Sounds like the horn on the Vic II is marginal. I'd buy the big beautiful VV-XVII if it's in nice unrestored condition. Those upper end Victrolas sold in small numbers and it adds interest to a collection. The Vic II sold in huge numbers (for horn models) and it would have to be in really nice condition to be a keeper. The machines are quite different but equal in value so buy the one in the best condition. If they both need help buy my maroon Gem! Jer On the topic of hauling...if you need a bicycle moved, I'd recommend Brice. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com