I cannot figure out why ebay keeps changing its format. I don't give a >> hoot about what ebay thinks are favorite items and they probably do not >> either, there's probably some trick there like top sellers get their junk >> listed first. Hands up who'd like to see most recently listed first. >> >> And the management idiots who approved the new paging format where for the >> page to reload you first get shot to the top of the screen (oh! I'm on a new >> page, kind of looks like the one I was on) and as you start to scroll down >> the page reloads. Do others have this issue? >> >> I have a friend at ebay and offered to explain to whoever in the company >> what was pissing off "loyal" ebayers like myself. >> >> Just a bit surprised when I was told the answer internally was "oh yes, the >> collecting nutters". >> >> Say WHAT? So Ebay would run much better if one did not have all these >> sellers and buyers eating up the bandwidth? >> >> Obviously someone does not get it! >> >> best >> >> Rob >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:21 AM, wrote: >> >> >>> In a message dated 1/22/2009 4:04:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, >>> Kuglarb@wmconnect.com writes: >>> >>> Let's face it phono lovers...ebay is not, and will not be what it used to >>> be. >>> Ebay is a great example of a company that was successful in making money >>> and >>> at the same time pleasing it's LOYAL customers. Now, ebay has become a >>> greedy business whose number one goal is to make money, regardless of how >>> it >>> affects the customer. >>> >>> I got a real kick out of this morning's news when there was a story that >>> stated that EVEN ebay is feeling the crunches of this bad economy. The >>> newscaster >>> went on to say that according to ebay, the reason was because there were >>> no >>> big desirable Christmas items this year. No, ebay. That's not the >>> reason. >>> >>> The reason is because some of the customers are getting fed up with the _ >>> _ >>> _ >>> _ that your company is pulling over on them. >>> >>> I have joined several of you on this group that will not sell or buy on >>> ebay. >>> It will take many more of us; but this is the only way that this greedy >>> company is going to face up. >>> >>> Also, have any of you noticed the fraud that has increased with ebay? >>> Examples are the stolen pictures placed with items, people not getting >>> their >>> goods, >>> etc., etc., etc. >>> >>> My hobbies, including phonograph and record collecting, have not suffered >>> one >>> bit from my divorce from ebay. In fact, I find myself spending more time >>> enjoying my collections. Just think, if most people would stop their love >>> affair >>> with ebay, they could enjoy their nice Victor V with a cool Billy Murray >>> singing out the hits! >>> >>> You know...I think ebay really did me a favor. Thanks ebay for your work >>> in >>> >>> causing me to sever my ties with you. The divorce was cheap. It didn't >>> cost >>> me a thing. >>> >>> That's all I got to say. You all take care and as always... >>> >>> Keep 'em running at 78...rpms that is! >>> >>> Brantley >>> Williston, S.C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> I'm with ye, Brantly! >>> >>> I haven't used e-bay (other than for entertainment, a la Harvey K) since >>> they went to Pay Pal or Nada. >>> >>> Now, Nada n' I will go play a record on a Victor Talking Machine and we >>> will >>> enjoy the music. >>> >>> See y'all later! >>> >>> Edward, in Zigzag >>> **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, >>> stay >>> up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023 >>> ) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.13/1914 - Release Date: 1/24/2009 8:40 PM > > From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sun Jan 25 13:59:38 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Sun Jan 25 13:59:52 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format - Get That Divorce! Message-ID: Walt, After all of the ranting and raving, I must agree with you, without ebay, I would not have met some of my dear friends in the hobby. That's a freebie benefit. Walt, that's it for me with the ebay chants. Let's get on with true phonograph talk... Has anyone heard how the Orlando show went. I spoke to a fellow member of our club and a contributor here and he said that it was all right. There were no big rare items, and certainly did not appear to be any bargains. I am hoping that the March show in Mooresville, N.C. goes well. I know that the Gfells will be there. Tim Fabrizzio has visited several times and brought a lot of interest to all. Take care all. Brantley Williston, S.C. From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sun Jan 25 14:02:43 2009 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sun Jan 25 14:02:54 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format - Get That Divorce! In-Reply-To: <497CD910.80804@comcast.net> References: <497CD910.80804@comcast.net> Message-ID: <497CE183.7070006@octoxol.com> What we have here is the low Buy-It-Now price with the Shipping and Handling far in excess of reasonable and proper. Then when your item shows up it is packed in an inside out priority mail box with a couple of sheets of newsprint and it was sent USPS Media Mail and it is far from media mail qualified material. Walt Sommers wrote: > Steve, they already beat you to the punch. Low Buy It Now prices already > represent the highest profit items (in terms of percentage) that eBay > collects. It has been that way for a long time. It isn't that they have > stopped caring about collecting nutters, they never did. > > Taking the good with the bad is a part of every endeavor, and although > eBay really exacerbates the extremes of that notion, I continue to be > motivated to do a little buying and selling there because I can help > people who don't know any other place to find things the right way. More > than a few people on this list got their start on eBay and a few have > since been weened and led to greener pastures. I was happy before eBay > because of the wonderful people I knew. They haven't changed that and > despite their gypsy pickpocketing they have accidentally provided a > means for me to meet many more. > > eBay owes me nothing. They can charge for all sorts of things, but the > best part is that they will never be able to charge a fee that could > come close to the value of the relationships that I have been able to > make with many who have become my friends. I win - eBay loses. > > Sorry to be so positive, > Walt > > I sure hope this thread dies soon.... > > > > > Steven Medved wrote: >> Replace the collecting nutters with high volume sellers that have low >> buy it now prices. >> They will not care until it hurt$ them. >> >> >> >>> Thanks Brantley >>> >>> You summed it up exactly right. >>> >>> Also I cannot figure out why ebay keeps changing its format. I don't >>> give a >>> hoot about what ebay thinks are favorite items and they probably do not >>> either, there's probably some trick there like top sellers get their >>> junk >>> listed first. Hands up who'd like to see most recently listed first. >>> >>> And the management idiots who approved the new paging format where >>> for the >>> page to reload you first get shot to the top of the screen (oh! I'm >>> on a new >>> page, kind of looks like the one I was on) and as you start to scroll >>> down >>> the page reloads. Do others have this issue? >>> >>> I have a friend at ebay and offered to explain to whoever in the company >>> what was pissing off "loyal" ebayers like myself. >>> >>> Just a bit surprised when I was told the answer internally was "oh >>> yes, the >>> collecting nutters". >>> >>> Say WHAT? So Ebay would run much better if one did not have all these >>> sellers and buyers eating up the bandwidth? >>> >>> Obviously someone does not get it! >>> >>> best >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:21 AM, wrote: >>> >>> >>>> In a message dated 1/22/2009 4:04:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, >>>> Kuglarb@wmconnect.com writes: >>>> >>>> Let's face it phono lovers...ebay is not, and will not be what it >>>> used to >>>> be. >>>> Ebay is a great example of a company that was successful in making >>>> money >>>> and >>>> at the same time pleasing it's LOYAL customers. Now, ebay has >>>> become a >>>> greedy business whose number one goal is to make money, regardless >>>> of how >>>> it >>>> affects the customer. >>>> >>>> I got a real kick out of this morning's news when there was a story >>>> that >>>> stated that EVEN ebay is feeling the crunches of this bad economy. >>>> The >>>> newscaster >>>> went on to say that according to ebay, the reason was because there >>>> were >>>> no >>>> big desirable Christmas items this year. No, ebay. That's not the >>>> reason. >>>> >>>> The reason is because some of the customers are getting fed up with >>>> the _ >>>> _ >>>> _ >>>> _ that your company is pulling over on them. >>>> >>>> I have joined several of you on this group that will not sell or >>>> buy on >>>> ebay. >>>> It will take many more of us; but this is the only way that this >>>> greedy >>>> company is going to face up. >>>> >>>> Also, have any of you noticed the fraud that has increased with ebay? >>>> Examples are the stolen pictures placed with items, people not getting >>>> their >>>> goods, >>>> etc., etc., etc. >>>> >>>> My hobbies, including phonograph and record collecting, have not >>>> suffered >>>> one >>>> bit from my divorce from ebay. In fact, I find myself spending >>>> more time >>>> enjoying my collections. Just think, if most people would stop >>>> their love >>>> affair >>>> with ebay, they could enjoy their nice Victor V with a cool Billy >>>> Murray >>>> singing out the hits! >>>> >>>> You know...I think ebay really did me a favor. Thanks ebay for >>>> your work >>>> in >>>> >>>> causing me to sever my ties with you. The divorce was cheap. It >>>> didn't >>>> cost >>>> me a thing. >>>> >>>> That's all I got to say. You all take care and as always... >>>> >>>> Keep 'em running at 78...rpms that is! >>>> >>>> Brantley >>>> Williston, S.C. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm with ye, Brantly! >>>> >>>> I haven't used e-bay (other than for entertainment, a la Harvey K) >>>> since >>>> they went to Pay Pal or Nada. >>>> >>>> Now, Nada n' I will go play a record on a Victor Talking Machine and we >>>> will >>>> enjoy the music. >>>> >>>> See y'all later! >>>> >>>> Edward, in Zigzag >>>> **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in >>>> between, >>>> stay >>>> up-to-date with the latest news. >>>> (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023 >>>> >>>> ) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: >> 270.10.13/1914 - Release Date: 1/24/2009 8:40 PM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From darren at ingram.fi Mon Jan 26 03:00:55 2009 From: darren at ingram.fi (D P Ingram) Date: Mon Jan 26 03:01:14 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay opera auction that was a photo In-Reply-To: <470290.71637.qm@web57507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <470290.71637.qm@web57507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think someone should send the author of the "eBay guide" (sic) a guide to writing... From wilenzick at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 27 11:32:34 2009 From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (Raymond Wilenzick) Date: Tue Jan 27 11:32:43 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Crapophone sales on eBay Message-ID: <000701c980b6$01b28650$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> What, if anything, can be done to stop the awful crapophone listings from China on eBay. For years these things were offered for pennies but with $400 shipping costs. Looks like that didn't fly, so now the shipping is free and $400 "Buy It Now" is being used. It wouldn't be quite so bad if they were sold as reproductions, but the auctions imply that they are real antiques (from the Ming Dynasty perhaps!). Are there really that many suckers out there that buy this junk? Ray From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Tue Jan 27 15:11:00 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Tue Jan 27 15:11:18 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Crapophone sales on eBay Message-ID: Ray, What's amazing is that I have seem them sell at auction for big money! The last one sold for over $800.00 and I even informed the auction company and the buyer that this was total junk from China and they did not pay any attention to me. As P.T. Barnum once put it...... Well you all know. Have a great week. Brantley Williston, S.C. From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Tue Jan 27 15:35:45 2009 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 27 15:36:58 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! Message-ID: HI WALT AND ALL YOU should have come to our florida show it was a good show but sure could have used more sellers and buyers zono In a message dated 1/23/2009 6:38:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, waltsommers@comcast.net writes: This is why I love going to shows instead of online venues: meeting people, digging through junk, shaking hands, talking, getting to know people, etc... If you leave feedback, do so honestly. If he sent it in a timely fashion and it was what you expected, then nailing him with low DSR ratings is dishonest. I, too, object to the notion of demanding feedback and have never asked for someone to leave it for me in 10 years and over 5,000 sales but that has never been cause for me to act in a retaliatory manner (tempted though I was a few times). Thankfully I have always found that I am in fact a much bigger man than that. I just dump the emotional stigma of having been made to feel extorted and I always leave the feedback I had intended anyway. I treat them, so much as I am able, in the kind and generous way that I would prefer to be treated. This is always the correct course because it satisfies my conscience in an objective manner and is far more profitable to me and others. Just because people are mean, unpleasant, pushy, rude, etc. is never a reason for me to emulate their behavior. If some mean guy sends me some phonograph parts that I bought from him and they show up in a timely fashion and in the condition I was anticipating, that's a positive rating with across the board 4.0 DSR ratings, even if he plays the feedback hostage-extortion game. If they had a check box to rate personalities there might be an honest reason to leave a 1.0, but otherwise, I've got genuinely better things to do. It is not the pushy hustle-bustle people whose lack of business and interpersonal skills are so weak that they cannot say thank you without being thanked first that bug me: people like that have always been around and they are easy to work with really. It is far worse and more damaging when someone willfully misrepresents or encourages another to knowingly misrepresent products and services as a way of damaging that person simply to satisfy an emotional urge. (BTW: Sgt Bill, I found an original instruction sheet for the VV 2-65 that you need so you don't have to make do with the VV 2-55 sheet I was going to send. I hope to get the copies tomorrow. They will be in the mail probably Monday.) - Walt Rich wrote: > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as > a 1. If they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > buck Buchanan wrote: >> I just received this email from a seller. >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist >> >> This was his message to me: >> >> Hi! >> >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the >> same. >> >> All the best, >> >> Randy >> >> This will be my reply: >> >> Randy, >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back >> from the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am >> joining a growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that >> first leaves it for the buyer. >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method >> that you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill >> >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails >> to send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do >> what you would like with his feed back. >> >> Thank you Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 7:28 AM > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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George P. -----Original Message----- From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:40 am Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine Hi, I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being brought back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in getting a nice bright shine back? Thanks much. Brantley _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Tue Jan 27 16:50:45 2009 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) Date: Tue Jan 27 16:51:43 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Horn Needed Message-ID: Hi phonolovers. I am in need of an early original 17" Victor petal horn, or original19 1/2 inch brass bell horn for a Victor I. If you have one for sale, please let me know. Thanks. Brantley Williston, S.C. From ethanuel1 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 19:57:41 2009 From: ethanuel1 at yahoo.com (wayne holznagel) Date: Tue Jan 27 19:57:53 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] FREE Phongraph Parts Catalog Price List Message-ID: <402005.37733.qm@web111415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello Folks, I have been delaying a new project until just the right thing came along.? It did today. For FREE - yes, to all the new list members it is FREE - a scanned copy of an Everybody's Talking Machine Co., Inc New Revised Price List.? It is 55 pages in length.? Mostly it is nothing but items and prices . . . no pictures.? But the really good part is the description it gives for Honest Quaker Main Springs.? Ever wonder what generic mainspring would work on your machine?? It is esp good for those off brands.? It is also a wonderful suppliment to the Artophone Catalog I gave away a few years ago. Example of what the catalog lists: No 63? 1 3/16" x .028 x 18 feet, HONEST QUAKER for Windsor, Harponola, Pathe XII, XVII, Actuelles and Period types, STradivaria, STrand, Cheney, Large Type Starr, Scoville, Brooks Automatic, Okeh, Best-tone, Independent, Cathedral, Claxtonala, , etc, pear shaped holes . . . . . . .85 Now the fine print of this offer, I only will make one run of the cds.? One run.? I may save one for myself to use in the future but then again . . .? I tend to lose things so please do not count on this being available again.? I will scan the catalog to file, transfer the file to CD, and mail it to you free of charge.? Note, free of charge shipping is free to the continental US.? Howver, usually I can ship CDs to other countries for a few penneys more so can normally absorb the cost here to.? Howver, if the international shipping is high I may ask you to reimburse me for the shipping. Some people have wanted to pay me in the past.? Not necesary.? However, if you want you can give a donation to your local child protection services support organization (this is in most counties) in the name of Ethanual Holznagel.? It's up to you.? In my county this non profit group gives a gift card to each foster child of $25.? These children do not always have a family to share the holiday with.? They are not, at least in my state, eligable for the Salvation Army Angel Trees and other holiday fund raisers.? Many of these kids simply do without for birthdays and holidays.? The group may also help to fund PRIDE classes in your area.? PRIDE classes are in depth training classes?required in?most states?for prospective foster/adopt parents.? Again, this is totally up to you.? I plan to start scanning the catalog on Weds morning.? If my pc cooperates I should be done on Friday.? I hope to start shipping the CDs no later than early next week.? If you are interested please respond OFF LIST . . . to ethanuel1@yahoo.com .? I will acknowledge your email that you are added to the list.? I plan? to make about a dozen CDs so please send a note quickly if you are interested. Happy Collecting. <:)> Wayne H ? My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ From tnnrec at aol.com Wed Jan 28 12:26:15 2009 From: tnnrec at aol.com (tnnrec@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 28 12:31:44 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: <20090128200004.73D1E135F41@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> References: <20090128200004.73D1E135F41@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Message-ID: <8CB4F9DCD9861EA-13A8-DAD@WEBMAIL-MY16.sysops.aol.com> I think some of the purchases you see are phony setups to pull others in. You see that on everyday ebay items that go higher than they are worth. There are too many games on ebay..............Have purchased some things and got a deal or fair price, but many you just shake your head at! -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-request@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 3:00 pm Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 22 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-request@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-owner@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Crapophone sales on eBay (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) 2. Re: Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! (Zonophone2006@aol.com) 3. Re: Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine (Zonophone2006@aol.com) 4. Victor Horn Needed (Kuglarb@wmconnect.com) 5. FREE Phongraph Parts Catalog Price List (wayne holznagel) --------------- ------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:11:00 EST From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Crapophone sales on eBay To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Ray, What's amazing is that I have seem them sell at auction for big money! The last one sold for over $800.00 and I even informed the auction company and the buyer that this was total junk from China and they did not pay any attention to me. As P.T. Barnum once put it...... Well you all know. Have a great week. Brantley Williston, S.C. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:35:45 EST From: Zonophone2006@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" HI WALT AND ALL YOU should have come to our florida show it was a good show but sure could have used more sellers and buyers zono In a message dated 1/23/2009 6:38:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, waltsommers@comcast.net writes: This is why I love going to shows instead of online venues: meeting people, digging through junk, shaking hands, talking, getting to know people, etc... If you leave feedback, do so honestly. If he sent it in a timely fashion and20it was what you expected, then nailing him with low DSR ratings is dishonest. I, too, object to the notion of demanding feedback and have never asked for someone to leave it for me in 10 years and over 5,000 sales but that has never been cause for me to act in a retaliatory manner (tempted though I was a few times). Thankfully I have always found that I am in fact a much bigger man than that. I just dump the emotional stigma of having been made to feel extorted and I always leave the feedback I had intended anyway. I treat them, so much as I am able, in the kind and generous way that I would prefer to be treated. This is always the correct course because it satisfies my conscience in an objective manner and is far more profitable to me and others. Just because people are mean, unpleasant, pushy, rude, etc. is never a reason for me to emulate their behavior. If some mean guy sends me some phonograph parts that I bought from him and they show up in a timely fashion and in the condition I was anticipating, that's a positive rating with across the board 4.0 DSR ratings, even if he plays the feedback hostage-extortion game. If they had a check box to rate personalities there might be an honest reason to leave a 1.0, but otherwise, I've got genuinely better things to do. It is not the pushy hustle-bustle people whose lack of business and interpersonal skills are so weak that they cannot say thank you without being thanked first that bug me: people like that have always been around and they are easy to work with really. It is far worse and more damaging when someone willfully misrepresents or encourages another to knowingly misrepresent products and services as a way of damaging that person simply to satisfy an emotional urge. (BTW: Sgt Bill, I found an original instruction sheet for the VV 2-65 that you need so you don't have to make do with the VV 2-55 sheet I was going to send. I hope to get the copies tomorrow. They will be in the mail probably Monday.) - Walt Rich wrote: > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as > a 1. If they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > buck Buchanan wrote: >> I just received this email from a seller. >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist >> >> This was his message to me: >> >> Hi! >> >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the >> same. >> >> All the best, >> >> Randy >> >> This will be my reply: >> >> Randy, >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back >> from the seller is being withheld as a hostage.=2 0Because of this I am >> joining a growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that >> first leaves it for the buyer. >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method >> that you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill >> >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails >> to send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do >> what you would like with his feed back. >> >> Thank you Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 7:28 AM > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir= http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:37:50 EST From: Zonophone2006@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" you are so right george just dont do that in sarasota they rape us at the polisher lol rob In a message dated 1/24/2009 2:31:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gpaul2000@aol.com writes: I take mine to a professional refurbisher of brass band instruments.? In the summers, he's often busy with school instruments, but during the fall and winter is a better time.? I've spent 4-5 hours working on the bell of a 42" horn, only to take a similar horn to the refurbisher and have it look much better for $80.00.? For my money/time, there's no question of which is the better route.? Check your yellow pages, and good luck! George P. -----Original Message----- From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:40 am Subject: [Phono-L] Suggestions On Getting A Nice Shine Hi, I have several original brass bell horns that are in need of being brought back to life. The brass is dull. What do you experts recommend in getting a nice bright shine back? Thanks much. Brantley _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.ol dcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir= http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:50:45 EST From: Kuglarb@wmconnect.com Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Horn Needed To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi phonolovers. I am in need of an early original 17" Victor petal horn, or original19 1/2 inch brass bell horn for a Victor I. If you have one for sale, please let me know. Thanks. Brantley Williston, S.C. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:57:41 -0800 (PST) From: wayne holznagel Subject: [Phono-L] FREE Phongraph Parts Catalog Price List To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Message-ID: <402005.37733.qm@web111415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello Folks, I have been delaying a new project until just the right thing came along.? It did today. For FREE - yes, to all the new list members it is FREE - a scanned copy of an Everybody's Talking Machine Co., Inc New Revised Price List.? It is 55 pages in length.? Mostly it is nothing but items and prices . . . no pictures.? But the really good part is the description it gives for Honest Quaker Main Springs.? Ever wonder what generic mainspring would work on your machine?? It is esp good for those off brands.? It is also a wonderful suppliment to the Artophone Catalog I gave away a few years ago. Example of what the catalog lists: No 63? 1 3/16" x .028 x 18 feet, HONEST QUAKER for Windsor, Harponola, Pathe XII, XVII, Actuelles and Period types, STradivaria, STrand, Cheney, Large Type Starr, Scoville, Brooks Automatic, Okeh, Best-tone, Independent, Cathedral, Claxtonala, , etc, pear shaped holes . . . . . . .85 Now the fine print of this offer, I only will make one run of the cds.? One run.? I may save one for myself to use in the future but then again . . .? I tend to lose things so please do not count on this being available again.? I will scan the catalog to file, transfer the file to CD, and mail it to you free of charge.? Note, free of charge shipping is free to the continental US.? Howver, usually I can ship CDs to other countries for a few penneys more so can normally absorb the cost here to.? Howver, if the international shipping is high I may ask you to reimburse me for the shipping. Some people have wanted to pay me in the past.? Not necesary.? However, if you want y ou can give a donation to your local child protection services support organization (this is in most counties) in the name of Ethanual Holznagel.? It's up to you.? In my county this non profit group gives a gift card to each foster child of $25.? These children do not always have a family to share the holiday with.? They are not, at least in my state, eligable for the Salvation Army Angel Trees and other holiday fund raisers.? 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My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org End of Phono-L Digest, V ol 6, Issue 22 ************************************** From leroybarco at abq.com Thu Jan 29 07:23:00 2009 From: leroybarco at abq.com (LeRoy Barco) Date: Thu Jan 29 07:23:21 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Crapo-phones(three) needed! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The set designer for the movie "The Book of Eli" needs three identical crapo-phones for the movie. I directed her to the ECWORLD-IMPORTS eBoy store but she says they aren't shipping them anymore. Since she wants three, I'm guessing one or all will be sacrificed to mayhem of some sort.(yeah!) Even if the effort, delay and expense in finding three identical authentic open horn machines was not a problem, I would not want to contribute to destroying "real" machines. Let me know if anyone has any leads... I'm sure she'll pay reasonable prices to make her director?s effort work. Thanks, LeRoy From funks2 at comcast.net Thu Jan 29 07:30:34 2009 From: funks2 at comcast.net (funk) Date: Thu Jan 29 07:30:46 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Crapo-phones(three) needed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D55EE06741B4D2A8C36E398AD4E9CD0@your4dacd0ea75> AA Importing has sold them for years. It is a wholesale company only. There are branches in St. Louis and California. Here is the web address: http://aaimporting.com/ You have to have a resale number to purchase from them. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of LeRoy Barco Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:23 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Crapo-phones(three) needed! The set designer for the movie "The Book of Eli" needs three identical crapo-phones for the movie. I directed her to the ECWORLD-IMPORTS eBoy store but she says they aren't shipping them anymore. Since she wants three, I'm guessing one or all will be sacrificed to mayhem of some sort.(yeah!) Even if the effort, delay and expense in finding three identical authentic open horn machines was not a problem, I would not want to contribute to destroying "real" machines. Let me know if anyone has any leads... I'm sure she'll pay reasonable prices to make her director?s effort work. Thanks, LeRoy _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From AllenAmet at aol.com Fri Jan 30 10:38:35 2009 From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 30 10:39:01 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] VivaTonal 122? Message-ID: Hi, Does any one have a good photo of a Columbia portable VivaTonal Model 122? Was it American or British? Thanks! Allen **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From wilenzick at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 30 13:56:45 2009 From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (Raymond Wilenzick) Date: Fri Jan 30 14:03:38 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono items for sale Message-ID: <000801c98325$a594f0c0$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> Misc. Phono Items for Sale I have the following items for sale. Offering to list before putting anything on eBay. If there is anything you might be interested in, please contact me off list for photos and more information. First come, first served. Thanks. Ray wilenzick@bellsouth.net 1.. British cactus needle sharpener, in original box. $25 2.. Adapter to allow use of small cyl. reproducer in large carriage. $25 3.. Nickled end piece for Columbia screw-in wood horn. $40 4.. Hokie Pokie sound machine, truck rides on record, new in box. $40 5.. Edison cylinder recorder, nice but missing stylus. $60 6.. Model C reproducer, nice but has slight nickel wear. $85 7.. 2 Model C reproducers, excellent, in original boxes. $120 each. 8.. 2 Model H reproducers, excellent in orig. boxes, have the green stain. $100 each. 9.. Victor Exhibition reproducer, orig. box, flange hardened. $75 10.. Concert 5 in. slip-on mandrel, may have been re-nickled. $60 11.. Cygnet horn back bracket, excellent paint and nickel . $60 12.. Pathe salon empty cylinder boxes, all nice, have 13. $10 each. 13.. RCA Victor wine glasses, have logo, machine and dog etched, set of 2. $25 14.. Columbia brown wax cylinders, all nice, no mold. Ask for list and prices. From harveykravitz at yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 17:03:05 2009 From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Fri Jan 30 17:03:17 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono items for sale In-Reply-To: <000801c98325$a594f0c0$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> Message-ID: <855415.54366.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Ray, I am interested in the Cactus needle sharpener, reducer ring for a large carriage, and the Columbia nickled end. Is the Columbia end original or a repro? Is the reducer ring pot metal,? steel or brass? Can you email me pictures of them? All the best, Harvey Kravitz --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Raymond Wilenzick wrote: From: Raymond Wilenzick Subject: [Phono-L] Phono items for sale To: phonolist@yahoogroups.com, Phono-L@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 1:56 PM Misc. Phono Items for Sale I have the following items for sale. Offering to list before putting anything on eBay. If there is anything you might be interested in, please contact me off list for photos and more information. First come, first served. Thanks. Ray wilenzick@bellsouth.net 1.. British cactus needle sharpener, in original box. $25 2.. Adapter to allow use of small cyl. reproducer in large carriage. $25 3.. Nickled end piece for Columbia screw-in wood horn. $40 4.. Hokie Pokie sound machine, truck rides on record, new in box. $40 5.. Edison cylinder recorder, nice but missing stylus. $60 6.. Model C reproducer, nice but has slight nickel wear. $85 7.. 2 Model C reproducers, excellent, in original boxes. $120 each. 8.. 2 Model H reproducers, excellent in orig. boxes, have the green stain. $100 each. 9.. Victor Exhibition reproducer, orig. box, flange hardened. $75 10.. Concert 5 in. slip-on mandrel, may have been re-nickled. $60 11.. Cygnet horn back bracket, excellent paint and nickel . $60 12.. Pathe salon empty cylinder boxes, all nice, have 13. $10 each. 13.. RCA Victor wine glasses, have logo, machine and dog etched, set of 2. $25 14.. Columbia brown wax cylinders, all nice, no mold. Ask for list and prices. _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From klinger at modex.com Fri Jan 30 18:28:39 2009 From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger) Date: Fri Jan 30 18:29:00 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] [SPAM] ARSC Conference Recordings 2008: free online Message-ID: <81ED443C63D54D4AB159841C7E97EF6A@billqbszr49l7m> The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click on the e-mail address below. --- ARSC CONFERENCE 2008: RECORDINGS AVAILABLE FREE ONLINE --- Audio recordings of all presentations made during the 2008 ARSC Conference at Stanford University are freely available online in MP3 format at: http://www.arsc-audio.org/conference/audio2008/ In some cases, PowerPoint slides and other supplementary materials are included. For those who joined us in Palo Alto, we hope you'll enjoy this chance to relive the memories, and to catch up on the sessions you missed. For anyone who has yet to attend an ARSC conference, here's a good opportunity to find out some of what you're missing. Questions about the recordings should be addressed to ARSC Program Chair David Giovannoni at: dgio-arsc@comcast.net The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals -- everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound. From nipper27 at COMCAST.NET Fri Jan 30 19:36:47 2009 From: nipper27 at COMCAST.NET (Nick Manolakis) Date: Fri Jan 30 19:37:02 2009 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Phono-L] Phono items for sale References: <000801c98325$a594f0c0$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> Message-ID: <0474062164094F9780539633B8C7D081@ginabhw374k2jd> Hi Ray Can you please email me a pic of the 3.. Nickled end piece for Columbia screw-in wood horn. $40 Amgmetro@comcast.net Thank you Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wilenzick" To: ; Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Phono items for sale Misc. Phono Items for Sale I have the following items for sale. Offering to list before putting anything on eBay. If there is anything you might be interested in, please contact me off list for photos and more information. First come, first served. Thanks. Ray wilenzick@bellsouth.net 1.. British cactus needle sharpener, in original box. $25 2.. Adapter to allow use of small cyl. reproducer in large carriage. $25 3.. Nickled end piece for Columbia screw-in wood horn. $40 4.. Hokie Pokie sound machine, truck rides on record, new in box. $40 5.. Edison cylinder recorder, nice but missing stylus. $60 6.. Model C reproducer, nice but has slight nickel wear. $85 7.. 2 Model C reproducers, excellent, in original boxes. $120 each. 8.. 2 Model H reproducers, excellent in orig. boxes, have the green stain. $100 each. 9.. Victor Exhibition reproducer, orig. box, flange hardened. $75 10.. Concert 5 in. slip-on mandrel, may have been re-nickled. $60 11.. Cygnet horn back bracket, excellent paint and nickel . $60 12.. Pathe salon empty cylinder boxes, all nice, have 13. $10 each. 13.. RCA Victor wine glasses, have logo, machine and dog etched, set of 2. $25 14.. Columbia brown wax cylinders, all nice, no mold. Ask for list and prices. _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From tmax at wf.net Sat Jan 31 13:00:25 2009 From: tmax at wf.net (Don Maxwell) Date: Sat Jan 31 13:22:12 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] [SPAM] Maroon Gem motor needed Message-ID: I need an Edison Maroon Gem motor, D or E model. I have a good case without the guts. If anyone in phonoland has one they could let go, please contact me off list. If you have one in a bad case, that will work. Thanks. Don