In a message dated 3/22/2008 7:49:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mfkhanchalian at altrionet.com writes: were put in boxes which did NOT say Federal but instead said 'Everlasting Indestructible' Cylinder Record and were colored either green for 2 minute cyls or red for 4-minute cyls. =========== as Mike says, the complete picture is a little more complicated. I have, e.g., an old style Indestructible box and cylinder with a "Federal" Mailing label pasted on the outside. The trademark for Federal occurred in 1917, if I recall. Some of these Ind's also have 'Federal' in the name of the group performing. Those red and green Everlasting Indestructible boxes, with no obvious parentage or addresses are tricky. Do they date from the period when Columbia gave up its exclusive distribution contract with Albany Ind (1912-1914)? Or do they date from ca 1914-1917, when M-W gave up on the US Everlastings? Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)