As a short introduction, we live in Western Canada in a tiny house stuffed to the gunnels with cylinder and disc machines and a couple of cats (they make good dusters)! There are a few members on this list that we know who will attest to that fact..horns hanging from every corner, shelves lining the walls that sort of thing. When I say "we" have joined, you will only see me (Jan) posting anything as the other half of this team protests explicitly (that's a language style) about stupid computers and why don't they work ( meaning, I think it should do this so why doesn't it) whenever he sits himself in front the confounded thing (not the same word he uses). Jan Horne