Hello everyone----- Further regarding he United and other Chicago brands. The Fabrizio/Paul books contain all the information I've learned from the past 37 years of studying these companies, which includes the keys to their true identities (Standard/Harmony/United were essentially the same firm after 1911, etc. etc.). The best descriptions can be found in The Talking Machine, an Illustrated Compendium, and Discovering Antique Phonographs, but information about the co.s is scattered throughout the 7 volumes. If you don't own copies, check the library, many have at least a couple of the books in their stacks. I also have written quite a few articles on the Chicago machines, commencing in he early 1970s, but these could prove much harder to locate, since some of the publications were of quite limited scope. Since I seem to be hung up on a note of unbridled conceit and shameless self-promotion----- I'd like to remind fellow L-ers about the new Fabrizio/Paul book that is due out in June--- A WORLD OF ANTIQUE PHONOGRAPHS. Like the others, it does contain (in addition to much else) a few tidbits about the Chicago machines. I am running and George is running a "special introductory price offer" -- so please go to my Web site _www.phonophan.com_ (http://www.phonophan.com) if interested, or e-mail me at _phonophan at aol.com_ (mailto:phonophan at aol.com) or George at _GPaul2000 at aol.com_ (mailto:GPaul2000 at aol.com) . Best to all------------ Tim Fabrizio phonophan PO Box 747 Henrietta, NY 14467 TEL 585 582 1586 FAX 585 582 2624 Web site: www.phonophan.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.