From lherault at bu.edu Mon Sep 1 09:50:05 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:50:05 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed Message-ID: OK, gang, it is time to tap into the lists' wisdom. I'm working on an Amberola 30. The hook came unsoldered and the reproducer needed a rebuild. Those two easy repairs (the spring was in the case)completed, I tested the phonograph and found that the speed is a bit erratic. It will sound nice, then slow just a bit then return to speed for a while only to slow again. The carriage moves easily and the horn bobbles and rotates as it should. The governor is lubricated and the pad has been oiled. There is no evidence of crud or damage to the governor disk. There were a few teeth on the large hear that had a bit of damage but a bit of judicious filing has cured the noise the damage created, and besides, the speed variation is more random than the cycle of the gear noise. I'm thinking that the mainspring may need to be removed, cleaned and re-lubricated but I thought I might see if there is anything else I missed before tearing it apart. Thanks, Ron L From rich-mail at octoxol.com Mon Sep 1 10:56:07 2008 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:56:07 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48BC2CB7.20606@octoxol.com> Replace the felt pads that bear against the governor disk and skip the oil. Use real felt, F-1 or F-2 grade. Ron L'Herault wrote: > OK, gang, it is time to tap into the lists' wisdom. I'm working on an > Amberola 30. The hook came unsoldered and the reproducer needed a rebuild. > Those two easy repairs (the spring was in the case)completed, I tested the > phonograph and found that the speed is a bit erratic. It will sound nice, > then slow just a bit then return to speed for a while only to slow again. > The carriage moves easily and the horn bobbles and rotates as it should. > The governor is lubricated and the pad has been oiled. There is no evidence > of crud or damage to the governor disk. There were a few teeth on the large > hear that had a bit of damage but a bit of judicious filing has cured the > noise the damage created, and besides, the speed variation is more random > than the cycle of the gear noise. I'm thinking that the mainspring may need > to be removed, cleaned and re-lubricated but I thought I might see if there > is anything else I missed before tearing it apart. > > Thanks, > > Ron L > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From andy at popyrus.com Mon Sep 1 11:33:42 2008 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:33:42 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C2F8B4B-1CC5-4A5E-BCAF-5C520068B2D3@popyrus.com> Hi Ron ~ Is the slowing - resuming interval regular or random? Random indicates a change that can't be predicted such as turns of the mainspring coil binding or slipping, and of course regular slowing - resuming (as you've already cited) indicates that it's related to the rotation of a particular gear or gears, arbor or bushing. Another cause of unpredictable slowing can be mesh of two gears in and out of existing worn-tooth or worn-bushing areas. In general, once there's sufficient loading by the power of the mainspring, the gear shafts move against one end plate or the other in a predictable way, so they don't swim in and out of existing worn areas, but it's possible to have TWO or more issues that interrelate, adding to the seeming randomness of the action and making it difficult to pinpoint the causes. An example of this would be that the mainspring has some binding with resulting loss of power, which in turn causes one or more gear shafts to slide away from their normal lash-seated positions, which in turn causes the mesh or shaft to move in and out of a wear area at the whim of an unpredictable mainspring. Yet another cause for the symptom you describe are gear sides (not the toothed edges) that rub, either against the motor frame or plate, or against another gear. I had a Columbia BN once that had this problem due to a press-fit mainspring output gear that wasn't quite perpendicular to its shaft. The side wall of this output gear would rub on the side of an adjoining gear in a relatively predictable way and was somewhat hard to notice. Mainspring barrel lids that aren't fully seated can cause this as well, although these issues aren't as likely on a geared (no belt) Amberola motor. The key to your search will be how predictable or not the slowing- speeding up routine is. I hope this has given you some direction. Let us know what you find. Andy Baron Santa Fe On Sep 1, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Ron L'Herault wrote: > OK, gang, it is time to tap into the lists' wisdom. I'm working on an > Amberola 30. The hook came unsoldered and the reproducer needed a > rebuild. > Those two easy repairs (the spring was in the case)completed, I > tested the > phonograph and found that the speed is a bit erratic. It will sound > nice, > then slow just a bit then return to speed for a while only to slow > again. > The carriage moves easily and the horn bobbles and rotates as it > should. > The governor is lubricated and the pad has been oiled. There is no > evidence > of crud or damage to the governor disk. There were a few teeth on > the large > hear that had a bit of damage but a bit of judicious filing has > cured the > noise the damage created, and besides, the speed variation is more > random > than the cycle of the gear noise. I'm thinking that the mainspring > may need > to be removed, cleaned and re-lubricated but I thought I might see > if there > is anything else I missed before tearing it apart. > > Thanks, > > Ron L > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From esroberto at hotmail.com Mon Sep 1 12:22:43 2008 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:22:43 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed References: Message-ID: I'd check for rust, corrosion, or damage to the feedscrew. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron L'Herault" To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" ; Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed > OK, gang, it is time to tap into the lists' wisdom. I'm working on an > Amberola 30. The hook came unsoldered and the reproducer needed a > rebuild. > Those two easy repairs (the spring was in the case)completed, I tested the > phonograph and found that the speed is a bit erratic. It will sound nice, > then slow just a bit then return to speed for a while only to slow again. > The carriage moves easily and the horn bobbles and rotates as it should. > The governor is lubricated and the pad has been oiled. There is no > evidence > of crud or damage to the governor disk. There were a few teeth on the > large > hear that had a bit of damage but a bit of judicious filing has cured the > noise the damage created, and besides, the speed variation is more random > than the cycle of the gear noise. I'm thinking that the mainspring may > need > to be removed, cleaned and re-lubricated but I thought I might see if > there > is anything else I missed before tearing it apart. > > Thanks, > > Ron L > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From kend at lemur.org Mon Sep 1 13:37:12 2008 From: kend at lemur.org (Ken Danckaert) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:37:12 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Your problem is in the mainspring. It needs to be pulled and ALL the old lubrication removed. 4"0" steel wool and wd40 will do that. Relube and put the spring back in. That will get rid of the problem. DON'T soak it in kerosene or some other short cut to cleaning. The old stuff has got to come off the spring. Ken Danckaert On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: > OK, gang, it is time to tap into the lists' wisdom. I'm working on an > Amberola 30. The hook came unsoldered and the reproducer needed a rebuild. > Those two easy repairs (the spring was in the case)completed, I tested the > phonograph and found that the speed is a bit erratic. It will sound nice, > then slow just a bit then return to speed for a while only to slow again. > The carriage moves easily and the horn bobbles and rotates as it should. > The governor is lubricated and the pad has been oiled. There is no > evidence > of crud or damage to the governor disk. There were a few teeth on the > large > hear that had a bit of damage but a bit of judicious filing has cured the > noise the damage created, and besides, the speed variation is more random > than the cycle of the gear noise. I'm thinking that the mainspring may > need > to be removed, cleaned and re-lubricated but I thought I might see if there > is anything else I missed before tearing it apart. > > Thanks, > > Ron L > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From Bruce78rpm at comcast.net Mon Sep 1 13:53:47 2008 From: Bruce78rpm at comcast.net (BruceY) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:53:47 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Gramophone Company Period style victrola ? Message-ID: <000a01c90c74$d507af00$6401a8c0@user52c8f93503> I have just been contacted by a lady in Massachusetts who has what appears to be a very large and elaborate Period Style Cabinet Victrola. It has Victor Victrola Style parts, and #2 Reproducer, but inside the elaborate cabinet are the words Gramophone Co. This is an internal horn style victrola but for some reason it also has an additional early style electric pickup and tone arm with it. It does have a motor in it to turn the turntable, and I will see if the owner can identify it as either the early induction or universal type. Can anyone out there, maybe some of our friends across the pond positively identify the cabinet styles that were used in the Gramophone Company Period style victrolas. If you think you can, I will gladly send you some photos of the this monster for you to identify and get back to me. It is a real "space taker upper" and I must admit I have never ever seen one of these before. I checked Look for the dog and it does not match any of the Victor Period Style Cabinets. She said this was originally purchased from a Wellesley, Massachusetts estate aution. thanks for your help on this. Bruce From cdh041 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 1 14:17:58 2008 From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:17:58 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Gramophone Company Period style victrola ? Message-ID: <410-22008911211758359@earthlink.net> One thing that will funnel us into the era of the Victrola's manufacture is the electric pickup, if nothing else. With Victor, it couldn't have been before 1925. Also, the induction disc motor appeared with the introduction of the Orthophonic phonographs. That seems to track with Bob Baumbach. Now, we need to remember that a lot of cities had DC power districts, so the universal motor was kept in the catalogues along with the induction disc motor. The universal motor began about 1915, but not the magnetic pickup!! The only other thought on this is, that this Victrola could have began its life with a spring motor and acoustic sound chamber. If the cabinet is as fine as it seems to be from the descriptions, the owner could have had a dealer do a conversion. > [Original Message] > From: BruceY > To: > Cc: > Date: 9/1/2008 4:50:38 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Gramophone Company Period style victrola ? > > I have just been contacted by a lady in Massachusetts who has what appears to be a very large and elaborate Period Style Cabinet Victrola. It has Victor Victrola Style parts, and #2 Reproducer, but inside the elaborate cabinet are the words Gramophone Co. This is an internal horn style victrola but for some reason it also has an additional early style electric pickup and tone arm with it. It does have a motor in it to turn the turntable, and I will see if the owner can identify it as either the early induction or universal type. Can anyone out there, maybe some of our friends across the pond positively identify the cabinet styles that were used in the Gramophone Company Period style victrolas. If you think you can, I will gladly send you some photos of the this monster for you to identify and get back to me. It is a real "space taker upper" and I must admit I have never ever seen one of these before. I checked Look for the dog and it does not match any of the Victor Period > Style Cabinets. She said this was originally purchased from a Wellesley, Massachusetts estate aution. thanks for your help on this. > > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From edisone1 at verizon.net Mon Sep 1 13:35:38 2008 From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:35:38 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison B-60 sold for $3801 References: Message-ID: $3801 for a B-60 in metal cabinet. When the bidding got over $1200 or so, the seller was so pleased, free shipping was offered! The Cygnet-type crane bracket on the rear puzzles me. Any thoughts on that ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-THOMAS-A-EDISON-PHONOGRAPH-METAL-TIN-CASE-1890_W0QQitemZ130248875831QQihZ003QQ From Bruce78rpm at comcast.net Mon Sep 1 14:59:40 2008 From: Bruce78rpm at comcast.net (BruceY) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:59:40 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Gramophone Company Period style victrola ? References: <410-22008911211758359@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005001c90c7e$0927b6a0$6401a8c0@user52c8f93503> Ok here is some clarification on this beast!! Here is the photo of the Cabinet. I will warn you though this is starting to look like a Frankenphone to me. The lady just sent me some addtional information. She told me initially that the word stamped on the Cabinet said Gramophone, but upon closer inspection it says "Graphophone"!!! Also inside one of the draws was an ID plate that I will assume belongs to the motor, and it identifies the motor as "Electric Phonograph Motor for Alternating Current only" 100/120 volts 20-60 mfg. for the Pathe/Freres Co. by General Electric!! So we appear to have a Columbia Case, a Pathe motor and Victor parts!! Not a very good sign indeed. Let me know what you think about the case, she said it opens up to reveal the phonograph, the two middle doors open for the horn and the two on either side are for records storage. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Houston" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gramophone Company Period style victrola ? > One thing that will funnel us into the era of the Victrola's manufacture > is > the electric pickup, if nothing else. With Victor, it couldn't have been > before 1925. Also, the induction disc motor appeared with the > introduction > of the Orthophonic phonographs. That seems to track with Bob Baumbach. > Now, > we need to remember that a lot of cities had DC power districts, so the > universal motor was kept in the catalogues along with the induction disc > motor. The universal motor began about 1915, but not the magnetic pickup!! > > The only other thought on this is, that this Victrola could have began its > life with a spring motor and acoustic sound chamber. If the cabinet is as > fine as it seems to be from the descriptions, the owner could have had a > dealer do a conversion. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: BruceY >> To: >> Cc: >> Date: 9/1/2008 4:50:38 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Gramophone Company Period style victrola ? >> >> I have just been contacted by a lady in Massachusetts who has what > appears to be a very large and elaborate Period Style Cabinet Victrola. > It > has Victor Victrola Style parts, and #2 Reproducer, but inside the > elaborate cabinet are the words Gramophone Co. This is an internal horn > style victrola but for some reason it also has an additional early style > electric pickup and tone arm with it. It does have a motor in it to turn > the turntable, and I will see if the owner can identify it as either the > early induction or universal type. Can anyone out there, maybe some of our > friends across the pond positively identify the cabinet styles that were > used in the Gramophone Company Period style victrolas. If you think you > can, I will gladly send you some photos of the this monster for you to > identify and get back to me. It is a real "space taker upper" and I must > admit I have never ever seen one of these before. I checked Look for the > dog and it does not match any of the Victor Period >> Style Cabinets. She said this was originally purchased from a > Wellesley, Massachusetts estate aution. thanks for your help on this. >> >> Bruce >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ahunter01 at comcast.net Mon Sep 1 16:33:42 2008 From: ahunter01 at comcast.net (Aaron Hunter) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:33:42 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed References: Message-ID: <48BC7BD6.30208@comcast.net> Make sure the governor slides easily on it's shaft. You could loosen the screw holding the assembly in position to see if it easily slides back and forth. Of course, the governor would have to be removed from the motor to be able to remove the shaft for proper cleaning. Aaron >---------------- >Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:50:05 -0400 >From: "Ron L'Herault" >Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed >I tested the >phonograph and found that the speed is a bit erratic. It will sound nice, >then slow just a bit then return to speed for a while only to slow again. > > > From Phonophan at aol.com Mon Sep 1 18:57:41 2008 From: Phonophan at aol.com (Phonophan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:57:41 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Edison B-60 sold for $3801 Message-ID: The Cygnet horn bracket was added much later by someone who had some crazy idea about attaching an external horn to the machine. Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com In a message dated 9/1/2008 9:01:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, edisone1 at verizon.net writes: $3801 for a B-60 in metal cabinet. When the bidding got over $1200 or so, the seller was so pleased, free shipping was offered! The Cygnet-type crane bracket on the rear puzzles me. Any thoughts on that ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-THOMAS-A-EDISON-PHONOGRAPH-METAL-TIN-CASE-1890_W0Q QitemZ130248875831QQihZ003QQ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From esroberto at hotmail.com Mon Sep 1 20:43:22 2008 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:43:22 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed References: Message-ID: Last thought -- listen to a cylinder you know well and wait for the speed to drop. Back the reproducer up about 20 or 30 grooves and see if it does it in the same spot, within about 3 or 4 grooves. If so, it's not the mainspring, or anything other than something the carriage encounters near that physical location along the feedscrew, whether the contact point of half-nut to feedscrew, or the shaft the carriage rides along the length of the playback. Forgive me for speaking out of school, but if it were the mainspring, it just sems like there'd be no point at which you had reliable speed. These guys are the experts, but at least give the 30 this 'repeatable error' test first. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Danckaert" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed > Your problem is in the mainspring. It needs to be pulled and ALL the old > lubrication removed. 4"0" steel wool and wd40 will do that. Relube and > put > the spring back in. That will get rid of the problem. DON'T soak it in > kerosene or some other short cut to cleaning. The old stuff has got to > come > off the spring. > > Ken Danckaert > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: > >> OK, gang, it is time to tap into the lists' wisdom. I'm working on an >> Amberola 30. The hook came unsoldered and the reproducer needed a >> rebuild. >> Those two easy repairs (the spring was in the case)completed, I tested >> the >> phonograph and found that the speed is a bit erratic. It will sound nice, >> then slow just a bit then return to speed for a while only to slow again. >> The carriage moves easily and the horn bobbles and rotates as it should. >> The governor is lubricated and the pad has been oiled. There is no >> evidence >> of crud or damage to the governor disk. There were a few teeth on the >> large >> hear that had a bit of damage but a bit of judicious filing has cured the >> noise the damage created, and besides, the speed variation is more random >> than the cycle of the gear noise. I'm thinking that the mainspring may >> need >> to be removed, cleaned and re-lubricated but I thought I might see if >> there >> is anything else I missed before tearing it apart. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ron L >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From andersun at tampabay.rr.com Mon Sep 1 21:25:05 2008 From: andersun at tampabay.rr.com (Steve Andersen) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:25:05 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also check to make sure the mandrel has the tensioning steel springs in it. On Sep 1, 2008, at 11:43 PM, Robert Wright wrote: > Last thought -- listen to a cylinder you know well and wait for the > speed to > drop. Back the reproducer up about 20 or 30 grooves and see if it > does it > in the same spot, within about 3 or 4 grooves. If so, it's not the > mainspring, or anything other than something the carriage encounters > near > that physical location along the feedscrew, whether the contact > point of > half-nut to feedscrew, or the shaft the carriage rides along the > length of > the playback. Forgive me for speaking out of school, but if it were > the > mainspring, it just sems like there'd be no point at which you had > reliable > speed. These guys are the experts, but at least give the 30 this > 'repeatable error' test first. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Danckaert" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed > > >> Your problem is in the mainspring. It needs to be pulled and ALL >> the old >> lubrication removed. 4"0" steel wool and wd40 will do that. >> Relube and >> put >> the spring back in. That will get rid of the problem. DON'T soak >> it in >> kerosene or some other short cut to cleaning. The old stuff has >> got to >> come >> off the spring. >> >> Ken Danckaert >> >> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Ron L'Herault >> wrote: >> >>> OK, gang, it is time to tap into the lists' wisdom. I'm working >>> on an >>> Amberola 30. The hook came unsoldered and the reproducer needed a >>> rebuild. >>> Those two easy repairs (the spring was in the case)completed, I >>> tested >>> the >>> phonograph and found that the speed is a bit erratic. It will >>> sound nice, >>> then slow just a bit then return to speed for a while only to slow >>> again. >>> The carriage moves easily and the horn bobbles and rotates as it >>> should. >>> The governor is lubricated and the pad has been oiled. There is no >>> evidence >>> of crud or damage to the governor disk. There were a few teeth on >>> the >>> large >>> hear that had a bit of damage but a bit of judicious filing has >>> cured the >>> noise the damage created, and besides, the speed variation is more >>> random >>> than the cycle of the gear noise. I'm thinking that the >>> mainspring may >>> need >>> to be removed, cleaned and re-lubricated but I thought I might see >>> if >>> there >>> is anything else I missed before tearing it apart. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ron L >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rich-mail at octoxol.com Mon Sep 1 21:54:35 2008 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:54:35 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48BCC70B.6030408@octoxol.com> If the mainspring is slowing the motor down it will also thump to let you know where the problem is. If it is not thumping then it does not have enough drag to be causing the problem. If the lead screw is bent it will do just exactly what you describe and it will happen at the same spot more or less. You can look down the lead screw as it rotates and see if some errant hand has bowed it. They bend fairly easy. Robert Wright wrote: > Last thought -- listen to a cylinder you know well and wait for the speed to > drop. Back the reproducer up about 20 or 30 grooves and see if it does it > in the same spot, within about 3 or 4 grooves. If so, it's not the > mainspring, or anything other than something the carriage encounters near > that physical location along the feedscrew, whether the contact point of > half-nut to feedscrew, or the shaft the carriage rides along the length of > the playback. Forgive me for speaking out of school, but if it were the > mainspring, it just sems like there'd be no point at which you had reliable > speed. These guys are the experts, but at least give the 30 this > 'repeatable error' test first. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Danckaert" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed > > >> Your problem is in the mainspring. It needs to be pulled and ALL the old >> lubrication removed. 4"0" steel wool and wd40 will do that. Relube and >> put >> the spring back in. That will get rid of the problem. DON'T soak it in >> kerosene or some other short cut to cleaning. The old stuff has got to >> come >> off the spring. >> >> Ken Danckaert >> >> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: >> >>> OK, gang, it is time to tap into the lists' wisdom. I'm working on an >>> Amberola 30. The hook came unsoldered and the reproducer needed a >>> rebuild. >>> Those two easy repairs (the spring was in the case)completed, I tested >>> the >>> phonograph and found that the speed is a bit erratic. It will sound nice, >>> then slow just a bit then return to speed for a while only to slow again. >>> The carriage moves easily and the horn bobbles and rotates as it should. >>> The governor is lubricated and the pad has been oiled. There is no >>> evidence >>> of crud or damage to the governor disk. There were a few teeth on the >>> large >>> hear that had a bit of damage but a bit of judicious filing has cured the >>> noise the damage created, and besides, the speed variation is more random >>> than the cycle of the gear noise. I'm thinking that the mainspring may >>> need >>> to be removed, cleaned and re-lubricated but I thought I might see if >>> there >>> is anything else I missed before tearing it apart. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ron L >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From bandso at charter.net Tue Sep 2 05:47:56 2008 From: bandso at charter.net (Shawn and Beth) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 8:47:56 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080902084756.IIU8W.825075.root@mp17> I was hoping someone on the list could help me with a couple of detailed questions on a Hexaphone. Here we go. Besides the name plate, what is/are the significant difference(s) between the 102 and 103 models of Hexaphones? Is there any documentation out there on serial number series of the different models? Is there any good documentation/ information available on Hexaphones? I'd really appreciate any help that the list can give to me off, or on list. Thank you very much Shawn O'Rourke From lherault at bu.edu Tue Sep 2 06:19:55 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:19:55 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003a01c90cfe$975b9d80$2dd4299b@ad.bu.edu> The test you suggest is a good one. I'll do it for sure. However, I am pretty sure that the spring could give sufficient energy for correct speed at one point (coils slide by one another) and then, as it uncoils, encounter an area of sticky old grease, impeding proper release of energy, especially since we are dealing with century old springs and equally old lubricant. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Robert Wright Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:43 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed Last thought -- listen to a cylinder you know well and wait for the speed to drop. Back the reproducer up about 20 or 30 grooves and see if it does it in the same spot, within about 3 or 4 grooves. If so, it's not the mainspring, or anything other than something the carriage encounters near that physical location along the feedscrew, whether the contact point of half-nut to feedscrew, or the shaft the carriage rides along the length of the playback. Forgive me for speaking out of school, but if it were the mainspring, it just sems like there'd be no point at which you had reliable speed. These guys are the experts, but at least give the 30 this 'repeatable error' test first. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Danckaert" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed > Your problem is in the mainspring. It needs to be pulled and ALL the old > lubrication removed. 4"0" steel wool and wd40 will do that. Relube and > put > the spring back in. That will get rid of the problem. DON'T soak it in > kerosene or some other short cut to cleaning. The old stuff has got to > come > off the spring. > > Ken Danckaert > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: > >> OK, gang, it is time to tap into the lists' wisdom. I'm working on an >> Amberola 30. The hook came unsoldered and the reproducer needed a >> rebuild. >> Those two easy repairs (the spring was in the case)completed, I tested >> the >> phonograph and found that the speed is a bit erratic. It will sound nice, >> then slow just a bit then return to speed for a while only to slow again. >> The carriage moves easily and the horn bobbles and rotates as it should. >> The governor is lubricated and the pad has been oiled. There is no >> evidence >> of crud or damage to the governor disk. There were a few teeth on the >> large >> hear that had a bit of damage but a bit of judicious filing has cured the >> noise the damage created, and besides, the speed variation is more random >> than the cycle of the gear noise. I'm thinking that the mainspring may >> need >> to be removed, cleaned and re-lubricated but I thought I might see if >> there >> is anything else I missed before tearing it apart. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ron L >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From wilenzick at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 2 06:52:56 2008 From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (wilenzick at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:52:56 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone Question References: <20080902084756.IIU8W.825075.root@mp17> Message-ID: <001701c90d03$3469ed30$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> Shawn: According to Bowers' book, Enclopedia of Automatic Musical Instruments, the serial numbers are: Style 101: 101001 to 1011423 1909-1912 Style 102: 102001 to 1022475 1911-1915 Style 103: 103001 to 1031642 1914-1921 Style 104: 104001 to 1041677 1915-1921 Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn and Beth" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:47 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone Question >I was hoping someone on the list could help me with a couple of detailed >questions on a Hexaphone. Here we go. Besides the name plate, what is/are >the significant difference(s) between the 102 and 103 models of Hexaphones? >Is there any documentation out there on serial number series of the >different models? Is there any good documentation/ information available on >Hexaphones? I'd really appreciate any help that the list can give to me >off, or on list. > > Thank you very much > > Shawn O'Rourke > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From wilenzick at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 2 06:54:38 2008 From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (wilenzick at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:54:38 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone Question References: <20080902084756.IIU8W.825075.root@mp17> Message-ID: <002101c90d03$71474950$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> Sorry, that's "Encyclopedia" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn and Beth" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:47 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone Question >I was hoping someone on the list could help me with a couple of detailed >questions on a Hexaphone. Here we go. Besides the name plate, what is/are >the significant difference(s) between the 102 and 103 models of Hexaphones? >Is there any documentation out there on serial number series of the >different models? Is there any good documentation/ information available on >Hexaphones? I'd really appreciate any help that the list can give to me >off, or on list. > > Thank you very much > > Shawn O'Rourke > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From andy at popyrus.com Tue Sep 2 09:25:51 2008 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:25:51 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed In-Reply-To: <003a01c90cfe$975b9d80$2dd4299b@ad.bu.edu> References: <003a01c90cfe$975b9d80$2dd4299b@ad.bu.edu> Message-ID: <95C1EAC2-EED8-438F-A95F-2A8175297BDD@popyrus.com> What a great bunch of replies! Good suggestions, all. Even though many of us have been working on these wonderful time- machines for years, and have accrued mechanical intuition as well as experience, it never hurts to be reminded of all the possibilities. Even though I didn't post the original inquiry, I recognize the value of all the feedback and will print out a line-item summary of the broad range of possible issues, to post in my workshop as a reminder and checklist. In focusing on the minutiae, we sometimes overlook the obvious. Best to all, Andy Baron Santa Fe On Sep 2, 2008, at 7:19 AM, Ron L wrote: > The test you suggest is a good one. I'll do it for sure. However, > I am > pretty sure that the spring could give sufficient energy for correct > speed > at one point (coils slide by one another) and then, as it uncoils, > encounter > an area of sticky old grease, impeding proper release of energy, > especially > since we are dealing with century old springs and equally old > lubricant. > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org > ] On > Behalf Of Robert Wright > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:43 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed > > Last thought -- listen to a cylinder you know well and wait for the > speed to > > drop. Back the reproducer up about 20 or 30 grooves and see if it > does it > in the same spot, within about 3 or 4 grooves. If so, it's not the > mainspring, or anything other than something the carriage encounters > near > that physical location along the feedscrew, whether the contact > point of > half-nut to feedscrew, or the shaft the carriage rides along the > length of > the playback. Forgive me for speaking out of school, but if it were > the > mainspring, it just sems like there'd be no point at which you had > reliable > speed. These guys are the experts, but at least give the 30 this > 'repeatable error' test first. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Danckaert" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed > > >> Your problem is in the mainspring. It needs to be pulled and ALL >> the old >> lubrication removed. 4"0" steel wool and wd40 will do that. >> Relube and >> put >> the spring back in. That will get rid of the problem. DON'T soak >> it in >> kerosene or some other short cut to cleaning. The old stuff has >> got to >> come >> off the spring. >> >> Ken Danckaert >> >> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Ron L'Herault >> wrote: >> >>> OK, gang, it is time to tap into the lists' wisdom. I'm working >>> on an >>> Amberola 30. The hook came unsoldered and the reproducer needed a >>> rebuild. >>> Those two easy repairs (the spring was in the case)completed, I >>> tested >>> the >>> phonograph and found that the speed is a bit erratic. It will >>> sound nice, >>> then slow just a bit then return to speed for a while only to slow >>> again. >>> The carriage moves easily and the horn bobbles and rotates as it >>> should. >>> The governor is lubricated and the pad has been oiled. There is no >>> evidence >>> of crud or damage to the governor disk. There were a few teeth on >>> the >>> large >>> hear that had a bit of damage but a bit of judicious filing has >>> cured the >>> noise the damage created, and besides, the speed variation is more >>> random >>> than the cycle of the gear noise. I'm thinking that the >>> mainspring may >>> need >>> to be removed, cleaned and re-lubricated but I thought I might see >>> if >>> there >>> is anything else I missed before tearing it apart. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ron L >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From andy at popyrus.com Tue Sep 2 09:32:37 2008 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:32:37 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph with Columbia horn? Message-ID: <5071B89F-B37B-409B-BF22-ED3D67A7589F@popyrus.com> Can the wood portion of the cygnet horn that's with this Triumph be original? I wasn't aware that Music Master, before or after Edison began offering them, used this type of wood pattern which appears to be a ca. 1908 Columbia #2 wood horn bell. Any thoughts? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170257543430&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 Andy Baron Santa Fe From andersun at tampabay.rr.com Tue Sep 2 10:04:02 2008 From: andersun at tampabay.rr.com (Steve Andersen) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:04:02 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph with Columbia horn? In-Reply-To: <5071B89F-B37B-409B-BF22-ED3D67A7589F@popyrus.com> References: <5071B89F-B37B-409B-BF22-ED3D67A7589F@popyrus.com> Message-ID: <11A4BC2A-6923-4523-BC32-5089F85176D1@tampabay.rr.com> My opinion is that the wood section is not original or aftermarket for any Edison machine. The whole wood section appears too long and does not hang on the cygnet crane properly. It does look like a wood horn for a rear mount machine that was cut to fit in the housing of an Edison cygnet elbow. On Sep 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: > Can the wood portion of the cygnet horn that's with this Triumph be > original? I wasn't aware that Music Master, before or after Edison > began offering them, used this type of wood pattern which appears to > be a ca. 1908 Columbia #2 wood horn bell. Any thoughts? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170257543430&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 > > Andy Baron > Santa Fe > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Tue Sep 2 10:35:48 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:35:48 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed In-Reply-To: <95C1EAC2-EED8-438F-A95F-2A8175297BDD@popyrus.com> References: <003a01c90cfe$975b9d80$2dd4299b@ad.bu.edu> <95C1EAC2-EED8-438F-A95F-2A8175297BDD@popyrus.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c90d22$56a91320$2dd4299b@ad.bu.edu> What he said. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Baron Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:26 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed What a great bunch of replies! Good suggestions, all. Even though many of us have been working on these wonderful time- machines for years, and have accrued mechanical intuition as well as experience, it never hurts to be reminded of all the possibilities. Even though I didn't post the original inquiry, I recognize the value of all the feedback and will print out a line-item summary of the broad range of possible issues, to post in my workshop as a reminder and checklist. In focusing on the minutiae, we sometimes overlook the obvious. Best to all, Andy Baron Santa Fe On Sep 2, 2008, at 7:19 AM, Ron L wrote: > The test you suggest is a good one. I'll do it for sure. However, > I am > pretty sure that the spring could give sufficient energy for correct > speed > at one point (coils slide by one another) and then, as it uncoils, > encounter > an area of sticky old grease, impeding proper release of energy, > especially > since we are dealing with century old springs and equally old > lubricant. > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org > ] On > Behalf Of Robert Wright > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:43 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed > > Last thought -- listen to a cylinder you know well and wait for the > speed to > > drop. Back the reproducer up about 20 or 30 grooves and see if it > does it > in the same spot, within about 3 or 4 grooves. If so, it's not the > mainspring, or anything other than something the carriage encounters > near > that physical location along the feedscrew, whether the contact > point of > half-nut to feedscrew, or the shaft the carriage rides along the > length of > the playback. Forgive me for speaking out of school, but if it were > the > mainspring, it just sems like there'd be no point at which you had > reliable > speed. These guys are the experts, but at least give the 30 this > 'repeatable error' test first. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Danckaert" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 30 erratic speed > > >> Your problem is in the mainspring. It needs to be pulled and ALL >> the old >> lubrication removed. 4"0" steel wool and wd40 will do that. >> Relube and >> put >> the spring back in. That will get rid of the problem. DON'T soak >> it in >> kerosene or some other short cut to cleaning. The old stuff has >> got to >> come >> off the spring. >> >> Ken Danckaert >> >> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Ron L'Herault >> wrote: >> >>> OK, gang, it is time to tap into the lists' wisdom. I'm working >>> on an >>> Amberola 30. The hook came unsoldered and the reproducer needed a >>> rebuild. >>> Those two easy repairs (the spring was in the case)completed, I >>> tested >>> the >>> phonograph and found that the speed is a bit erratic. It will >>> sound nice, >>> then slow just a bit then return to speed for a while only to slow >>> again. >>> The carriage moves easily and the horn bobbles and rotates as it >>> should. >>> The governor is lubricated and the pad has been oiled. There is no >>> evidence >>> of crud or damage to the governor disk. There were a few teeth on >>> the >>> large >>> hear that had a bit of damage but a bit of judicious filing has >>> cured the >>> noise the damage created, and besides, the speed variation is more >>> random >>> than the cycle of the gear noise. I'm thinking that the >>> mainspring may >>> need >>> to be removed, cleaned and re-lubricated but I thought I might see >>> if >>> there >>> is anything else I missed before tearing it apart. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ron L >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Tue Sep 2 10:53:02 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:53:02 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph with Columbia horn? In-Reply-To: <11A4BC2A-6923-4523-BC32-5089F85176D1@tampabay.rr.com> References: <5071B89F-B37B-409B-BF22-ED3D67A7589F@popyrus.com> <11A4BC2A-6923-4523-BC32-5089F85176D1@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <00b001c90d24$beaccff0$2dd4299b@ad.bu.edu> Just last week, I think it was, I saw a rear section of wood horn with metal collar on eeebay. It looked like a fresh cut. Now I know why. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steve Andersen Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:04 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Triumph with Columbia horn? My opinion is that the wood section is not original or aftermarket for any Edison machine. The whole wood section appears too long and does not hang on the cygnet crane properly. It does look like a wood horn for a rear mount machine that was cut to fit in the housing of an Edison cygnet elbow. On Sep 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: > Can the wood portion of the cygnet horn that's with this Triumph be > original? I wasn't aware that Music Master, before or after Edison > began offering them, used this type of wood pattern which appears to > be a ca. 1908 Columbia #2 wood horn bell. Any thoughts? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170257543430&ssPageName=A DME:B:SS:US:1123 > > Andy Baron > Santa Fe > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ClockworkHome at aol.com Tue Sep 2 13:42:06 2008 From: ClockworkHome at aol.com (ClockworkHome at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:42:06 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph with Columbia horn? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/2/2008 10:08:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, andy at popyrus.com writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170257543430&ssPageName=ADM E:B:SS:US:1123 THAT very same machine was in an oak cabinet with a reproduction 14" witch's hat horn just over a month ago around the beginning of July. The reproducer is potmetal so it too is not original to the machine. When the machine did not sell for the reserve in July it came back in "improved" form. The seller lists it as found original but has the Buy It Now price of $2,695 which is half what a mahogany machine would bring. Al **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Tue Sep 2 14:33:50 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:33:50 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone Question Message-ID: hi all if anyone needs a bowers book i think marty roenig at mechantiques has some copies or did at one time _Mechanical Music - antique music boxes for sale_ (http://www.mechantiques.com/) In a message dated 9/2/2008 10:56:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wilenzick at bellsouth.net writes: Shawn: According to Bowers' book, Enclopedia of Automatic Musical Instruments, the serial numbers are: Style 101: 101001 to 1011423 1909-1912 Style 102: 102001 to 1022475 1911-1915 Style 103: 103001 to 1031642 1914-1921 Style 104: 104001 to 1041677 1915-1921 Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn and Beth" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:47 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone Question >I was hoping someone on the list could help me with a couple of detailed >questions on a Hexaphone. Here we go. Besides the name plate, what is/are >the significant difference(s) between the 102 and 103 models of Hexaphones? >Is there any documentation out there on serial number series of the >different models? Is there any good documentation/ information available on >Hexaphones? I'd really appreciate any help that the list can give to me >off, or on list. > > Thank you very much > > Shawn O'Rourke > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From rock50scollector at verizon.net Tue Sep 2 15:52:26 2008 From: rock50scollector at verizon.net (william shenette) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:52:26 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] looking for edison part Message-ID: can you please tell me where i might be able to get a good mandrell shaft for my edison d home many thnaks from william shenette Sr massachusetts From lherault at bu.edu Tue Sep 2 18:21:12 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:21:12 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] looking for edison part In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73D45DA73B794F9F93B5C01563BB0021@ronlherault> I usually deal with Either George Vollema of Great Lakes Antique Phonographs or with Antique Phonograph Supply. Both are honest and reputable parts suppliers/repairers who are nice to deal with. George probably has the edge on parts though. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of william shenette Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 6:52 PM To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] looking for edison part can you please tell me where i might be able to get a good mandrell shaft for my edison d home many thnaks from william shenette Sr massachusetts _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From plavzic at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 02:34:37 2008 From: plavzic at gmail.com (Robert Plavzic) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:34:37 +0200 Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph with Columbia horn? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Disappointing when people destroy a good spear-tip horn! Reminds me of a wannabe robber who broke into a home and stole a few things including an older shotgun, which he then proceeded to cut down to a sawn-off-shotgun that he used in a bank robbery that netted him like $2500, his face on CCTV and then jail time. Turned out the shotgun was a custom made English Purdey valued at around $14'000 From c.j at temple.edu Wed Sep 3 10:59:52 2008 From: c.j at temple.edu (Cao Jiang) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Incredible Collection of Antique Music/Recordings from 1888-1919 for download Message-ID: <20080903135952.CMX28067@po-b.temple.edu> Hi everyone, I encountered this incredible collection for download: http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/26257628/1888+popular?tab=summary http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/26363816/1888+popular?tab=summary http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/28257508/1888+popular?tab=summary http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/28198752/1888+popular?tab=summary Please be aware of potential copyright issues with P2P activities, if there is any. From chrisk33 at cox.net Wed Sep 3 11:29:39 2008 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (chrisk33 at cox.net) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:29:39 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Incredible Collection of Antique Music/Recordings from 1888-1919 for download In-Reply-To: <20080903135952.CMX28067@po-b.temple.edu> Message-ID: <20080903142939.4R2EU.104108.imail@eastrmwml35> What ARE the potential (and likely) P2P / copyright issues with this site? I just discovered they also have mp3 files of a very expensive $250+) set of CDs and DVDs published by the Bear Family. Apparently it doesn't cost anything to download. Chris ---- Cao Jiang wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I encountered this incredible collection for download: > http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/26257628/1888+popular?tab=summary > http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/26363816/1888+popular?tab=summary > http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/28257508/1888+popular?tab=summary > http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/28198752/1888+popular?tab=summary > > Please be aware of potential copyright issues with P2P > activities, if there is any. > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com Wed Sep 3 13:03:44 2008 From: valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com (valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO Message-ID: <258092.22610.qm@web34503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm looking for recommendations regarding someone who could expertly repair the reproducer on my Columbia AO. It's the floating type, a no. 5, I believe although it is not marked in any way. Would also be interested in the conversion kit to install the model 8 reproducer, which essentially converts an AO to an AW. Thanks, Bruce - From thatcher at mediaguide.com Wed Sep 3 18:26:38 2008 From: thatcher at mediaguide.com (Thatcher Graham) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:26:38 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] mystery record In-Reply-To: <5071B89F-B37B-409B-BF22-ED3D67A7589F@popyrus.com> References: <5071B89F-B37B-409B-BF22-ED3D67A7589F@popyrus.com> Message-ID: <48BF394E.4050506@mediaguide.com> I bought a box of 45s in Canada, in it was a 7-inch one-sided 78rpm record. image here: http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o13/josefritz/img113.jpg I can easily find references to Victor 2995, recorded July 13, 1904. But this is labeled GRAM-O-PHONE... clearly a different record. Can anyone fill me in on this? -- Thatcher From thatcher at mediaguide.com Wed Sep 3 19:55:44 2008 From: thatcher at mediaguide.com (Thatcher Graham) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:55:44 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] mystery record In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48BF4E30.3060802@mediaguide.com> I'm familiar with the existence of the record label, what I'm not familiar with is the pressing of 7-inch diameter brown one-sided 78s. I've only seen them in the typical 10-inch size. Is this for some specialty phonograph or a toy maybe? BoehlandL at aol.com wrote: > Also: > > > > The Gramophone Company > > Emile Berliner founded "The Gramophone Company" to mass manufacture > his sound disks (records) and the gramophone that played them. To help > promote his gramophone system Berliner did two things, he persuaded > popular artists to record their music using his system. Two famous > artists who signed early on with Berliner's company were Enrico Caruso > and Dame Nellie Melba. The second smart marketing move Berliner made > came in 1908, when he used Francis Barraud's painting of 'His Master's > Voice > ' > as his company's official trademark. > > Emile Berliner sold the licensing rights to his patent for the > gramophone and method of making records to the Victor Talking Machine > Company (RCA) who made the gramophone a successful product in the > United States. Berliner continued doing business in other countries. > He founded the Berliner *Gram-o-phone* Company in Montreal, Canada, > the Deutsche Grammophon in Germany, and the U.K based Gramophone Co., > Ltd. > > > In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:30:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > BoehlandL writes: > > > > In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:11:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > thatcher at mediaguide.com writes: > > bought a box of 45s in Canada, in it was a 7-inch one-sided > 78rpm record. > image here: > http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o13/josefritz/img113.jpg > > I can easily find references to Victor 2995, recorded July 13, > 1904. > But this is labeled GRAM-O-PHONE... clearly a different > record. Can > anyone fill me in on this? > > -- Thatcher > > > Thacher, > > Following from a quick Internet search. > Lyle Boehland > > > > The Berliner Gram-o-phone Company of Canada > > Background & Berliner in the United States > > Berliner in Canada > > > > Background & Berliner in the United States > > When Emile Berliner first established the United States Gramophone > Company in 1893, the recording industry was already eight years > old; it had been a tumultuous beginning for the business, marked > by a race to register patents, industrial espionage, and personal > rivalries. The next six years would bring more conflict, and in > the end would lead to Berliner's decision to give up control of > his patents in the United States to his associate, Eldridge > Johnson, and establish an independent company in Canada. > > Shortly after inventing the phonograph in 1877, Thomas Edison > established the first business devoted to recorded sound, the > Edison Speaking Phonograph Company. It had five stockholders > including Gardiner G. Hubbard, Alexander Graham Bell's > father-in-law. The company bought the tin-foil phonograph patent > for $10 000 and a guarantee of 20% of future profits. After > initial demonstrations of the new invention, like the one at > Rideau Hall, however, the company went dormant and Edison turned > his attention elsewhere. > > In 1886, the Bells and Tainter formed the American Graphophone Co. > to manufacture and sell the graphophone. This prompted Edison to > take up his interest in the phonograph in an attempt to reassert > control over sound recording technology, and to reorganize his > original corporation into the Edison Phonograph Co. in 1887. It > was at this time that Edison adopted modifications of some of the > Bell-Tainter innovations and created the Improved Phonograph which > utilized solid wax cylinders and a sapphire-point stylus. It was > this type of phonograph upon which the oldest surviving recording > 1 > , > a message of Lord Stanley > , > Canada's Governor-General, to the people and president of the > United States, was made. > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/xx004484-v6.jpg > > Source > > > Phonograph parlour at a ferry juncture with the Pennsylvania > Railroad, 1891-92 > > Though there had already been considerable competition between the > two rivals, the Edison Phonograph Company and the American > Graphophone Company both agreed to allow a wealthy businessman, > Jesse Lippincott, to form the North American Phonograph Co. in > 1888; this company would oversee a sales network of local > companies licensed to lease phonographs and graphophones as > dictation machines. Lippincott agreed to invest $200 000 in the > American Graphophone company and to purchase 5000 machines a year. > He bought control of Edison's patents for $500 000, and Edison set > up Edison Phonograph Works to manufacture and develop the > phonograph. Lippincott's enterprise soon failed, however, and in > 1890, the North American Phonograph Company went bankrupt. Edison, > as its major creditor, took over operation of the business. When > it became apparent that he could not assert control over the local > licensees, he reorganized the company and founded the National > Phonograph Co. in 1896. > > Meanwhile, one of those regional companies, founded independently > of the North American Phonograph Co. and thus immune from Edison's > take-over, had become a leader in recording cylinders for > coin-operated phonographs. This was the Columbia Phonograph Co., > and when the North American Phonograph Co. failed, Columbia became > the sole licensed seller of graphophones in North America. > > While Edison was struggling with the bankrupt North American > Phonograph Co. and Columbia was establishing itself as a major > player, Berliner quietly stepped onto the field and complicated > the quarrel. In 1893, he set up the United States Gramophone Co. > to attract investors for the gramophone. He hired brothers Fred > and Will Gaisberg, former employees of Columbia who had prior > recording experience, and together they found a Philadelphia-based > syndicate which agreed to contribute $25 000 to fund Berliner's > enterprise. The Berliner Gram-o-phone Co. was established in > Philadelphia to manufacture sound recording equipment and discs > under licence from the United States Gramophone Co., which > retained the gramophone patents. Berliner and the Gaisbergs then > engaged the services of Frank Seaman to undertake advertising, > distribution, and sales of the gramophone. To this end, Seaman > formed a third company, the National Gramophone Co. Ultimately, > the Berliner Gram-o-phone Company would be involved in a legal > battle with Seaman and the Universal Talking Machine Co. (a > company affiliated with the National Gramophone Co.), which would > drive Emile Berliner out of the gramophone business in the United > States. > > > Berliner in Canada > > By 1898, the gramophone business was booming and officials at > Columbia were becoming worried. Unwilling, or perhaps unable, to > compete in the marketplace without an extra advantage, Columbia > set its sights on Berliner's patents. A complex legal battle > ensued, involving not only the American Graphophone Co./Columbia > Phonograph Co. party and the Berliner Gram-o-phone Co., but also > Edison Phonograph Works, F.M. Prescott (an exporter), and Frank > Seaman. When hostilities were brought to a close, a court > injunction remained preventing Berliner from using the word > "gramophone" on any of his products in the United States. This > prompted him to establish E. Berliner, Montreal in 1899 which > would hold exclusive rights to gramophones and discs in Canada > (based on a Canadian patent of 1897), and to sell the rights to > his American patents to his associate Eldridge Johnson, who had > first been contracted by Berliner and Gaisberg to develop an > effective motor for the gramophone. In 1901, Johnson set up the > Victor Talking Machine Co., taking over the Berliner interests in > the United States. For the time being, relations between Victor > and the international Berliner affiliates, including E. Berliner > of Canada, remained cordial. > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004269-v6.jpg > > Source > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004263-v6.jpg > > Source > > > The Berliner Gram-o-phone Company store at 2315-2316, > Sainte-Catherine St., Montr?al The main display room of the > Berliner Gram-o-phone Company store, 1913 > > According to Canadian law at the time, a patent was protected only > if the manufacturer established production in Canada, and Berliner > was happy to comply. He imported equipment from the American > affiliate, set up shop in space rented from the Bell Telephone > Co., and opened a retail outlet at 2315-2316 Sainte-Catherine > Street in Montreal. The company began an intense promotion of the > gramophone, highlighting the volume, endurance, and space-saving > size of discs as opposed to cylinders. The advertisements also > served to warn Berliner's competitors against infringement of the > company's patents, and to caution consumers against purchasing > imitation equipment and recordings. It was not long before E. > Berliner, with Emmanuel Blout as general manager, was prospering. > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004261-v6.jpg > > Source > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004271-v6.jpg > > Source > > > An advertisement for E. Berliner, Montreal, showing the newly > trademarked HMV logo, 1900 An advertisement for E. Berliner, > Montr?al, 1901 > > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004274-v6.jpg > > Source > > > An advertisement for E. Berliner, Montr?al, 1903 > > It was decided to incorporate the business and, in 1904, the > Berliner Gram-o-phone Company of Canada was given a charter with > Emmanuel Blout, Joseph Sanders, Charles Gartshore, Robert Shaw and > Herbert Samuel Berliner, Emile's son, as stockholders. Blout, > Sanders and Herbert Berliner were named as directors of the new > corporation. A recording studio was set up, and in 1906 a new > factory was built at the corner of St. Antoine and Lenoir streets, > one of the first reinforced concrete buildings in Montreal. In > 1909, the company underwent a reorganization and was renamed the > Berliner Gram-o-phone Company, with Emile Berliner assuming the > presidency of the business, Herbert appointed vice-president and > general manager, and Emile's younger son, Edgar, named > secretary-treasurer. Blout returned to the United States. > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004283-v6.jpg > > Source > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004265-v6.jpg > > Source > > > Herbert and Emile Berliner, circa 1915 An advertisement > showing the Berliner Gram-o-phone Company factory and head office > in Montreal, 1918 > > Though both Columbia and Edison had entered the Canadian market by > this time, and the industry would soon open up to independent > companies as the original patents ran out, Berliner was clearly > the front runner in the Canadian recording business. Apart from > questions of convenience or quality, the Berliner company's status > might be attributed to its almost ruthless conduct towards its > dealers. For many years Berliner required its retailers to sell > only Berliner products and to sell them at company-set prices. > Though there was considerable resistance to this policy on the > part of the record dealers, and in an editorial in the /Canadian > Music Trades Journal/ (November, 1914), for which the company > filed a lawsuit and won, Berliner refused to relax its policy. > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004267-v6.jpg > > Source > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004266-v6.jpg > > Source > > > The editorial, denouncing the policies of the Berliner > Gram-o-phone Company, that was published in the /Canadian Music > Trades Journal/, 1914. Berliner sued for libel and won. The > company waived damages and the Journal made an unsolicited > apology Apology from John A. Fullerton, the editor of the > /Canadian Music Trades Journal/ to the Berliner Gram-o-phone > Company; published in the journal in November 1915 > > Concurrent with a surge of record sales during and just after > World War I, Herbert Berliner decided to reduce the number of > recordings Berliner imported from the States, in order to decrease > its expenditure on royalties to Victor. In 1916, Herbert, through > a subsidiary company, His Master's Voice, introduced the 216000 > series, devoted to Canadian recordings. Later, an exclusively > French-Canadian series was initiated in the HMV 263000 series. By > 1920, the majority of the Berliner Gram-o-phone Company's records > was recorded and pressed in Canada. Victor was vexed by this > situation and asserted what must have been considerable pressure > to displace Herbert Berliner from his position of control. How it > was achieved will remain a mystery but, in 1921, Herbert Berliner > resigned from the Berliner Gram-o-phone Company and departed for > the Compo Company in Lachine, Quebec, which he had established > independently in 1918 to manufacture records for other recording > labels. His younger brother Edgar undertook the presidency and > management of Berliner; the HMV series was phased out and replaced > with Victor recordings. In 1924, Victor acquired controlling > interest in the Berliner Gram-o-phone Company, changing its name > to the Victor Talking Machine Company of Canada. Edgar remained > president but the other directors were also active directors of > the American company. > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc006573-v6.jpg > > Source > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004286-v6.jpg > > Source > > > Advertisment for The Compo Company's new record pressing plant in > Lachine, Quebec, /Canadian Music Trades Journal/, October 1919 > Edgar Berliner, circa 1921 > > Even the formidable Victor Co. could not stand against the > increasing predominance of radio in the sound recording business > and, in 1929, RCA (Radio Corporation of America) merged with > Victor, including the Victor Talking Machine of Canada, to create > RCA Victor. Emile Berliner died the same year, at the age of 78, > and the following year Edgar Berliner resigned from the presidency > of Victor of Canada, severing the family's last tie to the > company, and effectively ending the first era of recorded sound in > Canada. > > 1 > > The whereabouts of the original cylinder, made on September 11, > 1888, are unknown, but a re-recording was made in 1935. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It's only a deal if it's where /you/ want to go. Find your travel > deal *here* > . > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It's only a deal if it's where /you/ want to go. Find your travel deal > *here* > . -- Thatcher Graham Senior Field Engineer ph. 610-578-0800 x214 cell: 484-354-6918 fx. 610-578-0804 Mediaguide 640 Freedom Business Ctr. STE 305 King of Prussia, PA 19406 From esroberto at hotmail.com Wed Sep 3 20:32:46 2008 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:32:46 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] mystery record References: <48BF4E30.3060802@mediaguide.com> Message-ID: I have a few of these brown Canadians, mostly 7" but a couple 10". I assumed they weren't all that uncommon up there. I don't know much about the Canadian discography of Berliner's company. One curiosity, however -- all the labels on mine are chocolate brown. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thatcher Graham" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] mystery record I'm familiar with the existence of the record label, what I'm not familiar with is the pressing of 7-inch diameter brown one-sided 78s. I've only seen them in the typical 10-inch size. Is this for some specialty phonograph or a toy maybe? BoehlandL at aol.com wrote: > Also: > > > > The Gramophone Company > > Emile Berliner founded "The Gramophone Company" to mass manufacture > his sound disks (records) and the gramophone that played them. To help > promote his gramophone system Berliner did two things, he persuaded > popular artists to record their music using his system. Two famous > artists who signed early on with Berliner's company were Enrico Caruso > and Dame Nellie Melba. The second smart marketing move Berliner made > came in 1908, when he used Francis Barraud's painting of 'His Master's > Voice > ' > as his company's official trademark. > > Emile Berliner sold the licensing rights to his patent for the > gramophone and method of making records to the Victor Talking Machine > Company (RCA) who made the gramophone a successful product in the > United States. Berliner continued doing business in other countries. > He founded the Berliner *Gram-o-phone* Company in Montreal, Canada, > the Deutsche Grammophon in Germany, and the U.K based Gramophone Co., > Ltd. > > > In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:30:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > BoehlandL writes: > > > > In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:11:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > thatcher at mediaguide.com writes: > > bought a box of 45s in Canada, in it was a 7-inch one-sided > 78rpm record. > image here: > http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o13/josefritz/img113.jpg > > I can easily find references to Victor 2995, recorded July 13, > 1904. > But this is labeled GRAM-O-PHONE... clearly a different > record. Can > anyone fill me in on this? > > -- Thatcher > > > Thacher, > > Following from a quick Internet search. > Lyle Boehland > > > > The Berliner Gram-o-phone Company of Canada > > Background & Berliner in the United States > > Berliner in Canada > > > > Background & Berliner in the United States > > When Emile Berliner first established the United States Gramophone > Company in 1893, the recording industry was already eight years > old; it had been a tumultuous beginning for the business, marked > by a race to register patents, industrial espionage, and personal > rivalries. The next six years would bring more conflict, and in > the end would lead to Berliner's decision to give up control of > his patents in the United States to his associate, Eldridge > Johnson, and establish an independent company in Canada. > > Shortly after inventing the phonograph in 1877, Thomas Edison > established the first business devoted to recorded sound, the > Edison Speaking Phonograph Company. It had five stockholders > including Gardiner G. Hubbard, Alexander Graham Bell's > father-in-law. The company bought the tin-foil phonograph patent > for $10 000 and a guarantee of 20% of future profits. After > initial demonstrations of the new invention, like the one at > Rideau Hall, however, the company went dormant and Edison turned > his attention elsewhere. > > In 1886, the Bells and Tainter formed the American Graphophone Co. > to manufacture and sell the graphophone. This prompted Edison to > take up his interest in the phonograph in an attempt to reassert > control over sound recording technology, and to reorganize his > original corporation into the Edison Phonograph Co. in 1887. It > was at this time that Edison adopted modifications of some of the > Bell-Tainter innovations and created the Improved Phonograph which > utilized solid wax cylinders and a sapphire-point stylus. It was > this type of phonograph upon which the oldest surviving recording > 1 > , > a message of Lord Stanley > , > Canada's Governor-General, to the people and president of the > United States, was made. > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/xx004484-v6.jpg > > Source > > > > Phonograph parlour at a ferry juncture with the Pennsylvania > Railroad, 1891-92 > > Though there had already been considerable competition between the > two rivals, the Edison Phonograph Company and the American > Graphophone Company both agreed to allow a wealthy businessman, > Jesse Lippincott, to form the North American Phonograph Co. in > 1888; this company would oversee a sales network of local > companies licensed to lease phonographs and graphophones as > dictation machines. Lippincott agreed to invest $200 000 in the > American Graphophone company and to purchase 5000 machines a year. > He bought control of Edison's patents for $500 000, and Edison set > up Edison Phonograph Works to manufacture and develop the > phonograph. Lippincott's enterprise soon failed, however, and in > 1890, the North American Phonograph Company went bankrupt. Edison, > as its major creditor, took over operation of the business. When > it became apparent that he could not assert control over the local > licensees, he reorganized the company and founded the National > Phonograph Co. in 1896. > > Meanwhile, one of those regional companies, founded independently > of the North American Phonograph Co. and thus immune from Edison's > take-over, had become a leader in recording cylinders for > coin-operated phonographs. This was the Columbia Phonograph Co., > and when the North American Phonograph Co. failed, Columbia became > the sole licensed seller of graphophones in North America. > > While Edison was struggling with the bankrupt North American > Phonograph Co. and Columbia was establishing itself as a major > player, Berliner quietly stepped onto the field and complicated > the quarrel. In 1893, he set up the United States Gramophone Co. > to attract investors for the gramophone. He hired brothers Fred > and Will Gaisberg, former employees of Columbia who had prior > recording experience, and together they found a Philadelphia-based > syndicate which agreed to contribute $25 000 to fund Berliner's > enterprise. The Berliner Gram-o-phone Co. was established in > Philadelphia to manufacture sound recording equipment and discs > under licence from the United States Gramophone Co., which > retained the gramophone patents. Berliner and the Gaisbergs then > engaged the services of Frank Seaman to undertake advertising, > distribution, and sales of the gramophone. To this end, Seaman > formed a third company, the National Gramophone Co. Ultimately, > the Berliner Gram-o-phone Company would be involved in a legal > battle with Seaman and the Universal Talking Machine Co. (a > company affiliated with the National Gramophone Co.), which would > drive Emile Berliner out of the gramophone business in the United > States. > > > Berliner in Canada > > By 1898, the gramophone business was booming and officials at > Columbia were becoming worried. Unwilling, or perhaps unable, to > compete in the marketplace without an extra advantage, Columbia > set its sights on Berliner's patents. A complex legal battle > ensued, involving not only the American Graphophone Co./Columbia > Phonograph Co. party and the Berliner Gram-o-phone Co., but also > Edison Phonograph Works, F.M. Prescott (an exporter), and Frank > Seaman. When hostilities were brought to a close, a court > injunction remained preventing Berliner from using the word > "gramophone" on any of his products in the United States. This > prompted him to establish E. Berliner, Montreal in 1899 which > would hold exclusive rights to gramophones and discs in Canada > (based on a Canadian patent of 1897), and to sell the rights to > his American patents to his associate Eldridge Johnson, who had > first been contracted by Berliner and Gaisberg to develop an > effective motor for the gramophone. In 1901, Johnson set up the > Victor Talking Machine Co., taking over the Berliner interests in > the United States. For the time being, relations between Victor > and the international Berliner affiliates, including E. Berliner > of Canada, remained cordial. > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004269-v6.jpg > > Source > > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004263-v6.jpg > > Source > > > > The Berliner Gram-o-phone Company store at 2315-2316, > Sainte-Catherine St., Montr?al The main display room of the > Berliner Gram-o-phone Company store, 1913 > > According to Canadian law at the time, a patent was protected only > if the manufacturer established production in Canada, and Berliner > was happy to comply. He imported equipment from the American > affiliate, set up shop in space rented from the Bell Telephone > Co., and opened a retail outlet at 2315-2316 Sainte-Catherine > Street in Montreal. The company began an intense promotion of the > gramophone, highlighting the volume, endurance, and space-saving > size of discs as opposed to cylinders. The advertisements also > served to warn Berliner's competitors against infringement of the > company's patents, and to caution consumers against purchasing > imitation equipment and recordings. It was not long before E. > Berliner, with Emmanuel Blout as general manager, was prospering. > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004261-v6.jpg > > Source > > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004271-v6.jpg > > Source > > > > An advertisement for E. Berliner, Montreal, showing the newly > trademarked HMV logo, 1900 An advertisement for E. Berliner, > Montr?al, 1901 > > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004274-v6.jpg > > Source > > > > An advertisement for E. Berliner, Montr?al, 1903 > > It was decided to incorporate the business and, in 1904, the > Berliner Gram-o-phone Company of Canada was given a charter with > Emmanuel Blout, Joseph Sanders, Charles Gartshore, Robert Shaw and > Herbert Samuel Berliner, Emile's son, as stockholders. Blout, > Sanders and Herbert Berliner were named as directors of the new > corporation. A recording studio was set up, and in 1906 a new > factory was built at the corner of St. Antoine and Lenoir streets, > one of the first reinforced concrete buildings in Montreal. In > 1909, the company underwent a reorganization and was renamed the > Berliner Gram-o-phone Company, with Emile Berliner assuming the > presidency of the business, Herbert appointed vice-president and > general manager, and Emile's younger son, Edgar, named > secretary-treasurer. Blout returned to the United States. > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004283-v6.jpg > > Source > > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004265-v6.jpg > > Source > > > > Herbert and Emile Berliner, circa 1915 An advertisement > showing the Berliner Gram-o-phone Company factory and head office > in Montreal, 1918 > > Though both Columbia and Edison had entered the Canadian market by > this time, and the industry would soon open up to independent > companies as the original patents ran out, Berliner was clearly > the front runner in the Canadian recording business. Apart from > questions of convenience or quality, the Berliner company's status > might be attributed to its almost ruthless conduct towards its > dealers. For many years Berliner required its retailers to sell > only Berliner products and to sell them at company-set prices. > Though there was considerable resistance to this policy on the > part of the record dealers, and in an editorial in the /Canadian > Music Trades Journal/ (November, 1914), for which the company > filed a lawsuit and won, Berliner refused to relax its policy. > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004267-v6.jpg > > Source > > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004266-v6.jpg > > Source > > > > The editorial, denouncing the policies of the Berliner > Gram-o-phone Company, that was published in the /Canadian Music > Trades Journal/, 1914. Berliner sued for libel and won. The > company waived damages and the Journal made an unsolicited > apology Apology from John A. Fullerton, the editor of the > /Canadian Music Trades Journal/ to the Berliner Gram-o-phone > Company; published in the journal in November 1915 > > Concurrent with a surge of record sales during and just after > World War I, Herbert Berliner decided to reduce the number of > recordings Berliner imported from the States, in order to decrease > its expenditure on royalties to Victor. In 1916, Herbert, through > a subsidiary company, His Master's Voice, introduced the 216000 > series, devoted to Canadian recordings. Later, an exclusively > French-Canadian series was initiated in the HMV 263000 series. By > 1920, the majority of the Berliner Gram-o-phone Company's records > was recorded and pressed in Canada. Victor was vexed by this > situation and asserted what must have been considerable pressure > to displace Herbert Berliner from his position of control. How it > was achieved will remain a mystery but, in 1921, Herbert Berliner > resigned from the Berliner Gram-o-phone Company and departed for > the Compo Company in Lachine, Quebec, which he had established > independently in 1918 to manufacture records for other recording > labels. His younger brother Edgar undertook the presidency and > management of Berliner; the HMV series was phased out and replaced > with Victor recordings. In 1924, Victor acquired controlling > interest in the Berliner Gram-o-phone Company, changing its name > to the Victor Talking Machine Company of Canada. Edgar remained > president but the other directors were also active directors of > the American company. > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc006573-v6.jpg > > Source > > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/m2/f1/nlc004286-v6.jpg > > Source > > > > Advertisment for The Compo Company's new record pressing plant in > Lachine, Quebec, /Canadian Music Trades Journal/, October 1919 > Edgar Berliner, circa 1921 > > Even the formidable Victor Co. could not stand against the > increasing predominance of radio in the sound recording business > and, in 1929, RCA (Radio Corporation of America) merged with > Victor, including the Victor Talking Machine of Canada, to create > RCA Victor. Emile Berliner died the same year, at the age of 78, > and the following year Edgar Berliner resigned from the presidency > of Victor of Canada, severing the family's last tie to the > company, and effectively ending the first era of recorded sound in > Canada. > > 1 > > The whereabouts of the original cylinder, made on September 11, > 1888, are unknown, but a re-recording was made in 1935. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It's only a deal if it's where /you/ want to go. Find your travel > deal *here* > . > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It's only a deal if it's where /you/ want to go. Find your travel deal > *here* > . -- Thatcher Graham Senior Field Engineer ph. 610-578-0800 x214 cell: 484-354-6918 fx. 610-578-0804 Mediaguide 640 Freedom Business Ctr. STE 305 King of Prussia, PA 19406 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From matt at misterphonograph.com Wed Sep 3 22:29:14 2008 From: matt at misterphonograph.com (Matthew K. Brown) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:29:14 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO In-Reply-To: <258092.22610.qm@web34503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <258092.22610.qm@web34503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1B0CEB50BC994E8187735F192D3E6F55@MattPC> contact George Vollema at Great Lakes Antique Phonograph - www.victroladoctor.com . Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:03 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO > I'm looking for recommendations regarding someone who could expertly > repair the reproducer on my Columbia AO. It's the floating type, a no. 5, > I believe although it is not marked in any way. Would also be interested > in the conversion kit to install the model 8 reproducer, which essentially > converts an AO to an AW. > > Thanks, > Bruce > > > > > > - > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From loran at oldcrank.com Thu Sep 4 10:05:42 2008 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:05:42 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Incredible Collection of Antique Music/Recordings from 1888-1919 for download In-Reply-To: <20080903142939.4R2EU.104108.imail@eastrmwml35> References: <20080903142939.4R2EU.104108.imail@eastrmwml35> Message-ID: <3652FC70-1F35-4F1D-98F6-4C98826974DD@oldcrank.com> OK, there are a couple of different issues here. I'm by no stretch of the imagination a copyright expert, but I'll give you my opinion. First, let's talk about P2P (Peer to Peer). In the basic sense of the term, you're downloading and possibly sharing files with individual (usually home) computers. The technology has gotten a lot of bad press lately - the entertainment industry sees it as a vehicle to violate copyrights. If you were to, say, download a Brittany Spears album over a P2P network - besides the fact that you have questionable taste in music - you should know that your violating US copyright law. Now, specifically to the material we're really talking about. Works produced pre-1923 are in the public domain. In the case of a compilation, you can't claim copyright over the individual public domain works, but may be able to claim copyright on the compilation itself (the order of the music, cover artwork, etc.). So, by downloading a compilation, you may be violating copyright law. Works produced from 1923 and beyond may - or may not - be in the public domain, depending on the copyright law at the time of the work. Here's a great chart to help figure this stuff out: http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/public_domain/ There are plenty of places to download music & videos from those early days... www.archive.org is a good place to start. Loran On Sep 3, 2008, at 11:29 AM, wrote: > What ARE the potential (and likely) P2P / copyright issues with this > site? I just discovered they also have mp3 files of a very > expensive $250+) set of CDs and DVDs published by the Bear Family. > Apparently it doesn't cost anything to download. > > Chris From jimcip at earthlink.net Thu Sep 4 18:38:09 2008 From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:38:09 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive Message-ID: <380-220089551389847@earthlink.net> I have two Columbia "Twentieth Century" BC Graphophones, one which plays fairly well, but not optimally I understand & the other which hardly plays at all, the problems lying with the reproducers. If anyone can supply the amber wheel & hard rubber shoe to restore these reproducers to original performance please let me know & I will have the local antique phonograph repairer order & install them or if necessary I can send the reproducers away for repair if I am instructed how to remove them from the machine - I'd hate to have to ship the whole machines.. Thanks. Jim Cartwright Immortal Pewrformances jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 31-Aug-2008 4:16:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive > > paul baker used to restore these but he takes a long time to do it > > > In a message dated 8/30/2008 3:49:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > steve_noreen at msn.com writes: > > Hi Greg, > > Does anyone make reproduction parts for these reproducers? > > Steve > > > > : [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > Ron, it's difficult to > explain the BC friction wheel driveshaft system > without pictures or handwaving > :o) The drive train begins with a > gear-driven piece of metal tubing which is > enclosed in the stationary outer > housing which is fastened to the gear > housing casting on the side of the > machine. This first piece of tubing (call > it part 1) rotates but does not > translate axially. Inside this rotating > tubing is the brass coupling sleeve > (part 2) which can rotate and also slide > along its axis. And inside the > brass sleeve is the solid rod (part 3) which > connects with the amber wheel. > This part 3 rotates and also slides axially. > Part 2 has two slots, > diametrically opposed and milled into its outside > surface that run almost > the full length of the part. Part 1 transmits its > torque via two setscrews > which extend inward from Part 1 into the slots milled > in part 2. (Access to > these screws is via a hole drilled in the s > tationary outer tube.) This > allows Part 2 to be rotated by part 1 and also > to slide axially inside part > 1. Part 3 has a "T" shaped fixture at its end > that engages two longitudinal > slots milled INSIDE of part 2. This is what > transmits the torque from part > 2 to part 3 and also allows part 3 to > translate axially. The slots inside > of part 2 do not extend all the way to the > ends of part 2. When part 3 is > pulled along the mandrel with the reproducer, > its T fixture hits the ends > of the slots inside of part 2 and thereby drags > part 2 along with it > axially. All this assemblage has a purposefully > sloppy fit to allow the > amber wheel end of part 3 to wobble around radially so > it can follow the > stylus assembly as it is raised and lowered from the > record surface.> > Clear as mud? Again, it's hard to envision what's happening > without > seeing the structure in detail. But maybe this helps understand it.> > > Greg Bogantz > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Fri Sep 5 07:30:38 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:30:38 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO Message-ID: HI I have an ao and an aow the reproducer and the neck it sits on are totally different on these so be careful in trying to convert one In a message dated 9/3/2008 4:37:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com writes: I'm looking for recommendations regarding someone who could expertly repair the reproducer on my Columbia AO. It's the floating type, a no. 5, I believe although it is not marked in any way. Would also be interested in the conversion kit to install the model 8 reproducer, which essentially converts an AO to an AW. Thanks, Bruce - _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From wilenzick at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 5 08:18:34 2008 From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (wilenzick at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:18:34 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO References: Message-ID: <000801c90f6a$aa346400$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> I have an AO, but not an AW. I have been told that the sound quality of the AW reproducer is inferior to that of the AO, so why would anyone want to convert the machines. Is that true? Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO > HI > I have an ao and an aow > the reproducer and the neck it sits on are totally different on these > so be careful in trying to convert one > > > In a message dated 9/3/2008 4:37:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com writes: > > I'm looking for recommendations regarding someone who could expertly > repair > the reproducer on my Columbia AO. It's the floating type, a no. 5, I > believe > although it is not marked in any way. Would also be interested in the > conversion kit to install the model 8 reproducer, which essentially > converts an > AO to an AW. > > Thanks, > Bruce > > > > > > - > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Sun Sep 7 13:09:53 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:09:53 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO Message-ID: hi ray et al on mine i cant tell you i still need to find an appropriate stylus mine did not come with one In a message dated 9/5/2008 11:19:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wilenzick at bellsouth.net writes: I have an AO, but not an AW. I have been told that the sound quality of the AW reproducer is inferior to that of the AO, so why would anyone want to convert the machines. Is that true? Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO > HI > I have an ao and an aow > the reproducer and the neck it sits on are totally different on these > so be careful in trying to convert one > > > In a message dated 9/3/2008 4:37:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com writes: > > I'm looking for recommendations regarding someone who could expertly > repair > the reproducer on my Columbia AO. It's the floating type, a no. 5, I > believe > although it is not marked in any way. Would also be interested in the > conversion kit to install the model 8 reproducer, which essentially > converts an > AO to an AW. > > Thanks, > Bruce > > > > > > - > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From steve_noreen at msn.com Sun Sep 7 17:39:52 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:39:52 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What type of cylinder stylus did Columbia make beside the ball stylus? Steve > From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:09:53 -0400> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO> > hi ray et al> on mine i cant tell you > i still need to find an appropriate stylus> mine did not come with one> > > > In a message dated 9/5/2008 11:19:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > wilenzick at bellsouth.net writes:> > I have an AO, but not an AW. I have been told that the sound quality of the > > AW reproducer is inferior to that of the AO, so why would anyone want to > convert the machines. Is that true?> > Ray> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:30 AM> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO> > > > HI> > I have an ao and an aow> > the reproducer and the neck it sits on are totally different on these> > so be careful in trying to convert one> >> >> > In a message dated 9/3/2008 4:37:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> > valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com writes:> >> > I'm looking for recommendations regarding someone who could expertly > > repair> > the reproducer on my Columbia AO. It's the floating type, a no. 5, I > > believe> > although it is not marked in any way. Would also be interested in the> > conversion kit to install the model 8 reproducer, which essentially > > converts an> > AO to an AW.> >> > Thanks,> > Bruce> >> >> >> >> >> > -> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> >> >> >> >> > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > > travel> > deal here.> > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > > > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)> _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From wilenzick at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 7 17:41:15 2008 From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (wilenzick at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:41:15 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO References: Message-ID: <000c01c9114b$9a659de0$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> That's too bad, Zono, as the proper stylus may be tough to find. The kit to convert an AO to an AO/AW was made available by Columbia, but I don't recall seeing one for sale. The #8 reproducer is rare and was used only on the AO/AW and the AW (other than the MG which we don't have to talk about as few if any exist). I guess one reason to convert the AO, assuming the kit could be found, would be to have a much rarer machine with an unusual reproducer. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO > hi ray et al > on mine i cant tell you > i still need to find an appropriate stylus > mine did not come with one > > > > In a message dated 9/5/2008 11:19:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > wilenzick at bellsouth.net writes: > > I have an AO, but not an AW. I have been told that the sound quality of > the > > AW reproducer is inferior to that of the AO, so why would anyone want to > convert the machines. Is that true? > > Ray > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO > > >> HI >> I have an ao and an aow >> the reproducer and the neck it sits on are totally different on these >> so be careful in trying to convert one >> >> >> In a message dated 9/3/2008 4:37:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com writes: >> >> I'm looking for recommendations regarding someone who could expertly >> repair >> the reproducer on my Columbia AO. It's the floating type, a no. 5, I >> believe >> although it is not marked in any way. Would also be interested in the >> conversion kit to install the model 8 reproducer, which essentially >> converts an >> AO to an AW. >> >> Thanks, >> Bruce >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> >> >> >> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your >> travel >> deal here. >> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From gbogantz1 at charter.net Sun Sep 7 18:18:58 2008 From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:18:58 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO References: Message-ID: Columbia made a special sapphire stylus for their 2&4 minute reproducers. It was a sapphire rod, rather like the concept of the tungstone wire. The diameter was small enough to fit properly in the 4 minute groove. Like the wire, the rod did not change shape during it's useful life until it wore completely down. The problem, of course, is that it is too small to work properly with 2 minute wax records, and it will gouge them. But Columbia didn't care if you wore out your Edison records on it because Columbia was selling only celluloid records by that time :o) Greg Bogantz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Medved" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO > What type of cylinder stylus did Columbia make beside the ball stylus? > > Steve > > > >> From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:09:53 -0400> To: >> phono-l at oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer >> repair for Columbia AO> > hi ray et al> on mine i cant tell you > i still >> need to find an appropriate stylus> mine did not come with one> > > > In >> a message dated 9/5/2008 11:19:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > >> wilenzick at bellsouth.net writes:> > I have an AO, but not an AW. I have >> been told that the sound quality of the > > AW reproducer is inferior to >> that of the AO, so why would anyone want to > convert the machines. Is >> that true?> > Ray> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: >> > To: > Sent: Friday, >> September 05, 2008 10:30 AM> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 >> reproducer repair for Columbia AO> > > > HI> > I have an ao and an aow> > >> the reproducer and the neck it sits on are totally different on these> > >> so be careful in trying to convert one> >> >> > In a message dated >> 9/3/2008 4:3 > 7:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> > valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com writes:> >> > > I'm looking for recommendations regarding someone who could expertly > > > repair> > the reproducer on my Columbia AO. It's the floating type, a no. > 5, I > > believe> > although it is not marked in any way. Would also be > interested in the> > conversion kit to install the model 8 reproducer, > which essentially > > converts an> > AO to an AW.> >> > Thanks,> > Bruce> > >> >> >> >> >> > -> > _______________________________________________> > > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> >> >> >> >> > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > > > travel> > deal here.> > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)> > > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > > > > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > > > > > ************** > Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the > latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)> > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rvuill at comcast.net Mon Sep 8 02:17:03 2008 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 05:17:03 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Need a Diaphragm for a Columbia Vivatonal Reproducer References: <20080903142939.4R2EU.104108.imail@eastrmwml35> <3652FC70-1F35-4F1D-98F6-4C98826974DD@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: <493ED97702E8437B85F174B4AE759BA8@your4dacd0ea75> I just purchased a nice Columbia Vivatonal portable. It's a model 202 and was made in England. When I played it, it sounded terrible. When I opened the reproducer I found out why. Someone had replaced the diaphragm with a piece of aluminum foil. They didn't even punch a hole for the needle bar screw. Unbelievably, it actually played; feebly but you could hear it. Does anyone know a source for a replacement diaphragm for this machine. The original was 2 1/8" in diameter. Thanks Robert Vuillemeot From john9ten at pacbell.net Mon Sep 8 03:51:52 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 03:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Anyone wanna trade Victor horns? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <454472.84870.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tim well, I did more research and found out that the horn you have is also for a Vic IV. The b/b horn for the three should only be 21 inches long. I think I iwll wait and try to find a shorter horn. This horn is also 24 inches long. Arrgh! maybe I iwll just stick to a 21 inch morning glory, they seem to be easier to find than a b/b horn! Thanks again for your kind offer. John --- On Sun, 8/31/08, Phonophan at aol.com wrote: From: Phonophan at aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Anyone wanna trade Victor horns? To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 5:09 AM Hi, John---- I'll swap you Victor brass bell horn for a Victor flower horn as long as we both agree ---- please contact me directly and send some pictures of it. Cheers, Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com In a message dated 8/31/2008 7:18:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john9ten at pacbell.net writes: Hi all I bought a Victor III that has a Victor IV horn on it, that is to say it should have the 19-1/2 inch morning glory horn and it has the 22" horn. The decal is decent, as is the horn. Does anyone have the appropriate brass belled horn available for trade etc? Or maybe the 19" morning glory? I prefer the brass belled horn though. Thanks for any help! John Robles _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Mon Sep 8 07:26:20 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:26:20 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Horn and Cranks Needed Message-ID: Hi group! Hope all is well and everyone in the gulf area is doing all right with the hurricanes. We here in the Southeast and coastal areas are watching the weather as well. I am hoping that someone here can help me out. I am in need of a nice original brass bell horn for a Vic I. In addition, an original slotted crank for a Vic I. This is there very, very early machine. Also, does anyone have a nice original light oak slotted crank for an early Vic III? Just let me know. Take care and keep the speed limit at 78...rpms that is! Brantley From phono-l at cylinder.de Mon Sep 8 08:50:58 2008 From: phono-l at cylinder.de (Norman Bruderhofer) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:50:58 +0200 Subject: [Phono-L] Need a Diaphragm for a Columbia Vivatonal Reproducer In-Reply-To: <493ED97702E8437B85F174B4AE759BA8@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20080903142939.4R2EU.104108.imail@eastrmwml35> <3652FC70-1F35-4F1D-98F6-4C98826974DD@oldcrank.com> <493ED97702E8437B85F174B4AE759BA8@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <20080908155120.D2E9F20DF8E@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> This should the one you are looking for: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180282111614 He seems to accidentally describing them as HMV instead of Columbia. So, they are actually Viva-Tonal diaphragms. Norman At 11:17 08.09.2008, you wrote: >I just purchased a nice Columbia Vivatonal portable. It's a model 202 and >was made in England. When I played it, it sounded terrible. When I opened >the reproducer I found out why. Someone had replaced the diaphragm with a >piece of aluminum foil. They didn't even punch a hole for the needle bar >screw. Unbelievably, it actually played; feebly but you could hear it. >Does anyone know a source for a replacement diaphragm for this machine. The >original was 2 1/8" in diameter. Thanks >Robert Vuillemeot > >_______________________________________________ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Mon Sep 8 10:21:36 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:21:36 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Need a Diaphragm for a Columbia Vivatonal Reproducer In-Reply-To: <20080908155120.D2E9F20DF8E@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> References: <20080903142939.4R2EU.104108.imail@eastrmwml35><3652FC70-1F35-4F1D-98F6-4C98826974DD@oldcrank.com><493ED97702E8437B85F174B4AE759BA8@your4dacd0ea75> <20080908155120.D2E9F20DF8E@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Message-ID: <007d01c911d7$5a094e90$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> That might work but it is not a Vivatonal diaphragm. It looks like it has more pleats than the Vivatonal and I think I see attachment areas for a Spider. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Norman Bruderhofer Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:51 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need a Diaphragm for a Columbia Vivatonal Reproducer This should the one you are looking for: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180282111614 He seems to accidentally describing them as HMV instead of Columbia. So, they are actually Viva-Tonal diaphragms. Norman At 11:17 08.09.2008, you wrote: >I just purchased a nice Columbia Vivatonal portable. It's a model 202 and >was made in England. When I played it, it sounded terrible. When I opened >the reproducer I found out why. Someone had replaced the diaphragm with a >piece of aluminum foil. They didn't even punch a hole for the needle bar >screw. Unbelievably, it actually played; feebly but you could hear it. >Does anyone know a source for a replacement diaphragm for this machine. The >original was 2 1/8" in diameter. Thanks >Robert Vuillemeot > >_______________________________________________ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From phono-l at cylinder.de Mon Sep 8 12:09:49 2008 From: phono-l at cylinder.de (Norman Bruderhofer) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:09:49 +0200 Subject: [Phono-L] Need a Diaphragm for a Columbia Vivatonal Reproducer In-Reply-To: <007d01c911d7$5a094e90$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> References: <20080903142939.4R2EU.104108.imail@eastrmwml35> <3652FC70-1F35-4F1D-98F6-4C98826974DD@oldcrank.com> <493ED97702E8437B85F174B4AE759BA8@your4dacd0ea75> <20080908155120.D2E9F20DF8E@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> <007d01c911d7$5a094e90$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> Message-ID: <20080908191102.362F720E7DD@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> The pleats could be different. On the other hand I was also told about multiple designs that were implements over a very short time period. Here is a picture comparing an American Columbia diaphragm in a 15A reproducer to the discussed type: http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=8905lx6.jpg There are no attachment areas for any spider on that diaphragm. It is just the inner (thicker) dome which is bent through the outer diaphragm and is sealed on three spots with a drop of wax. At least this one should play way better than any available reproduction. Norman At 19:21 08.09.2008, you wrote: >That might work but it is not a Vivatonal diaphragm. It looks like it has >more pleats than the Vivatonal and I think I see attachment areas for a >Spider. > >Ron L From lherault at bu.edu Mon Sep 8 13:09:57 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:09:57 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Need a Diaphragm for a Columbia Vivatonal Reproducer In-Reply-To: <20080908191102.362F720E7DD@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> References: <20080903142939.4R2EU.104108.imail@eastrmwml35><3652FC70-1F35-4F1D-98F6-4C98826974DD@oldcrank.com><493ED97702E8437B85F174B4AE759BA8@your4dacd0ea75><20080908155120.D2E9F20DF8E@mail.intellitechcomputing.com><007d01c911d7$5a094e90$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> <20080908191102.362F720E7DD@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Message-ID: <00b701c911ee$de657710$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> Neither of these look like the diaphragm on a Vivatonal 601 type machine. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Norman Bruderhofer Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 3:10 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need a Diaphragm for a Columbia Vivatonal Reproducer The pleats could be different. On the other hand I was also told about multiple designs that were implements over a very short time period. Here is a picture comparing an American Columbia diaphragm in a 15A reproducer to the discussed type: http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=8905lx6.jpg There are no attachment areas for any spider on that diaphragm. It is just the inner (thicker) dome which is bent through the outer diaphragm and is sealed on three spots with a drop of wax. At least this one should play way better than any available reproduction. Norman At 19:21 08.09.2008, you wrote: >That might work but it is not a Vivatonal diaphragm. It looks like it has >more pleats than the Vivatonal and I think I see attachment areas for a >Spider. > >Ron L _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rvuill at comcast.net Mon Sep 8 13:12:32 2008 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:12:32 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Need a Diaphragm for a Columbia Vivatonal Reproducer References: <20080903142939.4R2EU.104108.imail@eastrmwml35><3652FC70-1F35-4F1D-98F6-4C98826974DD@oldcrank.com><493ED97702E8437B85F174B4AE759BA8@your4dacd0ea75><20080908155120.D2E9F20DF8E@mail.intellitechcomputing.com><007d01c911d7$5a094e90$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> <20080908191102.362F720E7DD@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Message-ID: <365D9B7334DB4C82BA24B5926484D285@your4dacd0ea75> Hi Norman, Thanks for checking this out. I think you are right and it probably will work very well. I have contacted the seller for clarification as to whether it is an HMV or Columbia diaphragm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Bruderhofer" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need a Diaphragm for a Columbia Vivatonal Reproducer > The pleats could be different. On the other hand I was also told > about multiple designs that were implements over a very short time period. > > Here is a picture comparing an American Columbia diaphragm in a 15A > reproducer to the discussed type: > > http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=8905lx6.jpg > > There are no attachment areas for any spider on that diaphragm. It is > just the inner (thicker) dome which is bent through the outer > diaphragm and is sealed on three spots with a drop of wax. At least > this one should play way better than any available reproduction. > > Norman > > > At 19:21 08.09.2008, you wrote: >>That might work but it is not a Vivatonal diaphragm. It looks like it has >>more pleats than the Vivatonal and I think I see attachment areas for a >>Spider. >> >>Ron L > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1659 - Release Date: 9/8/2008 7:01 AM From ElCaminoNYC at aol.com Mon Sep 8 17:09:10 2008 From: ElCaminoNYC at aol.com (ElCaminoNYC at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:09:10 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Wanted........... Message-ID: Hello all, Looking to ad a Columbia BGT to the collection----if you have one you are willing to part with, please contact me off line at _elcaminonyc at aol.com_ (mailto:elcaminonyc at aol.com) Additionally, still looking for a nice original mahogany speartip-----------if you have one that is refinished with no repairs please let me know--- ***WILLING TO PAY A PREMIUM FOR THE RIGHT MACHINE AND/OR HORN***** Thank you Pete **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From klinger at modex.com Mon Sep 8 18:04:31 2008 From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:04:31 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Conference 2009: Washington, DC Message-ID: <000001c91218$057f1760$0201a8c0@billqbszr49l7m> The following message has been posted by the Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC). --- 2009 ARSC CONFERENCE: WASHINGTON, DC --- The 43rd annual ARSC Conference will be held at The Liaison Capitol Hill, an Affinia Hotel, at 415 New Jersey Avenue NW, Washington, DC, May 27-30, 2009. The hotel, which opened April 1, 2008, is located three blocks from Union Station, ten minutes from Reagan National Airport, and within walking distance of the U.S. Capitol, Library of Congress, the memorials on the National Mall, and the Smithsonian museums. For ARSC conference attendees, a block of rooms has been reserved for the nights of May 26-30, at a special rate of $149 per night, single or double (one king bed or two queen beds). The rate also applies three days prior and one day after the conference, based on availability. Reservations must be made by May 5, 2009 at (866) 233-4642 or reservations at affinia.com. Remember to request the ARSC 2009 DC Conference Rate. Rooms are available on a first-come, first-served basis. We expect our room block to sell out before the conference, and possibly prior to May 5. For more information about the Liaison Capitol Hill, visit: http://www.affinia.com/Washington-DC-Hotel.aspx?name=Liaison-Capitol-Hill PRE-CONFERENCE TOUR OF NAVCC: ARSC is planning a pre-conference tour of the new Library of Congress National Audio-Visual Conservation Center (NAVCC). The Packard Campus of the NAVCC, located on a beautiful 45-acre site near Culpeper, Virginia, is a state-of-the-art facility with unprecedented capabilities for audiovisual preservation and access. Chartered buses will depart from The Liaison Capitol Hill on the morning of May 27, and return tour participants to the hotel between 5:00 and 6:00 p.m. The tour will be limited to 100 people, and a separate registration fee will apply. For more information about NAVCC: http://www.loc.gov/avconservation/packard/ ARSC CONFERENCE WEBSITE Further details will be added to: http://www.arsc-audio.org/conference/ Registration forms for the conference and pre-conference tour will be available on the website in February or March 2009. Registration fees won't be set until that time, but we do not expect any significant increase over the 2008 rates, which are posted at: http://www.arsc-audio.org/conference/2008/pdf/2008-conf-reg.pdf Questions regarding the conference should be directed to Brenda Nelson-Strauss, ARSC Conference Manager, at bnelsons at indiana.edu The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals -- everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound. From steve_noreen at msn.com Tue Sep 9 05:51:09 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 08:51:09 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I am interested in your opinions. What do you think about playing two minute records with an R or H? What do you think about using a diamond B on 2 minute celluloid cylinders? How about playing brown wax cylinders with a model C? Shawn, I am especially interested in what you think. Thanks, Steve From lherault at bu.edu Tue Sep 9 06:32:36 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:32:36 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401c91280$85e26390$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> Hmmm, I wouldn't play two min. wax with an H but I might try two min. celluloid. I've never had an R to try on anything. I've tried the Diamond B on a two min. Celluloid and it sounded fine to me. If I didn't play 2 min wax with a C I couldn't play them at all. I don't have many that are pleasant to listen to and don't play them often. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:51 AM To: Phono-l; phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R Hello, I am interested in your opinions. What do you think about playing two minute records with an R or H? What do you think about using a diamond B on 2 minute celluloid cylinders? How about playing brown wax cylinders with a model C? Shawn, I am especially interested in what you think. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From andersun at tampabay.rr.com Tue Sep 9 06:54:47 2008 From: andersun at tampabay.rr.com (andersun at tampabay.rr.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:54:47 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R Message-ID: <1054044213-1220968500-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-342245229-@bxe290.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> No, no, yes. ------Original Message------ From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org To: Phono-l To: phonolist ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sep 9, 2008 8:51 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R Hello, I am interested in your opinions. What do you think about playing two minute records with an R or H? What do you think about using a diamond B on 2 minute celluloid cylinders? How about playing brown wax cylinders with a model C? Shawn, I am especially interested in what you think. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From rich-mail at octoxol.com Tue Sep 9 08:04:43 2008 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:04:43 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C6908B.1020803@octoxol.com> No, No, Maybe Steven Medved wrote: > Hello, > > I am interested in your opinions. > > What do you think about playing two minute records with an R or H? > > What do you think about using a diamond B on 2 minute celluloid cylinders? > > How about playing brown wax cylinders with a model C? > > Shawn, I am especially interested in what you think. > > Thanks, > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From jeffryy at prevea.com Tue Sep 9 08:23:52 2008 From: jeffryy at prevea.com (Jeffry Young, D.O.) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:23:52 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Collector contact information? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C7EA97CA5292848B80F204F38A737520EDA03DB@mercury.prevea.com> Anyone have contact information for collector Don Houde? I have his e-mail address, and we have communicated this way, but our communication seems to be very slow, not knowing how often he checks it! Might be better if we talk on the phone. Don, if you are out there, or anyone that has a phone number, please e-mail me off list at Jeffryy at Prevea.com Thnaks, Jeff Wiscosnin -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:51 AM To: Phono-l; phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R Hello, I am interested in your opinions. What do you think about playing two minute records with an R or H? What do you think about using a diamond B on 2 minute celluloid cylinders? How about playing brown wax cylinders with a model C? Shawn, I am especially interested in what you think. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From andersun at tampabay.rr.com Tue Sep 9 08:45:13 2008 From: andersun at tampabay.rr.com (andersun at tampabay.rr.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:45:13 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R In-Reply-To: <001401c91280$85e26390$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> References: <001401c91280$85e26390$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> Message-ID: <95553579-1220975123-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-763009939-@bxe290.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> No the 4 minute stylus is completely different than the 2 minute. The 4 minute groove is much smaller than the 2 minute. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Ron L" Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:32:36 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R Hmmm, I wouldn't play two min. wax with an H but I might try two min. celluloid. I've never had an R to try on anything. I've tried the Diamond B on a two min. Celluloid and it sounded fine to me. If I didn't play 2 min wax with a C I couldn't play them at all. I don't have many that are pleasant to listen to and don't play them often. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:51 AM To: Phono-l; phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R Hello, I am interested in your opinions. What do you think about playing two minute records with an R or H? What do you think about using a diamond B on 2 minute celluloid cylinders? How about playing brown wax cylinders with a model C? Shawn, I am especially interested in what you think. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Tue Sep 9 10:52:35 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:52:35 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R In-Reply-To: <95553579-1220975123-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-763009939-@bxe290.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <001401c91280$85e26390$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> <95553579-1220975123-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-763009939-@bxe290.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <003701c912a4$d7575090$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> Although it is not something one might want to do all the time, playing a 2 min celluloid with a 4 min stylus will probably not hurt either the cylinder or the stylus. I also suspect that the size of the stylus tip is not as critical for a hill and dale cylinder groove as it is for a lateral disk groove. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of andersun at tampabay.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:45 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R No the 4 minute stylus is completely different than the 2 minute. The 4 minute groove is much smaller than the 2 minute. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Ron L" Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:32:36 To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R Hmmm, I wouldn't play two min. wax with an H but I might try two min. celluloid. I've never had an R to try on anything. I've tried the Diamond B on a two min. Celluloid and it sounded fine to me. If I didn't play 2 min wax with a C I couldn't play them at all. I don't have many that are pleasant to listen to and don't play them often. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:51 AM To: Phono-l; phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R Hello, I am interested in your opinions. What do you think about playing two minute records with an R or H? What do you think about using a diamond B on 2 minute celluloid cylinders? How about playing brown wax cylinders with a model C? Shawn, I am especially interested in what you think. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From smstitt at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 13:02:52 2008 From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:02:52 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R In-Reply-To: <003701c912a4$d7575090$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> References: <001401c91280$85e26390$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> <95553579-1220975123-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-763009939-@bxe290.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <003701c912a4$d7575090$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> Message-ID: <7e8e90ff0809091302hf058730y8c27238457cd3de4@mail.gmail.com> I use an H on 2min. That wax has got very hard over the last 90 years. Never had a problem on many multiple plays. It might be argued that a smaller stylus may be better. I would guess a bit of shrinkage with age, at least I am.... Mike oldcanky On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Ron L wrote: > > Although it is not something one might want to do all the time, playing a 2 > min celluloid with a 4 min stylus will probably not hurt either the cylinder > or the stylus. I also suspect that the size of the stylus tip is not as > critical for a hill and dale cylinder groove as it is for a lateral disk > groove. > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of andersun at tampabay.rr.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:45 AM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R > > No the 4 minute stylus is completely different than the 2 minute. The 4 > minute groove is much smaller than the 2 minute. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Ron L" > > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:32:36 > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R > > > Hmmm, > > I wouldn't play two min. wax with an H but I might try two min. celluloid. > > > I've never had an R to try on anything. > > I've tried the Diamond B on a two min. Celluloid and it sounded fine to me. > > If I didn't play 2 min wax with a C I couldn't play them at all. I don't > have many that are pleasant to listen to and don't play them often. > > Ron L > > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Steven Medved > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:51 AM > To: Phono-l; phonolist > Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R > > Hello, > > I am interested in your opinions. > > What do you think about playing two minute records with an R or H? > > What do you think about using a diamond B on 2 minute celluloid cylinders? > > How about playing brown wax cylinders with a model C? > > Shawn, I am especially interested in what you think. > > Thanks, > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From smstitt at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 13:04:57 2008 From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:04:57 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R In-Reply-To: <7e8e90ff0809091302hf058730y8c27238457cd3de4@mail.gmail.com> References: <001401c91280$85e26390$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> <95553579-1220975123-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-763009939-@bxe290.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <003701c912a4$d7575090$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> <7e8e90ff0809091302hf058730y8c27238457cd3de4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e8e90ff0809091304mb88223ewe87dae43c4ee7d1d@mail.gmail.com> I've no problem with a C on brown wax. To be fair how often can you tolerate playing brown wax? On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Mike Stitt wrote: > I use an H on 2min. That wax has got very hard over the last 90 years. > Never had a problem on many multiple plays. It might be argued that a > smaller stylus may be better. I would guess a bit of shrinkage with > age, at least I am.... > Mike > oldcanky > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Ron L wrote: >> >> Although it is not something one might want to do all the time, playing a 2 >> min celluloid with a 4 min stylus will probably not hurt either the cylinder >> or the stylus. I also suspect that the size of the stylus tip is not as >> critical for a hill and dale cylinder groove as it is for a lateral disk >> groove. >> >> Ron L >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On >> Behalf Of andersun at tampabay.rr.com >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:45 AM >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R >> >> No the 4 minute stylus is completely different than the 2 minute. The 4 >> minute groove is much smaller than the 2 minute. >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Ron L" >> >> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:32:36 >> To: 'Antique Phonograph List' >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R >> >> >> Hmmm, >> >> I wouldn't play two min. wax with an H but I might try two min. celluloid. >> >> >> I've never had an R to try on anything. >> >> I've tried the Diamond B on a two min. Celluloid and it sounded fine to me. >> >> If I didn't play 2 min wax with a C I couldn't play them at all. I don't >> have many that are pleasant to listen to and don't play them often. >> >> Ron L >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On >> Behalf Of Steven Medved >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:51 AM >> To: Phono-l; phonolist >> Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R >> >> Hello, >> >> I am interested in your opinions. >> >> What do you think about playing two minute records with an R or H? >> >> What do you think about using a diamond B on 2 minute celluloid cylinders? >> >> How about playing brown wax cylinders with a model C? >> >> Shawn, I am especially interested in what you think. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > From citypointsb at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 15:20:09 2008 From: citypointsb at gmail.com (J.F. Bennett) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:20:09 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Patching Pot Metal Reproducer Message-ID: <3c7aed050809091520x2cac6796p48d8eaf176f39ba7@mail.gmail.com> Gents, I'm attempting to rebuilt a generic sound-box from a Berg Artone portable phonograph. The potmetal shell parts are still solid but showing numerous cracks and the supports for the needle-bar have cracks dangerously close to the screw holes. I had planned on filling the cracks with JB Weld, any opinions, ideas? I need a flat rubber gasket material as well, any ideas where I could locate such a beast? Finally I was unable to melt the solder holding the needle-bar to the diaphagm, which appears to be copper or copper-plated, it seems to be a lump of solder holding a small nut in place to the front of the diaphragm. The needle-bar appears to unscrew from the diaphragm, an earlier repair possibly? Any tips would be most appreciated. Regards, John B. From klinger at modex.com Tue Sep 9 18:29:17 2008 From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:29:17 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Conference 2009: Call for Presentations Message-ID: <000001c912e4$a8d42a50$0201a8c0@billqbszr49l7m> The following message has been posted by the Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC). --- 2009 ARSC CONFERENCE: CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS --- Proposal deadline: January 5, 2009 ARSC invites presentation proposals for its 43rd annual conference, to be held May 27-30, 2009, in Washington, DC. ARSC is dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods -- and welcomes presentations on all aspects of recorded sound of interest to our community of collectors, historians, musicians, preservationists, and archivists. In general, we seek talks, papers, panel sessions, and demonstrations that are informative and well organized, display a passion about their subjects, and include compelling audio and visual content. We especially welcome presentations that showcase Washington, DC and the greater mid-Atlantic area. Presentation proposals are due January 5, 2009. Please use the submission form on the ARSC website: http://www.arsc-audio.org/conference/ Presenters will be notified of acceptance by January 31, 2009. For more information, contact David Giovannoni, ARSC Program Chair: dgio-arsc at comcast.net The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization, unique in bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals -- everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound. From lherault at bu.edu Tue Sep 9 18:39:44 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:39:44 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Patching Pot Metal Reproducer In-Reply-To: <3c7aed050809091520x2cac6796p48d8eaf176f39ba7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c7aed050809091520x2cac6796p48d8eaf176f39ba7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43FE42F99C9C4277858AF7FE95A88E27@ronlherault> John, Is the diaphragm the same size as in other common reproducers? APSCO or George Vollema would then have them. I suppose someone could have hard soldered the nut on. You need a small torch to melt it. I can try it at the lab if you want to come over. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of J.F. Bennett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:20 PM To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Patching Pot Metal Reproducer Gents, I'm attempting to rebuilt a generic sound-box from a Berg Artone portable phonograph. The potmetal shell parts are still solid but showing numerous cracks and the supports for the needle-bar have cracks dangerously close to the screw holes. I had planned on filling the cracks with JB Weld, any opinions, ideas? I need a flat rubber gasket material as well, any ideas where I could locate such a beast? Finally I was unable to melt the solder holding the needle-bar to the diaphagm, which appears to be copper or copper-plated, it seems to be a lump of solder holding a small nut in place to the front of the diaphragm. The needle-bar appears to unscrew from the diaphragm, an earlier repair possibly? Any tips would be most appreciated. Regards, John B. _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ClockworkHome at aol.com Wed Sep 10 03:34:22 2008 From: ClockworkHome at aol.com (ClockworkHome at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:34:22 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R Message-ID: IMHO - My vote would be NO, NO, and NO. The effective pressure a stylus exerts on the record is a function of contact area. When a record has the correct diameter stylus riding in the groove the weight is distributed evenly across the total contact. To put a 4 minute stylus in the middle of a 2 minute groove raises the effective contact pressure by having a smaller contact point. It is the same weight but on a much smaller area. I have examined 2 minute records played with the wrong 4 minute stylus under a microscope and can see the new track cut into the wax and a path of compression on a 2 minute celluloid which did handle the pressure much better but was not completely unmarred. The Diamond B has a round point contact as opposed to the elliptical contact area of the doorknob C and H styli. The effective pressure per unit area on the recording medium is thus higher than the elliptical. I would surmise that some deformation of the 2 minute groove occurs. I may get out my microscope and check at some future slack time. I have a number of Bacigalupi brown wax recordings that were not done with a pantograph copier but were individual takes. While not great they are very presentable. I took one that was not too hot and tried a Model C on it. The wax was deformed with peaks being worn. The stylus ended up with a wax build up on it. When played with an Automatic the distortion was very apparent up to the point I quit playing with the Model C. Occasionally one may find a 4 minute R that has been fitted with a 2 minute stylus by someone along the way. It will play 2 minute records very well as will an N with a 2 minute stylus. The bugbear of the R and S is that getting the swollen potmetal out of the adapter shoe is a pain when one wants to put in new gaskets and service the diaphragm. A rebuilt R with a tuned up diaphragm and 2 minute stylus plays records very well. There is one more dimension to stylus pressure problems. A sapphire 4 minute stylus will flatten more quickly on celluloid than wax Amberols. The flat spot will damage wax Amberols when it gets too wide. Even the diamond stylus will eventually become worn and thus increase wear on even the Blue Amberols. There is a reason that "modern" LP turntables strove to get the tracking weight down below 2 grams. Less record wear was the goal. Edison was no doubt aware of the problem when the company trimmed the weights on the O reproducers to a trowel shape. Why they did not do all the O weights this way consistently is a mystery with an answer sitting somewhere in the Edison Site vault. Kindest Wishes to All, Al **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From andy at popyrus.com Wed Sep 10 08:47:46 2008 From: andy at popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:47:46 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6015AC2E-06CB-4C1D-9A13-9E3D0B664D77@popyrus.com> Thanks, Al for these thoughts and observations. Andy Baron Santa Fe On Sep 10, 2008, at 4:34 AM, ClockworkHome at aol.com wrote: > IMHO - My vote would be NO, NO, and NO. > > The effective pressure a stylus exerts on the record is a function > of contact > area. When a record has the correct diameter stylus riding in the > groove the > weight is distributed evenly across the total contact. To put a 4 > minute > stylus in the middle of a 2 minute groove raises the effective > contact pressure > by having a smaller contact point. It is the same weight but on a > much smaller > area. I have examined 2 minute records played with the wrong 4 > minute stylus > under a microscope and can see the new track cut into the wax and a > path of > compression on a 2 minute celluloid which did handle the pressure > much better > but was not completely unmarred. > > The Diamond B has a round point contact as opposed to the elliptical > contact > area of the doorknob C and H styli. The effective pressure per unit > area on > the recording medium is thus higher than the elliptical. I would > surmise that > some deformation of the 2 minute groove occurs. I may get out my > microscope > and check at some future slack time. > > I have a number of Bacigalupi brown wax recordings that were not > done with a > pantograph copier but were individual takes. While not great they > are very > presentable. I took one that was not too hot and tried a Model C on > it. The > wax was deformed with peaks being worn. The stylus ended up with a > wax build up > on it. When played with an Automatic the distortion was very > apparent up to > the point I quit playing with the Model C. > > Occasionally one may find a 4 minute R that has been fitted with a 2 > minute > stylus by someone along the way. It will play 2 minute records very > well as > will an N with a 2 minute stylus. The bugbear of the R and S is > that getting > the swollen potmetal out of the adapter shoe is a pain when one > wants to put in > new gaskets and service the diaphragm. A rebuilt R with a tuned up > diaphragm > and 2 minute stylus plays records very well. > > There is one more dimension to stylus pressure problems. A sapphire > 4 minute > stylus will flatten more quickly on celluloid than wax Amberols. > The flat > spot will damage wax Amberols when it gets too wide. Even the > diamond stylus > will eventually become worn and thus increase wear on even the Blue > Amberols. > > There is a reason that "modern" LP turntables strove to get the > tracking > weight down below 2 grams. Less record wear was the goal. Edison > was no doubt > aware of the problem when the company trimmed the weights on the O > reproducers > to a trowel shape. Why they did not do all the O weights this way > consistently > is a mystery with an answer sitting somewhere in the Edison Site > vault. > > Kindest Wishes to All, > > Al > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new > fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From phono-l at cylinder.de Wed Sep 10 12:35:47 2008 From: phono-l at cylinder.de (Norman Bruderhofer) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:35:47 +0200 Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080910194020.7FB63214362@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Yes, thank you, Al for this excellent summary and clarification. I have to admit that I am also concerned about using a regular 2-minute doorknob stylus, even with black wax. I have tested this with a wide variety of different reproducers where it always came to the point that on most cylinders any of the doorknob styli will take off a portion of wax, leaving some very tiny swarf on the record surface and the stylus tip. First, I thought there was something wrong with the stylus but it happened with so many other C's and K's that a worn stylus cannot be the reason. The wide dynamics of the black wax cylinders may even increase the resulting brownish distorted groove areas that we all know especially from opera, xylophone and loud march selections. Even if the resulting sound will lack of some clarity, I do only use ball shaped styli with any 2-minute wax cylinder by now and only electrical playback with rarer selections. I see lots of similarities to the discussion about which steel needle will do best. Best, Norman At 12:34 10.09.2008, you wrote: >IMHO - My vote would be NO, NO, and NO. > >The effective pressure a stylus exerts on the record is a function of contact >area. When a record has the correct diameter stylus riding in the groove the >weight is distributed evenly across the total contact. To put a 4 minute >stylus in the middle of a 2 minute groove raises the effective >contact pressure >by having a smaller contact point. It is the same weight but on a >much smaller >area. I have examined 2 minute records played with the wrong 4 minute stylus >under a microscope and can see the new track cut into the wax and a path of >compression on a 2 minute celluloid which did handle the pressure much better >but was not completely unmarred. > >The Diamond B has a round point contact as opposed to the elliptical contact >area of the doorknob C and H styli. The effective pressure per unit area on >the recording medium is thus higher than the elliptical. I would >surmise that >some deformation of the 2 minute groove occurs. I may get out my microscope >and check at some future slack time. > >I have a number of Bacigalupi brown wax recordings that were not done with a >pantograph copier but were individual takes. While not great they are very >presentable. I took one that was not too hot and tried a Model C on it. The >wax was deformed with peaks being worn. The stylus ended up with a >wax build up >on it. When played with an Automatic the distortion was very apparent up to >the point I quit playing with the Model C. > >Occasionally one may find a 4 minute R that has been fitted with a 2 minute >stylus by someone along the way. It will play 2 minute records very well as >will an N with a 2 minute stylus. The bugbear of the R and S is that getting >the swollen potmetal out of the adapter shoe is a pain when one >wants to put in >new gaskets and service the diaphragm. A rebuilt R with a tuned up diaphragm >and 2 minute stylus plays records very well. > >There is one more dimension to stylus pressure problems. A sapphire 4 minute >stylus will flatten more quickly on celluloid than wax Amberols. The flat >spot will damage wax Amberols when it gets too wide. Even the diamond stylus >will eventually become worn and thus increase wear on even the Blue Amberols. > >There is a reason that "modern" LP turntables strove to get the tracking >weight down below 2 grams. Less record wear was the goal. Edison >was no doubt >aware of the problem when the company trimmed the weights on the O >reproducers >to a trowel shape. Why they did not do all the O weights this way >consistently >is a mystery with an answer sitting somewhere in the Edison Site vault. > >Kindest Wishes to All, > >Al > > > > >**************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, >plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >(http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) >_______________________________________________ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From gbogantz1 at charter.net Wed Sep 10 12:47:37 2008 From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:47:37 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive References: Message-ID: <5956CA08FD814B9282751A59B2506B91@HPa1514n> I just received this link to a forum thread devoted to the Columbia BC. Reid Welch has fitted new friction parts to a BC and has had good success with them. He even includes a video of his machine in operation! The only one on the internet, I think. There's hope for us BC owners yet! Good stuff. Enjoy: http://www.forum.condorcup.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20&p=59#p51 Greg Bogantz ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive > paul baker used to restore these but he takes a long time to do it > > > In a message dated 8/30/2008 3:49:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > steve_noreen at msn.com writes: > > Hi Greg, > > Does anyone make reproduction parts for these reproducers? > > Steve > > > > : [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > Ron, it's difficult to > explain the BC friction wheel driveshaft system > without pictures or > handwaving > :o) The drive train begins with a > gear-driven piece of metal tubing > which is > enclosed in the stationary outer > housing which is fastened to the gear > housing casting on the side of the > machine. This first piece of tubing > (call > it part 1) rotates but does not > translate axially. Inside this rotating > tubing is the brass coupling sleeve > (part 2) which can rotate and also > slide > along its axis. And inside the > brass sleeve is the solid rod (part 3) > which > connects with the amber wheel. > This part 3 rotates and also slides > axially. > Part 2 has two slots, > diametrically opposed and milled into its outside > surface that run almost > the full length of the part. Part 1 transmits > its > torque via two setscrews > which extend inward from Part 1 into the slots > milled > in part 2. (Access to > these screws is via a hole drilled in the s > tationary outer tube.) This > allows Part 2 to be rotated by part 1 and > also > to slide axially inside part > 1. Part 3 has a "T" shaped fixture at its > end > that engages two longitudinal > slots milled INSIDE of part 2. This is > what > transmits the torque from part > 2 to part 3 and also allows part 3 to > translate axially. The slots inside > of part 2 do not extend all the way > to the > ends of part 2. When part 3 is > pulled along the mandrel with the > reproducer, > its T fixture hits the ends > of the slots inside of part 2 and thereby > drags > part 2 along with it > axially. All this assemblage has a purposefully > sloppy fit to allow the > amber wheel end of part 3 to wobble around > radially so > it can follow the > stylus assembly as it is raised and lowered from the > record surface.> > Clear as mud? Again, it's hard to envision what's > happening > without > seeing the structure in detail. But maybe this helps understand > it.> > > Greg Bogantz > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Wed Sep 10 15:28:26 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:28:26 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO Message-ID: hi ray you are right a ball stylus might work like for pathes its a neat reproducer and very much like a disc machine one but the kit you buy you need to make sure you have the sliding mount to put it on the tube where the horn goes is a bit bigger too so you have to adapt the horn a bit good luck to all the searches for it In a message dated 9/7/2008 9:12:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wilenzick at bellsouth.net writes: That's too bad, Zono, as the proper stylus may be tough to find. The kit to convert an AO to an AO/AW was made available by Columbia, but I don't recall seeing one for sale. The #8 reproducer is rare and was used only on the AO/AW and the AW (other than the MG which we don't have to talk about as few if any exist). I guess one reason to convert the AO, assuming the kit could be found, would be to have a much rarer machine with an unusual reproducer. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO > hi ray et al > on mine i cant tell you > i still need to find an appropriate stylus > mine did not come with one > > > > In a message dated 9/5/2008 11:19:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > wilenzick at bellsouth.net writes: > > I have an AO, but not an AW. I have been told that the sound quality of > the > > AW reproducer is inferior to that of the AO, so why would anyone want to > convert the machines. Is that true? > > Ray > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia no. 5 reproducer repair for Columbia AO > > >> HI >> I have an ao and an aow >> the reproducer and the neck it sits on are totally different on these >> so be careful in trying to convert one >> >> >> In a message dated 9/3/2008 4:37:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com writes: >> >> I'm looking for recommendations regarding someone who could expertly >> repair >> the reproducer on my Columbia AO. It's the floating type, a no. 5, I >> believe >> although it is not marked in any way. Would also be interested in the >> conversion kit to install the model 8 reproducer, which essentially >> converts an >> AO to an AW. >> >> Thanks, >> Bruce >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> >> >> >> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your >> travel >> deal here. >> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From steve_noreen at msn.com Wed Sep 10 15:53:02 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:53:02 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive In-Reply-To: <5956CA08FD814B9282751A59B2506B91@HPa1514n> References: <5956CA08FD814B9282751A59B2506B91@HPa1514n> Message-ID: Greg, Wonderful of you to share this, thanks so much. Steve > From: gbogantz1 at charter.net> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:47:37 -0400> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > I just received this link to a forum thread devoted to the Columbia BC. > Reid Welch has fitted new friction parts to a BC and has had good success > with them. He even includes a video of his machine in operation! The only > one on the internet, I think. There's hope for us BC owners yet! Good > stuff. Enjoy:> > http://www.forum.condorcup.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20&p=59#p51> > Greg Bogantz> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:16 AM> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > > > paul baker used to restore these but he takes a long time to do it> >> >> > In a message dated 8/30/2008 3:49:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> > steve_noreen at msn.com writes:> >> > Hi Greg,> >> > Does anyone make reproduction parts for these reproducers?> >> > Steve> >> >> >> > : [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > Ron, it's difficult to> > explain the BC friction wheel driveshaft system > without pictures or > > handwaving> > :o) The drive train begins with a > gear-driven piece of metal tubing > > which is> > enclosed in the stationary outer > housing which is fastened to the gear> > housing casting on the side of the > machine. This first piece of tubing > > (call> > it part 1) rotates but does not > translate axially. Inside this rotating> > tubing is the brass coupling sleeve > (part 2) which can rotate and also > > slide> > along its axis. And inside the > brass sleeve is the solid rod (part 3) > > which> > connects with the amber wheel. > This part 3 rotates and also slides > > axially.> > Part 2 has two slots, > diametrically opposed and milled into its outside> > surface that run almost > the full length of the part. Part 1 transmits > > its> > torque via two setscrews > which extend inward from Part 1 into the slots > > milled> > in part 2. (Access to > these screws is via a hole drilled in the s> > tationary outer tube.) This > allows Part 2 to be rotated by part 1 and > > also> > to slide axially inside part > 1. Part 3 has a "T" shaped fixture at its > > end> > that engages two longitudinal > slots milled INSIDE of part 2. This is > > what> > transmits the torque from part > 2 to part 3 and also allows part 3 to> > translate axially. The slots inside > of part 2 do not extend all the way > > to the> > ends of part 2. When part 3 is > pulled along the mandrel with the > > reproducer,> > its T fixture hits the ends > of the slots inside of part 2 and thereby > > drags> > part 2 along with it > axially. All this assemblage has a purposefully> > sloppy fit to allow the > amber wheel end of part 3 to wobble around > > radially so> > it can follow the > stylus assembly as it is raised and lowered from the> > record surface.> > Clear as mud? Again, it's hard to envision what's > > happening> > without > seeing the structure in detail. But maybe this helps understand > > it.> >> > Greg Bogantz> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> >> >> >> >> > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > > travel> > deal here.> > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Wed Sep 10 18:44:17 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:44:17 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R In-Reply-To: <003701c912a4$d7575090$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> References: <001401c91280$85e26390$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> <95553579-1220975123-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-763009939-@bxe290.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <003701c912a4$d7575090$17d4299b@ad.bu.edu> Message-ID: I really appreciate all the replies, I have learned a great deal thanks. Steve > From: lherault at bu.edu> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:52:35 -0400> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R> > > Although it is not something one might want to do all the time, playing a 2> min celluloid with a 4 min stylus will probably not hurt either the cylinder> or the stylus. I also suspect that the size of the stylus tip is not as> critical for a hill and dale cylinder groove as it is for a lateral disk> groove.> > Ron L> > -----Original Message-----> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On> Behalf Of andersun at tampabay.rr.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:45 AM> To: Antique Phonograph List> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R> > No the 4 minute stylus is completely different than the 2 minute. The 4> minute groove is much smaller than the 2 minute.> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T> > -----Original Message-----> From: "Ron L" > > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:32:36 > To: 'Antique Phonograph List'> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R> > > Hmmm, > > I wouldn't play two min. wax with an H but I might try two min. celluloid.> > > I've never had an R to try on anything.> > I've tried the Diamond B on a two min. Celluloid and it sounded fine to me.> > If I didn't play 2 min wax with a C I couldn't play them at all. I don't> have many that are pleasant to listen to and don't play them often.> > Ron L> > > -----Original Message-----> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On> Behalf Of Steven Medved> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:51 AM> To: Phono-l; phonolist> Subject: [Phono-L] Playing two minute wax records with an H or R> > Hello,> > I am interested in your opinions.> > What do you think about playing two minute records with an R or H?> > What do you think about using a diamond B on 2 minute celluloid cylinders?> > How about playing brown wax cylinders with a model C?> > Shawn, I am especially interested in what you think.> > Thanks,> > Steve> _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From andersun at tampabay.rr.com Wed Sep 10 19:56:45 2008 From: andersun at tampabay.rr.com (andersun at tampabay.rr.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:56:45 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive In-Reply-To: References: <5956CA08FD814B9282751A59B2506B91@HPa1514n> Message-ID: <1675629186-1221101816-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-366835006-@bxe290.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Steve, Were you keeping track of automatic reproducer numbers? I just got another polyphone standard with 2 customized reproducers, a regular automatic and a recorder. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Steven Medved Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:53:02 To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive Greg, Wonderful of you to share this, thanks so much. Steve > From: gbogantz1 at charter.net> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:47:37 -0400> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > I just received this link to a forum thread devoted to the Columbia BC. > Reid Welch has fitted new friction parts to a BC and has had good success > with them. He even includes a video of his machine in operation! The only > one on the internet, I think. There's hope for us BC owners yet! Good > stuff. Enjoy:> > http://www.forum.condorcup.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20&p=59#p51> > Greg Bogantz> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:16 AM> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > > > paul baker used to restore these but he takes a long time to do it> >> >> > In a message dated 8/30/2008 3:49:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> > steve_noreen at msn.com writes:> >> > Hi Greg,> >> > Does anyone make reproduction parts for these reproducers?> >> > Steve> >> >> >> > : [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > Ron, it's difficult to> > explain the BC friction wheel driveshaft system > without pictures or > > handwaving> > :o) The drive train begins with a > gear-driven piece of metal tubing > > which is> > enclosed in the stationary outer > housing which is fastened to the gear> > housing casting on the side of the > machine. This first piece of tubing > > (call> > it part 1) rotates but does not > translate axially. Inside this rotating> > tubing is the brass coupling sleeve > (part 2) which can rotate and also > > slide> > along its axis. And inside the > brass sleeve is the solid rod (part 3) > > which> > connects with the amber wheel. > This part 3 rotates and also slides > > axially.> > Part 2 has two slots, > diametrically opposed and milled into its outside> > surface that run almost > the full length of the part. Part 1 transmits > > its> > torque via two setscrews > which extend inward fr om Part 1 into the slots > > milled> > in part 2. (Access to > these screws is via a hole drilled in the s> > tationary outer tube.) This > allows Part 2 to be rotated by part 1 and > > also> > to slide axially inside part > 1. Part 3 has a "T" shaped fixture at its > > end> > that engages two longitudinal > slots milled INSIDE of part 2. This is > > what> > transmits the torque from part > 2 to part 3 and also allows part 3 to> > translate axially. The slots inside > of part 2 do not extend all the way > > to the> > ends of part 2. When part 3 is > pulled along the mandrel with the > > reproducer,> > its T fixture hits the ends > of the slots inside of part 2 and thereby > > drags> > part 2 along with it > axially. All this assemblage has a purposefully> > sloppy fit to allow the > amber wheel end of part 3 to wobble around > > radially so> > it can follow the > stylus assembly as it is raised and lowered from the> > record surface.> > Clear as mud? Again, it's hard to envi sion what's > > happening> > without > seeing the structure in detail. But maybe this helps understand > > it.> >> > Greg Bogantz> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> >> >> >> >> > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > > travel> > deal here.> > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From mobilityscooters at xtra.co.nz Wed Sep 10 20:07:50 2008 From: mobilityscooters at xtra.co.nz (Mobility Scooters) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:07:50 +1200 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Greg Fantastic to see one of these machines working so well. Very, very well done. I have a BC missing the Stylus and weight. Can anyone out there please help me find one. Many thanks Tony McCarthy New Zealand Or email me mobilityscooters at xtra.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 10:53 a.m. To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive Greg, Wonderful of you to share this, thanks so much. Steve > From: gbogantz1 at charter.net> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:47:37 -0400> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > I just received this link to a forum thread devoted to the Columbia BC. > Reid Welch has fitted new friction parts to a BC and has had good success > with them. He even includes a video of his machine in operation! The only > one on the internet, I think. There's hope for us BC owners yet! Good > stuff. Enjoy:> > http://www.forum.condorcup.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20&p=59#p51> > Greg Bogantz> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:16 AM> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > > > paul baker used to restore these but he takes a long time to do it> >> >> > In a message dated 8/30/2008 3:49:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> > steve_noreen at msn.com writes:> >> > Hi Greg,> >> > Does anyone make reproduction parts for these reproducers?> >> > Steve> >> >> >> > : [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > Ron, it's difficult to> > explain the BC friction wheel driveshaft system > without pictures or > > handwaving> > :o) The drive train begins with a > gear-driven piece of metal tubing > > which is> > enclosed in the stationary outer > housing which is fastened to the gear> > housing casting on the side of the > machine. This first piece of tubing > > (call> > it part 1) rotates but does not > translate axially. Inside this rotating> > tubing is the brass coupling sleeve > (part 2) which can rotate and also > > slide> > along its axis. And inside the > brass sleeve is the solid rod (part 3) > > which> > connects with the amber wheel. > This part 3 rotates and also slides > > axially.> > Part 2 has two slots, > diametrically opposed and milled into its outside> > surface that run almost > the full length of the part. Part 1 transmits > > its> > torque via two setscrews > which extend inward fr om Part 1 into the slots > > milled> > in part 2. (Access to > these screws is via a hole drilled in the s> > tationary outer tube.) This > allows Part 2 to be rotated by part 1 and > > also> > to slide axially inside part > 1. Part 3 has a "T" shaped fixture at its > > end> > that engages two longitudinal > slots milled INSIDE of part 2. This is > > what> > transmits the torque from part > 2 to part 3 and also allows part 3 to> > translate axially. The slots inside > of part 2 do not extend all the way > > to the> > ends of part 2. When part 3 is > pulled along the mandrel with the > > reproducer,> > its T fixture hits the ends > of the slots inside of part 2 and thereby > > drags> > part 2 along with it > axially. All this assemblage has a purposefully> > sloppy fit to allow the > amber wheel end of part 3 to wobble around > > radially so> > it can follow the > stylus assembly as it is raised and lowered from the> > record surface.> > Clear as mud? Again, it's hard to envi sion what's > > happening> > without > seeing the structure in detail. But maybe this helps understand > > it.> >> > Greg Bogantz> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> >> >> >> >> > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > > travel> > deal here.> > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Thu Sep 11 05:46:20 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:46:20 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002d01c9140c$63fc1e00$d0d4299b@ad.bu.edu> If my friend dismantles his reproducer, I will see about getting dimensions, materials and the weight of the weight to reproduce a set. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mobility Scooters Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:08 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive Greg Fantastic to see one of these machines working so well. Very, very well done. I have a BC missing the Stylus and weight. Can anyone out there please help me find one. Many thanks Tony McCarthy New Zealand Or email me mobilityscooters at xtra.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 10:53 a.m. To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive Greg, Wonderful of you to share this, thanks so much. Steve > From: gbogantz1 at charter.net> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:47:37 -0400> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > I just received this link to a forum thread devoted to the Columbia BC. > Reid Welch has fitted new friction parts to a BC and has had good success > with them. He even includes a video of his machine in operation! The only > one on the internet, I think. There's hope for us BC owners yet! Good > stuff. Enjoy:> > http://www.forum.condorcup.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20&p=59#p51> > Greg Bogantz> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:16 AM> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > > > paul baker used to restore these but he takes a long time to do it> >> >> > In a message dated 8/30/2008 3:49:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> > steve_noreen at msn.com writes:> >> > Hi Greg,> >> > Does anyone make reproduction parts for these reproducers?> >> > Steve> >> >> >> > : [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > Ron, it's difficult to> > explain the BC friction wheel driveshaft system > without pictures or > > handwaving> > :o) The drive train begins with a > gear-driven piece of metal tubing > > which is> > enclosed in the stationary outer > housing which is fastened to the gear> > housing casting on the side of the > machine. This first piece of tubing > > (call> > it part 1) rotates but does not > translate axially. Inside this rotating> > tubing is the brass coupling sleeve > (part 2) which can rotate and also > > slide> > along its axis. And inside the > brass sleeve is the solid rod (part 3) > > which> > connects with the amber wheel. > This part 3 rotates and also slides > > axially.> > Part 2 has two slots, > diametrically opposed and milled into its outside> > surface that run almost > the full length of the part. Part 1 transmits > > its> > torque via two setscrews > which extend inward fr om Part 1 into the slots > > milled> > in part 2. (Access to > these screws is via a hole drilled in the s> > tationary outer tube.) This > allows Part 2 to be rotated by part 1 and > > also> > to slide axially inside part > 1. Part 3 has a "T" shaped fixture at its > > end> > that engages two longitudinal > slots milled INSIDE of part 2. This is > > what> > transmits the torque from part > 2 to part 3 and also allows part 3 to> > translate axially. The slots inside > of part 2 do not extend all the way > > to the> > ends of part 2. When part 3 is > pulled along the mandrel with the > > reproducer,> > its T fixture hits the ends > of the slots inside of part 2 and thereby > > drags> > part 2 along with it > axially. All this assemblage has a purposefully> > sloppy fit to allow the > amber wheel end of part 3 to wobble around > > radially so> > it can follow the > stylus assembly as it is raised and lowered from the> > record surface.> > Clear as mud? Again, it's hard to envi sion what's > > happening> > without > seeing the structure in detail. But maybe this helps understand > > it.> >> > Greg Bogantz> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> >> >> >> >> > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > > travel> > deal here.> > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From mobilityscooters at xtra.co.nz Thu Sep 11 15:14:17 2008 From: mobilityscooters at xtra.co.nz (Mobility Scooters) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:14:17 +1200 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive In-Reply-To: <002d01c9140c$63fc1e00$d0d4299b@ad.bu.edu> Message-ID: Ron, That would be fantastic and a very good start. I really need to find someone that will make it for me. It is such a shame as everything else on the machine seems in good condition. Can anyone tell me how many different BC models that were made. Mine is a two minute machine Tony -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]On Behalf Of Ron L Sent: Friday, 12 September 2008 12:46 a.m. To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive If my friend dismantles his reproducer, I will see about getting dimensions, materials and the weight of the weight to reproduce a set. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mobility Scooters Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:08 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive Greg Fantastic to see one of these machines working so well. Very, very well done. I have a BC missing the Stylus and weight. Can anyone out there please help me find one. Many thanks Tony McCarthy New Zealand Or email me mobilityscooters at xtra.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 10:53 a.m. To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive Greg, Wonderful of you to share this, thanks so much. Steve > From: gbogantz1 at charter.net> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:47:37 -0400> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > I just received this link to a forum thread devoted to the Columbia BC. > Reid Welch has fitted new friction parts to a BC and has had good success > with them. He even includes a video of his machine in operation! The only > one on the internet, I think. There's hope for us BC owners yet! Good > stuff. Enjoy:> > http://www.forum.condorcup.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20&p=59#p51> > Greg Bogantz> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:16 AM> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > > > paul baker used to restore these but he takes a long time to do it> >> >> > In a message dated 8/30/2008 3:49:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> > steve_noreen at msn.com writes:> >> > Hi Greg,> >> > Does anyone make reproduction parts for these reproducers?> >> > Steve> >> >> >> > : [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > Ron, it's difficult to> > explain the BC friction wheel driveshaft system > without pictures or > > handwaving> > :o) The drive train begins with a > gear-driven piece of metal tubing > > which is> > enclosed in the stationary outer > housing which is fastened to the gear> > housing casting on the side of the > machine. This first piece of tubing > > (call> > it part 1) rotates but does not > translate axially. Inside this rotating> > tubing is the brass coupling sleeve > (part 2) which can rotate and also > > slide> > along its axis. And inside the > brass sleeve is the solid rod (part 3) > > which> > connects with the amber wheel. > This part 3 rotates and also slides > > axially.> > Part 2 has two slots, > diametrically opposed and milled into its outside> > surface that run almost > the full length of the part. Part 1 transmits > > its> > torque via two setscrews > which extend inward fr om Part 1 into the slots > > milled> > in part 2. (Access to > these screws is via a hole drilled in the s> > tationary outer tube.) This > allows Part 2 to be rotated by part 1 and > > also> > to slide axially inside part > 1. Part 3 has a "T" shaped fixture at its > > end> > that engages two longitudinal > slots milled INSIDE of part 2. This is > > what> > transmits the torque from part > 2 to part 3 and also allows part 3 to> > translate axially. The slots inside > of part 2 do not extend all the way > > to the> > ends of part 2. When part 3 is > pulled along the mandrel with the > > reproducer,> > its T fixture hits the ends > of the slots inside of part 2 and thereby > > drags> > part 2 along with it > axially. All this assemblage has a purposefully> > sloppy fit to allow the > amber wheel end of part 3 to wobble around > > radially so> > it can follow the > stylus assembly as it is raised and lowered from the> > record surface.> > Clear as mud? Again, it's hard to envi sion what's > > happening> > without > seeing the structure in detail. But maybe this helps understand > > it.> >> > Greg Bogantz> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> >> >> >> >> > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > > travel> > deal here.> > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From mobilityscooters at xtra.co.nz Thu Sep 11 15:14:22 2008 From: mobilityscooters at xtra.co.nz (Mobility Scooters) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:14:22 +1200 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive In-Reply-To: <002d01c9140c$63fc1e00$d0d4299b@ad.bu.edu> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]On Behalf Of Ron L Sent: Friday, 12 September 2008 12:46 a.m. To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive If my friend dismantles his reproducer, I will see about getting dimensions, materials and the weight of the weight to reproduce a set. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mobility Scooters Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:08 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive Greg Fantastic to see one of these machines working so well. Very, very well done. I have a BC missing the Stylus and weight. Can anyone out there please help me find one. Many thanks Tony McCarthy New Zealand Or email me mobilityscooters at xtra.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 10:53 a.m. To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive Greg, Wonderful of you to share this, thanks so much. Steve > From: gbogantz1 at charter.net> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:47:37 -0400> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > I just received this link to a forum thread devoted to the Columbia BC. > Reid Welch has fitted new friction parts to a BC and has had good success > with them. He even includes a video of his machine in operation! The only > one on the internet, I think. There's hope for us BC owners yet! Good > stuff. Enjoy:> > http://www.forum.condorcup.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20&p=59#p51> > Greg Bogantz> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:16 AM> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > > > paul baker used to restore these but he takes a long time to do it> >> >> > In a message dated 8/30/2008 3:49:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> > steve_noreen at msn.com writes:> >> > Hi Greg,> >> > Does anyone make reproduction parts for these reproducers?> >> > Steve> >> >> >> > : [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > Ron, it's difficult to> > explain the BC friction wheel driveshaft system > without pictures or > > handwaving> > :o) The drive train begins with a > gear-driven piece of metal tubing > > which is> > enclosed in the stationary outer > housing which is fastened to the gear> > housing casting on the side of the > machine. This first piece of tubing > > (call> > it part 1) rotates but does not > translate axially. Inside this rotating> > tubing is the brass coupling sleeve > (part 2) which can rotate and also > > slide> > along its axis. And inside the > brass sleeve is the solid rod (part 3) > > which> > connects with the amber wheel. > This part 3 rotates and also slides > > axially.> > Part 2 has two slots, > diametrically opposed and milled into its outside> > surface that run almost > the full length of the part. Part 1 transmits > > its> > torque via two setscrews > which extend inward fr om Part 1 into the slots > > milled> > in part 2. (Access to > these screws is via a hole drilled in the s> > tationary outer tube.) This > allows Part 2 to be rotated by part 1 and > > also> > to slide axially inside part > 1. Part 3 has a "T" shaped fixture at its > > end> > that engages two longitudinal > slots milled INSIDE of part 2. This is > > what> > transmits the torque from part > 2 to part 3 and also allows part 3 to> > translate axially. The slots inside > of part 2 do not extend all the way > > to the> > ends of part 2. When part 3 is > pulled along the mandrel with the > > reproducer,> > its T fixture hits the ends > of the slots inside of part 2 and thereby > > drags> > part 2 along with it > axially. All this assemblage has a purposefully> > sloppy fit to allow the > amber wheel end of part 3 to wobble around > > radially so> > it can follow the > stylus assembly as it is raised and lowered from the> > record surface.> > Clear as mud? Again, it's hard to envi sion what's > > happening> > without > seeing the structure in detail. But maybe this helps understand > > it.> >> > Greg Bogantz> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> >> >> >> >> > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > > travel> > deal here.> > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Thu Sep 11 20:43:38 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:43:38 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive In-Reply-To: References: <002d01c9140c$63fc1e00$d0d4299b@ad.bu.edu> Message-ID: <125DB4B798454CD59FA557DCEDCF1FF0@ronlherault> My friend Don's is a 2/4 and there was an early and late case, I believe. Ron -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mobility Scooters Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:14 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive Ron, That would be fantastic and a very good start. I really need to find someone that will make it for me. It is such a shame as everything else on the machine seems in good condition. Can anyone tell me how many different BC models that were made. Mine is a two minute machine Tony -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]On Behalf Of Ron L Sent: Friday, 12 September 2008 12:46 a.m. To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive If my friend dismantles his reproducer, I will see about getting dimensions, materials and the weight of the weight to reproduce a set. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mobility Scooters Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:08 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive Greg Fantastic to see one of these machines working so well. Very, very well done. I have a BC missing the Stylus and weight. Can anyone out there please help me find one. Many thanks Tony McCarthy New Zealand Or email me mobilityscooters at xtra.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 10:53 a.m. To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive Greg, Wonderful of you to share this, thanks so much. Steve > From: gbogantz1 at charter.net> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:47:37 -0400> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > I just received this link to a forum thread devoted to the Columbia BC. > Reid Welch has fitted new friction parts to a BC and has had good success > with them. He even includes a video of his machine in operation! The only > one on the internet, I think. There's hope for us BC owners yet! Good > stuff. Enjoy:> > http://www.forum.condorcup.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20&p=59#p51> > Greg Bogantz> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:16 AM> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > > > paul baker used to restore these but he takes a long time to do it> >> >> > In a message dated 8/30/2008 3:49:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> > steve_noreen at msn.com writes:> >> > Hi Greg,> >> > Does anyone make reproduction parts for these reproducers?> >> > Steve> >> >> >> > : [Phono-L] Columbia BC friction wheel drive> > Ron, it's difficult to> > explain the BC friction wheel driveshaft system > without pictures or > > handwaving> > :o) The drive train begins with a > gear-driven piece of metal tubing > > which is> > enclosed in the stationary outer > housing which is fastened to the gear> > housing casting on the side of the > machine. This first piece of tubing > > (call> > it part 1) rotates but does not > translate axially. Inside this rotating> > tubing is the brass coupling sleeve > (part 2) which can rotate and also > > slide> > along its axis. And inside the > brass sleeve is the solid rod (part 3) > > which> > connects with the amber wheel. > This part 3 rotates and also slides > > axially.> > Part 2 has two slots, > diametrically opposed and milled into its outside> > surface that run almost > the full length of the part. Part 1 transmits > > its> > torque via two setscrews > which extend inward fr om Part 1 into the slots > > milled> > in part 2. (Access to > these screws is via a hole drilled in the s> > tationary outer tube.) This > allows Part 2 to be rotated by part 1 and > > also> > to slide axially inside part > 1. Part 3 has a "T" shaped fixture at its > > end> > that engages two longitudinal > slots milled INSIDE of part 2. This is > > what> > transmits the torque from part > 2 to part 3 and also allows part 3 to> > translate axially. The slots inside > of part 2 do not extend all the way > > to the> > ends of part 2. When part 3 is > pulled along the mandrel with the > > reproducer,> > its T fixture hits the ends > of the slots inside of part 2 and thereby > > drags> > part 2 along with it > axially. All this assemblage has a purposefully> > sloppy fit to allow the > amber wheel end of part 3 to wobble around > > radially so> > it can follow the > stylus assembly as it is raised and lowered from the> > record surface.> > Clear as mud? Again, it's hard to envi sion what's > > happening> > without > seeing the structure in detail. But maybe this helps understand > > it.> >> > Greg Bogantz> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> >> >> >> >> > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > > travel> > deal here.> > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Bruce78rpm at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 19:05:25 2008 From: Bruce78rpm at comcast.net (BruceY) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:05:25 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola with Cabinet Message-ID: <000a01c91545$2fb222e0$6401a8c0@user52c8f93503> http://cgi.ebay.com/EDISON-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH-IN-RARE-CABINET-SWEET_W0QQitemZ270273035792QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270273035792&_trkparms=72%3A1163%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 Here is an item I Haven't seen before. A Cabinet into which an Amberola Phonograph neatly fits to give the illusion that it is all one unit, along with cylinder storage down below. Am I correctly assuming that these cabinets were sold after market and were not available at Edison dealers?? Bruce From Phonophan at aol.com Fri Sep 12 19:13:12 2008 From: Phonophan at aol.com (Phonophan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:13:12 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola with Cabinet Message-ID: This is a Babson Bro.s cabinet, sold by mail order with the machine. It came in 4 and 5 "drawer" models (see The Talking Machine, an Illustrated Compendium). Cheers to all, Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com In a message dated 9/12/2008 10:04:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Bruce78rpm at comcast.net writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/EDISON-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH-IN-RARE-CABINET-SWEET_W0QQitemZ 270273035792QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270273035792&_trkparms=72%3A1163%7C39%3A1% 7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 Here is an item I Haven't seen before. A Cabinet into which an Amberola Phonograph neatly fits to give the illusion that it is all one unit, along with cylinder storage down below. Am I correctly assuming that these cabinets were sold after market and were not available at Edison dealers?? Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From john9ten at pacbell.net Sat Sep 13 02:15:19 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola with Cabinet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <21703.49648.qm@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It also came with an extension shaft for the crank. God help you if you lose it - they are almost impossible to find separately!!! They are about?three inches or so long, male on one end and female on the other. The amberola crank screws into one end and the other screws onto the winding shaft. I once had one of these cabinets, they are cool and a great way to store cylinders! John Robles --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Phonophan at aol.com wrote: From: Phonophan at aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola with Cabinet To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 7:13 PM This is a Babson Bro.s cabinet, sold by mail order with the machine. It came in 4 and 5 "drawer" models (see The Talking Machine, an Illustrated Compendium). Cheers to all, Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com In a message dated 9/12/2008 10:04:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Bruce78rpm at comcast.net writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/EDISON-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH-IN-RARE-CABINET-SWEET_W0QQitemZ 270273035792QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270273035792&_trkparms=72%3A1163%7C39%3A1% 7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 Here is an item I Haven't seen before. A Cabinet into which an Amberola Phonograph neatly fits to give the illusion that it is all one unit, along with cylinder storage down below. Am I correctly assuming that these cabinets were sold after market and were not available at Edison dealers?? Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Sat Sep 13 11:45:30 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks Message-ID: <266274.77187.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all I wanted to hear your thoughts on this.? I just got a notification email from Auctiva about changes eBay is putting in place in the coming months. One of them is that they are no longer going to allow paper payments, i.e. money orders or checks as a form of payment. Excuse me, but shouldn't it lie with the seller what form of payment to accept?? This is going to cost them a lot of business from sellers and buyers who will not use Paypal. Of course since eBay owns Paypal, they are foreseeing a swell of business and fees... Here is the text of eBay's communication on this: Beginning late October 2008, all items listed on eBay.com must be paid for using one of the following approved payment options: Direct credit or debit card payment via a merchant credit card account PayPal ProPay Payment on pick-up Paper payment methods such as checks and money orders will no longer be accepted on eBay.com. By January 2009, all approved electronic payment methods will be integrated into eBay checkout. For example, buyers will be able to enter their credit card number directly into eBay checkout, and the payment will be routed to the seller's Internet merchant account or to their PayPal account. Please note that the new payments policy will not apply to the vehicles categories in Motors, capital equipment categories in Business & Industrial, Mature Audiences and Real Estate. ? John Robles From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Sat Sep 13 12:07:30 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:07:30 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks Message-ID: HI ALL even more interesting is paypal will give 1099s for sales over 20000. or transactions over 200 for the year according to an irs letter i got recently mmmmmm In a message dated 9/13/2008 2:47:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john9ten at pacbell.net writes: Hi all I wanted to hear your thoughts on this. I just got a notification email from Auctiva about changes eBay is putting in place in the coming months. One of them is that they are no longer going to allow paper payments, i.e. money orders or checks as a form of payment. Excuse me, but shouldn't it lie with the seller what form of payment to accept?? This is going to cost them a lot of business from sellers and buyers who will not use Paypal. Of course since eBay owns Paypal, they are foreseeing a swell of business and fees... Here is the text of eBay's communication on this: Beginning late October 2008, all items listed on eBay.com must be paid for using one of the following approved payment options: Direct credit or debit card payment via a merchant credit card account PayPal ProPay Payment on pick-up Paper payment methods such as checks and money orders will no longer be accepted on eBay.com. By January 2009, all approved electronic payment methods will be integrated into eBay checkout. For example, buyers will be able to enter their credit card number directly into eBay checkout, and the payment will be routed to the seller's Internet merchant account or to their PayPal account. Please note that the new payments policy will not apply to the vehicles categories in Motors, capital equipment categories in Business & Industrial, Mature Audiences and Real Estate. John Robles _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From citypointsb at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 12:20:35 2008 From: citypointsb at gmail.com (J.F. Bennett) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:20:35 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks Message-ID: <3c7aed050809131220s4b2b8b26ic3d95c7de6689cb6@mail.gmail.com> I just finally joined PayPal after over four years on the 'Bay with very very few problems.I'm into my second Paypal transaction and I having trouble already. GRRRRR! I had to open a special bank account for the damnable thing. The E-Bay rep. I spoke with last week informed me the change is supposed to make E-Bay safer and troubel free. He claimed nearly all the payment/damaged-not as described disputed arose from money order, check or cash transactions. I was calling to complain about a seller who will not refund my money for a broken record so he tried to use my complaint to convince me of the benefits of the change rather than help me with my issue. (Which is still unresolved!, I'd love to give you all the name of the seller in question...) I think everyone who uses E-Bay should call or e-mail them to tell them they need to retain the non-electronic option, even if you don't use it, options are a good thing. ;-) Regards, John B. > > From rich-mail at octoxol.com Sat Sep 13 14:15:28 2008 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:15:28 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks In-Reply-To: <3c7aed050809131220s4b2b8b26ic3d95c7de6689cb6@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c7aed050809131220s4b2b8b26ic3d95c7de6689cb6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CC2D70.1070104@octoxol.com> The reason for this is obvious. The IRS has discovered the underground economy flows through eBay and has come down on them as being ultimately responsible for all of the $$ the govt does not get. They also have hit the credit card companies. This has occurred in the last 6 to 8 weeks. So between your credit card records and the eBay records they will be able to see how much your little business is grossing. They will also, out of the goodness of their hearts make this information available to your state. From estott at localnet.com Sat Sep 13 13:59:53 2008 From: estott at localnet.com (estott at localnet.com) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:59:53 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Charles Edison- the Avant Garde Bohemian? Message-ID: <20080913165953.n3jwo922o48wswcc@webmail.localnet.com> I've recently picked up a few materials which gave me a new perspective on Charles Edison. It seems that in 1915-1916 he entered into a partnership with Guido Bruno. He was a colorful individual styled the "Barnum of Greenwich Village" who operated "Bruno's Garret" where for a small sum tourists could see Genuine Greenwich Village Artists painting, sculpting, reading poetry, and in general being colorful. (Needless to say most Greenwich Village artists detested doing this.)? Anyhow, Charles Edison is listed as the publisher of "Bruno's Weekly" a little pamphlet of literature and essays which (not surprisingly) has an occasional plug for Diamond Discs.? The back covers of the issues I have advertise "Charles Edison's Little Thimble Theater" at 10 Fifth Avenue. Performances listed are a play about Stephen Foster, a "Disc Concert on the square" and most interestingly "Passion, Poison and Petrification!" by G. Bernard Shaw, and "Miss Julia" by August Strindberg. ? In addition a little Googling shows that Charles Edison contributed verse to the magazine under the name "Tom Sleeper".? Here is an example: "BIOGRAPHY A black crow flapped his wings in a dead tree. At that moment I was born. A camel awoke, stretched and wandered away over the desert; just then my mate came into being. We met quite accidentally at Darjeeling, married, raised five chindren, built a house and kept a cat. Later we died and were buried in the same grave. This completes our history . . . Not that it does anybody any good." ?? It would seem that Thomas Edison put a stop to this activity when he put Charles to work in the phonograph plant. Eric Stott From abefeder1 at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 14:19:16 2008 From: abefeder1 at gmail.com (Abe Feder) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:19:16 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks In-Reply-To: <3c7aed050809131220s4b2b8b26ic3d95c7de6689cb6@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c7aed050809131220s4b2b8b26ic3d95c7de6689cb6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4e885f140809131419h2b5768e6ka7cd0242ea9d691a@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I have never had anything but trouble with ebay palpal and will not use it anymore. i know that others really like it-the luck of the draw-i Guess. Need4art On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:20 PM, J.F. Bennett wrote: > I just finally joined PayPal after over four years on the 'Bay with very > very few problems.I'm into my second Paypal transaction and I having > trouble > already. GRRRRR! I had to open a special bank account for the damnable > thing. > The E-Bay rep. I spoke with last week informed me the change is supposed > to > make E-Bay safer and troubel free. He claimed nearly all the > payment/damaged-not as described disputed arose from money order, check or > cash transactions. I was calling to complain about a seller who will not > refund my money for a broken record so he tried to use my complaint to > convince me of the benefits of the change rather than help me with my > issue. > (Which is still unresolved!, I'd love to give you all the name of the > seller > in question...) > I think everyone who uses E-Bay should call or e-mail them to tell them > they need to retain the non-electronic option, even if you don't use it, > options are a good thing. ;-) > > > Regards, > > John B. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From steve_noreen at msn.com Sat Sep 13 15:16:34 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:16:34 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks In-Reply-To: <3c7aed050809131220s4b2b8b26ic3d95c7de6689cb6@mail.gmail.com> References: <3c7aed050809131220s4b2b8b26ic3d95c7de6689cb6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: http://www.toolhaus.org/ This lets you see a sellers negative feedback given and received without the eBay 1 year cap. I avoid sellers that leave mean feedback and I have been happy. If you use PayPal use your credit card, that way you actually have protection. With eBay all the changes are for your good which translated means good for their pocket book. That way they will have less problems to deal with. Steve > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:20:35 -0400> From: citypointsb at gmail.com> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Subject: [Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks> > I just finally joined PayPal after over four years on the 'Bay with very> very few problems.I'm into my second Paypal transaction and I having trouble> already. GRRRRR! I had to open a special bank account for the damnable> thing.> The E-Bay rep. I spoke with last week informed me the change is supposed to> make E-Bay safer and troubel free. He claimed nearly all the> payment/damaged-not as described disputed arose from money order, check or> cash transactions. I was calling to complain about a seller who will not> refund my money for a broken record so he tried to use my complaint to> convince me of the benefits of the change rather than help me with my issue.> (Which is still unresolved!, I'd love to give you all the name of the seller> in question...)> I think everyone who uses E-Bay should call or e-mail them to tell them> they need to retain the non-electronic option, even if you don't use it,> options are a good thing. ;-)> > > Regards,> > John B.> > > > >> >> _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sat Sep 13 17:26:26 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb at wmconnect.com) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:26:26 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks Message-ID: I just don't understand for the life of me why no one has been able to challenge ebay by establishing a new on line auction. Every successful business in the world has been challenged. Examples are: Ford Coca Cola General Electric K-Mart The list goes on and on. It truly amazes me that ebay is still the one and only on line auction that just continues to monopolize on line auction world. For this reason, they are big enough to continue to go up on rates, tell YOU the SELLER how you will get paid, and YOU the BUYER how you will pay. Most businesses in our country that continue to forget the patrons that made them who they are in the first place at some point in time begin to lose steam. I am still waiting for the time that a new company comes up and over takes ebay. As a 12+ year member of the ebay community as a seller and buyer (100% feedback), I have decided to boycott the auction company. I am doing my part to stop supporting a company that tells me how I will do business. I feel that if enough people do this, ebay will get the message. It's one thing to cry and 'belly ache' about how you are treated in the business world, but another thing to say, "I am not only going to complain, but I AM GOING TO STOP SUPPORTING THE BUSINESS." When we all do that, the business will get the message. It's like our local gas stations here in town. When they saw an opportunity to put the screws on us by selling us gas that they bought last week at a $1.00 more a gallon (from $3.57 Friday to $4.57 today Saturday) due to the hurricane threat, I made the decision to stay home all weekend. It appears that many of my community neighbors have also done the same as word is these stations have done very little business. Instead of running on gas this weekend, I am running on the energy of my 100+ year old Victor springs and enjoying every minute. Billy Murray and Ada Jones have never sounded better, and to think...the entertainment and energy to produce it is free!! It's all about the mighty dollar my friends! You take care and keep the speed limit at 78...rpms that is! And yes, thank you Billy and Ada for continuing to entertain us, and for putting smiles on our faces! Brantley South Carolina From cdh041 at earthlink.net Sat Sep 13 18:04:39 2008 From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:04:39 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks Message-ID: <410-2200890141439906@earthlink.net> This is solid philosophy. But, eBay has been so lucrative for so many sellers, they won't be able to put a muzzle on their hunger for profit. It'll be hard to get most of those characters to slow down or back off supporting eBay. I hope I'm wrong, but......... > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 9/13/2008 8:25:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks > > I just don't understand for the life of me why no one has been able to > challenge ebay by establishing a new on line auction. Every successful business in > the world has been challenged. Examples are: > > Ford > Coca Cola > General Electric > K-Mart > > The list goes on and on. It truly amazes me that ebay is still the one and > only on line auction that just continues to monopolize on line auction world. > For this reason, they are big enough to continue to go up on rates, tell YOU > the SELLER how you will get paid, and YOU the BUYER how you will pay. > > Most businesses in our country that continue to forget the patrons that made > them who they are in the first place at some point in time begin to lose > steam. I am still waiting for the time that a new company comes up and over takes > ebay. > > As a 12+ year member of the ebay community as a seller and buyer (100% > feedback), I have decided to boycott the auction company. I am doing my part to > stop supporting a company that tells me how I will do business. I feel that if > enough people do this, ebay will get the message. > > It's one thing to cry and 'belly ache' about how you are treated in the > business world, but another thing to say, "I am not only going to complain, but I > AM GOING TO STOP SUPPORTING THE BUSINESS." > > When we all do that, the business will get the message. > > It's like our local gas stations here in town. When they saw an opportunity > to put the screws on us by selling us gas that they bought last week at a > $1.00 more a gallon (from $3.57 Friday to $4.57 today Saturday) due to the > hurricane threat, I made the decision to stay home all weekend. It appears that many > of my community neighbors have also done the same as word is these stations > have done very little business. > > Instead of running on gas this weekend, I am running on the energy of my 100+ > year old Victor springs and enjoying every minute. Billy Murray and Ada > Jones have never sounded better, and to think...the entertainment and energy to > produce it is free!! > > It's all about the mighty dollar my friends! You take care and keep the > speed limit at 78...rpms that is! > > And yes, thank you Billy and Ada for continuing to entertain us, and for > putting smiles on our faces! > > Brantley > South Carolina > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jnichol at fuse.net Sat Sep 13 19:11:52 2008 From: jnichol at fuse.net (Jim Nichol) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:11:52 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's obvious why eBay can't be challenged. They have all the bidders. What sane seller would offer an item on some no-name service that that has only a few hundred bidders at best, compared to many millions on eBay? I can see no way that eBay can be replaced, whether that's good or bad for us. Your comparisons to Ford, etc., don't apply at all in this case. They're selling products, not auctioning stuff. Jim On Sep 13, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Kuglarb at wmconnect.com wrote: > I just don't understand for the life of me why no one has been able to > challenge ebay by establishing a new on line auction. Every > successful business in > the world has been challenged. Examples are: > > Ford > Coca Cola > General Electric > K-Mart > > The list goes on and on. It truly amazes me that ebay is still the > one and > only on line auction that just continues to monopolize on line > auction world. > For this reason, they are big enough to continue to go up on rates, > tell YOU > the SELLER how you will get paid, and YOU the BUYER how you will pay. > > Most businesses in our country that continue to forget the patrons > that made > them who they are in the first place at some point in time begin to > lose > steam. I am still waiting for the time that a new company comes up > and over takes > ebay. > > As a 12+ year member of the ebay community as a seller and buyer (100% > feedback), I have decided to boycott the auction company. I am > doing my part to > stop supporting a company that tells me how I will do business. I > feel that if > enough people do this, ebay will get the message. > > It's one thing to cry and 'belly ache' about how you are treated in > the > business world, but another thing to say, "I am not only going to > complain, but I > AM GOING TO STOP SUPPORTING THE BUSINESS." > > When we all do that, the business will get the message. > > It's like our local gas stations here in town. When they saw an > opportunity > to put the screws on us by selling us gas that they bought last week > at a > $1.00 more a gallon (from $3.57 Friday to $4.57 today Saturday) due > to the > hurricane threat, I made the decision to stay home all weekend. It > appears that many > of my community neighbors have also done the same as word is these > stations > have done very little business. > > Instead of running on gas this weekend, I am running on the energy > of my 100+ > year old Victor springs and enjoying every minute. Billy Murray and > Ada > Jones have never sounded better, and to think...the entertainment > and energy to > produce it is free!! > > It's all about the mighty dollar my friends! You take care and keep > the > speed limit at 78...rpms that is! > > And yes, thank you Billy and Ada for continuing to entertain us, and > for > putting smiles on our faces! > > Brantley > South Carolina > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Sat Sep 13 19:23:17 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:23:17 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: EBay has no competition. Until it hits them in the profit they don't care. The want to move to fixed auctions like amazon.com. Steve > From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:26:26 -0400> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks> > I just don't understand for the life of me why no one has been able to > challenge ebay by establishing a new on line auction. Every successful business in > the world has been challenged. Examples are:> > Ford> Coca Cola> General Electric> K-Mart> > The list goes on and on. It truly amazes me that ebay is still the one and > only on line auction that just continues to monopolize on line auction world. > For this reason, they are big enough to continue to go up on rates, tell YOU > the SELLER how you will get paid, and YOU the BUYER how you will pay. > > Most businesses in our country that continue to forget the patrons that made > them who they are in the first place at some point in time begin to lose > steam. I am still waiting for the time that a new company comes up and over takes > ebay. > > As a 12+ year member of the ebay community as a seller and buyer (100% > feedback), I have decided to boycott the auction company. I am doing my part to > stop supporting a company that tells me how I will do business. I feel that if > enough people do this, ebay will get the message. > > It's one thing to cry and 'belly ache' about how you are treated in the > business world, but another thing to say, "I am not only going to complain, but I > AM GOING TO STOP SUPPORTING THE BUSINESS."> > When we all do that, the business will get the message. > > It's like our local gas stations here in town. When they saw an opportunity > to put the screws on us by selling us gas that they bought last week at a > $1.00 more a gallon (from $3.57 Friday to $4.57 today Saturday) due to the > hurricane threat, I made the decision to stay home all weekend. It appears that many > of my community neighbors have also done the same as word is these stations > have done very little business.> > Instead of running on gas this weekend, I am running on the energy of my 100+ > year old Victor springs and enjoying every minute. Billy Murray and Ada > Jones have never sounded better, and to think...the entertainment and energy to > produce it is free!!> > It's all about the mighty dollar my friends! You take care and keep the > speed limit at 78...rpms that is!> > And yes, thank you Billy and Ada for continuing to entertain us, and for > putting smiles on our faces!> > Brantley> South Carolina> > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Sat Sep 13 23:26:52 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <620096.51940.qm@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It isn't the only one. There are/were Yahoo Auctions and a few others, but I think eBay has either absorbed them or put them out of business. John --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Kuglarb at wmconnect.com wrote: From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] More Ebay Pranks To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 5:26 PM I just don't understand for the life of me why no one has been able to challenge ebay by establishing a new on line auction. Every successful business in the world has been challenged. Examples are: Ford Coca Cola General Electric K-Mart The list goes on and on. It truly amazes me that ebay is still the one and only on line auction that just continues to monopolize on line auction world. For this reason, they are big enough to continue to go up on rates, tell YOU the SELLER how you will get paid, and YOU the BUYER how you will pay. Most businesses in our country that continue to forget the patrons that made them who they are in the first place at some point in time begin to lose steam. I am still waiting for the time that a new company comes up and over takes ebay. As a 12+ year member of the ebay community as a seller and buyer (100% feedback), I have decided to boycott the auction company. I am doing my part to stop supporting a company that tells me how I will do business. I feel that if enough people do this, ebay will get the message. It's one thing to cry and 'belly ache' about how you are treated in the business world, but another thing to say, "I am not only going to complain, but I AM GOING TO STOP SUPPORTING THE BUSINESS." When we all do that, the business will get the message. It's like our local gas stations here in town. When they saw an opportunity to put the screws on us by selling us gas that they bought last week at a $1.00 more a gallon (from $3.57 Friday to $4.57 today Saturday) due to the hurricane threat, I made the decision to stay home all weekend. It appears that many of my community neighbors have also done the same as word is these stations have done very little business. Instead of running on gas this weekend, I am running on the energy of my 100+ year old Victor springs and enjoying every minute. Billy Murray and Ada Jones have never sounded better, and to think...the entertainment and energy to produce it is free!! It's all about the mighty dollar my friends! You take care and keep the speed limit at 78...rpms that is! And yes, thank you Billy and Ada for continuing to entertain us, and for putting smiles on our faces! Brantley South Carolina _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From KEEPERH2O at aol.com Sun Sep 14 01:48:31 2008 From: KEEPERH2O at aol.com (KEEPERH2O at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 04:48:31 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] No More Ebay Pranks Message-ID: In a message dated 9/13/2008 5:26:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Kuglarb at wmconnect.com writes: I just don't understand for the life of me why no one has been able to challenge ebay by establishing a new on line auction. Every successful business in the world has been challenged. Examples are: Ford Coca Cola General Electric K-Mart The list goes on and on. It truly amazes me that ebay is still the one and only on line auction that just continues to monopolize on line auction world. For this reason, they are big enough to continue to go up on rates, tell YOU the SELLER how you will get paid, and YOU the BUYER how you will pay. Most businesses in our country that continue to forget the patrons that made them who they are in the first place at some point in time begin to lose steam. I am still waiting for the time that a new company comes up and over takes ebay. As a 12+ year member of the ebay community as a seller and buyer (100% feedback), I have decided to boycott the auction company. I am doing my part to stop supporting a company that tells me how I will do business. I feel that if enough people do this, ebay will get the message. It's one thing to cry and 'belly ache' about how you are treated in the business world, but another thing to say, "I am not only going to complain, but I AM GOING TO STOP SUPPORTING THE BUSINESS." When we all do that, the business will get the message. It's like our local gas stations here in town. When they saw an opportunity to put the screws on us by selling us gas that they bought last week at a $1.00 more a gallon (from $3.57 Friday to $4.57 today Saturday) due to the hurricane threat, I made the decision to stay home all weekend. It appears that many of my community neighbors have also done the same as word is these stations have done very little business. Instead of running on gas this weekend, I am running on the energy of my 100+ year old Victor springs and enjoying every minute. Billy Murray and Ada Jones have never sounded better, and to think...the entertainment and energy to produce it is free!! It's all about the mighty dollar my friends! You take care and keep the speed limit at 78...rpms that is! And yes, thank you Billy and Ada for continuing to entertain us, and for putting smiles on our faces! Brantley South Carolina Well said, Brantly. I'm offa e-bay, too. Craigslist is pretty good. Keep it local or among ourselves. My two needles worth, : ) Edward, in Zigzag **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Sun Sep 14 05:43:00 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb at wmconnect.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:43:00 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] No More Ebay Pranks Message-ID: In a message dated 9/14/2008 6:13:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KEEPERH2O at aol.com writes: > Ed, Thanks! I am glad that you got the point. Brantley From tscottlewis at yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 12:33:45 2008 From: tscottlewis at yahoo.com (TERRY LEWIS) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] victor 26 Message-ID: <21379.15713.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> There is a victor XX-VI advertized locally. As I'm to lazy to go look, can anyone tell me what it is? I can't find it in any of my reference books! Thanks, Terry From citypointsb at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 12:47:36 2008 From: citypointsb at gmail.com (J.F. Bennett) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:47:36 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 251 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c7aed050809141247n4aad402exdaf3a8db61333865@mail.gmail.com> Gents, Firstly sorry about the typo-in my posting it should have read NON-payment. I'm sure you all knew what I meant. Good point all-the IRS is, I'm sure going to take full advantage of this change. Although bear in mind that money orders and checks leave trails too. This will just make it a bit easier I'd imagine. E-Bay isn't the only game in town, it is however the biggest by a mile. A friend of mine just quite E-Bay due to their heavy-handed actions. He made a typo on the shipping charges of an item and rather than contact him they simply pulled the auction. He joined eBid: http://us.ebid.net/ He seems happy for now, but I looked in and found a grand total of three 78s! Maybe in time. Craigs List is good too but I have had the best luck record-wise on E-Bay and I don't see any alternative for me. I don't drive so I can't do the flea markets and yard sales &c. and even with Craigs list most things generally are pick-up rather than mail. Brantley, I know what you are saying and I agree with you in the main, but a boycott will not work, for every one person that leaves one or two will up their bidding because the competition lessens and the prices drop which makes E-Bay more appealing and then someone else joins and negates the first person leaving. E-Bay doesn't care who's bidding and selling as long as someone is. They really don't care if they have a huge turnover. That's why I think the idea of a flood of complaints might have an impact. It doesn't even have to be a majority, just enough to make them take notice. The squeaky wheel principle, it has been known to work. Let's all take a step towards what Brantley opines; everyone here who uses E-Bay-at least join ebid just as an example and tell your friends in the hobby, if sellers know there are buyers there they will list there, who in their right mind would ignore a potential market? I haven't joined yet but I think I will look into the details tonight and if anyone's interested I'll report back. Regards, John B. P.S. Also I plan on reporting my complaints about Paypal to them as well as parent E-Bay. we've got to let them know if we have complaints-they haven't hired Dionne Warwick yet, as far as I know. ;-) From john9ten at pacbell.net Sun Sep 14 12:52:31 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] victor 26 In-Reply-To: <21379.15713.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <110324.82943.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am pretty sure it is a VV-VI, which would be a Victrola VI. As far as I know there was never a Victor machine which started with XX. Probably a typo or the seller can't read it correctly. --- On Sun, 9/14/08, TERRY LEWIS wrote: From: TERRY LEWIS Subject: [Phono-L] victor 26 To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 12:33 PM There is a victor XX-VI advertized locally. As I'm to lazy to go look, can anyone tell me what it is? I can't find it in any of my reference books! Thanks, Terry _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rvuill at comcast.net Sun Sep 14 13:23:59 2008 From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:23:59 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 251 References: <3c7aed050809141247n4aad402exdaf3a8db61333865@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6F9CD063B37C4CC89BF82D7DDE895D89@your4dacd0ea75> John, They really don't care. I sent the following after I heard about this and never got a reply. Dear eBay, I just wanted to tell you what I think of your new fee structure, particularly the part about eliminating payments by checks or money orders. I think you are a bunch of thieves and you have sunken to a new low. You conveniently neglect mentioning that most of us will now have to accept paypal and you will double what you make on all these auctions. Also you will make an additional 2 % on the shipping too. I think if you want to have this policy, you should allow the sellers to charge the buyers for the service. If they don't want to pay, they don't have to bid or they can adjust their bid accordingly You shouldn't care where you get your pound of flesh. I think you people have lost sight of what you are- a virtual company. You don't have factories, stores or inventory. All you have is sellers with these things working for you. You should do everything in your power to keep them happy. Originally you did. Now you treat them with no respect. You must think they are all idiots. If you think the changes you made last winter caused a lot of controversy, just wait until this change sinks in with the small sellers. You don't seem to realize that the competition for your business is growing. If you keep this up your profits may increase in the short run but eventually it will catch up with you and some smart entrepreneur will gobble you up. I know you will probably not respond to this note but when you get enough of them you may realize you have made a mistake. Robert Vuillemenot ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.F. Bennett" To: Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 251 > Gents, > > Firstly sorry about the typo-in my posting it should have read > NON-payment. > I'm sure you all knew what I meant. Good point all-the IRS is, I'm sure > going to take full advantage of this change. Although bear in mind that > money orders and checks leave trails too. This will just make it a bit > easier I'd imagine. E-Bay isn't the only game in town, it is however the > biggest by a mile. A friend of mine just quite E-Bay due to their > heavy-handed actions. He made a typo on the shipping charges of an item > and > rather than contact him they simply pulled the auction. He joined eBid: > http://us.ebid.net/ He seems happy for now, but I looked in and found a > grand total of three 78s! Maybe in time. Craigs List is good too but I > have > had the best luck record-wise on E-Bay and I don't see any alternative for > me. I don't drive so I can't do the flea markets and yard sales &c. and > even > with Craigs list most things generally are pick-up rather than mail. > Brantley, I know what you are saying and I agree with you in the main, > but a boycott will not work, for every one person that leaves one or two > will up their bidding because the competition lessens and the prices drop > which makes E-Bay more appealing and then someone else joins and negates > the > first person leaving. E-Bay doesn't care who's bidding and selling as long > as someone is. They really don't care if they have a huge turnover. That's > why I think the idea of a flood of complaints might have an impact. It > doesn't even have to be a majority, just enough to make them take notice. > The squeaky wheel principle, it has been known to work. Let's all take a > step towards what Brantley opines; everyone here who uses E-Bay-at least > join ebid just as an example and tell your friends in the hobby, if > sellers > know there are buyers there they will list there, who in their right mind > would ignore a potential market? I haven't joined yet but I think I will > look into the details tonight and if anyone's interested I'll report back. > > Regards, > John B. > > P.S. Also I plan on reporting my complaints about Paypal to them as well > as > parent E-Bay. we've got to let them know if we have complaints-they > haven't > hired Dionne Warwick yet, as far as I know. ;-) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 9/14/2008 7:16 AM From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Sun Sep 14 13:45:25 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:45:25 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] COLOMBIA BGT Message-ID: HI ALL THERE IS A GREAT BGT ON EBAY BEING SOLD BY FIREBOTTLES someone ask where to find one and i cant remember who sent me the email enjoy ebay number 190248713824 **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Sun Sep 14 13:48:22 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:48:22 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] bg not a bgt Message-ID: hi all sorry **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From cdh041 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 14 14:16:02 2008 From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:16:02 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 251 Message-ID: <410-22008901421162656@earthlink.net> This whole thing has been very interesting. It's the classical behaviour of a giant that grew up too fast. eBay has become a gigantic monopoly that will be feeding on itself. If they continue on this course, it could be the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm sure that they have a corps of bookkepers that are feeding a never ending flow of ideas to fine tune their system. eBay is indeed, a profit engine. Already said above, they are a business that has no inventory, and that makes its money on the sellers that they serve as agents.It's a parasite that has found ways to get its customers into a compromising condition, and it is moving in for a kill. The only boycott that ever could be used on them will be a discontinuation of bidding, and that isn't a thing that would work strongly, if at all. The sellers won't back off, as long as there are buyers. Those of us who are buyers would need to move against eBay as a body, and cause a significant decline in their busines, and that isn't a practical strategy. eBay would have to recognize the impact of an organized boycott, and they know it'll never happen. There will have to be another avenue to use to replace eBay. Should this happen, and eBay sees its revenues diminishing, possibly, it will sober up, and try to go back and rebuild the operation that made it the roaring success that it was, prior to the greed syndrome.If this would happen, they'll find that there will not be anything to go back to. I know of a (former) giant corporation that has had cost cutters grind it down to a mere shadow of itself, and is still having the cost cutters shaving off a little more all the time. It's like sharpening a pencil more and more, 'til there's nothing left. They've been in a downward spiral, and are too dumb to even recognize it. > [Original Message] > From: Bob > To: Antique Phonograph List > Date: 9/14/2008 4:24:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 251 > > John, > They really don't care. I sent the following after I heard about this > and never got a reply. > > Dear eBay, > I just wanted to tell you what I think of your new fee structure, > particularly the part about eliminating payments by checks or money orders. > I think you are a bunch of thieves and you have sunken to a new low. You > conveniently neglect mentioning that most of us will now have to accept > paypal and you will double what you make on all these auctions. Also you > will make an additional 2 % on the shipping too. I think if you want to > have this policy, you should allow the sellers to charge the buyers for the > service. If they don't want to pay, they don't have to bid or they can > adjust their bid accordingly You shouldn't care where you get your pound > of flesh. > I think you people have lost sight of what you are- a virtual company. > You don't have factories, stores or inventory. All you have is sellers with > these things working for you. You should do everything in your power to > keep them happy. Originally you did. Now you treat them with no respect. > You must think they are all idiots. If you think the changes you made last > winter caused a lot of controversy, just wait until this change sinks in > with the small sellers. You don't seem to realize that the competition for > your business is growing. If you keep this up your profits may increase in > the short run but eventually it will catch up with you and some smart > entrepreneur will gobble you up. > I know you will probably not respond to this note but when you get > enough of them you may realize you have made a mistake. > Robert Vuillemenot > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J.F. Bennett" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 251 > > > > Gents, > > > > Firstly sorry about the typo-in my posting it should have read > > NON-payment. > > I'm sure you all knew what I meant. Good point all-the IRS is, I'm sure > > going to take full advantage of this change. Although bear in mind that > > money orders and checks leave trails too. This will just make it a bit > > easier I'd imagine. E-Bay isn't the only game in town, it is however the > > biggest by a mile. A friend of mine just quite E-Bay due to their > > heavy-handed actions. He made a typo on the shipping charges of an item > > and > > rather than contact him they simply pulled the auction. He joined eBid: > > http://us.ebid.net/ He seems happy for now, but I looked in and found a > > grand total of three 78s! Maybe in time. Craigs List is good too but I > > have > > had the best luck record-wise on E-Bay and I don't see any alternative for > > me. I don't drive so I can't do the flea markets and yard sales &c. and > > even > > with Craigs list most things generally are pick-up rather than mail. > > Brantley, I know what you are saying and I agree with you in the main, > > but a boycott will not work, for every one person that leaves one or two > > will up their bidding because the competition lessens and the prices drop > > which makes E-Bay more appealing and then someone else joins and negates > > the > > first person leaving. E-Bay doesn't care who's bidding and selling as long > > as someone is. They really don't care if they have a huge turnover. That's > > why I think the idea of a flood of complaints might have an impact. It > > doesn't even have to be a majority, just enough to make them take notice. > > The squeaky wheel principle, it has been known to work. Let's all take a > > step towards what Brantley opines; everyone here who uses E-Bay-at least > > join ebid just as an example and tell your friends in the hobby, if > > sellers > > know there are buyers there they will list there, who in their right mind > > would ignore a potential market? I haven't joined yet but I think I will > > look into the details tonight and if anyone's interested I'll report back. > > > > Regards, > > John B. > > > > P.S. Also I plan on reporting my complaints about Paypal to them as well > > as > > parent E-Bay. we've got to let them know if we have complaints-they > > haven't > > hired Dionne Warwick yet, as far as I know. ;-) > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 9/14/2008 > 7:16 AM > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Sun Sep 14 15:12:14 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:12:14 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] victor 26 In-Reply-To: <110324.82943.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <21379.15713.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <110324.82943.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The school model was the Victor XXV until the type M when it became the Victrola XXV per the VDB. It could be a XVI call them and let us know. Steve > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:52:31 -0700> From: john9ten at pacbell.net> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] victor 26> > I am pretty sure it is a VV-VI, which would be a Victrola VI. As far as I know there was never a Victor machine which started with XX. Probably a typo or the seller can't read it correctly.> > --- On Sun, 9/14/08, TERRY LEWIS wrote:> > From: TERRY LEWIS > Subject: [Phono-L] victor 26> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 12:33 PM> > There is a victor XX-VI advertized locally. As I'm to> lazy to go look, can anyone tell me what it is? I> can't find it in any of my reference books! Thanks, Terry> > > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From phono-l at cylinder.de Mon Sep 15 00:37:36 2008 From: phono-l at cylinder.de (Norman Bruderhofer) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:37:36 +0200 Subject: [Phono-L] No More Ebay Pranks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080915073801.B6A1A2203D8@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> The arguments against ebay are very reasonable. They have grown to a monster that will eat anyone around. But honestly, as a collector in Europe, what should I do? There are no other -global- auction or market places around to reach people and to find stuff I am collecting. Of course, I am addicted to them and would welcome a true competitor but there is no alternative platform around I know that offers worldwide access and reaches the poeple.Craigslist is nice but was always made to support local business - that is not option for me. A boycott would mean to virtually stop collecting, except for my few US vacations while other (local) collectors would be feasting 24/7. At this time, there is no alternative for me. However yes, ebay sucks. I see the severe problems via ebay but as long no international alternative supplier comes around, eBay will liekly keep its position. Norman ps.: ebay owns about 25% of Craiglist. At 02:26 14.09.2008, you wrote: >I just don't understand for the life of me why no one has been able to >challenge ebay by establishing a new on line auction. Every >successful business in >the world has been challenged. Examples are: > >Ford >Coca Cola >General Electric >K-Mart > >The list goes on and on. It truly amazes me that ebay is still the one and >only on line auction that just continues to monopolize on line >auction world. >For this reason, they are big enough to continue to go up on rates, tell YOU >the SELLER how you will get paid, and YOU the BUYER how you will pay. > >Most businesses in our country that continue to forget the patrons that made >them who they are in the first place at some point in time begin to lose >steam. I am still waiting for the time that a new company comes up >and over takes >ebay. > >As a 12+ year member of the ebay community as a seller and buyer (100% >feedback), I have decided to boycott the auction company. I am >doing my part to >stop supporting a company that tells me how I will do business. I >feel that if >enough people do this, ebay will get the message. > >It's one thing to cry and 'belly ache' about how you are treated in the >business world, but another thing to say, "I am not only going to >complain, but I >AM GOING TO STOP SUPPORTING THE BUSINESS." > >When we all do that, the business will get the message. > >It's like our local gas stations here in town. When they saw an opportunity >to put the screws on us by selling us gas that they bought last week at a >$1.00 more a gallon (from $3.57 Friday to $4.57 today Saturday) due to the >hurricane threat, I made the decision to stay home all weekend. It >appears that many >of my community neighbors have also done the same as word is these stations >have done very little business. > >Instead of running on gas this weekend, I am running on the energy of my 100+ >year old Victor springs and enjoying every minute. Billy Murray and Ada >Jones have never sounded better, and to think...the entertainment >and energy to >produce it is free!! > >It's all about the mighty dollar my friends! You take care and keep the >speed limit at 78...rpms that is! > >And yes, thank you Billy and Ada for continuing to entertain us, and for >putting smiles on our faces! > >Brantley >South Carolina > > >_______________________________________________ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Phonophan at aol.com Mon Sep 15 03:13:53 2008 From: Phonophan at aol.com (Phonophan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:13:53 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] No More Ebay Pranks Message-ID: I've read everyone's comments on eBay with great interest. Personally, I've never liked it, and I like it even less now, if that is possible. Any organization that makes it so easy for scoundrels to flourish is bad, in my opinion. Furthermore, eBay has turned into a monolith, like the Phone Company used to be back before the days of deregulation. They have contrived it so that you MUST deal with them, and you MUST do precisely what they say -- OR ELSE! Most Americans, in particular, who have a strong sense of "rugged individualism," would rankle at being bossed around by pencil-necked geeks. For my part, I maintain my phonophan.com Web site as a tiny alternative to buying machines on eBay. Yet, we need to recall that antiques are only a portion of what eBay does. Chances are, even if every antique person defected, the enormity of all eBay's OTHER business would keep it going indefinitely. I'm not saying people shouldn't follow their consciences and boycott if they feel strongly, but eBay is a Frankenstein's Cat with a lot of lives. Cheers, to all, Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com In a message dated 9/15/2008 4:11:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, phono-l at cylinder.de writes: The arguments against ebay are very reasonable. They have grown to a monster that will eat anyone around. But honestly, as a collector in Europe, what should I do? There are no other -global- auction or market places around to reach people and to find stuff I am collecting. Of course, I am addicted to them and would welcome a true competitor but there is no alternative platform around I know that offers worldwide access and reaches the poeple.Craigslist is nice but was always made to support local business - that is not option for me. A boycott would mean to virtually stop collecting, except for my few US vacations while other (local) collectors would be feasting 24/7. At this time, there is no alternative for me. However yes, ebay sucks. I see the severe problems via ebay but as long no international alternative supplier comes around, eBay will liekly keep its position. Norman ps.: ebay owns about 25% of Craiglist. At 02:26 14.09.2008, you wrote: >I just don't understand for the life of me why no one has been able to >challenge ebay by establishing a new on line auction. Every >successful business in >the world has been challenged. Examples are: > >Ford >Coca Cola >General Electric >K-Mart > >The list goes on and on. It truly amazes me that ebay is still the one and >only on line auction that just continues to monopolize on line >auction world. >For this reason, they are big enough to continue to go up on rates, tell YOU >the SELLER how you will get paid, and YOU the BUYER how you will pay. > >Most businesses in our country that continue to forget the patrons that made >them who they are in the first place at some point in time begin to lose >steam. I am still waiting for the time that a new company comes up >and over takes >ebay. > >As a 12+ year member of the ebay community as a seller and buyer (100% >feedback), I have decided to boycott the auction company. I am >doing my part to >stop supporting a company that tells me how I will do business. I >feel that if >enough people do this, ebay will get the message. > >It's one thing to cry and 'belly ache' about how you are treated in the >business world, but another thing to say, "I am not only going to >complain, but I >AM GOING TO STOP SUPPORTING THE BUSINESS." > >When we all do that, the business will get the message. > >It's like our local gas stations here in town. When they saw an opportunity >to put the screws on us by selling us gas that they bought last week at a >$1.00 more a gallon (from $3.57 Friday to $4.57 today Saturday) due to the >hurricane threat, I made the decision to stay home all weekend. It >appears that many >of my community neighbors have also done the same as word is these stations >have done very little business. > >Instead of running on gas this weekend, I am running on the energy of my 100+ >year old Victor springs and enjoying every minute. Billy Murray and Ada >Jones have never sounded better, and to think...the entertainment >and energy to >produce it is free!! > >It's all about the mighty dollar my friends! You take care and keep the >speed limit at 78...rpms that is! > >And yes, thank you Billy and Ada for continuing to entertain us, and for >putting smiles on our faces! > >Brantley >South Carolina > > >_______________________________________________ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com Mon Sep 15 11:39:44 2008 From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:39:44 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] No More Ebay Pranks Message-ID: As collectors, it is true that we have made ourselves dependent on ebay. How much of this is just a habit? I have to say, without ebay, I would not have met the many friends that I have in this hobby. In fact, one of my best friends in this habit, I mean hobby, of phonograph collecting I met on ebay about four years ago. I bought a Victor II from him. I picked it up from his home and have visited with him on several occasions. He has been very helpful to me as he is very knowledgeable in phonographs and has repaired several of my machines. To say ebay has been all bad would not be fair. However, ebay is an example of a very humble source that starts out big by being a great venue and a great value to the customer. Then, after success, greediness sets in and there is no consideration for the ones that made them who they are. I hate to say it, but this has become the American way. It all revolves around that thing called MONEY! My land, when do people or businesses say...enough is enough. I mean one can only spend so much money in a life time. It is like the greedy baseball player that feels like 55 million is not enough. Well, since it isn't, let's charge the fans a fortune for a ticket and make that fan mortgage the house for a hot-dog. As I stated in an earlier message, I have begun my boycott of ebay. I will rely on the friends that I have made, and the shows in my area to add to my collections. Not only will I not use ebay, but I will see exactly what I am buying and will see the person from whom I am buying from. You know something, it is much more fun that way! It is a fact that ebay will continue to thrive, and we, the collector and hobbyist will have to pay the price if we continue to support ebay. As my late grandfather used to say..."Every Dog Has His Day." Ebay may be on top of the world today...but nothing lasts forever on this great earth of ours. No one is the 'Big Cheese' forever. There will be a new kid on the block, just wait and see. You are a great bunch. I enjoy this thread very much! Keep 'em spinning at 78!! Brantley From edisonphonoworks at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 12:20:21 2008 From: edisonphonoworks at hotmail.com (Thomas Edison) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:20:21 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph Model F for sale Message-ID: I am taking offers on a Triumph model F, in Opera style case. Let mebe honest this was a basket case machine, and needs cabinet work onthe hinges. The motor has new springs, and bull gear, it needs theproper long on and off lever, an original aduster for the tension. itis sans reproducer and horn. It will need a lid and nickel plating.Here are some links to photos of the machine. It does work finethough, and plays well. there are probably less Triumph Fs around than Operas it was available at the same time the Opera was and sopeople would have opted out and spent the 90.00 for the Opera,instead of the $75.00 for the Triumph. It has been refinished byme probably 8 years ago.http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2101.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2102.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2103.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2105-1.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2105.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2109.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2100.jpg http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2097.jpg http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2112.jpg _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ From abefeder1 at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 14:14:43 2008 From: abefeder1 at gmail.com (Abe Feder) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:14:43 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph Model F for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4e885f140809151414s41e4f8ddu58c129d366c76bc3@mail.gmail.com> Hi only 2 pictures come up -can you send to -abefeder1 at gmail.com-thx Abe Feder On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Thomas Edison < edisonphonoworks at hotmail.com> wrote: > I am taking offers on a Triumph model F, in Opera style case. Let mebe > honest this was a basket case machine, and needs cabinet work onthe hinges. > The motor has new springs, and bull gear, it needs theproper long on and off > lever, an original aduster for the tension. itis sans reproducer and horn. > It will need a lid and nickel plating.Here are some links to photos of the > machine. It does work finethough, and plays well. there are probably less > Triumph Fs around than Operas > it was available at the same time the Opera was and sopeople would have > opted out and spent the 90.00 for the Opera,instead of the $75.00 for the > Triumph. It has been refinished byme probably 8 years ago. > http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2101.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2102.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2103.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2105-1.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2105.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2109.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2100.jpg > > http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2097.jpg > > http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2112.jpg > > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of > your life. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From citypointsb at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 15:56:52 2008 From: citypointsb at gmail.com (J.F. Bennett) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:56:52 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono-L No More E-Bay Pranks Message-ID: <3c7aed050809151556y7321670ft4c8817003fd3c722@mail.gmail.com> Gents, Bob, you're right E-bay doesn't care about you...or me or Tom, Dick or Harry, but they do care about all of us together. That's the only way to make a difference-a large (and noisy enough block of buyers and sellers need to make their feelings known. Yes they have gotten to big and complacent. I agree with Douglas-it's the middle management bookkeeper types who are trying to squeeze every penny out the clientele. That seems to be S.O.P. these days. They seem to have forgotten lower price per unit means more units sold, means more profit! Yes the buyers are the key, we need to at least begin looking for options, the sellers will follow. The antique hobbies are now a smaller part of E-Bay than they once were. They know that too, just look at their advertising. That could be an opportunity for us. But Tim you can't compare them to the old Ma Bell, The old Telephone Company provided us with the best telephone service in the world. So if we phono-nuts all leave and find a new viable option and E-Bay stays the same-so what, good for them! We at least won't need to deal with them. Norman, I'm with you, I don't really have to many other options myself. Without E-Bay I wouldn't have one tenth of what I have phonographic-wise without it. I couldn't do without as things stand right now. Brantley, I too have met some very good people through E-Bay so it's not all bad, if it was I'd be gone, but it's up to the clientele to force the issue. To paraphrase-We get the E-bay we deserve.... Regards, John B. From hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com Mon Sep 15 16:52:01 2008 From: hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com (Hawthorn's Antique Audio) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:52:01 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Commercial reminder - record list closing in 10 days Message-ID: <014001c9178e$0c3059e0$6601a8c0@Tom> Hi Everyone, Just a reminder to those of you who have received my current record auction 124 (Summer Musical Madness) and are thinking about bidding - closing date is Sept. 26, just 10 days away. Don't miss out on the goodies you want! Tom Hawthorn Hawthorn's Antique Audio www.thoseoldrecords.com hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com From vtm12 at comcast.net Mon Sep 15 17:16:24 2008 From: vtm12 at comcast.net (Vince C.) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:16:24 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Items For Sale References: <3c7aed050809151556y7321670ft4c8817003fd3c722@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7BBF4B8670CA48828CB9D60AFD9014C9@DG86T661> Hello All, I have the following for sale: A super nice original finish Columbia Deluxe. I am asking $8k, but willing to talk as I am not sure of current market prices for these machines. Also for sale are 3 record store advertising signs. Two Okeh Christmas and one Edison, as well as a Victor Trolley sign. The store advertising signs are already framed. The price for these is $375 each. Here is a link to see the lot. There is a good UPS Store close I can take them too, but buyer pays shipping. http://home.comcast.net/~vtm12/sale/sale.html Please email me directly at vtm12 at comcast.net with a descriptive subject line so I don't miss the email if interested. Thanks, Vince From john9ten at pacbell.net Mon Sep 15 18:26:27 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Items For Sale In-Reply-To: <7BBF4B8670CA48828CB9D60AFD9014C9@DG86T661> Message-ID: <492214.83960.qm@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just last week I saw two Columbia DeLuxes at the Solvang Antique Mart in Solvang CA, which is famous for their ridiculous prices on phonographs and music boxes. However, people buy there! The prices on the DeLuxes there were about $15,000 each. They also had a Reginaphone in the Deluxe cabinet, and that was about $22,000. You can see what I mean about ridiculous. There was also a nice Victor Monarch M with oak horn for $5700, and a Victrola XI for $2300. Shocking. THere was once a Victrola VI there for $875. It isn't there any more. They do sell stuff, to the unwary, I am guessing. John Robles --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Vince C. wrote: From: Vince C. Subject: [Phono-L] Items For Sale To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 5:16 PM Hello All, I have the following for sale: A super nice original finish Columbia Deluxe. I am asking $8k, but willing to talk as I am not sure of current market prices for these machines. Also for sale are 3 record store advertising signs. Two Okeh Christmas and one Edison, as well as a Victor Trolley sign. The store advertising signs are already framed. The price for these is $375 each. Here is a link to see the lot. There is a good UPS Store close I can take them too, but buyer pays shipping. http://home.comcast.net/~vtm12/sale/sale.html Please email me directly at vtm12 at comcast.net with a descriptive subject line so I don't miss the email if interested. Thanks, Vince _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Bruce78rpm at comcast.net Wed Sep 17 08:03:45 2008 From: Bruce78rpm at comcast.net (BruceY) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:03:45 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty Message-ID: <000c01c918d6$95ad4b80$6401a8c0@user52c8f93503> http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html My goodness, what a beauty and at such a bargain price!! From kbab1 at charter.net Wed Sep 17 11:40:31 2008 From: kbab1 at charter.net (Ken and Brenda Brekke) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:40:31 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty In-Reply-To: <000c01c918d6$95ad4b80$6401a8c0@user52c8f93503> Message-ID: <20080917184037.YMBN3342.aarprv06.charter.net@your4dacd0ea75> I wonder if there are multiple pieces of this fine example of art available? They would make fabulous gifts! I wonder if this "$" symbol is intended to really mean U.S. dollars though? -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of BruceY Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:04 AM To: Phono-l at oldcrank.org Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html My goodness, what a beauty and at such a bargain price!! _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From RROCRREC at aol.com Wed Sep 17 15:22:21 2008 From: RROCRREC at aol.com (RROCRREC at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:22:21 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 254 Message-ID: In a message dated 9/17/2008 12:23:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, phono-l-request at oldcrank.org writes: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html At least you can see what is wrong if something breaks. Positive thought. Larry **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From batwings78rpm at msn.com Wed Sep 17 19:43:34 2008 From: batwings78rpm at msn.com (Douglas Curran) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:43:34 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings: A friend and collector writes the following re http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html ===================================================================== "Wow! One of the extremely rare glass-cased Disk Grapho-Claxtophones! I surely wish I lived close enough to pick it up; as you say, a bargain price. As I understand it, only 5 of these machines were manufactured in a joint venture by Claxton and Columbia for display at the 1903 World's Fair in Dubuque, Iowa (theme: "Corn: A Benefactor to Man"), where the clear case was intended to display the superioriority of a motor those two firms had developed over that employed by Victor in its top-end machines. None were thought to have survived the trip back to the Columbia factory following the exhibition, as a careless rail baggage clerk dropped the shipping case in which they had been packed, but I guess one must have after all. That is a major rarity, and I'm really excited to see it. Thanks for sharing! I hope that whoever buys it knows how to restore that case. The best bet would probably be Black Windex, which combines regular glass cleaner with rotten stone abrasive to remove the century-plus accumulation of fingerprints and grime." ===================================================================== Cheers, etc. Doug -- _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From john9ten at pacbell.net Wed Sep 17 19:51:39 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <942911.1294.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Priceless. --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Douglas Curran wrote: From: Douglas Curran Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:43 PM Greetings: A friend and collector writes the following re http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html ===================================================================== "Wow! One of the extremely rare glass-cased Disk Grapho-Claxtophones! I surely wish I lived close enough to pick it up; as you say, a bargain price. As I understand it, only 5 of these machines were manufactured in a joint venture by Claxton and Columbia for display at the 1903 World's Fair in Dubuque, Iowa (theme: "Corn: A Benefactor to Man"), where the clear case was intended to display the superioriority of a motor those two firms had developed over that employed by Victor in its top-end machines. None were thought to have survived the trip back to the Columbia factory following the exhibition, as a careless rail baggage clerk dropped the shipping case in which they had been packed, but I guess one must have after all. That is a major rarity, and I'm really excited to see it. Thanks for sharing! I hope that whoever buys it knows how to restore that case. The best bet would probably be Black Windex, which combines regular glass cleaner with rotten stone abrasive to remove the century-plus accumulation of fingerprints and grime." ===================================================================== Cheers, etc. Doug -- _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From Bruce78rpm at comcast.net Wed Sep 17 19:57:56 2008 From: Bruce78rpm at comcast.net (BruceY) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:57:56 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! References: Message-ID: <001801c9193a$5abdde40$6401a8c0@user52c8f93503> That is priceless, someone should send it to the generous seller who is listing it, so he or she can incorporate it into the description. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Curran" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! > > Greetings: > > A friend and collector writes the following re > > http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html > > ===================================================================== > > "Wow! One of the extremely rare glass-cased Disk Grapho-Claxtophones! I > surely wish I lived close enough to pick it up; as you say, a bargain > price. As I understand it, only 5 of these machines were manufactured in > a joint venture by Claxton and Columbia for display at the 1903 World's > Fair in Dubuque, Iowa (theme: "Corn: A Benefactor to Man"), where the > clear case was intended to display the superioriority of a motor those two > firms had developed over that employed by Victor in its top-end machines. > None were thought to have survived the trip back to the Columbia factory > following the exhibition, as a careless rail baggage clerk dropped the > shipping case in which they had been packed, but I guess one must have > after all. That is a major rarity, and I'm really excited to see it. > Thanks for sharing! I hope that whoever buys it knows how to restore that > case. The best bet would probably be Black Windex, which combines regular > glass cleaner with rotten stone abrasive to > remove the century-plus accumulation of fingerprints and grime." > > ===================================================================== > > Cheers, etc. > > > Doug -- > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From edisone1 at verizon.net Wed Sep 17 23:38:03 2008 From: edisone1 at verizon.net (Dan K) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:38:03 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! References: <001801c9193a$5abdde40$6401a8c0@user52c8f93503> Message-ID: Yes, but some poor soul will BELIEVE it and pay out the nose for the thing ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "BruceY" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! > That is priceless, someone should send it to the generous seller who is > listing it, so he or she can incorporate it into the description. > > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas Curran" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:43 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! > From burdettewalters at yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 13:11:04 2008 From: burdettewalters at yahoo.com (Burdette Walters) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] World's Fair in Dubuque, Iowa in 1903 Message-ID: <879810.10875.qm@web62101.mail.re1.yahoo.com> 1903 World's Fair in Dubuque, Iowa............That's a new one..........and gee, I lived in Iowa all my life.......................... Burdette E. Walters Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 254 (RROCRREC at aol.com) ? 2. What a Beauty !!!! (Douglas Curran) ? 3. Re: What a Beauty !!!! (john robles) ? 4. Re: What a Beauty !!!! (BruceY) ? 5. Re: What a Beauty !!!! (Dan K) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:22:21 EDT From: RROCRREC at aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 254 To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 9/17/2008 12:23:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, phono-l-request at oldcrank.org writes: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html At least you can see what is wrong if something breaks. Positive thought. Larry **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.? ? ? (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:43:34 -0400 From: Douglas Curran Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Greetings: A friend and collector writes the following re http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html ===================================================================== "Wow!? One of the extremely rare glass-cased Disk Grapho-Claxtophones!? I surely wish I lived close enough to pick it up; as you say, a bargain price.? As I understand it, only 5 of these machines were manufactured in a joint venture by Claxton and Columbia for display at the 1903 World's Fair in Dubuque, Iowa (theme: "Corn: A Benefactor to Man"), where the clear case was intended to display the superioriority of a motor those two firms had developed over that employed by Victor in its top-end machines.? None were thought to have survived the trip back to the Columbia factory following the exhibition, as a careless rail baggage clerk dropped the shipping case in which they had been packed, but I guess one must have after all.? That is a major rarity, and I'm really excited to see it.? Thanks for sharing!? I hope that whoever buys it knows how to restore that case.? The best bet would probably be Black Windex, which combines regular glass cleaner with rotten stone abrasive to remove the century-plus accumulation of fingerprints and grime." ===================================================================== Cheers, etc. Doug -- _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:51:39 -0700 (PDT) From: john robles Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! To: Antique Phonograph List Message-ID: <942911.1294.qm at web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Priceless. --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Douglas Curran wrote: From: Douglas Curran Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:43 PM Greetings: A friend and collector writes the following re http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html ===================================================================== "Wow!? One of the extremely rare glass-cased Disk Grapho-Claxtophones!? I surely wish I lived close enough to pick it up; as you say, a bargain price.? As I understand it, only 5 of these machines were manufactured in a joint venture by Claxton and Columbia for display at the 1903 World's Fair in Dubuque, Iowa (theme: "Corn: A Benefactor to Man"), where the clear case was intended to display the superioriority of a motor those two firms had developed over that employed by Victor in its top-end machines.? None were thought to have survived the trip back to the Columbia factory following the exhibition, as a careless rail baggage clerk dropped the shipping case in which they had been packed, but I guess one must have after all.? That is a major rarity, and I'm really excited to see it.? Thanks for sharing!? I hope that whoever buys it knows how to restore that case.? The best bet would probably be Black Windex, which combines regular glass cleaner with rotten stone abrasive to remove the century-plus accumulation of fingerprints and grime." ===================================================================== Cheers, etc. Doug -- _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:57:56 -0400 From: "BruceY" Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! To: "Antique Phonograph List" Message-ID: <001801c9193a$5abdde40$6401a8c0 at user52c8f93503> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; ??? reply-type=original That is priceless, someone should send it to the generous seller who is listing it, so he or she can incorporate it into the description. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Curran" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! > > Greetings: > > A friend and collector writes the following re > > http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html > > ===================================================================== > > "Wow!? One of the extremely rare glass-cased Disk Grapho-Claxtophones!? I > surely wish I lived close enough to pick it up; as you say, a bargain > price.? As I understand it, only 5 of these machines were manufactured in > a joint venture by Claxton and Columbia for display at the 1903 World's > Fair in Dubuque, Iowa (theme: "Corn: A Benefactor to Man"), where the > clear case was intended to display the superioriority of a motor those two > firms had developed over that employed by Victor in its top-end machines. > None were thought to have survived the trip back to the Columbia factory > following the exhibition, as a careless rail baggage clerk dropped the > shipping case in which they had been packed, but I guess one must have > after all.? That is a major rarity, and I'm really excited to see it. > Thanks for sharing!? I hope that whoever buys it knows how to restore that > case.? The best bet would probably be Black Windex, which combines regular > glass cleaner with rotten stone abrasive to > remove the century-plus accumulation of fingerprints and grime." > > ===================================================================== > > Cheers, etc. > > > Doug -- > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:38:03 -0400 From: "Dan K" Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! To: "Antique Phonograph List" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; ??? reply-type=original Yes, but some poor soul will BELIEVE it and pay out the nose for the thing ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "BruceY" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! > That is priceless, someone should send it to the generous seller who is > listing it, so he or she can incorporate it into the description. > > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas Curran" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:43 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 255 *************************************** From ClockworkHome at aol.com Thu Sep 18 13:28:52 2008 From: ClockworkHome at aol.com (ClockworkHome at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:28:52 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! Message-ID: Adding a description that sounds good makes even a dodgy item seem great. The last few Edison Talking Dolls on eBay have had the wrong heads, reproduction mechanisms, and newly made clothes but all went high with glowing descriptions. Likewise a poor fellow sometime back bought an early recorder that was fitted with a Standard Speaker stylus bar and offered as a rare original. The giveaway was the construction of the tube plate and the high serial number. So, while caveat emptor should be a basic tenant of bidding philosophy, even the best of us sometimes get sucked into a good speil. Don't give the enemy any ammunition ! ! ! Would anyone like to buy my genuine Enrico Caruso Edison brown wax cylinder? Best Wishes To Everyone, Al **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From phonolist at mac.com Thu Sep 18 13:26:41 2008 From: phonolist at mac.com (phonolist at mac.com) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:26:41 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] World's Fair in Dubuque, Iowa in 1903 In-Reply-To: <879810.10875.qm@web62101.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <879810.10875.qm@web62101.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1BC500F1-4358-4C5C-ADBA-78CA94DF798D@mac.com> Actually, that is not quite accurate. The Dubuque World's Fair spanned two years. The Fair ran from Dec. 1 1903, though March 1, 1904. Attendance was disappointing, and plans to open it again the following winter were shelved. For this reason, it is not well remembered today. On ThursdaySeptember 18, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Burdette Walters wrote: > 1903 World's Fair in Dubuque, Iowa............That's a new > one..........and gee, I lived in Iowa all my > life.......................... > Burdette E. Walters > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 254 (RROCRREC at aol.com) > 2. What a Beauty !!!! (Douglas Curran) > 3. Re: What a Beauty !!!! (john robles) > 4. Re: What a Beauty !!!! (BruceY) > 5. Re: What a Beauty !!!! (Dan K) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:22:21 EDT > From: RROCRREC at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 254 > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 9/17/2008 12:23:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > phono-l-request at oldcrank.org writes: > > http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html > > At least you can see what is wrong if something breaks. Positive > thought. > Larry > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new > fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:43:34 -0400 > From: Douglas Curran > Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Greetings: > > A friend and collector writes the following re > > http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html > > ===================================================================== > > "Wow! One of the extremely rare glass-cased Disk Grapho- > Claxtophones! I surely wish I lived close enough to pick it up; as > you say, a bargain price. As I understand it, only 5 of these > machines were manufactured in a joint venture by Claxton and > Columbia for display at the 1903 World's Fair in Dubuque, Iowa > (theme: "Corn: A Benefactor to Man"), where the clear case was > intended to display the superioriority of a motor those two firms > had developed over that employed by Victor in its top-end machines. > None were thought to have survived the trip back to the Columbia > factory following the exhibition, as a careless rail baggage clerk > dropped the shipping case in which they had been packed, but I guess > one must have after all. That is a major rarity, and I'm really > excited to see it. Thanks for sharing! I hope that whoever buys it > knows how to restore that case. The best bet would probably be > Black Windex, which combines regular glass cleaner > with rotten stone abrasive to > remove the century-plus accumulation of fingerprints and grime." > > ===================================================================== > > Cheers, etc. > > > Doug -- > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:51:39 -0700 (PDT) > From: john robles > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! > To: Antique Phonograph List > Message-ID: <942911.1294.qm at web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Priceless. > > --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Douglas Curran wrote: > > From: Douglas Curran > Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:43 PM > > Greetings: > > A friend and collector writes the following re > > http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html > > ===================================================================== > > "Wow! One of the extremely rare glass-cased Disk Grapho- > Claxtophones! I > surely wish I lived close enough to pick it up; as you say, a > bargain price. As > I understand it, only 5 of these machines were manufactured in a > joint venture > by Claxton and Columbia for display at the 1903 World's Fair in > Dubuque, > Iowa (theme: "Corn: A Benefactor to Man"), where the clear case was > intended to display the superioriority of a motor those two firms > had developed > over that employed by Victor in its top-end machines. None were > thought to have > survived the trip back to the Columbia factory following the > exhibition, as a > careless rail baggage clerk dropped the shipping case in which they > had been > packed, but I guess one must have after all. That is a major > rarity, and > I'm really excited to see it. Thanks for sharing! I hope that > whoever buys > it knows how to restore that case. The best bet would probably be > Black Windex, > which combines regular glass cleaner with rotten stone abrasive to > remove the century-plus accumulation of fingerprints and grime." > > ===================================================================== > > Cheers, etc. > > > Doug -- > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:57:56 -0400 > From: "BruceY" > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Message-ID: <001801c9193a$5abdde40$6401a8c0 at user52c8f93503> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > That is priceless, someone should send it to the generous seller who > is > listing it, so he or she can incorporate it into the description. > > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas Curran" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:43 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! > > >> >> Greetings: >> >> A friend and collector writes the following re >> >> http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html >> >> ===================================================================== >> >> "Wow! One of the extremely rare glass-cased Disk Grapho- >> Claxtophones! I >> surely wish I lived close enough to pick it up; as you say, a bargain >> price. As I understand it, only 5 of these machines were >> manufactured in >> a joint venture by Claxton and Columbia for display at the 1903 >> World's >> Fair in Dubuque, Iowa (theme: "Corn: A Benefactor to Man"), where the >> clear case was intended to display the superioriority of a motor >> those two >> firms had developed over that employed by Victor in its top-end >> machines. >> None were thought to have survived the trip back to the Columbia >> factory >> following the exhibition, as a careless rail baggage clerk dropped >> the >> shipping case in which they had been packed, but I guess one must >> have >> after all. That is a major rarity, and I'm really excited to see it. >> Thanks for sharing! I hope that whoever buys it knows how to >> restore that >> case. The best bet would probably be Black Windex, which combines >> regular >> glass cleaner with rotten stone abrasive to >> remove the century-plus accumulation of fingerprints and grime." >> >> ===================================================================== >> >> Cheers, etc. >> >> >> Doug -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. >> http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:38:03 -0400 > From: "Dan K" > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > Yes, but some poor soul will BELIEVE it and pay out the nose for the > thing ! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BruceY" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! > > >> That is priceless, someone should send it to the generous seller >> who is >> listing it, so he or she can incorporate it into the description. >> >> Bruce >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Douglas Curran" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:43 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!! >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 255 > *************************************** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From matt at misterphonograph.com Thu Sep 18 17:47:06 2008 From: matt at misterphonograph.com (Matthew K. Brown) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:47:06 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison DD barrister storage bookcase for sale In-Reply-To: <942911.1294.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <942911.1294.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9B9D080388E0405F8C963A6CDBB97483@MattPC> pics and info here: http://edisonphonos.proboards46.com/index.cgi?board=swapshop&action=display&thread=581 Thanks for looking - if interested, contact me at tubahawk at gmail.com Matt From RROCRREC at aol.com Thu Sep 18 20:34:16 2008 From: RROCRREC at aol.com (RROCRREC at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:34:16 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 255 Message-ID: This is why I like this site. The old G. Marx saying about having me for a member seems OK here. Thank goodness we all have a sense of humor. When our retirement plans are going south at least we can gather "at the river" and play our "windups" for free. Time to pull out the old Bryan and Taft election cylinders regarding bank deposits and listen to advice of 100 years ago. Keep up the fun replies. Larry Hawes **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From rich-mail at octoxol.com Thu Sep 18 21:43:57 2008 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:43:57 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 255 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D32E0D.9070002@octoxol.com> You can thank Woodrow Wilson for the Federal Reserve... RROCRREC at aol.com wrote: > This is why I like this site. The old G. Marx saying about having me for a > member seems OK here. Thank goodness we all have a sense of humor. When our > retirement plans are going south at least we can gather "at the river" and play > our "windups" for free. Time to pull out the old Bryan and Taft election > cylinders regarding bank deposits and listen to advice of 100 years ago. > > Keep up the fun replies. > > Larry Hawes > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From Bruce78rpm at comcast.net Sat Sep 20 09:01:05 2008 From: Bruce78rpm at comcast.net (BruceY) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:01:05 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty Message-ID: <000f01c91b3a$175cca60$6401a8c0@user52c8f93503> http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/847932047.html Now that's better. The seller has come to his senses and dropped the price on this rare beauty imported from India, circa 1930. Now how can you pass it up?? From Bruce78rpm at comcast.net Sat Sep 20 18:07:24 2008 From: Bruce78rpm at comcast.net (BruceY) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:07:24 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono Forum Message-ID: <000a01c91b86$691f5b00$6401a8c0@user52c8f93503> The weekly phono-L forum is tonight from 9PM EST on. So drop in and tell us about your collection or your latest find of the Century. It would be great to have some new faces, errr phono-friends stop by and say hello tonight. Here is the address. http://www.oldcrank.org/chat/ From deedeeblais at yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 21:03:23 2008 From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Nipper for sale! Message-ID: <687494.68240.qm@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm selling one of the 6" flocked metal Nipper banks with the plug in the bottom that's embossed "Radio Corporation of America." I am happy to send photos of the little fellow. If interested, please contact me off list or call 541-990-0781. The price is $95 plus shipping. Thanks, Jerry B. From deedeeblais at yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 21:11:09 2008 From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Disk Records for Sale Message-ID: <92238.74941.qm@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I received a call from a local individual who is selling between fifty and one hundred Diamond Disk Records. He would prefer to sell them as a group but may be interested in other offers. The records are in exceptional condition. Please contact Dave at jenndavepenn at msn.com if you are interested or have questions. Thanks, Jerry Blais From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 22:22:15 2008 From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (buck Buchanan) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Disk Records for Sale In-Reply-To: <92238.74941.qm@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <471319.88395.qm@web57505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Jerry, You may need to check that email address, it was sent back to me. Thank you Bill Buchanan --- On Sun, 9/21/08, DeeDee Blais wrote: From: DeeDee Blais Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Disk Records for Sale To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Cc: jenndavepenn at msn.com Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 12:11 AM I received a call from a local individual who is selling between fifty and one hundred Diamond Disk Records. He would prefer to sell them as a group but may be interested in other offers. The records are in exceptional condition. Please contact Dave at jenndavepenn at msn.com if you are interested or have questions. Thanks, Jerry Blais _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From deedeeblais at yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 09:22:55 2008 From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] "H" Reproducers for sale Message-ID: <325690.32009.qm@web37001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have two extra original "H" reproducers for sale. One has the factory holes in the weight and the other does not. I played both and they sound fine. They are $110 each plus postage. Please contact me off list if interested or call 541-990-0781. Thanks, Jerry Blais From gpaul2000 at aol.com Sun Sep 21 09:28:14 2008 From: gpaul2000 at aol.com (gpaul2000 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:28:14 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Repeater In-Reply-To: <734685.90366.qm@web37005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <734685.90366.qm@web37005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAEA1E2E09FD5E-102C-1537@mblk-d22.sysops.aol.com> If anyone has an Edison Model "D" Repeater for Triumph, or parts thereof, that they'd be willing to sell, I'd be happy to pay the going rate...? Thanks, George Paul From cdh041 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 22 11:21:42 2008 From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:21:42 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty Message-ID: <410-220089122182142296@earthlink.net> Indeee, I'm not an outside horn guy ay any means. But, with all of the hullabaloo about this glass job, I'm astonished to hear that it's not the superlative thing someone else had claimed. At thtis point, if a genuine outside horn phonograph were offered me, I'd have to call in a GOOD expert to look at it. You can get took oh, so easily! > [Original Message] > From: BruceY > To: > Cc: > Date: 9/20/2008 11:57:48 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty > > http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/847932047.html > > Now that's better. The seller has come to his senses and dropped the price on this rare beauty imported from India, circa 1930. Now how can you pass it up?? > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From leroybarco at abq.com Sun Sep 21 16:30:50 2008 From: leroybarco at abq.com (LeRoy Barco) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:30:50 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] "H" Reproducers for sale In-Reply-To: <325690.32009.qm@web37001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Probably gone by now... If not, I?ll take both or one if that?s all that?s left... Thanks, LeRoy On 9/21/08 10:22 AM, "DeeDee Blais" wrote: > I have two extra original "H" reproducers for sale. One has the factory > holes in the weight and the other does not. I played both and they sound > fine. They are $110 each plus postage. Please contact me off list if > interested or call 541-990-0781. Thanks, Jerry Blais > From plavzic at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 00:28:31 2008 From: plavzic at gmail.com (Robert Plavzic) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:28:31 +0200 Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty In-Reply-To: <410-220089122182142296@earthlink.net> References: <410-220089122182142296@earthlink.net> Message-ID: > > Hi Douglas > Most of the comments on the glass phonograph in question are written with a huge dose of sarcasm as its such an obvious modern fake. As a decoration I think the idea may not be bad (ok minus all the unnecessary garlandish stuff on this one) as one could then see all the working bits. Building a reproducer completely out of glass with glass needles :-) is also possible and would round off a see through machine brilliantly! As a kid I remember the Andy Williams show where he had a full size perspex machine on a piano which I thought was quite cool. From ddazer at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 23 04:11:09 2008 From: ddazer at sbcglobal.net (David Dazer) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? Message-ID: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would take a check or money order.? Over the years, I have heard of many problems with Pay Pal.? Have those issues been resolved?? Those of you who use Pay Pal, do you like it? Any advice in this matter is appreciated.? I do sell some non-phono related items once in a while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth the risk of using Pay Pal. Dave From rich-mail at octoxol.com Tue Sep 23 05:56:04 2008 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:56:04 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? In-Reply-To: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48D8E764.4050800@octoxol.com> I have had a PayPal account since they first started. That initially was a personal account that was used for payments. The account was subsequently upgraded to a Premier account. I have never had any problems at all with the account. I do sell high dollar items on eBay and accept payment through PayPal. I also have read and do understand the entire user agreement. I have had sellers who did not deliver and have collected through PayPal. I do not use PayPal as a substitute for either a checking account, bank savings account, or a brokerage money market. I use PayPal to make payments and receive payments only. Rich David Dazer wrote: > I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would take a check or money order. Over the years, I have heard of many problems with Pay Pal. Have those issues been resolved? Those of you who use Pay Pal, do you like it? > Any advice in this matter is appreciated. I do sell some non-phono related items once in a while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth the risk of using Pay Pal. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From jnichol at fuse.net Tue Sep 23 06:34:23 2008 From: jnichol at fuse.net (Jim Nichol) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:34:23 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? In-Reply-To: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9BCED7D6-9201-4112-807C-BC42CF4BAF1F@fuse.net> What problems? I have never heard of Paypal problems. I consider my Paypal account to be far more secure than using a credit card. (you can get a credit card number stolen or misused by any dishonest merchant). Whereas I don't know of anyway to misuse Paypal. Jim On Sep 23, 2008, at 7:11 AM, David Dazer wrote: > I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would take a > check or money order. Over the years, I have heard of many problems > with Pay Pal. Have those issues been resolved? Those of you who > use Pay Pal, do you like it? > Any advice in this matter is appreciated. I do sell some non-phono > related items once in a while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth > the risk of using Pay Pal. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lkatzinger at chartermi.net Tue Sep 23 06:14:38 2008 From: lkatzinger at chartermi.net (lkatzinger at chartermi.net) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 9:14:38 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? In-Reply-To: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080923091438.CU89M.168029.root@mp08> Hi Dave, I have had PayPal for a number of years and have never had a problem. I have only used it to buy-since I never yet have sold anything. I have more issues with collecting on insurance claims from the Post Office but that's a different issue. Best wishes, Leon From Aph4990 at aol.com Tue Sep 23 07:21:18 2008 From: Aph4990 at aol.com (Aph4990 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:21:18 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? Message-ID: Hi Dave, I have used PayPal for a number of years now and really have never had any problems. However, I am using it as a buyer. I understand that if you are using it as a seller and are dealing in many low priced items, the commissions they charge can be onerous. I think that sellers have to realize that using PayPal is a heck of a lot easier than obtaining a money order or sending a check and anything that will make it easier to buy an item can increase sales. I used to use money orders to pay for items and no longer want to waste my time doing that. I am much more likely to bid on an item if payment can be made with PayPal. ---Art Heller **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From esroberto at hotmail.com Tue Sep 23 07:38:38 2008 From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:38:38 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? References: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9BCED7D6-9201-4112-807C-BC42CF4BAF1F@fuse.net> Message-ID: There are ways, and it has happened. But not to me, not once, not a single PayPal problem, and I've had an account practically since they opened. I find myself using it for more and more things beyond eBay at this point, in fact. Best, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichol" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? > What problems? I have never heard of Paypal problems. I consider my > Paypal account to be far more secure than using a credit card. (you > can get a credit card number stolen or misused by any dishonest > merchant). Whereas I don't know of anyway to misuse Paypal. > > Jim > > On Sep 23, 2008, at 7:11 AM, David Dazer wrote: > >> I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would take a >> check or money order. Over the years, I have heard of many problems >> with Pay Pal. Have those issues been resolved? Those of you who >> use Pay Pal, do you like it? >> Any advice in this matter is appreciated. I do sell some non-phono >> related items once in a while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth >> the risk of using Pay Pal. >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From Zonophone2006 at aol.com Tue Sep 23 08:32:11 2008 From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:32:11 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? Message-ID: a note to all i have been spamed by people on both ebay and paypal so leave the links along i always send them to spoof at both addresses In a message dated 9/23/2008 7:19:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ddazer at sbcglobal.net writes: I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would take a check or money order. Over the years, I have heard of many problems with Pay Pal. Have those issues been resolved? Those of you who use Pay Pal, do you like it? Any advice in this matter is appreciated. I do sell some non-phono related items once in a while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth the risk of using Pay Pal. Dave _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From steve_noreen at msn.com Tue Sep 23 08:53:11 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:53:11 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? In-Reply-To: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: PayPal has been great to me I have had no problems. You can use a credit card and I would recommend this for added protection when you pay someone you are not sure of. I have had PayPal since it was free. PayPal is like any other thing you have to avoid the weak areas. Poor customer service, fees keep going up, not much protection but with care you can avoid most of the problems. > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:11:09 -0700> From: ddazer at sbcglobal.net> To: phono-L at oldcrank.org> Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal?> > I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would take a check or money order. Over the years, I have heard of many problems with Pay Pal. Have those issues been resolved? Those of you who use Pay Pal, do you like it?> Any advice in this matter is appreciated. I do sell some non-phono related items once in a while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth the risk of using Pay Pal.> Dave> _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From dan at old-phonographs.com Tue Sep 23 08:52:16 2008 From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:52:16 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? In-Reply-To: <9BCED7D6-9201-4112-807C-BC42CF4BAF1F@fuse.net> References: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9BCED7D6-9201-4112-807C-BC42CF4BAF1F@fuse.net> Message-ID: I've gotten to the point where I rarely buy anything on ebay if the seller does not take paypal. The only issues I have had (and there have been very few) with ebay have not involved paypal. I consider it a safe and secure way to pay for online merchandise. It keeps my credit card and bank account information from being exposed and eliminates any potential issue of a seller saying I did not pay because there is a clear and easy to find trail for all paypal transactions. On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Jim Nichol wrote: > What problems? I have never heard of Paypal problems. I consider my > Paypal account to be far more secure than using a credit card. (you > can get a credit card number stolen or misused by any dishonest > merchant). Whereas I don't know of anyway to misuse Paypal. > > Jim > > On Sep 23, 2008, at 7:11 AM, David Dazer wrote: > > > I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would take a > > check or money order. Over the years, I have heard of many problems > > with Pay Pal. Have those issues been resolved? Those of you who > > use Pay Pal, do you like it? > > Any advice in this matter is appreciated. I do sell some non-phono > > related items once in a while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth > > the risk of using Pay Pal. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 09:26:25 2008 From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (buck Buchanan) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? In-Reply-To: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <183820.18566.qm@web57503.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Dave, I have been using Paay Pal for about 8 years with no problems. When I do bid on items on ebay I look to see if the seller takes Pay Pal because it makes it so much easier to pay for your items. as a buyer I think that it is a great system. I have never sold anything using Pay Pal so I cannot offer any advice there. Bill Buchanan --- On Tue, 9/23/08, David Dazer wrote: From: David Dazer Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? To: phono-L at oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 7:11 AM I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would take a check or money order.? Over the years, I have heard of many problems with Pay Pal.? Have those issues been resolved?? Those of you who use Pay Pal, do you like it? Any advice in this matter is appreciated.? I do sell some non-phono related items once in a while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth the risk of using Pay Pal. Dave _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From cylinders at rogers.com Tue Sep 23 14:05:30 2008 From: cylinders at rogers.com (Herman Wedemire) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? Message-ID: <196209.95242.qm@web88304.mail.re4.yahoo.com> ?Paypal is great and the amout you pay for fees is offset by the increased bidding activity on your items due the the buyer in favour of PayPal. Also most times I get instant payment after the auction ends. Here are a couple of tips helping to avoid scam. Open seperate checking? account just to manage PayPal and use it just as a vehicle to move the funds around. As soon as the money hits the PayPal account I transfer it. I also have a credit card with a very low floor limit just for online transactions and PayPal. Herman? ----- Original Message ---- From: buck Buchanan To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:26:25 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? Dave, I have been using Paay Pal for about 8 years with no problems. When I do bid on items on ebay I look to see if the seller takes Pay Pal because it makes it so much easier to pay for your items. as a buyer I think that it is a great system. I have never sold anything using Pay Pal so I cannot offer any advice there. Bill Buchanan --- On Tue, 9/23/08, David Dazer wrote: From: David Dazer Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? To: phono-L at oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 7:11 AM I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would take a check or money order.? Over the years, I have heard of many problems with Pay Pal.? Have those issues been resolved?? Those of you who use Pay Pal, do you like it? Any advice in this matter is appreciated.? I do sell some non-phono related items once in a while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth the risk of using Pay Pal. Dave _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From pjfraser at alamedanet.net Tue Sep 23 20:07:29 2008 From: pjfraser at alamedanet.net (Peter Fraser) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:07:29 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? In-Reply-To: References: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <739027F0-00EC-4BA0-BA7B-74AB8253A161@alamedanet.net> i've managed to hang on to the original free account all these years. there's unceasing pressure to "upgrade" to a fee-based account but if you read the fine print and pay attention you can still use it free. i don't know whether they still even offer the free account, but it's worth looking into. most complaints that you hear are from cheapskate sellers who resent the 2.5% (or whatever it is) fee...the service is obviously worth it, and is secure and easy to use. -- peter pjfraser at alamedanet.net On Sep 23, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Steven Medved wrote: > PayPal has been great to me I have had no problems. You can use a > credit card and I would recommend this for added protection when you > pay someone you are not sure of. I have had PayPal since it was > free. PayPal is like any other thing you have to avoid the weak > areas. Poor customer service, fees keep going up, not much > protection but with care you can avoid most of the problems. > >> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:11:09 -0700> From: ddazer at sbcglobal.net> >> To: phono-L at oldcrank.org> Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal?> >> > I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would >> take a check or money order. Over the years, I have heard of many >> problems with Pay Pal. Have those issues been resolved? Those of >> you who use Pay Pal, do you like it?> Any advice in this matter is >> appreciated. I do sell some non-phono related items once in a >> while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth the risk of using Pay >> Pal.> Dave> _______________________________________________> Phono- >> L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rich-mail at octoxol.com Tue Sep 23 20:41:04 2008 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:41:04 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? In-Reply-To: <739027F0-00EC-4BA0-BA7B-74AB8253A161@alamedanet.net> References: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <739027F0-00EC-4BA0-BA7B-74AB8253A161@alamedanet.net> Message-ID: <48D9B6D0.7010903@octoxol.com> Free account is gone. But the personal account is reasonable. If you are only going to use it for payments it is free. Peter Fraser wrote: > i've managed to hang on to the original free account all these years. > there's unceasing pressure to "upgrade" to a fee-based account but if > you read the fine print and pay attention you can still use it free. > > i don't know whether they still even offer the free account, but it's > worth looking into. most complaints that you hear are from cheapskate > sellers who resent the 2.5% (or whatever it is) fee...the service is > obviously worth it, and is secure and easy to use. > > -- peter > pjfraser at alamedanet.net > > On Sep 23, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Steven Medved wrote: > >> PayPal has been great to me I have had no problems. You can use a >> credit card and I would recommend this for added protection when you >> pay someone you are not sure of. I have had PayPal since it was >> free. PayPal is like any other thing you have to avoid the weak >> areas. Poor customer service, fees keep going up, not much >> protection but with care you can avoid most of the problems. >> >>> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:11:09 -0700> From: ddazer at sbcglobal.net> >>> To: phono-L at oldcrank.org> Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal?> >>>> I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would >>> take a check or money order. Over the years, I have heard of many >>> problems with Pay Pal. Have those issues been resolved? Those of >>> you who use Pay Pal, do you like it?> Any advice in this matter is >>> appreciated. I do sell some non-phono related items once in a >>> while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth the risk of using Pay >>> Pal.> Dave> _______________________________________________> Phono- >>> L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From chrisk33 at cox.net Tue Sep 23 21:57:50 2008 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:57:50 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? In-Reply-To: <48D9B6D0.7010903@octoxol.com> References: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <739027F0-00EC-4BA0-BA7B-74AB8253A161@alamedanet.net> <48D9B6D0.7010903@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <48D9C8CE.2010006@cox.net> ...but if you want to accept someone's credit card payment, you have to upgrade to a premier account (at least that's what it was called when I signed up). No problems other than I wish the fee was less. A friend in Europe sent me some money via credit card to buy something for him and the fee took a big bite out of what he sent ($17.27 out of $435). Rich wrote: > Free account is gone. But the personal account is reasonable. If you > are only going to use it for payments it is free. > > Peter Fraser wrote: > >> i've managed to hang on to the original free account all these years. >> there's unceasing pressure to "upgrade" to a fee-based account but if >> you read the fine print and pay attention you can still use it free. >> >> i don't know whether they still even offer the free account, but it's >> worth looking into. most complaints that you hear are from cheapskate >> sellers who resent the 2.5% (or whatever it is) fee...the service is >> obviously worth it, and is secure and easy to use. >> >> -- peter >> pjfraser at alamedanet.net >> >> On Sep 23, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Steven Medved wrote: >> >> >>> PayPal has been great to me I have had no problems. You can use a >>> credit card and I would recommend this for added protection when you >>> pay someone you are not sure of. I have had PayPal since it was >>> free. PayPal is like any other thing you have to avoid the weak >>> areas. Poor customer service, fees keep going up, not much >>> protection but with care you can avoid most of the problems. >>> >>> >>>> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:11:09 -0700> From: ddazer at sbcglobal.net> >>>> To: phono-L at oldcrank.org> Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal?> >>>> >>>>> I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would >>>>> >>>> take a check or money order. Over the years, I have heard of many >>>> problems with Pay Pal. Have those issues been resolved? Those of >>>> you who use Pay Pal, do you like it?> Any advice in this matter is >>>> appreciated. I do sell some non-phono related items once in a >>>> while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth the risk of using Pay >>>> Pal.> Dave> _______________________________________________> Phono- >>>> L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From deedeeblais at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 21:14:59 2008 From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] (no subject) Message-ID: <820810.14354.qm@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A few days ago I posted a message about a fellow selling some pristine Diamond Disk records and I had an incorrect email address. The correct address is jenndavpenn at msn.com Please give him a try. Happy collecting, Jerry Blais From rich-mail at octoxol.com Tue Sep 23 21:50:53 2008 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:50:53 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? In-Reply-To: <48D9C8CE.2010006@cox.net> References: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <739027F0-00EC-4BA0-BA7B-74AB8253A161@alamedanet.net> <48D9B6D0.7010903@octoxol.com> <48D9C8CE.2010006@cox.net> Message-ID: <48D9C72D.6050102@octoxol.com> Foreign exchange is expensive any way you do it. I do not think PayPal is out of line on that charge. The name of the account is Premier account. Chris Kocsis wrote: > ...but if you want to accept someone's credit card payment, you have to > upgrade to a premier account (at least that's what it was called when I > signed up). > > No problems other than I wish the fee was less. A friend in Europe sent > me some money via credit card to buy something for him and the fee took > a big bite out of what he sent ($17.27 out of $435). > > Rich wrote: >> Free account is gone. But the personal account is reasonable. If you >> are only going to use it for payments it is free. >> >> Peter Fraser wrote: >> >>> i've managed to hang on to the original free account all these years. >>> there's unceasing pressure to "upgrade" to a fee-based account but if >>> you read the fine print and pay attention you can still use it free. >>> >>> i don't know whether they still even offer the free account, but it's >>> worth looking into. most complaints that you hear are from cheapskate >>> sellers who resent the 2.5% (or whatever it is) fee...the service is >>> obviously worth it, and is secure and easy to use. >>> >>> -- peter >>> pjfraser at alamedanet.net >>> >>> On Sep 23, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Steven Medved wrote: >>> >>> >>>> PayPal has been great to me I have had no problems. You can use a >>>> credit card and I would recommend this for added protection when you >>>> pay someone you are not sure of. I have had PayPal since it was >>>> free. PayPal is like any other thing you have to avoid the weak >>>> areas. Poor customer service, fees keep going up, not much >>>> protection but with care you can avoid most of the problems. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:11:09 -0700> From: ddazer at sbcglobal.net> >>>>> To: phono-L at oldcrank.org> Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal?> >>>>> >>>>>> I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would >>>>>> >>>>> take a check or money order. Over the years, I have heard of many >>>>> problems with Pay Pal. Have those issues been resolved? Those of >>>>> you who use Pay Pal, do you like it?> Any advice in this matter is >>>>> appreciated. I do sell some non-phono related items once in a >>>>> while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth the risk of using Pay >>>>> Pal.> Dave> _______________________________________________> Phono- >>>>> L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From marioaf at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 23 22:58:25 2008 From: marioaf at optusnet.com.au (Mario Frazzetto) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:58:25 +1000 Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? References: <34685.7466.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <739027F0-00EC-4BA0-BA7B-74AB8253A161@alamedanet.net> <48D9B6D0.7010903@octoxol.com><48D9C8CE.2010006@cox.net> <48D9C72D.6050102@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <001201c91e0a$8fd384c0$6401a8c0@tonyandjose> I have no problems with PayPal. I think it is great and I've been using it since fairly close to when they were first established. I agree that if you accept PayPal then you are likely to get more bids. I also think that when quoting charges you need to take into account what the cost of the alternative is. It costs me AUD$30 to have an international Bank Draft drawn up to send money and I have to figure that when I'm bidding. Wire transfers whilst quick usually also skim off the top of the total, not to mention the cost of sending one (when we are talking international transactions it costs about AUD$20). Like everyone has said PayPal is fast and safe! Mario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? > Foreign exchange is expensive any way you do it. I do not think PayPal > is out of line on that charge. The name of the account is Premier > account. > > Chris Kocsis wrote: >> ...but if you want to accept someone's credit card payment, you have to >> upgrade to a premier account (at least that's what it was called when I >> signed up). >> >> No problems other than I wish the fee was less. A friend in Europe sent >> me some money via credit card to buy something for him and the fee took >> a big bite out of what he sent ($17.27 out of $435). >> >> Rich wrote: >>> Free account is gone. But the personal account is reasonable. If you >>> are only going to use it for payments it is free. >>> >>> Peter Fraser wrote: >>> >>>> i've managed to hang on to the original free account all these years. >>>> there's unceasing pressure to "upgrade" to a fee-based account but if >>>> you read the fine print and pay attention you can still use it free. >>>> >>>> i don't know whether they still even offer the free account, but it's >>>> worth looking into. most complaints that you hear are from cheapskate >>>> sellers who resent the 2.5% (or whatever it is) fee...the service is >>>> obviously worth it, and is secure and easy to use. >>>> >>>> -- peter >>>> pjfraser at alamedanet.net >>>> >>>> On Sep 23, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Steven Medved wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> PayPal has been great to me I have had no problems. You can use a >>>>> credit card and I would recommend this for added protection when you >>>>> pay someone you are not sure of. I have had PayPal since it was >>>>> free. PayPal is like any other thing you have to avoid the weak >>>>> areas. Poor customer service, fees keep going up, not much >>>>> protection but with care you can avoid most of the problems. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:11:09 -0700> From: ddazer at sbcglobal.net> >>>>>> To: phono-L at oldcrank.org> Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal?> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would >>>>>>> >>>>>> take a check or money order. Over the years, I have heard of many >>>>>> problems with Pay Pal. Have those issues been resolved? Those of >>>>>> you who use Pay Pal, do you like it?> Any advice in this matter is >>>>>> appreciated. I do sell some non-phono related items once in a >>>>>> while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth the risk of using Pay >>>>>> Pal.> Dave> _______________________________________________> Phono- >>>>>> L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From ClockworkHome at aol.com Wed Sep 24 03:44:05 2008 From: ClockworkHome at aol.com (ClockworkHome at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:44:05 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? Message-ID: YES ! ! ! I actually will bid way higher with a seller using PayPal and I have gotten some phonographic bargains from sellers who demanded only money orders. Once the ease and security change your mindset you cannot go back to the old system relying on snail mail to deliver payment. I like the very idea that I can pay for an item within minutes of the auction close and do so without getting out of my chair. If the seller is on the ball my item arrives often just days after the close. I have only been stung on eBay once by a guy selling "Borri Wax Cylinders" as he would not take PayPal but could cash the postal money order without delivering the goods. eBay pulled his account but I never got a cent or a cylinder. I figure that anyone who qualifies for PayPal has passed some scrutiny to begin with. Regards to all, Al **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From AllenAmet at aol.com Wed Sep 24 04:17:24 2008 From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:17:24 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/23/2008 11:27:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pjfraser at alamedanet.net writes: i've managed to hang on to the original free account all these years. there's unceasing pressure to "upgrade" to a fee-based account but if you read the fine print and pay attention you can still use it free. --------------- It is always free to the sender (regardless). PayPal recipients pay almost 3% to receive unless they link their own account to a real bank instead of just a credit card. All in all, it saves a lot of time and is very useful for overseas too. Allen **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From chrisk33 at cox.net Wed Sep 24 07:01:07 2008 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:01:07 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48DA4823.3060505@cox.net> I had the same problem with Shawn Borri and it still rankles. I even defended him to strangers because he had a good reputation. No apology, no refund. I understand his partner screwed him over and he had severe financial problems, which he may not yet have recovered from; and there are people who speak well of him. ClockworkHome at aol.com wrote: > YES ! ! ! > > I actually will bid way higher with a seller using PayPal and I have gotten > some phonographic bargains from sellers who demanded only money orders. Once > the ease and security change your mindset you cannot go back to the old system > relying on snail mail to deliver payment. I like the very idea that I can pay > for an item within minutes of the auction close and do so without getting out > of my chair. If the seller is on the ball my item arrives often just days > after the close. > > I have only been stung on eBay once by a guy selling "Borri Wax Cylinders" as > he would not take PayPal but could cash the postal money order without > delivering the goods. eBay pulled his account but I never got a cent or a cylinder. > I figure that anyone who qualifies for PayPal has passed some scrutiny to > begin with. > > Regards to all, > > Al > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From steve_noreen at msn.com Wed Sep 24 08:44:43 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:44:43 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? In-Reply-To: <48DA4823.3060505@cox.net> References: <48DA4823.3060505@cox.net> Message-ID: The guy was selling the records for Shawn, he never paid Shawn and just took the money and never sent the records. Shawn did give me a record when I contacted him. Shawn was happy to make the records and was not involved with the selling. Did you ever contact him? Steve > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:01:07 -0500> From: chrisk33 at cox.net> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal?> > I had the same problem with Shawn Borri and it still rankles. I even > defended him to strangers because he had a good reputation. No apology, > no refund. I understand his partner screwed him over and he had severe > financial problems, which he may not yet have recovered from; and there > are people who speak well of him.> > ClockworkHome at aol.com wrote:> > YES ! ! !> > > > I actually will bid way higher with a seller using PayPal and I have gotten > > some phonographic bargains from sellers who demanded only money orders. Once > > the ease and security change your mindset you cannot go back to the old system > > relying on snail mail to deliver payment. I like the very idea that I can pay > > for an item within minutes of the auction close and do so without getting out > > of my chair. If the seller is on the ball my item arrives often just days > > after the close.> > > > I have only been stung on eBay once by a guy selling "Borri Wax Cylinders" as > > he would not take PayPal but could cash the postal money order without > > delivering the goods. eBay pulled his account but I never got a cent or a cylinder. > > I figure that anyone who qualifies for PayPal has passed some scrutiny to > > begin with.> > > > Regards to all,> > > > Al> > > >> >> >> > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and > > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From chrisk33 at cox.net Wed Sep 24 10:10:20 2008 From: chrisk33 at cox.net (chrisk33 at cox.net) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:10:20 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080924131020.T5WOQ.403664.imail@eastrmwml28> I tried of course, but to the eBay listing so I suppose the messages were never passed on by the scoundrel. To be fair, a couple of years later I did find an address for Shawn but all I asked him was did he have a catalog of recordings. He did not at the time and I did not follow up. I would have reminded him of the specific recording to see if he could make good on it or give me a discount, since as I recall the original amount was not very much. So I guess I really should not hold it against him. ---- Steven Medved wrote: > The guy was selling the records for Shawn, he never paid Shawn and just took the money and never sent the records. Shawn did give me a record when I contacted him. Shawn was happy to make the records and was not involved with the selling. Did you ever contact him? > > Steve > > > > > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:01:07 -0500> From: chrisk33 at cox.net> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal?> > I had the same problem with Shawn Borri and it still rankles. I even > defended him to strangers because he had a good reputation. No apology, > no refund. I understand his partner screwed him over and he had severe > financial problems, which he may not yet have recovered from; and there > are people who speak well of him.> > ClockworkHome at aol.com wrote:> > YES ! ! !> > > > I actually will bid way higher with a seller using PayPal and I have gotten > > some phonographic bargains from sellers who demanded only money orders. Once > > the ease and security change your mindset you cannot go back to the old system > > relying on snail mail to deliver payment. I like the very idea that I can pay > > for an item within minutes of the auction close and do so without getting out > > of my chair. If the seller is on the ball my item arrives often j > ust days > > after the close.> > > > I have only been stung on eBay once by a guy selling "Borri Wax Cylinders" as > > he would not take PayPal but could cash the postal money order without > > delivering the goods. eBay pulled his account but I never got a cent or a cylinder. > > I figure that anyone who qualifies for PayPal has passed some scrutiny to > > begin with.> > > > Regards to all,> > > > Al> > > >> >> >> > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and > > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From wilenzick at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 24 13:00:54 2008 From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (wilenzick at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:00:54 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison ALVA on eBay Message-ID: <000801c91e80$4148d870$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> Well guys, here's your chance to get a nice ALVA, so check it out on eBay. At $5600 now and 9 days to go. That's plenty of time to empty your bank accounts, and besides, it's certainly a better investment than the stock market. From ClockworkHome at aol.com Wed Sep 24 13:53:13 2008 From: ClockworkHome at aol.com (ClockworkHome at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:53:13 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... Message-ID: Steve, thank you for the information. I did not know of Shawn Borri or ever had his address. It must have been his partner on eBay who was taking the cash and never shipping anything. It wasn't the money I was ticked about, it was that I did not have modern blank wax cylinders onto which to make test recordings. I have even toyed with the idea of making my own blanks but why reinvent the wheel if someone else is doing it? I am especially interested in 5 inch Concert blanks. Now my question to this learned list is who is making blanks of both sizes and are they so expensive that originals are competitive? Regards to All, Al **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From rich-mail at octoxol.com Wed Sep 24 15:20:24 2008 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:20:24 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48DABD28.3020604@octoxol.com> Paul Morris is the only person making concert blanks. I am not sure what Shawn is doing as he was having problems with landlords regarding hot wax. You can contact him directly at edisonphonoworks at hotmail.com He only sells what he has on hand as taking orders causes way too much grief. ClockworkHome at aol.com wrote: > Steve, thank you for the information. > > I did not know of Shawn Borri or ever had his address. It must have been his > partner on eBay who was taking the cash and never shipping anything. It > wasn't the money I was ticked about, it was that I did not have modern blank wax > cylinders onto which to make test recordings. > > I have even toyed with the idea of making my own blanks but why reinvent the > wheel if someone else is doing it? I am especially interested in 5 inch > Concert blanks. > > Now my question to this learned list is who is making blanks of both sizes > and are they so expensive that originals are competitive? > > Regards to All, > > Al > > > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From jpisano at cox.net Wed Sep 24 14:49:19 2008 From: jpisano at cox.net (John Pisano) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:49:19 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... Message-ID: <001201c91e8f$65e14af0$6401a8c0@gap> I met Shawn Borri at the MME show in New Jersey a few years back. I traded him and his partner a shaving machine in exchange for eight cylinders. I received two cylinders at the show and he was going to make the rest when he got home. I gave him the shaver at the show. This was several years ago. I never did receive the cylinders. I have e-mailed him several times since and he has e-mailed me back stating he would send the cylinders as recently as a year ago. I have never received them and have since given up. Obviously I would not do business with him again. From john9ten at pacbell.net Wed Sep 24 18:04:38 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... In-Reply-To: <001201c91e8f$65e14af0$6401a8c0@gap> Message-ID: <390529.87987.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like a shady guy. The one thing I never liked about his business is that he claimed to be successor to the original Edison Phonograph Works...to me that is just plain dishonest. --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Pisano wrote: From: John Pisano Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:49 PM I met Shawn Borri at the MME show in New Jersey a few years back. I traded him and his partner a shaving machine in exchange for eight cylinders. I received two cylinders at the show and he was going to make the rest when he got home. I gave him the shaver at the show. This was several years ago. I never did receive the cylinders. I have e-mailed him several times since and he has e-mailed me back stating he would send the cylinders as recently as a year ago. I have never received them and have since given up. Obviously I would not do business with him again. _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From C5fan at aol.com Wed Sep 24 18:55:31 2008 From: C5fan at aol.com (C5fan at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:55:31 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... Message-ID: I believe he bought the name and the rights years ago just like the company in India that bought the name and rights to the HMV's that we call crapophones. That is why he has made this claim and I guess it does make him the successor. . In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:10:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john9ten at pacbell.net writes: Sounds like a shady guy. The one thing I never liked about his business is that he claimed to be successor to the original Edison Phonograph Works...to me that is just plain dishonest. --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Pisano wrote: From: John Pisano Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:49 PM I met Shawn Borri at the MME show in New Jersey a few years back. I traded him and his partner a shaving machine in exchange for eight cylinders. I received two cylinders at the show and he was going to make the rest when he got home. I gave him the shaver at the show. This was several years ago. I never did receive the cylinders. I have e-mailed him several times since and he has e-mailed me back stating he would send the cylinders as recently as a year ago. I have never received them and have since given up. Obviously I would not do business with him again. _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From wilenzick at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 24 19:28:48 2008 From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (wilenzick at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:28:48 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... References: Message-ID: <000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> I really doubt that anyone could currently buy the name and rights of the Edison Phonograph Works, just as I doubt that anybody in India bought the name and rights to the HMV company to make crapophones. Am I right or not? Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... >I believe he bought the name and the rights years ago just like the >company > in India that bought the name and rights to the HMV's that we call > crapophones. That is why he has made this claim and I guess it does make > him the > successor. . > > > In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:10:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > john9ten at pacbell.net writes: > > Sounds like a shady guy. The one thing I never liked about his business > is > that he claimed to be successor to the original Edison Phonograph > Works...to > me that is just plain dishonest. > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Pisano wrote: > > From: John Pisano > Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:49 PM > > I met Shawn Borri at the MME show in New Jersey a few years back. I > traded > him and his partner a shaving machine in exchange for eight cylinders. I > received two cylinders at the show and he was going to make the rest when > he > got home. I gave him the shaver at the show. This was several years > ago. > I never did receive the cylinders. I have e-mailed him several times > since > and he has e-mailed me back stating he would send the cylinders as > recently > as a year ago. I have never received them and have since given up. > Obviously I would not do business with him again. > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From loran at oldcrank.com Wed Sep 24 21:05:00 2008 From: loran at oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:05:00 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... In-Reply-To: <000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> References: <000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> Message-ID: <9BB493E8-F38D-48BA-A7FB-E09E11CCAFE2@oldcrank.com> In Oregon, all it takes is $50 to register an assumed business name. Heck, I'll go one step further and claim the Edison distributorship for the west coast. Take that Jerry Blais and Brice Paris! Loran On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:28 PM, wrote: > I really doubt that anyone could currently buy the name and rights > of the > Edison Phonograph Works, just as I doubt that anybody in India > bought the > name and rights to the HMV company to make crapophones. Am I right > or not? > > Ray From donmayer at shaw.ca Wed Sep 24 21:10:24 2008 From: donmayer at shaw.ca (Don Mayer) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:10:24 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison rococo grill orientation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6052BB69-1E57-4F42-BE2C-5A67FD130C2A@shaw.ca> Please forgive me if this has come up before. I have four Edison phonographs with the "urn" style grill. I have generally seen the grills to be oriented in such a way as to have the "urn" on the bottom, apparently with the open end up. On the other hand, here is what I observe about my machines. I have two A250 Diamond Disc machines. Both of their grill frames have the top edge cut at 90?, whereas the bottom edge is around 87-88?. One sees this done with the latch side of a door so that as the door closes it does not scrape the frame, yet when the door is closed it produces a visible edge which is close to the frame. Using this analogy, I would conclude that the bevelled edge is the bottom one and the 90? edge is inserted first into the deeper slot in the top of the frame opening. In fact, one of these grills can physically only be inserted in this orientation. The resulting orientation of the "urn" is at the top of the grill, opening down. I have an Amberola 1A (sn 16xx) which has a narrow tongue along both top and bottom edges. The longer tongue must be inserted into the top of the frame opening first because of the geometry of the frame which once again forces the grill to be oriented with the urn at the top, opening down. It will not fit in the other orientation. On the other hand, my Amberola 1B (sn 39xx), while having the same bevelled edge along one side only as do the A250's, must be inserted so that the urn orientation is on the bottom, opening up. Has anyone else similarly observed this in their own machines? Is the orientation of the urn indeed different in earlier machines from those later on, or was it random despite what is generally seen in photos, or were my machines just manufactured on a Friday afternoon? I would appreciate your comments since I have a walnut 1A which needs to have a grill installed in the existing grill frame and I have the choice of which way to install it. Cheers, Don From talk78s.settlemier at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 24 22:26:02 2008 From: talk78s.settlemier at sbcglobal.net (Tyrone Settlemier) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:26:02 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... References: <000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> <9BB493E8-F38D-48BA-A7FB-E09E11CCAFE2@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: <000601c91ecf$3445e830$210110ac@DISCOGRAPHY> Yes, and I am Leeds & Catlin. I will pirate you, and it will take years and years of litigation to stop me. Bwa Hah! Hah! Hah! ;-) Ty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loran Hughes" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... > In Oregon, all it takes is $50 to register an assumed business name. > Heck, I'll go one step further and claim the Edison distributorship > for the west coast. Take that Jerry Blais and Brice Paris! > > Loran > > On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:28 PM, wrote: > >> I really doubt that anyone could currently buy the name and rights >> of the >> Edison Phonograph Works, just as I doubt that anybody in India >> bought the >> name and rights to the HMV company to make crapophones. Am I right >> or not? >> >> Ray > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From pjfraser at alamedanet.net Wed Sep 24 23:02:58 2008 From: pjfraser at alamedanet.net (Peter Fraser) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:02:58 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: actually it makes him either a huge devotee...or a crackpot. On Sep 24, 2008, at 6:55 PM, C5fan at aol.com wrote: > I believe he bought the name and the rights years ago just like the > company > in India that bought the name and rights to the HMV's that we call > crapophones. That is why he has made this claim and I guess it does > make him the > successor. . > > > In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:10:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > john9ten at pacbell.net writes: > > Sounds like a shady guy. The one thing I never liked about his > business is > that he claimed to be successor to the original Edison Phonograph > Works...to > me that is just plain dishonest. > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Pisano wrote: > > From: John Pisano > Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:49 PM > > I met Shawn Borri at the MME show in New Jersey a few years back. > I traded > him and his partner a shaving machine in exchange for eight > cylinders. I > received two cylinders at the show and he was going to make the > rest when he > got home. I gave him the shaver at the show. This was several > years ago. > I never did receive the cylinders. I have e-mailed him several > times since > and he has e-mailed me back stating he would send the cylinders as > recently > as a year ago. I have never received them and have since given up. > Obviously I would not do business with him again. > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and > information, tips and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/? > NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ClockworkHome at aol.com Wed Sep 24 23:51:25 2008 From: ClockworkHome at aol.com (ClockworkHome at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:51:25 EDT Subject: [Phono-L] Edison rococo grill orientation Message-ID: My 1As and 1B has the urn in the lower half as is seen on the Edison catalogues of the era. The catalogues I have for each year do not show the urn on top upside down in any depiction. Al **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From gpaul2000 at aol.com Thu Sep 25 03:29:49 2008 From: gpaul2000 at aol.com (gpaul2000 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:29:49 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison rococo grill orientation In-Reply-To: <6052BB69-1E57-4F42-BE2C-5A67FD130C2A@shaw.ca> References: <6052BB69-1E57-4F42-BE2C-5A67FD130C2A@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <8CAED10C61EF2CC-1338-12D@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com> Don, I have observed a few Edison cabinets with the urn "upside-down," particularly on the Herzog-style cabinets.? (As you know, some of these were re-worked by Pooley and the rococo grilles substituted for the lyre grilles.)? There is definitely some inconsistency, but if I were choosing an orientation as you are, I'd stick with the conventional configuration. George Paul -----Original Message----- From: Don Mayer To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:10 am Subject: [Phono-L] Edison rococo grill orientation Please forgive me if this has come up before. I have four Edison phonographs with the "urn" style grill. I have generally seen the grills to be oriented in such a way as to have the "urn" on the bottom, apparently with the open end up. On the other hand, here is what I observe about my machines. I have two A250 Diamond Disc machines. Both of their grill frames have the top edge cut at 90?, whereas the bottom edge is around 87-88?. One sees this done with the latch side of a door so that as the door closes it does not scrape the frame, yet when the door is closed it produces a visible edge which is close to the frame. Using this analogy, I would conclude that the bevelled edge is the bottom one and the 90? edge is inserted first into the deeper slot in the top of the frame opening. In fact, one of these grills can physically only be =0 Ainserted in this orientation. The resulting orientation of the "urn" is at the top of the grill, opening down. I have an Amberola 1A (sn 16xx) which has a narrow tongue along both top and bottom edges. The longer tongue must be inserted into the top of the frame opening first because of the geometry of the frame which once again forces the grill to be oriented with the urn at the top, opening down. It will not fit in the other orientation. On the other hand, my Amberola 1B (sn 39xx), while having the same bevelled edge along one side only as do the A250's, must be inserted so that the urn orientation is on the bottom, opening up. Has anyone else similarly observed this in their own machines? Is the orientation of the urn indeed different in earlier machines from those later on, or was it random despite what is generally seen in photos, or were my machines just manufactured on a Friday afternoon? I would appreciate your comments since I have a walnut 1A which needs to have a grill installed in the existing grill frame and I have the choice of which way to install it. Cheers, Don _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lherault at bu.edu Thu Sep 25 06:01:48 2008 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:01:48 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002101c91f0e$df21b060$d9d4299b@ad.bu.edu> He's a huge devotee. Ron -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:03 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... actually it makes him either a huge devotee...or a crackpot. On Sep 24, 2008, at 6:55 PM, C5fan at aol.com wrote: > I believe he bought the name and the rights years ago just like the > company > in India that bought the name and rights to the HMV's that we call > crapophones. That is why he has made this claim and I guess it does > make him the > successor. . > > > In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:10:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > john9ten at pacbell.net writes: > > Sounds like a shady guy. The one thing I never liked about his > business is > that he claimed to be successor to the original Edison Phonograph > Works...to > me that is just plain dishonest. > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Pisano wrote: > > From: John Pisano > Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:49 PM > > I met Shawn Borri at the MME show in New Jersey a few years back. > I traded > him and his partner a shaving machine in exchange for eight > cylinders. I > received two cylinders at the show and he was going to make the > rest when he > got home. I gave him the shaver at the show. This was several > years ago. > I never did receive the cylinders. I have e-mailed him several > times since > and he has e-mailed me back stating he would send the cylinders as > recently > as a year ago. I have never received them and have since given up. > Obviously I would not do business with him again. > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and > information, tips and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/? > NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9ten at pacbell.net Thu Sep 25 07:06:41 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... In-Reply-To: <000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> Message-ID: <592124.75383.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Since I believe the Edison Phonograph Works was superceded by the National Phonograph Company, he could not have bought the name. I don't believe the HMV name was purchased by Indiands either as there are so many makers producing 'HMV' crapophones. --- On Wed, 9/24/08, wilenzick at bellsouth.net wrote: From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 7:28 PM I really doubt that anyone could currently buy the name and rights of the Edison Phonograph Works, just as I doubt that anybody in India bought the name and rights to the HMV company to make crapophones. Am I right or not? Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... >I believe he bought the name and the rights years ago just like the >company > in India that bought the name and rights to the HMV's that we call > crapophones. That is why he has made this claim and I guess it does make > him the > successor. . > > > In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:10:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > john9ten at pacbell.net writes: > > Sounds like a shady guy. The one thing I never liked about his business > is > that he claimed to be successor to the original Edison Phonograph > Works...to > me that is just plain dishonest. > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Pisano wrote: > > From: John Pisano > Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:49 PM > > I met Shawn Borri at the MME show in New Jersey a few years back. I > traded > him and his partner a shaving machine in exchange for eight cylinders. I > received two cylinders at the show and he was going to make the rest when > he > got home. I gave him the shaver at the show. This was several years > ago. > I never did receive the cylinders. I have e-mailed him several times > since > and he has e-mailed me back stating he would send the cylinders as > recently > as a year ago. I have never received them and have since given up. > Obviously I would not do business with him again. > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From steve_noreen at msn.com Thu Sep 25 08:49:29 2008 From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:49:29 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders... In-Reply-To: <000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> References: <000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> Message-ID: I believe a Chinese company owns the rights to HMV. Oliver Berliner would not say exactly who it was. > From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:28:48 -0400> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders...> > I really doubt that anyone could currently buy the name and rights of the > Edison Phonograph Works, just as I doubt that anybody in India bought the > name and rights to the HMV company to make crapophones. Am I right or not?> > Ray> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:55 PM> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders...> > > >I believe he bought the name and the rights years ago just like the > >company> > in India that bought the name and rights to the HMV's that we call> > crapophones. That is why he has made this claim and I guess it does make > > him the> > successor. .> >> >> > In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:10:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> > john9ten at pacbell.net writes:> >> > Sounds like a shady guy. The one thing I never liked about his business > > is> > that he claimed to be successor to the original Edison Phonograph > > Works...to> > me that is just plain dishonest.> >> > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Pisano wrote:> >> > From: John Pisano > > Subject: [Phono-L] Borri Cylinders...> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org> > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:49 PM> >> > I met Shawn Borri at the MME show in New Jersey a few years back. I > > traded> > him and his partner a shaving machine in exchange for eight cylinders. I> > received two cylinders at the show and he was going to make the rest when > > he> > got home. I gave him the shaver at the show. This was several years > > ago.> > I never did receive the cylinders. I have e-mailed him several times > > since> > and he has e-mailed me back stating he would send the cylinders as > > recently> > as a year ago. I have never received them and have since given up.> > Obviously I would not do business with him again.> >> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> >> >> >> >> > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial> > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > > and> > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > > > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From nipper at dataex.com Thu Sep 25 12:28:38 2008 From: nipper at dataex.com (Robin Rolfs) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:28:38 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Rights to HMV References: <000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> Message-ID: <1C1490896A97492A8C3E5D66CFD7C36A@owner094cc0223> Greetings, We recently wrote a book on Nipper Collectibles and the history of the Nipper Trademark, which we hope every collector has added to their library. In short, Nipper and the "His Master's Voice" along with RCA, once the most powerful trademarks in the world have dissipated into the foreign graveyard of cast-off and near forgotten trademarks. Here are our summarized findings: "RCA" is nothing more than a trademark. Once acquired by General Electric in 1986, it RCA Records to Bertelsmann A.G. A year later, both RCA and GE Consumer Electronics businesses were sold to the French firm, Thomson SA, while GE retained RCA's NBC broadcasting interests. In 1988, Thomson Consumer Electronics was formed and later renamed Thomson Multimedia in 1995, and in 2002 was again renamed Thomson SA. Thomson bought the "His Master's Voice" trademark from GE in 2003 and transferred it to RCA Trademark Management SA in France. One year later, Thomson entered into a joint venture with TCL Corporation, a large electronics manufacturing company in southern China. TCL has acquired all the manufacturing rights to RCA brand televisions. The last of the Thomson line of RCA consumer electronics was recently purchased by Audiovox. Meanwhile, RCA Records is now part of Sony BMG Music Group. RCA Laboratories has been transferred to SRI International and renamed Sarnoff Corporation. RCA Aerospace & Defense combined with GE Aerospace, only to be sold to Martin Marietta in 1993 which soon merged with Lockheed Corporation. In the spring of 1997, Lockheed Martin Communications Systems, Camden, NJ was renamed L-3 Communication Corp. England still retains the rights to use the trademark logo and name for their "HMV" stores. China, who indirectly obtained the logo from the U.S. through Thomson can only use it on products sold in China. Likewise, in Japan, JVC founded in 1927 as "The Victor Company of Japan," now owned by Matsushita, can use the HMV logo only on products sold in Japan. Because of territorial licensing, Nipper can no longer be used as a tool in the global marketing and identification of a product. Since the trademark can legitimately only be used only for products sold in the country of origin, it is doubtful that it will ever show up on products intended to be sold internationally. Since no single entity "owns" the trademark, its use for other purposes (collectibles, nick-knacks, T-shirts, crap-o-phones) goes unchallenged. Robin & Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com From rich-mail at octoxol.com Thu Sep 25 12:56:19 2008 From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:56:19 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Rights to HMV In-Reply-To: <1C1490896A97492A8C3E5D66CFD7C36A@owner094cc0223> References: <000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> <1C1490896A97492A8C3E5D66CFD7C36A@owner094cc0223> Message-ID: <48DBECE3.5060904@octoxol.com> If the specific graphic art(trademark) is not renewed every 5 years with the US government it becomes available for use by anyone until someone comes up with the registration fee. This is country specific and not a world wide license for a trademark unless there is a reciprocity treaty with an other country. In other words, Kimberly-Clark Worldwide, Inc has to come up with a couple of $$ for the worlds supply of petty bureaucrats every 5 years(for the US, other countries may be different) to maintain control over the use of the word Kleenex. Robin Rolfs wrote: > Greetings, > > We recently wrote a book on Nipper Collectibles and the history of the > Nipper Trademark, which we hope every collector has added to their library. > In short, Nipper and the "His Master's Voice" along with RCA, once the most > powerful trademarks in the world have dissipated into the foreign graveyard > of cast-off and near forgotten trademarks. Here are our summarized > findings: > > "RCA" is nothing more than a trademark. Once acquired by General Electric > in 1986, it RCA Records to Bertelsmann A.G. A year later, both RCA and GE > Consumer Electronics businesses were sold to the French firm, Thomson SA, > while GE retained RCA's NBC broadcasting interests. In 1988, Thomson > Consumer Electronics was formed and later renamed Thomson Multimedia in > 1995, and in 2002 was again renamed Thomson SA. Thomson bought the "His > Master's Voice" trademark from GE in 2003 and transferred it to RCA > Trademark Management SA in France. One year later, Thomson entered into a > joint venture with TCL Corporation, a large electronics manufacturing > company in southern China. TCL has acquired all the manufacturing rights to > RCA brand televisions. The last of the Thomson line of RCA consumer > electronics was recently purchased by Audiovox. Meanwhile, RCA Records is > now part of Sony BMG Music Group. RCA Laboratories has been transferred to > SRI International and renamed Sarnoff Corporation. RCA Aerospace & Defense > combined with GE Aerospace, only to be sold to Martin Marietta in 1993 which > soon merged with Lockheed Corporation. In the spring of 1997, Lockheed > Martin Communications Systems, Camden, NJ was renamed L-3 Communication > Corp. > > England still retains the rights to use the trademark logo and name for > their "HMV" stores. China, who indirectly obtained the logo from the U.S. > through Thomson can only use it on products sold in China. Likewise, in > Japan, JVC founded in 1927 as "The Victor Company of Japan," now owned by > Matsushita, can use the HMV logo only on products sold in Japan. Because of > territorial licensing, Nipper can no longer be used as a tool in the global > marketing and identification of a product. Since the trademark can > legitimately only be used only for products sold in the country of origin, > it is doubtful that it will ever show up on products intended to be sold > internationally. Since no single entity "owns" the trademark, its use for > other purposes (collectibles, nick-knacks, T-shirts, crap-o-phones) goes > unchallenged. > > Robin & Joan Rolfs > Visit us at: > www.audioantique.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From john9ten at pacbell.net Thu Sep 25 13:24:23 2008 From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Rights to HMV In-Reply-To: <1C1490896A97492A8C3E5D66CFD7C36A@owner094cc0223> Message-ID: <228245.27771.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, Robin, for that fascinating information. What a convoluted history the logo has! Thanks for your wonderful book too! --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Robin Rolfs wrote: From: Robin Rolfs Subject: [Phono-L] Rights to HMV To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 12:28 PM Greetings, We recently wrote a book on Nipper Collectibles and the history of the Nipper Trademark, which we hope every collector has added to their library. In short, Nipper and the "His Master's Voice" along with RCA, once the most powerful trademarks in the world have dissipated into the foreign graveyard of cast-off and near forgotten trademarks. Here are our summarized findings: "RCA" is nothing more than a trademark. Once acquired by General Electric in 1986, it RCA Records to Bertelsmann A.G. A year later, both RCA and GE Consumer Electronics businesses were sold to the French firm, Thomson SA, while GE retained RCA's NBC broadcasting interests. In 1988, Thomson Consumer Electronics was formed and later renamed Thomson Multimedia in 1995, and in 2002 was again renamed Thomson SA. Thomson bought the "His Master's Voice" trademark from GE in 2003 and transferred it to RCA Trademark Management SA in France. One year later, Thomson entered into a joint venture with TCL Corporation, a large electronics manufacturing company in southern China. TCL has acquired all the manufacturing rights to RCA brand televisions. The last of the Thomson line of RCA consumer electronics was recently purchased by Audiovox. Meanwhile, RCA Records is now part of Sony BMG Music Group. RCA Laboratories has been transferred to SRI International and renamed Sarnoff Corporation. RCA Aerospace & Defense combined with GE Aerospace, only to be sold to Martin Marietta in 1993 which soon merged with Lockheed Corporation. In the spring of 1997, Lockheed Martin Communications Systems, Camden, NJ was renamed L-3 Communication Corp. England still retains the rights to use the trademark logo and name for their "HMV" stores. China, who indirectly obtained the logo from the U.S. through Thomson can only use it on products sold in China. Likewise, in Japan, JVC founded in 1927 as "The Victor Company of Japan," now owned by Matsushita, can use the HMV logo only on products sold in Japan. Because of territorial licensing, Nipper can no longer be used as a tool in the global marketing and identification of a product. Since the trademark can legitimately only be used only for products sold in the country of origin, it is doubtful that it will ever show up on products intended to be sold internationally. Since no single entity "owns" the trademark, its use for other purposes (collectibles, nick-knacks, T-shirts, crap-o-phones) goes unchallenged. Robin & Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From ger55 at comcast.net Thu Sep 25 13:52:53 2008 From: ger55 at comcast.net (ger55 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:52:53 +0000 Subject: [Phono-L] should I get Pay Pal? Message-ID: <092520082052.25368.48DBFA25000451C8000063182200761394CACA9D0A09@comcast.net> Hi, I have one paypal account which I use strictly for buying whenever anyone absolutely requires it. I got a new credit card to use with it, and it has a low credit amount associated with it...I did this intentionally, lest someone hack into the account. Also: I had a problem with an ebay seller, and paypal did little to resolve the problem, ultimately sending me to my credit card company! Your own credit card company is more likely to be "on your side" with problems anyway. So, personally, if I can, I use a credit card directly rather than paypal to buy something. I've also considered taking paypal for payment, but there is no free account for multiple transactions. AND they hang on to your money, yet expect you to ship out the item immediately. If your buyer is a bum, you can get raked bigtime, because paypal does not want to let go of the money. There's no question that paypal is here to stay, but as I said, I use it sparingly. JMHO Ger -------------- Original message -------------- From: David Dazer > I never got a Pay Pal account because most ebay sellers would take a check or > money order. Over the years, I have heard of many problems with Pay Pal. Have > those issues been resolved? Those of you who use Pay Pal, do you like it? > Any advice in this matter is appreciated. I do sell some non-phono related > items once in a while on Ebay, but I am not sure it is worth the risk of using > Pay Pal. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From donmayer at shaw.ca Thu Sep 25 13:57:50 2008 From: donmayer at shaw.ca (Don Mayer) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:57:50 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison rococo grill orientation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DA43D31-AF84-4FFF-AAD3-B27251CEC407@shaw.ca> > My 1As and 1B has the urn in the lower half as is seen on the Edison > catalogues of the era. The catalogues I have for each year do not > show the urn on top > upside down in any depiction. - Al > I have observed a few Edison cabinets with the urn "upside-down," > particularly on the Herzog-style cabinets.? (As you know, some of > these were re-worked by Pooley and the rococo grilles substituted > for the lyre grilles.)? There is definitely some inconsistency, but > if I were choosing an orientation as you are, I'd stick with the > conventional configuration. - George Thank you Al and George (and anyone else who has replied - my digest version may be a little behind). I had another collector write to say that he has a 1A grill which is down while another 1A and an A250 are both up. I believe I will likely go with George's advice on grill orientation, but the presence of both orientations in such numbers implies to me that both variations existed originally. This seems a little counterintuitive and I would like to hear if any period photos show this grill in "urn at top opening down" orientation. Again, thanks for your comments, Don From antqflea at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 10:40:33 2008 From: antqflea at yahoo.com (brice paris) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC FOR SALE Message-ID: <97254.40646.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Loran Please post the following: ?I have recently come into possession to sell for another a Columbia BC. I have never owned one and do not know much about them. This machine appears to be all original , and seems to play very well which I believe is a big plus for these machines. It comes with an aluminum 14" horn that has been nicely modified by someone to fit the reproducer. The condition is not perfect and is certainly restorable if you wanted to do so, but personally, I would probably leave it as is since it is very presentable. I am not up on the market for this machine, but I believe from what I have seen in the past that his asking price is reasonable at $1400. He believes it is worth around $2000 and really wants to put it on ebay, but I convinced him to let me offer it to the list in hopes of a quick sale. I doubt that he will take less, but I will present any offers. If you want additional information or want to purchase this machine please contact me off list @ antqflea at yahoo.comor call 530 945 2221 Thanks brice From cenfin at comcast.net Sun Sep 28 12:01:52 2008 From: cenfin at comcast.net (Albert) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:01:52 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC FOR SALE References: <97254.40646.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Brice, I agree. Two years ago I bought an extremely nice BC from the Oliphants at Union. It came from the Jim Kenealy collection. It had the original large green flowered horn with floor crane. I paid $1200. so I think $1400. to $2000. is probably right. I have no Idea how much it will cost to restore those very complicated reproducers, or even who know how to do them right. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "brice paris" To: Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC FOR SALE Loran Please post the following: I have recently come into possession to sell for another a Columbia BC. I have never owned one and do not know much about them. This machine appears to be all original , and seems to play very well which I believe is a big plus for these machines. It comes with an aluminum 14" horn that has been nicely modified by someone to fit the reproducer. The condition is not perfect and is certainly restorable if you wanted to do so, but personally, I would probably leave it as is since it is very presentable. I am not up on the market for this machine, but I believe from what I have seen in the past that his asking price is reasonable at $1400. He believes it is worth around $2000 and really wants to put it on ebay, but I convinced him to let me offer it to the list in hopes of a quick sale. I doubt that he will take less, but I will present any offers. If you want additional information or want to purchase this machine please contact me off list @ antqflea at yahoo.comor call 530 945 2221 Thanks brice _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM From wilenzick at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 28 12:21:08 2008 From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (wilenzick at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:21:08 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC FOR SALE References: <97254.40646.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c9219f$5d20ff10$6401a8c0@Wilenzick> You did well getting the nice BC with original large horn at that price. I have seen them offered for much more with good sounding reproducer and original horn, but $1400 would be reasonable for one without the horn but with a working reproducer. A cut-down 14" aluminum horn is definitely wrong. As previously stated on this forum, Paul Baker is probably the only person that knows how to rebuild the reproducer properly. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BC FOR SALE > Brice, I agree. Two years ago I bought an extremely nice BC from the > Oliphants at Union. It came from the Jim Kenealy collection. It had the > original large green flowered horn with floor crane. I paid $1200. so I > think $1400. to $2000. is probably right. I have no Idea how much it > will > cost to restore those very complicated reproducers, or even who know how > to > do them right. Al > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brice paris" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:40 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BC FOR SALE > > > Loran Please post the following: > I have recently come into possession to sell for another a Columbia BC. I > have never owned one and do not know much about them. This machine appears > to be all original , and seems to play very well which I believe is a big > plus for these machines. It comes with an aluminum 14" horn that has been > nicely modified by someone to fit the reproducer. The condition is not > perfect and is certainly restorable if you wanted to do so, but > personally, > I would probably leave it as is since it is very presentable. I am not up > on > the market for this machine, but I believe from what I have seen in the > past > that his asking price is reasonable at $1400. He believes it is worth > around > $2000 and really wants to put it on ebay, but I convinced him to let me > offer it to the list in hopes of a quick sale. I doubt that he will take > less, but I will present any offers. If you want additional information or > want to purchase this machine please contact me off list @ > antqflea at yahoo.comor call 530 945 2221 Thanks brice > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 > 4:55 PM > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From waykos at shaw.ca Sun Sep 28 21:51:34 2008 From: waykos at shaw.ca (wayne) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:51:34 -0700 Subject: [Phono-L] Johnson "New century" reproducer Message-ID: If you have a Johnson/Victor A,B,C,or D toy and want the correct reproducer wiyh low #.I'm willing to trade it plus cash for a clean "J" # not important.Please contact Wayne off line at waykos at shaw.ca From RCowen at sciencenews.org Mon Sep 29 09:46:01 2008 From: RCowen at sciencenews.org (Ron Cowen) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:46:01 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] neat story, with audio, on Taft-Bryan recordings of 100 years ago Message-ID: <9DF641A65BBD4C4A83DE916594B788F102427848@Mercury.sciserv.org> also great images. image gallery has audio link to one Taft and Bryan cylinder recording. http://sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/36947/title/The_first_sound_bites From deedeeblais at yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 15:02:33 2008 From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Nipper still available. Please call! Message-ID: <459565.41799.qm@web37001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A few days ago, I posted a little 6' flocked Nipper bank for sale. I received a call on my cell while traveling and asked the person to send me an email. I don't know if my spam filter weeded it out but I never received a note. Please try again. Thanks, Jerry B. / 541-990-0781 or 541-926-2843. From deedeeblais at yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 20:18:32 2008 From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Phono-L] Swell Stuff for Sale Message-ID: <264896.91946.qm@web37002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am selling the following: Edison "R" reproducer with original box. This unusual reproducer has a serial number of 3103 and it plays fine. The price is $250 plus postage. Large plush Nipper. This Nipper stands 22" tall and has a "RCA Nipper" collar. He is in like new condition and the price is $35 plus shipping. Smaller plush Nipper. This plush Nipper stands 11" tall and has a "RCA Chipper" collar. He is also in excellent condition and the price is $10 plus shipping. Edison "H" reproducer. This is a nice original reproducer and the price is $110 plus postage. If you have interest or questions, please contact me off list or give me a call at 541-990-0781.